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Why is god like this
Anonymous No.24836010 [Report] >>24836022
>>24836004 (OP)
I dunno. Why do you have to ask such retarded questions?
Anonymous No.24836022 [Report] >>24836026
>>24836010
t. bald
Anonymous No.24836026 [Report]
>>24836022
Enjoy being eaten by bears, faggot.
Anonymous No.24836108 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
give shit, get shit
Anonymous No.24836109 [Report] >>24836138 >>24836177 >>24836192 >>24836199 >>24836233 >>24836238 >>24836994 >>24838898 >>24839188 >>24839616 >>24841286 >>24843895 >>24843915 >>24843967 >>24844443 >>24846151 >>24847838
>>24836004 (OP)
Atheists act like this somehow invalidates God, but they don't have a problem with God destroying Sodom and Gommorah. They don't have a problem with God sending the Flood. They don't have a problem with God sending plagues upon Egypt. They don't have a problem with God sending Jonah to tell the people of Jehosaphat(?) that God will smite them. But this is the hill atheists are going to die one about the Old Testament God? Do atheists not even understand that the covenant between God and man changed with Jesus? The Old Testament God is a spiteful God who is angry that his creation is rebellious and won't respect the covenant established between Him and the Jewish people. The New Testament God is a redeemer, who has realized humans are rebellious and the only way to save them is through Jesus. Are atheists really this willfully ignorant?
Anonymous No.24836110 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
clearly those kids shouldn't have done that
Anonymous No.24836111 [Report] >>24836153 >>24836202 >>24836223 >>24839130
>>24836004 (OP)
Because the God of the Old Testament isn't the True God, but rather a spiteful lower entity. Christ came from the True God. The Hebrew Apostles didn't understand the distinction, and the Church Fathers were too low IQ to grasp it either.
Anonymous No.24836124 [Report] >>24836131
Isnt there some folklore that demons begin their treck out of hell to earth at "bald mountain"
What is it with baldness and evil?
Anonymous No.24836131 [Report] >>24836709
>>24836124
Hair repels the influence of the Devil. If you have a bald spot, the Devil can easily get inside your head.
Anonymous No.24836134 [Report] >>24836143
There should be a new christian bible that only contains a few foundational books like genesis and then the four gospels. Jesus is literally the only good part of that religion.
Anonymous No.24836138 [Report] >>24836148 >>24836166
>>24836109
you're getting upset at someone who lives exclusively inside your head
Anonymous No.24836143 [Report]
>>24836134
The first formalized canon of the Christian Bible completely omitted the entire Old Testament and only featured the Gospel of Luke and Paul's Epistles.
Anonymous No.24836148 [Report] >>24836154 >>24836175 >>24848177
>>24836138
No I'm not. In the real world atheists always try to get "gotcha" moments by grilling Christians about laws and teachings from the Old Testament. Christians don't live by that covenant anymore. Our pact is with Jesus. But I see this argument coming from atheists all the time. "Hurr the Bible says you should stone people!" "Hurr the Bible says you can beat your wife!" No. That is Jewish law. If that pisses you off, go get mad at Jews. Their covenant hasn't changed in 6,000 years.
Anonymous No.24836153 [Report] >>24836176
>>24836111
This. The Old Testament god is Yaldaboath. Anyone with half a brain who has actually read the bible understands this. There is no, and I mean no, reconciling the god of the old testament with the god of Jesus Christ. Jews worship a demon, but what else is new? Anyone I've seen that disagrees with me goes through the most fucking insane mental gymnastics.
Anonymous No.24836154 [Report] >>24836163 >>24836176
>>24836148
why do have it in your bible then? obviously you cant enact them in our morally superior world now are you awaiting a time when you can do that. newsflash it aint coming chief, the more people get educated the more your bed time stories die.
Anonymous No.24836163 [Report] >>24836196 >>24836209
>>24836154
>Why do you have that in your Bible then?
>this is coming from the same person who cries "HISTORY IS IMPORTANT! WE CAN'T FORGET HISTORY! IF WE FORGET OUR HISTORY WE WILL REGRESS!"
Wait, so history is important, except for when it comes to Christianity? Can you enlighten me on this position? Or is your position that history isn't important and we should forget history? I'm just confused as to what you are advocating for here. You do realize the Old Testament is included in The Bible is because it is part of Christian history! Should the United States forget about the period where slavery was legal? This is what you're advocating for. You're saying that if we continue to teach about slavery in the U.S. it's because " you awaiting a time when you can do that. newsflash it aint coming chief, the more people get educated the more your bed time stories die." Surely you realize this position is absurd?
Anonymous No.24836166 [Report]
>>24836138
me and my oneitis
Anonymous No.24836175 [Report] >>24837898
>>24836148
>immediately shifts to a completely different point
what i was saying is that atheists not having a problem with god's other OT atrocity is a made-up fantasy, and that the bears episode is obscure compared to god killing the entire world with a flood
now you're talking about jewish laws being invalid, which is farcical as well, given that no denomination can agree on which parts of mosaic law still apply and will in any case continue to cherrypick whichever OT verses make them feel good (you would understand this if you went to church)
Anonymous No.24836176 [Report] >>24836194 >>24836442 >>24837245 >>24839074 >>24839123 >>24839423
>>24836153
>>24836154
It's in the Bible because God incarnated within the Jews for mytho-historical reasons (backwater of the great European Empire at the time, crossroads of trade and commerce and travel, etc, and the Jews had a long history of prophets and future-seers) and Christ quoted from their own prophecies but refuted every step of the way via his miracles and ministries the Judaic Law.

The Apostles, being Jews who had grown up infused with this Law, didn't understand that Christ had not come from "their" God but rather the True God. They misinterpreted the message. The Church Fathers of the Early Church era were too low IQ and deluded, wrapped up in Roman rhetoric tactics of easy-wins and dunking on your enemy like an Internet Bloodsports debater, to see the truth as well.

Some (the Apostle Paul, Valentinus, Marcion, etc) tried to get the truth out, but they were limited in their understanding and hemmed every step of the way by dumb Judaizers and their descendants: the "orthodox" Christians (who are now the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and majority Protestants.)
Anonymous No.24836177 [Report] >>24836196 >>24844476
>>24836109
>but they don't have a problem with ... [list of things they definitely do have a problem with]
Do you know what a strawman is?
Hint: it's not a character in the Wizard of Oz.
Anonymous No.24836182 [Report] >>24836188 >>24836189 >>24836196 >>24837204
Here is some of the commentary on this verse.

For the athiest, nothing can be worse than death and so they, axiomatically assuming the truth of their position, see this as a great affront. But in fact God is correcting the iniquity of the wrongdoers and also stopping them from continuing to grow in iniquity and so mercifully saving them from their sins.
Anonymous No.24836188 [Report] >>24836197
>>24836182
This is retarded cope and exactly what Christ incarnated to stop. That "God" isn't the True God. Yahweh is a malevolent spirit tiers lower than the True God.
Anonymous No.24836189 [Report]
>>24836182
>god orders jews to kill innocent children
>uhhmm this is actually good chud, they deserved it and/or went to heaven anyways, you don't get it
Anonymous No.24836192 [Report] >>24836198
>>24836109
>Yeah man God just realised one day his approach wasn't working and decided that the only way forward was for him to have himself murdered as a sacrifice to himself so he be nicer to people now but also not really because eternal damnation is still in store for at least 50% of people
Anonymous No.24836194 [Report]
>>24836176
This sums it up pretty well. Fair play my man
Anonymous No.24836196 [Report] >>24836206
>>24836163
yes its part of your heritage, so why are you getting your pussy wet when people point out to your disgusting history kek. surely you realize there are more african christians by now than the educated people outside?
>>24836177
lmao i know right, why is thing mong doing a word salad of disingenuous arguing when we all have a problem with all those things.
>>24836182
nobody is scared of death here except the religious tards, they need heaven to feel special and not scared to die ahaha
Anonymous No.24836197 [Report] >>24836205
>>24836188
According to your heresy isn't death a release from the evil material world though?
Anonymous No.24836198 [Report] >>24836473
>>24836192
Yahweh didn't send Christ. Christ incarnated, the True God pouring Himself into the cup of Man, to liberate us, conquer the power of Death, and demonstrate to us that no sacrifices were necessary to commune with God (nor adherence to arcane laws.) His Incarnation was, specifically, to dispense with the old and tired formula which no longer worked and had become corrupted by malevolent spirits like Yahweh and the Roman Gods. He demonstrated that we have God on speed dial, all the time.

The subtext/implications of the ritual sacrifice of the Cross are lost on modern man where this sort of thing doesn't happen anymore. But for Ancients? That's how they "talked" to God. For the Jews, Christ dispels all of their Laws via miracles (showing that their autistic fixation was actually limiting their ability to truly be in unison with God's will.)

It's unfortunate few of the Apostles understood the significance of the Logos Made Flesh.
Anonymous No.24836199 [Report] >>24836541 >>24843915
>>24836109
If God is so great and perfect why did he suddenly change his mind and entire personality halfway through the Roman empire for no apparent reason? Is he a schizophrenic?
Anonymous No.24836202 [Report] >>24836208
>>24836111
Nice head canon
Anonymous No.24836205 [Report]
>>24836197
The later Gnostics of the Sethian cult and other life-denying movements were inspired by Jewish esotericism that pre-dated Christianity and were thus intertwined with an inherent Jewish view of the Material World. The Material World isn't "evil." It simply IS. Christ's Incarnation can be fully understood when one considers the Hellenic Philosophy of which He brought to full understanding and fulfillment (see: John referring to Christ as the Logos)

If anything the "orthodox" Christian view integrated this view of the Material World with Augustinian theology that they have to post on 4chan and cope about "heresies" to deflect from this.
Anonymous No.24836206 [Report] >>24836237
>>24836196
>NOOO YOU CANT LIVE BY THE NEW TESTAMENT AS A CHRISTIAN
>YOU MUST LIVE BY THE OLD TESTAMENT BECAUSE I SAID SO
Anonymous No.24836208 [Report]
>>24836202
You're coping. How does your "True God" change his mind? He does this WITHIN the Old Testament multiple times alone, even putting aside the fact that Christ overturns his irrevocable law code that he only bothered to impose on one people.
Anonymous No.24836209 [Report]
>>24836163
>You do realize the Old Testament is included in The Bible is because it is part of Christian history!
By keeping it in you are giving it validity. You are saying "we believe this." if you don't believe it, it should be removed. And placed in a christian history book if it is so important to you.

>this is coming from the same person
you are generating imaginary people again
Anonymous No.24836223 [Report] >>24836229
>>24836111
yes this is him inquisitor
Anonymous No.24836229 [Report]
>>24836223
>yes this is him inquisitor
Get behind me, Satan.
Anonymous No.24836233 [Report] >>24836256
>>24836109
> but they don't have a problem with God destroying Sodom and Gommorah. They don't have a problem with God sending the Flood.
You must be the dumbest christnigger on this board. The bear one is popular only because it’s so fucking absurd there’s not even an attempt at a theological defense by the literalist cretins. Of course most of them never read the Bible either so only encounter these problems because someone else brings it up.
Anonymous No.24836237 [Report] >>24836412 >>24844468
>>24836206
kek get replaced by african christians silly clown. not taking your shrinking influence of your pedo churches and bigoted dogma well i see ahaha
Anonymous No.24836238 [Report] >>24836254 >>24836255
>>24836109
You really triggered the neckbeards with this post. Good job my brother in Christ.
Anonymous No.24836254 [Report]
>>24836238
I couldn’t care one way or the other. I find the idea that a bald man could get God to punish his bullies to be fucking hilarious.
Anonymous No.24836255 [Report] >>24836299
>>24836238
he bore false witness
Anonymous No.24836256 [Report] >>24836457
>>24836233
Look dude, it was a time of chaos and weak government for the Israelites, so lions and bears wandered the countryside. When a random person involved in the history died to them people found some past impiety and assumed that was the cause, which it very well could have been. If Dave got mauled by a Lion and you know Dave swore yesterday you, as a bronze age Israelite, would rightly assume he was punished for swearing.

Also to my understanding it was young men, not children.

Stuff like this is only a problem for folk-sola-scriptura literalists.
Anonymous No.24836299 [Report] >>24836457
>>24836255
It's now false witness to say the New Testament did away with the covenant from the Old Testament? Wow, thanks for enlightening me on how Christianity works, Mr. Atheist!
Anonymous No.24836303 [Report]
christ isn't sending his best
Anonymous No.24836406 [Report]
lol bald people
Anonymous No.24836412 [Report] >>24836436
>>24836237
>bigoted dogma
homosexual detected.
Anonymous No.24836436 [Report] >>24836454
>>24836412
What are you going to do about it? Lapidate me? I thought Christ welcomes all?
Anonymous No.24836442 [Report]
>>24836176
excellent post
Anonymous No.24836454 [Report] >>24836457 >>24836699
>>24836436
lol I knew it. nobody cares about Christianity being "bigoted" except fags and blacks seething about slavery.
anyways, you can live your life, I have no intention to change your mind, if it can even be changed. I just wanted to show that the loudest critics of Christianity on this board have deeply personal hangups and need to get over themselves because nobody's stopping them (you) from your 'lifestyle' except your own discomfort of being judged by others (which you have no control over anyways).
Anonymous No.24836457 [Report] >>24836478 >>24836523 >>24836654
>>24836256
>>24836299
>>24836454
You still don't get it that Yahweh did not send Christ, but rather the True God. You might not look towards the Old Testament but the tradition of "orthodoxy" (regardless if you're Catholic, EO, or Protestant) is intertwined with the implicit understanding that Yahweh is the True God. He is not. Christ came to show us the path to the True God.
Anonymous No.24836459 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
blessed are the meek (bald, middle aged, attracted to children)
Anonymous No.24836473 [Report] >>24836493
>>24836198
What are some texts you would recommend reading? Do you give the green light to all four gospels? What other texts that are presumably absent from the New Testament do you see as truthful?
Anonymous No.24836478 [Report] >>24836499
>>24836457
I'm not trying to be critical but I would like to know how you reconcile things such as Moses and Elijah, definite prophets of Yahweh, appearing at the Transfiguration and how Jesus' name literally means Yahweh Saves
Anonymous No.24836493 [Report]
>>24836473
I'd recommend reading the Gospels and the Letters of Paul with a critical and open mind. The only Gospel I'm not really 100% on is Matthew, because it was obviously written for the Torah-observant Judaizers led by Peter and James. The thing you have to understand, though, is that these aren't infallible accounts. They are, more or less, compilations of eyewitness accounts of a particularly important mytho-historical event (maybe THE most important one.)

I'm partial to the Gospels of Thomas and Mary, but I'm skeptical of the more obvious pseudepigraphical Gnostic texts from later in the 2nd century. They were, in my view, wrong and myopic in their desire to reject the material world and see Christ as a purely spiritual entity. It undermines the understanding of the Crucifixion and Resurrection.

I would recommend you read into the writings of Plotinus and Porphyry to understand the True God that Christ points us towards.You have to keep an open mind here and realize that Christ's Incarnation wasn't "just" the fulfillment of the predictions of Hebrew future-seers, but also and (maybe more importantly, for us anyway) the entire breadth of Graeco-Roman philosophy and religion.
Anonymous No.24836499 [Report] >>24836519
>>24836478
>The Transfiguration
Either never happened or did not happen the way they remembered it. John's Gospel does not feature this, even though John (the eyewitness to whom the Gospel was dictated from) was there and witnessed it. You can't square that circle.
>Jesus' name literally means Yahweh Saves
Yeshua means 'He saves.' Not Yahweh Saves. He, as in, "this individual.' This is supported Biblically by the Angel Gabriel who tells Joseph that Jesus will save Man.
Anonymous No.24836519 [Report] >>24836527
>>24836499
>Either never happened or did not happen the way they remembered it
How can it be then that it is featured in all three synoptics?
Anonymous No.24836523 [Report] >>24836527
>>24836457
Okay Marcionist
Anonymous No.24836527 [Report]
>>24836519
Then why isn't it in the one Gospel which explicitly claims to be sourced from the ONE guy that would've been there? Either it did not happen, or it happened but not in the way that the people to whom the Gospel writers got their narrative from understood it.
>>24836523
Okay, and? The "orthodoxy" got their canon from Marcion. You only use Paul's epistles because he put them in the canon.
Anonymous No.24836535 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)

2 Kings 2:23-25

> Elisha went from that city to Bethel. He was walking up the hill to the city, and some boys were coming down out of the city. They began making fun of him. They said, “Go away, you bald-headed man! Go away, you bald-headed man!”

> Elisha looked back and saw them. He asked the Lord to cause bad things to happen to them. Then two bears came out of the forest and attacked the boys. There were 42 boys ripped apart by the bears.
Anonymous No.24836541 [Report]
>>24836199
He has three personas
Anonymous No.24836654 [Report] >>24836666
>>24836457
Who created the Heavens and the Earth, the Sun and Moon, plants and animals, and mankind in Genesis? The Old Testament says it is YHWH. How do you square this with your cope? It sounds like you're just sayin "bad things in OT are not True God but good things in OT are True God" which is just pure cope to ignore parts of the OT.
Anonymous No.24836666 [Report] >>24836676 >>24836739
>>24836654
Yahweh didn't. It was created by the True God. Yahweh is a lower spirit which grew to prominence via the henotheism of the Israelites during the Bronze Age. The prophecies of the future-seers of the Jewish people are valid, as they understood (vaguely, through their tradition as a coloring lens) the coming of the Christ, but the overall Tradition is too mired within the negative influence of Yahweh to be of any use whatsoever.

You're seeing the OT and NT as being some unified document. They're not. At best the OT is the religious understanding of Israelites held captive by an evil spirit.
Anonymous No.24836676 [Report] >>24836681
>>24836666
>Yahweh
They say he is the Demiurge
Anonymous No.24836681 [Report]
>>24836676
The Sethians and other later 2nd and 3rd century Gnostics were wrong. Evil cannot create anything. It can only warp, manipulate, and destroy. This is understood by all philosophies except their own schizophrenic framework which is even more convoluted than the "orthodox."
Anonymous No.24836699 [Report]
>>24836454
kek you certainly got us man. inshallah your children will be molested by a priest
Anonymous No.24836709 [Report] >>24836723
>>24836131
It's the other way around, the devil can hide and fester inside a full head of hair. A gloriously shining dome will repel him with the sharp glare of God.
Anonymous No.24836723 [Report]
>>24836709
Hmmm, this must be why monks were tonsured.
Anonymous No.24836739 [Report] >>24836750 >>24836859
>>24836666
>At best the OT is the religious understanding of Israelites held captive by an evil spirit.

So get rid of it. Strange how little this has even been considered in the history of your religion if we‘re to believe your take before the centuries of christoids who treat it as the 80% of biblical canon it seems to be.
Anonymous No.24836750 [Report] >>24836940
>>24836739
>So get rid of it.
For my own personal practice, I have.
>believe your take before the centuries of christoids who treat it as the 80% of biblical canon it seems to be.
For those who have ears, let them hear. It's not my fault that for generations Christian theologians were so myopic to lose sight of what was right in front of them. The Apostles didn't comprehend the Incarnation and they were right there. If you read the New Testament, what I am saying is proven true.

The "centuries of Christoids" were deluded and too caught up in Judaizing mind games and locked in to a purity spiral. There were many Christians who professed what I am saying today, but they were silenced, sidelined, and sometimes even killed for it.
Anonymous No.24836859 [Report]
>>24836739
Get rid of teaching about slavery in US history then.
Anonymous No.24836940 [Report] >>24836984
>>24836750
>For those who have ears, let them hear
All gnostics and Marcionists will quote this verse until the day of wrath because they use it as a way to say everyone who agrees with their incoherent arguments has magic ears and everyone else does not. It’s an ego-shield that is not an argument.
Anonymous No.24836984 [Report]
>>24836940
You, like all the "orthodox" "Church Fathers" to whom you'll look to for exegesis, have no argument. I've presented my argument this whole thread. Enough Early Christians believed as I do that Irenaeus (after his whole community, except him somehow [don't question that part!], got fed to lions no less) wrote a massive treatise against Marcion and others. Some of them were wrong, and on the wrong track, but the Church Fathers were myopic and were unto themselves Judaizers because they claimed succession from Peter, who had never recanted of his Judaizing tendencies and led the Church astray on that.
Anonymous No.24836994 [Report]
>>24836109
based off of a secondary redaction around 800, based off a primary redaction probably around 1000. They’re local folk myths from a time before YHWH lost his wife (his sister btw) and before Jerusalem cult worship lost divine incest, divine women and unic temple prostitutes.

We can reconstruct YHWH worship circa 1500:

YHWH is a male cow god who loves blood and first born human male children sacrifices. YHWH is married to his Divine Sister Asherah. YHWH loves BBQs, Blood BBQs, human sacrifice, traps (see the unics). YHWH *tolerates* sheep and goat BBQ, and barely tolerates chicken BBQ. YOU DON’T MAKE FRIENDS WITH SALAD. In fact, if you bring salad, sacrifice your first born brother to me. Priests don’t exist at these BBQs yet: priests haven’t captured the divine right to sacrifice, the male head of household sacrifices to YHWH ontop of the hill, next to Asherah’s tree, at the big BBQ before he fucks the traps.

So you turn up with your cows at your new city, and sure she’s your wife…but she’s your wife because she’s your sister. Because you are the divine king head of household and you act as YHWH during the sacrifice so you’re ritually married to your sister as a religious necessity.
Anonymous No.24837204 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
>>24836182

The Hebrew phrase "neʿarim qĕṭannim" refers to young adult men who were usually old enough to work and hold the title of military attendant or adult servant, not "children". This is literally an organized mob of 42 men who were well aware of their actions mocking the prophet with hatred towards his religious views and political hostility.
Anonymous No.24837245 [Report] >>24837307
>>24836176
This is cool and all except for the fact that God’s plan to intervene in history is a total failure and it all got hijacked by jews and now the only people in the know are like the 12 people who know what marcionism is. This is the cosmic divine plan?
Anonymous No.24837254 [Report] >>24837264
Believe in Jesus
He is with us
Anonymous No.24837264 [Report]
>>24837254
I like this genre of internet posting where you throw low-effort Jesus is king shit onto a comment section or wherever and feel good that you did your part in fishing for men. Actually you probably just annoyed people away from your faith, and God will punish you for posting bad.
Anonymous No.24837307 [Report] >>24837319
>>24837245
The Axial Age ended. The Iron Age, with all its ritualisms and retarded morality, has been wiped away. People, by and large, do not sacrifice goats or oxen to speak to God. They do, as Christ taught, go into their rooms and pray to God Himself. You're stuck in this mindset of the "orthodox" where unless you buy into their specific brand of mind virus (changing every day: see the unending purity spirals of their strain since the 300s) you're not doing God's plan. God gave us the tools to approach him DIRECTLY and wiped away the rituals. He cut off the oracles. He silenced the false gods. Because we didn't need them anymore, and probably never did.

The entire basis of Western morality has been around the teachings of Christ for nearly 2000 years now. Does anyone who isn't a shut-in loser truly believe in Pagan morality? Even the psychopaths among us who do have to cloak their beliefs because it's so abhorrent to us now.

Christ won, and showed us the path to the Truth. But God gave us free will to do whatever we please with it.
Anonymous No.24837319 [Report] >>24837326 >>24837338
>>24837307
Hmm today I will look outside and see how christianity as the implicit foundation of our moral conventions is working out
Anonymous No.24837326 [Report]
>>24837319
>Does anyone who isn't a shut-in loser truly believe in Pagan morality?
I already spoke to you here, but just because people abuse the patience and charity doesn't mean that the principle of patience, humility, and charity is wrong.
Anonymous No.24837338 [Report] >>24837376
>>24837319
>Looks outside
>People are rejecting what the church teaches and now we have widespread fatherlessness, baby-killing, and suicide from hedonism and nihilism
Kek
Anonymous No.24837345 [Report] >>24837354
The OT is a collation of folk wisdom from Maccabees period. Joshua through Esther are books of ideology created by zealots for the Jerusalem only temple only Priest and Levite only cult. You’ll notice that II Kings and II Chronicles confesses that the Torah was only discovered late in the first temple period “mysteriously discovered.” Kings and Chronicles is full of kings worshipping gods other than YHWH, it is full of the Temple being used for other BBQs and full of prostitutes and traps. It is full of YHWH Patriarch Priest lovers holding BBQs at their local mountain not jerusalem.

Most of Joshua – Esther is ideological posturing to make second temple Judaism make sense. They’re not “real” histories, but are rather statements about how men should act.

The “Torah” as claimed by 2nd temple priests to have been discovered in the first temple is 5 books, with 4 books being Moses propaganda and compiled from 4 different overlapping sources (which is why you get stories twice, and why you get Kings *and* Chronicles). So you get the first sister fuck story from the E source, then you get the second sister fuck story which is the same sister fuck story from the P source.

Genesis is even older, and the result of prior compilations, reordered, etc. Half of Genesis isn’t even about the Israelites as such, but their mates. It is entirely mythical and involves mythic paternal figures originating the world by breeding. Weirdly though the chief breeding fight is between two women and their spare wombs: there is a hidden female aspect of Israelite culture that has been obliterated by 2nd temple priests. Probably to do with Asherah.

Everyone knows this. But because they’re so fucking fascinatingly broken as a social system everyone is really interested in the Patriarchal Jerusalem NO TRAPS cult. Or possibly the Samaritan cult who have their own high place and still do more traditional BBQs (not with the traps though).
Anonymous No.24837354 [Report] >>24837421
>>24837345
This is all true, and why the "God of the Old Testament" is clearly not the True God. The assemblage of sources, backed up by exegesis of other Near East mythos and archeological finds in the Levant, proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that the God that they describe is their War God who was elevated to prominence during or shortly after their Babylonian Captivity. Their "philosophy" is jury-rigged Zoroastrian concepts into a shoddy frame.

People don't want to admit this because it breaks the spell of the orthodox (RC, EO, Prot) continuum which has staked its legitimacy on upholding the continuity as if the OT God is the same as the NT. They simply don't understand, and probably never will.
Anonymous No.24837376 [Report]
>>24837338
Yes, christianity has long since lost any pretense of a compelling social institution and people are adrift where its weakness has manifested as a long arc of societal occupation, tolerance of decay, and ultimate prolapse.
Anonymous No.24837421 [Report] >>24837444
>>24837354
This is my first post ITT, but what draws you to Christ? Much of Jesus' teachings, both the moral and the apocalyptic, are rooted in the prophets of the OT, enough that his gospel seems to lose much of its basis if you discard the OT. If you base your religion on Luke and Paul's letters like Marcion did, what are you left with? A crucified apocalyptic teacher with a moral message dependent upon the apocalyptic, and a collection of practical letters from a fervored follower trying to make sense of the fact that his messiah had been killed? Sure, the theology of such a Christianity can be very interesting and beautiful, and the morals of Jesus were perhaps unparalleled at the time, but neither of these seem significant enough to justify a leap of faith. In my view, the OT alone is barbaric (and perhaps fabricated), the NT baseless, and the two taken together unreconcilable.
Anonymous No.24837444 [Report] >>24837874 >>24838599
>>24837421
You can probably scroll up and get a feel for what compels me to Christ. It's not just one thing for me. I've studied Antique philosophy and probably would've been considered a "pagan" (not like the Wiccan types, more chuddy like Tom Rowsell/Survive the Jive) before and all of it feels lacking. They're dead. The rituals do not work, the Gods aren't there. All of the philosophy points towards One God, but I do not believe as the Platonists (or modern Deists, for that matter) do that there is some impersonal God. If there is a True God, then He MUST have a personage. What drew me to Christ was all of these questions, and I found my answers within the Crucifixion and Resurrection. As I've said, to me it is a multi-tiered thing. Christ redeems us and the corrupted nature of our souls through this sacrifice, but more than that he conquers death (Christus Victor, if you want a name for this), but also - and this part is always overlooked - abrogates all of the old rituals and laws. He lays it out, as he does throughout the Gospels, that we don't need to follow Bronze Age formulae. We merely need to open ourselves to God, through Christ, and realize that we were always able to talk to Him.

The moral message of Christ is revolutionary. It still is revolutionary. It will always be revolutionary until all men realize and follow it. It is about true humility, patience, understanding, and charity. It isn't about "faith in God alone" nor is it about going to Church on Sunday for the Eucharist (what cathodox mean when they say "works" btw) but a unification of our will and God's will. That is what Christ taught.

As I've said I can accept that the Hebrew prophets were given sight-seeing. The oracles and sibyls were given this too. But that doesn't mean that the Mosaic Law came from the True God. All of Christ's miracles and signs were about rejecting and abrogating this Law. He heals on the Sabbath. He allows his Apostles to pick the grain on the Sabbath. He heals the uncleansed. The Hebrews had gotten so wrapped up in their law, just as our (assuming you're European-descendant here) ancestors got wrapped up in our rituals, that we had forgotten God.

That is the message of Christ. That is what propels me forward. That is what gives my life meaning. I hope I've answered your question, and I appreciate your respect in asking it.
Anonymous No.24837737 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
LMAO
Anonymous No.24837786 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
>whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire (Matthew 5 xxii)
4tranny """marcionites""" siding with the prophet-haters gonna get a rude awakening
Anonymous No.24837799 [Report]
Anonymous No.24837874 [Report] >>24837954 >>24837954
>>24837444
Thanks for the reply -- I may have misinterpreted you as believing the OT to be entirely false rather than merely superseded. But I like that there are new understandings of Christianity that aren't entirely "gnostic."

The significance placed upon the crucifixion always felt strange to me, as I tend to see atonement as more of an after-the-fact explanation for the crucifixion vs. a preexisting requirement that must be fulfilled. The moral message of Jesus resonates with me much more, and in comparison, a requirement of crucifixion for salvation almost feels vulgar. Quoting Deuteronomy 21:23 helps Paul justify the necessity of the crucifixion, but that doesn't do much for me. This may all be because I approach Jesus and Christianity from more of a historical perspective, though. I do really like what you said about the moral message of Christ.
Anonymous No.24837890 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
>Why is god like this
Why is He based? Because he's the Creator of literally everything. What else but BASED could He be?
Anonymous No.24837895 [Report]
>old testament/tanakh
Yeah that checks out
Jews are just like that
Anonymous No.24837898 [Report] >>24837915 >>24837957
>>24836175
I agree with you that the anon is fighting imaginary people but
>which is farcical as well, given that no denomination can agree on which parts of mosaic law still apply and will in any case continue to cherrypick whichever OT verses make them feel good
This is fake and disproven directly by the Bible itself.
Romans 7:
"Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress.But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
4So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the lawthrough the body of Christ,that you might belong to another,to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.5For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the lawwere at work in us,so that we bore fruit for death.6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the lawso that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
Anonymous No.24837915 [Report]
>>24837898
NTA, but while Paul is clearly opposed to gentiles following the law, many denominations put a huge emphasis on the Ten Commandments. Christianity would look vastly different if we followed Paul's teachings to the letter.
Anonymous No.24837933 [Report] >>24838897
>>24836004 (OP)
lmao look at these two
Anonymous No.24837954 [Report] >>24837988
>>24837874
>>24837874
I’ve run out of suitable Jesus paintings for now, but I appreciate your reply as well. I never felt like a Gnostic and I don’t agree with their views on Creation, on Christ’s Incarnation (I will admit, absence of a better formula, that the Council of Chalcedon makes the most sense), or just the general feel of it. Creation was an inherently good thing. As for the Old Testament I know that my views are “eccentric” but I think I have laid out my perspective and argument well enough here. If this thread is still active in the morning I will continue to post.

To me the Crucifixion and Resurrection are somewhat misunderstood by people today because the nature of how people approach and worship the Divine has been irrevocably altered by Christ and what happened. In those days, especially for our forefathers, the typical way of approaching the Divine was through ritual sacrifice. Christ’s Sacrifice, God unto God, was the “ultimate sacrifice.” It answers the equation. It completes the formula and shatters it for all time. There’s no need to do rituals. I would argue we never did, but got lost along the way. The Incarnation brought an end to the powers of these false gods to dictate to us. It’s why they only have power now when people give them such power consciously, out of their free will. Redemption and the conquest of Death are integral to it too, but the realization of the sacrifice formula aspect really opened my eyes to Christ.
Anonymous No.24837957 [Report]
>>24837898
right, but then you have matthew 5:18 saying the law continues to be in effect until the eschaton, or acts 15:20 which gives a much more limited ruleset for the convenience of gentiles
there isn't one central teaching on the law, there are multiple, which makes it a point of contention, and we see this play out in how people selectively appeal to the laws of leviticus, exodus, or what have you and craft their own headcanon that way
Anonymous No.24837988 [Report]
>>24837954
>I’ve run out of suitable Jesus paintings for now
Just AI him lmfao lol loser furry artcuck
Anonymous No.24838599 [Report] >>24839246
>>24837444
You did the rituals wrong if they didn't work.

People used them for thousands of years and they worked. when Christians described the rituals of Germanic heathens, they never argued that they didn't work. They said that the idol of Wotan was made to move and that the pagans were able to animate and converse with the dead, which corroborates, not contradicts pagan claims. The Christian argument against Heathenry was that the dead and the gods were neither but were actually the devil in disguise and that the devil was answering their prayers. Your criticism is actually very new age and atheistic and contradicts early Christians who actually witnessed Heathen blot.

Never met a single pagan who performed blot properly and said it didn't work (at least most of the time - sometimes gods do not answer)
Anonymous No.24838866 [Report] >>24839394
I think atheists can't grasp what kind of being God is to Christians and other monotheists. Why would the most powerful being, who created reality, the stars, and every single living creature, be bound to human moral standards? To an eternal, all powerful, all knowing being, we are lesser than ants. He can do whatever he wants, he is the absolute master of everything that exists.
Ironically, when people make these sorts of moral judgements against God they are using the very same Christian moral framework where you have to be meek, humble and kind to everyone, no matter your post or status in life.
Anonymous No.24838897 [Report]
>>24837933
Still laughing until the end
Anonymous No.24838898 [Report]
>>24836109
You really upset them
Anonymous No.24839074 [Report] >>24839123 >>24839246
>>24836176
>the Apostles and the Early church fathers misinterpreted Jesus about the True God(tm)
weren't they the only 'interpreters'? there is no gospel according to jesus. also why all the need for backtracking and the 'refutations' being very convenient?
Anonymous No.24839123 [Report] >>24839246
>>24836176
>>24839074
In fact, let me add that what you're suggesting (which seems to be out your ass) is one of two things. That the Judeans planted this Jesus figure in order to propagate a religion of submission in order to gain power for themselves OR God himself planted this fellow down to accelerate the technological singularity by permeating the biggest group-share in human history (a viral vector) via the fateful drive of God as Capital.

I want to believe the moral/ethical dramas that play in between (i want to be a good boy too) but you just have to show off and try and fill every historical gap to prove your point which makes your 'faith' suspect
Anonymous No.24839128 [Report]
You simply just can't understand Gods will. He was here before any of us
Anonymous No.24839130 [Report]
>>24836111
I'm very willing to make Gnosticism the board religion.
Anonymous No.24839188 [Report]
>>24836109
42 little boys being killed by God via bears is a tragedy. Almost all of humanity being killed by God via a worldwide flood is just a statistic. That's the human way. Maybe God should've given us a better number sense.
Anonymous No.24839246 [Report]
>>24838599
Well that's just my experience. I've seen these things done and it's just LARP. I do believe that there are people who perform these rites and have something happen, but I don't think anything good comes out of it. I've been party to and witness of these groups and the fruit of them is nothing good.
>>24839074
>>24839123
I'm suggesting that the Gospels, which are not infallible but are rather four individual accounts that only one of which claims to be from an eyewitness, are valuable to understand the message and the general Incarnation. The Apostles and the early Church Fathers were inherently tied towards Judaism because of cultural inertia (the Apostles grew up within that tradition, lived in it, infused with it, etc) and the Church Fathers were discipled by some of them. Their understanding was limited. You can tell this because, for instance, Paul was required by Christ to force Peter to stop being a Judaizer and as far as the Epistles are concerned it doesn't appear as though he ever really stopped. I'm not suggesting that Jesus was a mythic figure who did not exist, nor that the Incarnation was purely about some kind of techno leap. Far from that.

God took Incarnation to propel us towards unifying our Will with His own. To live as we were supposed to. To wipe away all of the old and tired formulae which we had grown accustomed to, which had shackled us away from the True God and true understanding and true faith.
Anonymous No.24839394 [Report] >>24839613 >>24841500 >>24841540
>>24838866
Then you should have no problem with Satanism or Shaivism either
Anonymous No.24839423 [Report] >>24839428
>>24836176
Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.
Mark 7:24-30
Jesus refuses to acknolege a goy untouchable woman. His disciples plead with him until he gives in.
Your Jewish God loves the Old Testament. He went to the yishuv and became the equivalent of a modern day Rabbi. Your God is a Rabbi...
Islam is the non jew worshiping religion you were looking for
Anonymous No.24839428 [Report] >>24839516
>>24839423
>all be fulfilled
Which happened with the Crucifixion and Resurrection.
Anonymous No.24839516 [Report]
>>24839428
i'm gonna have to disagree with that
it's clear that the matthew verse considers heaven and earth passing away to be the event that brings fulfillment, and it is also very clear that this hasn't happened yet
Anonymous No.24839613 [Report]
>>24839394
Not even satanists believe in satanism, they're just edgy atheists. Real satanism is retarded and untenable, you're adopting an abrahamic worldview while worshipping a being who is nothing but a rebellious created entitity.
Basically confirms my suspicions that the ahteists currently inhabiting this board are just as dumb as the reddit atheists circa 2012, and just like them they think little so.y 'gotchas' are going to kill religiosity lol. But I'm also not a Christian and I don't care which deity(s) you worship & don't worship.
Anonymous No.24839616 [Report]
>>24836109
>hey don't have a problem with God sending the Flood. They don't have a problem with God sending plagues upon Egypt. They don't have a problem with God sending Jonah to tell the people of Jehosaphat(?) that God will smite them.
...yes they do? Is this bait?
Anonymous No.24839623 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
Mistranslation, they were youths, fighting age young men that were also the children of the sodomitic pederast human sacrificers that just died like 10 paragraphs before.
Anonymous No.24840130 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
LOL
God’s a pretty funny/based guy
Anonymous No.24841253 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
God’s a big troll
Anonymous No.24841286 [Report] >>24845001
>>24836109
>yeah bro, god is the perfect being but he made a mistake for 2000 years because his rebellious children are so LE rebellious
>he figured this out by sending himself in human form so that he can live amongst his favorite creatures (the other ones don't have souls LMAO) then sacrificing himself to himself to redeem them for a sin that their forefathers committed, while having no conception of even what a sin is
The lengths that religioustards will go to justify their schizophrenic god is unbelievable.
Anonymous No.24841500 [Report]
>>24839394
What you miss is that these are untrue gods and God is the true god.
Anonymous No.24841525 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
Is that why bears keep eating my neighbors all up? Nice.
Anonymous No.24841540 [Report] >>24841565 >>24841862
>>24839394
My point being, atheists seem to think that I have made a moral judgment of all the religions and “chose” the nicest one that fits their ironically Puritan moral framework.

I did not. I am Christian because I believe A. God is real B. He sent Jesus Christ

Following from that, I simply have to learn Christ’s teachings and accept them as they are. If I disagree with them maybe I need to change, and not God.


When you bring up these other “gods” I am actually perfectly fine accepting that other people have spiritual experiences with them. I just think they’re demonic and are seeking to mislead people from the truth. Christianity is my religion because Christ is the truth, not because I objectively went down every silly r/atheism moral hypothetical to test Christ.
Anonymous No.24841565 [Report] >>24841708 >>24846205
>>24841540
You never had a choice. You were raised to believe a thing, and you believe it. Most atheists over the age of 23 understand this.
Anonymous No.24841708 [Report] >>24841725 >>24841730 >>24841846 >>24841919
>>24841565
I converted, and did so only after reading the Bible, the Koran, the majority of the Western Canon from Plato->Foucault, a substantial chunk of eastern, especially Japanese/Chinese buddhist texts, and finally the Catechism of the Catholic Church (among many other magisterial texts and some patristics). A lot of these profoundly influenced me and ultimately pushed me towards the truth of Christ. I’m 24 and will be getting my doctorate in a non-humanities/religion field before I turn 25.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Anonymous No.24841725 [Report] >>24841730
>>24841708
I'm older than you and you're gay
Anonymous No.24841730 [Report] >>24841846
>>24841708
Also I used to hide my first Bible I fished out of a throwaway donation pile working at a bookstore when I was 15-16, because my parents so consistently mocked Christianity. It would have been embarrassing trying to explain that I just wanted to move onto the logical next step after getting through Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius.

>>24841725
Wrinkly ah goofy ah nigga
Anonymous No.24841846 [Report] >>24844361
>>24841708
>>24841730
That's even worse.
Anonymous No.24841862 [Report] >>24844378
>>24841540
The Quran also posits that God sent Christ, and additionally, that Christ's message was corrupted because all biblical sources are secondary post-resurrection (since we have 20 different gospels by the apostles but none from Jesus directly). Also, the Quran posits that Muhammad bears the direct word of God. Why aren't you Muslim?
Anonymous No.24841919 [Report] >>24844361
>>24841708
Wow a stembot went down some wikipedia rabbit holes and reverted to the default of his cultural upbringing. Now that‘s intellectually challenging.
Anonymous No.24841991 [Report] >>24841999
>another thread full of roleplaying faglords pretending to be Christian on the most overtly Satanic website on the mainstream internet
The Bible was meant to be interpreted as a collection of myths and fables that point you in the direction of leading a Good and Virtuous life.
Anyone telling you that anything in the Bible literally happened as described is either an Evangelical grifter that worships money and power, or someone too retarded/illiterate to recognize that said grifters are psychotic cunts.
>Exodus 22:25
>Proverbs 28:6
Take comfort in the knowledge that Charlie Kirk went to fucking Hell.
Anonymous No.24841999 [Report] >>24844686
>>24841991
>point you in the direction of leading a Good and Virtuous life.
ah yes, by committing plenty of genocide
Anonymous No.24843043 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
He do be like that sometime.
Anonymous No.24843229 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
Even the artist of that illustration could not bear to depict the baldness of Elisha's head. It must have been horrifying
Anonymous No.24843818 [Report] >>24844549
Bald monks coping by writing fan fiction
Anonymous No.24843895 [Report] >>24847845
>>24836109
I’m a very pious man, and I ask all atheists, why do you believe that God’s morality is tantamount to the simple, primitive human, whose morals are shaped by millennia of doctrines composed by other humans?
Anonymous No.24843915 [Report] >>24844415
>>24836109
>The New Testament God is a redeemer, who has realized humans are rebellious and the only way to save them is through Jesus.
Why didn't He know this in the first place though?
>>24836199
This is a real copout "anything goes" answer that makes all theological discussion afterwards meaningless, but it does have some validity.
Anonymous No.24843967 [Report] >>24844378
>>24836109
If God changed his mind then that negates perfection
Anonymous No.24844361 [Report]
>>24841919
That interpretation is fine but I didn’t use wikipedia/online sites I just worked at a used bookstore part time for years and got a ton for free.

>>24841846
It directly contradicts what you assumed, so maybe assuming made an ass out of you and ming?
Anonymous No.24844378 [Report] >>24844570 >>24845610
>>24841862
You haven’t read either

>>24843967
Yes which is why Marcionism and adjacent beliefs are logically incoherent and at odds with Christianity. God didn’t change his mind halfway, the whole thing is one complete process running from Genesis through Acts.
Anonymous No.24844415 [Report] >>24847775
>>24843915
>Why didn't He know this in the first place though?
He does. The Old Testament is riddled with foreshadowing of the New, starting in Genesis. It is one complete process of salvation. The problem is that you’re lucky enough if you encounter someone of zoomer age who actually sat down and read even a single 40-page gospel, let alone the bulk of the New Testament, but then the Old Testament is like 80% of the Bible and barely any laypeople actually take the time to grind it out while developing/possessing the requisite historical/theological background to make sense of it. I really struggle to believe this many people carefully read the OT until they find something offensive and then carefully mark down only the most famous offensive verses (there are some in there I guarantee you are worse, if you had read it) and then go post about it online while seeming to lack any knowledge about what they supposedly read behind “muh Amalekites” and “muh iron chariots.” Worst of all is that people do this while arguing against against people who don’t believe in sola scriptura at all, while attacking a strawman that isn’t even sola scriptura, but a hyper-absurd extreme strawman of biblical literalism.
Anonymous No.24844443 [Report]
>>24836109
Based post, considering all the seething.
Anonymous No.24844468 [Report]
>>24836237
>makes a racist statement
>accuses their opponent of racism
Why hello, rabbi
Anonymous No.24844476 [Report]
>>24836177
The map is not the territory
Anonymous No.24844549 [Report]
>>24843818
It's called a tonsure. They were purposefully bald. The attack by the children was a direct attack on the institutions of the Church, and so they had to be punished by death. This is no different than having to burn witches at the steakhouse.
Anonymous No.24844570 [Report] >>24844600
>>24844378
>Yes which is why Marcionism and adjacent beliefs are logically incoherent and at odds with Christianity. God didn’t change his mind halfway, the whole thing is one complete process running from Genesis through Acts.
Marcionism is the only logical conclusion of Christianity. The Old Testament is obvious cobbled-together Hebrew bullshit. Yahweh changes his mind multiple times throughout the Old Testament within the context of individual actions, and there's no logical reason to believe that he would abrogate the Law with Christ when considering the OT. There's only two logical strains of Christianity that you can ascribe to:
>Marcionism, thereby rejecting Yahweh and focusing on Christ
or
>Judaizer Christianity, where all men are subject to the Law
Nicene Christians can't conceive of this because they get their theology from guys with beards instead of actually reading and comprehending the texts in front of them.
Anonymous No.24844600 [Report] >>24844626
>>24844570
It’s like none of you niggers have ever read the Bible in full, keeping the full narrative in mind. Jesus fulfills the Old Covenant by establishing the New. He doesn’t reject it. The Israelites prepared the ground for Christ’s coming, and the church is His adoptive family.

It’s so blatantly obvious if you just read instead of trying to find something where some bronze age scribe recorded things in a way that to you in the 21st implies God “changed his mind” so that a bunch of moderns could use it as an excuse to reject everything difficult about the faith in its complete and coherent form.

You literally sever 80% of the canon.

This isn’t Judaizing. It’s the opposite. It’s saying that all people can come and be one in Christ, and that the Old Covenant isn’t magically insulated against that. Israel in the purely tribal sense was abolished, circumcision was abolished. Saying that there’s some clear separation made by Christ in dignity or meaning IS the same line of argument as Judaizers, just that you say it to disparage the Israelites while the Judaizers said it to elevate Judaism.
Anonymous No.24844626 [Report] >>24844870
>>24844600
>It’s like none of you niggers have ever read the Bible in full, keeping the full narrative in mind. Jesus fulfills the Old Covenant by establishing the New. He doesn’t reject it. The Israelites prepared the ground for Christ’s coming, and the church is His adoptive family.
You're making shit up. There is no full narrative. There is the Jewish narrative (The Old Testament) and the narrative delivered by the True God (The New Testament.) Judaizers who wanted to obey the Law of Yahweh just ended up infiltrating the Church and forcing the inclusion of the Old Testament.
>It’s so blatantly obvious if you just read instead of trying to find something where some bronze age scribe recorded things in a way that to you in the 21st implies God “changed his mind” so that a bunch of moderns could use it as an excuse to reject everything difficult about the faith in its complete and coherent form.
You're coping and trying to post-hoc justify what is obvious in the text. You have no thoughts of your own, just whatever some guy with a beard/habit told you to believe.
>You literally sever 80% of the canon.
It wasn't canon to begin with.
>This isn’t Judaizing. It’s the opposite. It’s saying that all people can come and be one in Christ, and that the Old Covenant isn’t magically insulated against that. Israel in the purely tribal sense was abolished, circumcision was abolished. Saying that there’s some clear separation made by Christ in dignity or meaning IS the same line of argument as Judaizers, just that you say it to disparage the Israelites while the Judaizers said it to elevate Judaism.
There is a clear separation. The Law of Yahweh, as well as the laws and rituals imposed upon all of us by the spirits and gods of the Iron Age, were abrogated by the True God.
Anonymous No.24844686 [Report] >>24844739
>>24841999
Most current-day "Christians" are horrible people. They've strayed so far from the core teachings of the book they claim to follow, that they think putting on a thin facade of Faith is enough to overcome their pathological hatred of their fellow Man.
You can see this in their support for the genocidal faux-state of Israel, and the rise of the "theocratic Right" that is solely the realm of satanic cunts.
Anonymous No.24844709 [Report]
God went through development as consciousness got wiser
Anonymous No.24844739 [Report] >>24844939
>>24844686
The issue is "modern day Christians" are actually Judaizing non-Christians who follow Yahweh versus the True God that Christ was sent from.
Anonymous No.24844870 [Report] >>24844943 >>24845582 >>24846133
>>24844626
I miss the days when we just killed heretics like you out of hand.
Anonymous No.24844939 [Report]
>>24844739
I'm an atheist, Anon. Not a weird edgelord about it, like I see a lot of value in theology and religious scholarship, but I don't give a shit about the schizophrenic minutiae that you're babbling about.
You would do well to remember that there are no Christians on this website.
Anonymous No.24844943 [Report]
>>24844870
I think God is refining the Church by putting it through this era. It’s causing a rebirth of the really sophisticated apologetics of the early church, as by the time of the late 4th and 5th century arguments already became focused on convincing the state to suppress heretics rather than dismantling heretical arguments. As we have lost political dominance we can no longer just suppress heresy, so we have to develop and grow the ability of priests and the laity to access clear explanations of the faith and clear rebuttals of heresy.

Even stuff like the synod on synodality could potentially become an avenue for doctrinally sound voices to win, because our arguments still win in fair debate on equal footing against heresies.
Anonymous No.24845001 [Report] >>24845025 >>24845442 >>24845620
>>24841286
I really wanted to believe in God because I won't lie, I love Christian morality. But when I faced all this nonsense, tried to go through it with a study Bible, tried to reason with it, but in the end I could only think "this is not God, this is Jewish schizophrenia". And I don't like Jews. It's all very Jewish. The NT is even more Jewish than the OT. So whenever I hear about Christian doctrine I just think it's Jewish propaganda. And I know that I should never listen to Jews, because I'm not a Jew myself and everything they tell me is to harm me. Then I started disliking Jews even more than that, and I couldn't even think about Christianity any longer. That lingering tie I felt with God finally fell off. I tried looking at Buddhism but my whole view of religion was tainted at that point.
I love the idea, I love the morality, I love prayer, too, love everything about religion, but I just plug my ears before anything Jewish at this point, as well as anything inspired by Judaism. I just can't like Jews at all.
Anonymous No.24845025 [Report] >>24845044
>>24845001
No anon you are the schizophrenia
Anonymous No.24845029 [Report] >>24845064
>>24836004 (OP)
Calling people baldie has consequences.
Anonymous No.24845044 [Report]
>>24845025
Why do you use improper insults? There is nothing meandering or nonsensical about what I said. If anything it's the simplest reason to reject Christianity, and the foundation of it is absolutely true: it was all written by Jews. Both the OT and the NT. All Jews. Jewish words are poison, which is a very reasonable belief, so I chose not to listen. What's schizophrenic about this?
Anonymous No.24845064 [Report]
>>24845029
As a bald man myself, I wish there were still bears around for this purpose.
Anonymous No.24845442 [Report]
>>24845001
>Christian morality.
Do you really think there is any difference in Christian morality vs any other kind?
Anonymous No.24845582 [Report]
>>24844870
Not an argument. Nicene Christians (of all variants) can't defend their arguments on Scripture or on the facts. They can only rely on regurgitation of a specific variant of thought fro 1500 years ago which won out by ratting on all the other Christian sects to the Romans.
Anonymous No.24845610 [Report] >>24846180
>>24844378
>You haven’t read either
I have read both, you fucking dickweed.
Anonymous No.24845620 [Report]
>>24845001
So you make decisions based on emotion, not based on reason?
Anonymous No.24845974 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
bahahahahaha
Anonymous No.24845994 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
Tolstoy was right about Christianity. Ignore schools and doctrines and churches; abide only by Jesus
Anonymous No.24846133 [Report]
>>24844870
Anonymous No.24846151 [Report]
>>24836109
You're committing serious heresy. Gnostic trash. The Old Testament and New Testament God is the same God -- eternal, immutable, and unchanging.
Anonymous No.24846180 [Report] >>24846806
>>24845610
Okay retard. Inshallah I will uncritically absorb everything Muhammad PBUH claims without analysis or questions.
Anonymous No.24846205 [Report]
>>24841565
so what? you are a metaphysical cuckold for rejecting your culture's geist over bullshit pomo nonsense.
Anonymous No.24846806 [Report]
>>24846180
Why not? You already do it for Chr*st.
Anonymous No.24847113 [Report]
In which stage are you now? Christfags need not reply!
I'm not begging for Gold but I would welcome it, fellow gentlesirs
Anonymous No.24847775 [Report] >>24847825
>>24844415
>He does.
Right, so why didn't he act as if he knew in this specific instance of children being attacked by bears?
>The rest of your post
I can see that there may be some context missing in this specific text that explains that, like you've alluded to and like I've seen with other Bible texts. But it's true that I haven't read the passage in context. Do you know of some context that can resolve what seems to be an inconsistency?
Anonymous No.24847825 [Report]
>>24847775
2 Kings 2:23-25

> Elisha went from that city to Bethel. He was walking up the hill to the city, and some boys were coming down out of the city. They began making fun of him. They said, “Go away, you bald-headed man! Go away, you bald-headed man!”

> Elisha looked back and saw them. He asked the Lord to cause bad things to happen to them. Then two bears came out of the forest and attacked the boys. There were 42 boys ripped apart by the bears.
Anonymous No.24847838 [Report]
>>24836109
>Bro, what about this other time that God killed all the first born children in Egypt?
Uhh, is this a defense of God or further condemnation of how retarded the God presented in the Bible is? Also, God had to take thousands of years to "realize" something? So your defense of God is that he was an idiot for a few thousand years before deciding he had to make himself human to kill himself to forge a covenant that he could abide by? Are you starting to see how bad this narrative is?
Anonymous No.24847845 [Report]
>>24843895
I have never seen any indication that God exists or presents any morals at all. I only ever hear the claims of people who assert that they speak for God, all the while presenting thoroughly "simple primitive human morals".
Anonymous No.24847873 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
Clearly mortal writing. A balding male mortal.
As Abraham was a tiny dick prude mortal
Anonymous No.24848041 [Report]
I mention bears in my novel. I hope you guys take it as a subtle allusion to this biblical bear episode.
Anonymous No.24848069 [Report] >>24848097 >>24848165
Damn, christcucks get really mad when you point out the hilarious contradictions in their book.
Anonymous No.24848097 [Report]
>>24848069
poop and pee for you and meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Jamaican trump voters shine bright like a diamond when Damion drank the purple drank and cranked to the rhythm and the hip hop de booger de beat
Anonymous No.24848165 [Report] >>24848215
>>24848069

Nobody has said anything about The Book of Mormon
Anonymous No.24848177 [Report] >>24848427
>>24836148
>our religion is right, but our Holy Book is made up dogshit
Yeah ok, really convincing me to become Christian lol.
Anonymous No.24848215 [Report]
>>24848165
Old testament: God will punish you for no reason and give you stupid tests to prove your faith in him -- stockholme syndrome
Anonymous No.24848427 [Report] >>24848433 >>24849036
>>24848177
>fedora is strongly opinionated with 0 knowledge
The Bible is a blended text that contains poetry, myth, history, and legal codes.
Anonymous No.24848433 [Report]
>>24848427
more like a a blended family you goofy cuck
Anonymous No.24848459 [Report]
Sometimes I think of why would god let beatles fall on their backs unable to get up. Why would a creature be like this. Today a bug entered my bathroom while I was in the shower. The bug got wet and, although I saved him from drowning, its wings were soaked and he couldn't fly anymore. The wings were heavy with water. What about when it rains? I don't know but those things make me question my faith more than seeing a hungry HIV positive African woman or a legless child war survivor.
Anonymous No.24848501 [Report]
>>24836004 (OP)
Blasphemy. God didn't do that. He sent one bear to rip them to shreds. And it was hilarious. Read the fucking book, you lazy pig. It's worth the effort.
Anonymous No.24848976 [Report] >>24848981
Have you guys read From Yahweh to Zion?
Anonymous No.24848981 [Report]
>>24848976
shut the FUCK up
Anonymous No.24849036 [Report] >>24849052
>>24848427
Yeah, and I treat it as such. Any other questions?
Anonymous No.24849052 [Report] >>24849060
>>24849036
Have you told your parents that you're gay yet?
Anonymous No.24849060 [Report]
>>24849052
Mad I agreed with you?