Thread 24844904

Will learning a second language make me more or less of a wordcel (incessant verbalization of thoughts)

>>24844904 (OP)
Verbalization of thoughts is what separates us from animals. It can't be taught or learned. If you don't have it, you're just an animal.

>>24844909
>"NOOO THAT'S NOT A REAL THOUGHT UNLESS YOU MAKE A WORD FOR IT"
imagine being this mentally cucked

No, study mathematics. Do learn foreign languages though.

>>24844904 (OP)
I talk to myself in foreign languages all the time

>>24844904 (OP)
Yes but only if you learn French.

>>24844904 (OP)
I don't see why it would. You surely know multiple words for each thing you are thinking about already and adding one more doesn't sound like it makes much of a difference. As someone raised in a tri-lingual home, my verbalization is through the roof. Whether the two phenomena are connected or not, I do not know.
But I do know what helped me re-discover (mental and real) world past mere words - meditation and slowly reading poetry. Along with Iain McGilchrist.

>>24844909
The goal isn't to "not have it", it's to not be constrained by it. In the words of Jiddu Krishnamurti, "the day you teach the child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again." And as odd and anti-intellectual as it comes across, neurological research does confirm that the left hemisphere (the one mostly associated with language, especially complex syntax) can trick you into ignoring aspects of reality that don't fit into your definitions. Said simply, we have a tremendous ability to mislead ourselves through words and we need to look past them on a regular basis.

>>24844963
you should listen to your elders. he is right

>>24844904 (OP)
Here’s what Tolstoy said about learning languages: “In indicating what to read I mentioned French, English, and German books to you. Perhaps you don’t know all these languages; perhaps you don’t even know a single one, as is often the case with young people leaving school. If so, study modern languages during your university course… And so I advise you first of all to fashion for yourself a tool for reading- to acquire a knowledge of languages. This is the most human knowledge. Nothing does so much to help unity among people as this knowledge.“ I just wanted to share this since it is somewhat related to your question; if it answered it, good. If not, then oh well.

>>24844904 (OP)
>incessant verbalization of thoughts
You should check 23 and me. Its the most jewish characteristic. Albeit a lot of prominent jews have mentioned this keeps them up for many nights in row and instead of dying from sleeplessness you learn to play the conversion game to the extent it becomes fun and useful.

>>24844904 (OP)
You should learn a bit of greek and latin. It will help with understanding the etymology of most english words, as well as giving you a much better grasp of grammar and composition in general

> Learning many languages. To learn many languages fills the memory with words instead of with facts and ideas, even though in every man, memory is a vessel that can take in only a certain limited amount of content. Also, learning many languages is harmful in that it makes a man believe he is accomplished, and actually does lend a certain seductive prestige in social intercourse; it also does harm indirectly by undermining his acquisition of well-founded knowledge and his intention to earn men's respect in an honest way. Finally, it is the axe laid to the root of any finer feeling for language within the native tongue; that is irreparably damaged and destroyed. The two peoples who produced the greatest stylists, the Greeks and the French, did not learn any foreign languages.
>But because the commerce of men must become increasingly cosmopolitan and, for example, a proper merchant in London must be able to make himself a necessary evil. When it finally reaches an extreme, it will force mankind to find a remedy for it, and in some far-off future time everyone will know a new language, a language of commerce at first, then a language of intellectual intercourse generally, and this as surely as there will one day be aerial navigation. Why else would the science of linguistics have studied the laws of language for a century and assessed what is necessary, valuable, and successful about each separate language!

>The learning of many languages fills the memory with words instead of with facts and thoughts, and this is a vessel which, with every person, can only contain a certain limited amount of contents. Therefore the learning of many languages is injurious, inasmuch as it arouses a belief in possessing dexterity and, as a matter of fact, it lends a kind of delusive importance to social intercourse. It is also indirectly injurious in that it opposes the acquirement of solid knowledge and the intention to win the respect of men in an honest way. Finally, it is the axe which is laid to the root of a delicate sense of language in our mother tongue, which thereby is incurably injured and destroyed. The two nations which produced the greatest stylists, the Greeks and the French, learned no foreign languages.
>But as human intercourse must always grow more cosmopolitan, and as, for instance, a good merchant in London must now be able to read and write eight languages, the learning of many tongues has certainly become a necessary evil; but which, when finally carried to an extreme, will compel mankind to find a remedy, and in some far off future there will be a new language, used at first as a language of commerce, then as a language of intellectual intercourse generally, then for all, as surely as some time or other there will be aviation. Why else should philology have studied the laws of languages for a whole century, and have estimated the necessary, the valuable, and the successful portion of each separate language?

>>24845196
>neetzch was 'tarded
yeah we know

Niggers in Africa all speak like 10 languages and they're still 70 IQ retards. Meanwhile peoples of world-historical importance like white Americans and Chinese mostly only speak one language.

>>24844904 (OP)
Thats precisely why I won't. I actually get off the thought of annoying people.

>>24845196
>The two nations which produced the greatest stylists, the Greeks and the French, learned no foreign languages.
This is literal bs. All the great French stylists knew Latin and Ancient Greek

>>24845207
to liken learning a language as being nothing more than cramming your mind with words is nonsense. Language acquisition is not at all the same as filling your mind with 'facts and thoughts.' That would be like calling exercise stupid because you have to fill your mind with various techniques and forms.

I can read literature in 4 languages but I can only speak 1

>>24844904 (OP)
Listening to static or ambient noise helps. Meditation helps. I’ve found certain herbs to help quiet and others to amplify the internal monologue. Try to be so silent that you can hear the space between the quiet. If you can feel your sacral chakra throbbing with energy you will know it’s working. Wishing you mental peace, shalom bhodisatva the light be known.

>>24845196
didn't nietzsche know at four or five languages

>>24846032
Maybe that's why he was retarded

>>24844904 (OP)
Hard to say, but if you actually internalize another language to a high level it will at least help you see more clearly the distinction between the logic of your native language and reality itself.

>>24845263
how does that even work ? can you at least understand if people speak it. i know 2 language and can speak both its just my pronunciation that sucks.

>>24844904 (OP)
Yes.
>>24844963
Imagine thining this post reflects well on you

>>24844963
Imagine being a hollow. Just that. A hollow. Inside you there is nothing, all your acts, even your speech acts, are driven by processes subconscious and instinctual, you've no awareness of them.
NPC running on its script.

>>24844904 (OP)
I'd recommend getting in the weeds of logic, math and ancient languages. This trifecta will affect how you engage and disseminate information.

>>24844909
animals are always based

>>24844904 (OP)
Imagine being so dumb you think in words

>>24844963
based and keyed. wordcels stay seething at just-be-yourselfchads