Thread 24850513

The idea of an "ultimate fate of the universe" is a lie spread to keep the masses in line. There is no heat death. All of the literature on this topic is incorrect.

Every book written on the topic of the "ultimate fate of the unverse" is full of propaganda meant to threaten and terrify the masses.

Dark energy decays into dark matter, and dark matter decays into baryonic matter.

>>24850513 (OP)
>dark energy decays into dark matter, and dark matter decays into baryonic matter
that’s not what any observational data supports. Dark energy is, as far as we can tell, a constant or quasi-constant energy density driving cosmic acceleration. There’s no empirical evidence it decays into anything. Dark matter also appears remarkably stable; if it were decaying into ordinary (baryonic) matter at any noticeable rate, we’d see specific gamma ray or neutrino signatures. We do not.

>>24850513 (OP)
Heat death of the universe isn't going to happen, that's the atheist's "God is dead" solution. You're getting a Big Crunch, a return of everything to its creator and you're going to like it. Science will eventually catch up to what religion has known for thousands of years and when it does you'll remember this post.

>>24850655
>muh empirical evidence
well then formulate more hypotheses find more ways to test for them. you faggots are a disgrace to science, the nihilism put out by this field plays right into the religionfags hands. science should be a progressive institution

>>24850718
Calling scientists “nihilists” for describing an indifferent universe is like calling meteorologists evil for predicting a storm. science always formulates more hypotheses and finds more ways to test them. That's what science is. Also, it isn’t even fucking nihilistic unless one insists that meaning must come from permanence.

>>24850513 (OP)
haha OP I love froggo XD

>>24850513 (OP)
Dark energy and dark matter have nothing to do with each other. They’re just placeholders for parts of the standard model that don’t work without adding extra energy and weight. They could just disappear with a better explanation (MOND?).
You are such a brainlet you saw “dark” in both of them and constructed a link.
>all the books
Start with reading even one you fucking imbecile. >>>/sci/

>>24851016
-weight
+mass

>>24850695
> Science will eventually catch up to what religion has known for thousands of years
Religion wanted the universe to have Earth in the center. To be the only planet. It wanted a solar system with perfect spheres not ellipses. It wanted a static universe. It argued against the big bang until it decided actually that was the prediction all along.

Religious people are retarded but like to take credit for changes they have nothing to do with post fact. They can of course never actually make theories with predictions they can test, they can only be a parasite. It’s like Graham Hancock and ancient aliens people. Or flat earthers. They’re not actually interested in testing anything, just sophistry. When shown to be wrong they just pick the next bullshit.

>>24850513 (OP)
Materialist Eschatology is a matter of purely philosophic interest since even the most pessimistic projection puts the remaining lifetime of the universe somewhere around 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years.

>>24851032
They actually did not want any of those things, that's revisionism.

>>24851043
But there's no perception of time in death? So you skip straight to then

>>24851032
Fr. Lemaitre, who coined the big bang, was the Vatican's astronomer and the scientific community back then didn't want to accept a "beginning" to the universe.

dark matter isn't real, there's no proof

>>24850655
>Dark energy is
literally fake and gay. We have empirical proof the cosmological constant isn't nearly as ironclad as we're lead to believe, corroborated from the most recent DESI report itself. Keep up with the science, OP is right.

>>24851032
Soiencetrannies have to strawman everyone.

Astronomers are full of shit, this is known by anyone who isn't a retard gorilla nigger.

>>24850513 (OP)
It's doesn't really matter if heat death actually comes. Once there're no observers, eternity becomes an instant. Everything that can happen will happen. Quantum fluke will trigger a new Big Bang, or something else. What was there before you were born? An eternity of darkness. What will happen after you die? An eternity of darkness. But from your point of view, the eternity before was instantaneous. So, from the perspective of universe the eternity after will be instantenous also. There will be no objective time after the heat death anyway, so the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?" becomes meaningless. Once there is nothing, something will appear no matter how improbable it is.

>>24850513 (OP)
"fate of the universe" is spread by those that wrongly believe that causality is only unidirectional when everyone with a head on their shoulders can tell that causality in reality is both push/pull in all directions at the same time. Those who believe causality is unidirectional believe all the vectors of the universe point towards one direction.

>>24852349
Note that some event having probability 1 does not mean it must happen. You can flip a coin heads, forever. How? It just comes down heads on the next throw, always.

>>24852359
If there's no time, there're no observers, infinity collapses to certainty. Some event necessarily will happen. And it will happen right at that instant. And events will keep happening until they produce an observer, and this event in turn will trigger the beginning of space-time.

Nahhhh. Guys. By then we will have the tech to reverse the expansive nature the Big Bang and commence the great stretch. So much more time will pass that when the great stretch comes to an end and everything collides once more we’ll be too enlightened to interfere. Bang.

What a fucking coincidence holy shit had a dream the universe would constantly reset I was traveling through the matter of the universe forcing a reset or something? I was basically transcending time itself. Very uneasy and scary dream I cant lie, thank you for reminding me

>>24851066
It is not measured from a human perspective

>>24850718
>you faggots are a disgrace to science, the nihilism put out by this field plays right into the religionfags hands.
And that's a good thing

>>24850655
>dark energy/matter
>observations

Bruh. Dark energy is a fucking NUMBER they have to insert because the math doesn't add up. It has never been "observed." Theoretical physics is a new religion at this point.

>>24852349
>What will happen after you die? An eternity of darkness.
Do you actually think "you" are looking at a pitch black room forever when you die?

>>24852377
Nothing is more narcissistic than trusting a h*man to restore the energy gradient.

All the models for the ultimate fate of the “universe” (I.e. the observable universe) are completely inconsequential to the debate about the existence of god. It has nothing to do with the ultimate fate of reality itself, just a small piece of what is obviously a larger cosmological environment occluded from our view. The posts in this thread reek of deism, new atheism and American culture war retards. I will make the audacious claim that modern cosmology has nothing to contribute to philosophy currently. category errors abound itt. Quantum mechanics seems far more fertile.