Thread 23566406

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Old thread : >>23542485

Missable parts:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11Os6xf3IGARLhjhb2gxeRFL4xXWiU6ZLiM-FQzjtKAI/
[WIP] loot table/gear checklist/boss spawns/whatever:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r2TA2Qe1XWJpgeIvKO00iNMZ3S7q5D1jWH7vBOEMeOI/

Patch next week

>Cybele Omega grind next week
It's going to be an absolute shitshow, I feel it in my bones

>>23566424
Wait, I don't remember getting that outfit on Oct 2.

>>23566865
It's on the store page as "Free Iris Outfit" DLC. Worth noting that it seems to provide some extra chest padding for guys, but not girls. Thought it was just a trick of the light/shading at first, but on closer inspection the model does appear to change. For girls, it actually seems to shrink the chest a tiny bit compared to the other DLC outfits in exchange for more definition.

>>23566597
Any of you guys want to coop that thing? Cybele Beta already takes an eternity to kill

>>23567153
I'm up for it, you guys just make a room and I'll jump in

Made two more.

Oh we're back
>>23567153
Yeah I'll be down for it
I'm looking forward to the club/acid gun. But really I want the arms. The things have like 200 melee and 90 shooting which can be saved by enough head mods.

That head is probably atrocious though. And I wonder if they'll give us a shield or if it'll be a (nearly useless) jamming device

>>23568535
I don't see the point in either honestly, we already have two of those shields that do exactly the same thing so a third one really doesn't mean anything, jamming aux are completely useless so even there there's no point in having yet another recolor of the same exact thing, the problem with Lapis Lacrima is that it also doesn't really lend itself to much, the only other thing it does is lay mines so maybe a mine aux? But those things are also useless so we're back to square 1.
Honestly my only wish for this game is a second Centurion fight with a set that includes the coattails and the spine spikes+orbital ring rather than that discount set we currently have, what a gigantic miss that was.

>>23568905
>I don't see the point in either honestly, we already have two of those shields that do exactly the same thing so a third one really doesn't mean anything
A third one would be potentially even stronger;
Aeternitas Physical defense is capped at 60 and a high roll for laser defense is 60 while it's guard strength fluctuates from 40 to 70
It's skill modifier is also...
...?

...Wait
As I'm looking at these stats
Did they buff Concordia/Aeternitas?
I swear to you that when I made these shields Aeternitas has a .8 skill modifier and Concordia had a 1.00
Now Aeternitas has a 1.00 modifier and Concordia has a 1.10
And I know this because I had a set with the Verus Speculum specifically for shield bashing.
... Or maybe this is the Mandela effect.

Anyways a third shield could potentially be 90 (or even 100) for blade and laser, have a 1.2 correction, and potentially a 1.00 move speed boost baseline
It wouldn't change anything for using it against guns. But a 100/100 would make it useable for me specifically with the retard build.

Or they could give us a new gun
Anyways maybe Centurion (forma de coattails) comes with the expansion next month

>>23568926
Don't really think we'll get a second Cent set or fight, it's just very wishful thinking with a lot of pipes and dreams.
And even if we did we'd just get a Fragarach recolor rather than a second set, let alone a second set with different looks, they've already shown with Grausam Omega that they're taking the path of least resistance and the game's poor sales aren't going to change that either.

>>23568930
I was pretty bummed out about not getting an entire set per boss but I've since settled into it.
I just hope the abyss dlc is good

If it's a forever thing I'll probably bend over backwards praising this game everywhere.

Wonder if the cosmetic changes come with the next patch

>>23566597
Here's hoping it at least drops something worth farming. If the weapon is just an upgraded acid mace/gun I'm gonna be irritated. The fuck is the point in adding new bosses if they don't give us any new toys?

>>23570715
Didn't they confirm they were working on bringing those changes to the next update? Pretty sure that's what they said recently.
>>23571634
It's just stuff they hoped would give the game some legs, even if they do give us new toys it's kinda pointless considering the current state of the game where nothing can oppose mid tier weapons even on Hard, let alone high/top tiers.

>>23566406 (OP)
Is there anything you can do to keep the Heavy armor on for longer? I really really thought that the summonable mech will be a permanent thing not a thing with a duration.

>>23572288
In single player, there's rare attachments that let you slow down the VP depletion.
In multiplayer you can more or less have infinite Heavy Armor as long as people keep spamming healing bubbles from things like Repair Shot or Splendor II since Heavy Armor VP works exactly like player VP, in theory you can also lengthen the duration of Heavy Armor in single player by spamming a bunch of Repair Shots or Splendor II shots with enhanced duration and camp inside of those until they pop but it's nowhere as efficient as it is in multiplayer.

>>23572288
>I really really thought that the summonable mech will be a permanent thing not a thing with a duration.
You were retarded for thinking this desu. What would be the point of the downsized arsenals if they turned around and gave you the big ones too?

The inclusion of the old arsenals feels like such an afterthought. No fanfare, no pizzazz, nothing. When you finally get one, it's just another generic fetch quest and you move on. Toby even does his dynamic entry TWICE, and nobody bats an eye at the gigantic mech.

>>23573814
The whole game feels like an afterthought.

>>23573814
Nobody makes a fuss about any of the old war weapons. There's Rebellions and dreadnoughts and all kinds of utter what not. That's me being generous.

The reality is they probably didn't have enough developmental time to flesh out the idea. I was dreaming about what kind of cool set piece they'd give you but there wasn't one. Oh well. What's there is cool enough but that cooldown time is killer.

>>23575027
>The reality is they probably didn't have enough developmental time to flesh out the idea.
>Six years after the first game
>Not enough dev time
They just need a director who knows what he's doing

Two more days.

>>23575755
I want the arms so fucking bad man.
I want anything really.

But god damn is Cybele going to be such a fucking slog man.

Gib update

>Gotta go to bed then wake up for 12 hours of work.
>update in a couple hours.
>Won't be able to fight the new bosses until tomorrow.
Welp, have fun lads.

>>23578450
I'd have fun if the update was out
Hurry up and release damn it

>>23579110
Wasn't it supposed to drop at like 10am eastern?

>>23579113
Don't think they gave a time. It'll probably be in 2-3 hours from now though since wasn't that when the game proper released? And it seems they're sticking to that crazy schedule

>>23579113
It's still not out yet. Damn you Marvelous!

Yeah 9 o'clock on the dot
Yahoo.

Holy. Fucking. Shit. The incompetence. Like really.

Anyone want to coop?

>>23579530
It's 10pm I'll be down tomorrow

Amalgamate is a good brawling arm for fatties. Weighs less than pallas and almost has the same memory capacity.

>>23579642
Cybele omega threatens to drive me insane

These omega variants all really needed a new attack or something. Grausam at least runs around at sanic speeds, but with these other two, I can barely tell the difference.

So what did the new bosses add? Anything worth giving a shit about or do I go back to sleep until the DLC?

>>23579963
>Very good melee arms for fat boys (and only fat boys due to it's weight)
>An aux that is essentially just an aoe large attack boost item for 10s on a ~40s cooldown.
>The strongest mace in the game by far
>a heavyweight head for mediumweight melee builds.

>>23579968
All shit for me. I return to cold storage until the DLC.

>>23579989
I'm thinking about fishing for a good version of that aux.
~20% extra damage combined with every other multiplier could potentially allow stupid silliness.

>>23580010
The attack boost AOE doesn't follow the user, so it's probably better for ranged builds than melee.

>>23579642
It's the only good piece of gear in this update and the only reason to ever bother with either of those shitty fights, and to no one's surprise they have good synergy with Explorer parts too.
Amalgamate head is mediocre at best though, Tyrant is meh, not really a big step up from Butcher as it should have been, Fortis is a joke but at the very least is not a jammer I guess.

I think the worst part of this deal outside of both Cybele and Lapis being dogshit fights is that none of the Amalgamate parts look any good on clownsuits, the aesthetic is just too different from everything else to play mix and match here, which is a shame since Amalgamate arms look really cool on their own.
Here's hoping the november expansion is not another fumble.

>>23580127
Will the expansion have a new region? I'm hoping it's ballbustingly hard because I've optimized the fuck out of my arsenal.

>>23580130
Who knows, given how lazy they've been I'm not really sure what to think anymore, I'm glad I did not pay for it in advance because I don't think I'm gonna keep playing at this point, the game's a mess and they keep showing such a lack of basic competence I'm not really given any reason to bother, fighting both Cybele and Lapis omega even on Easy is ridiculously tedious and the rewards are not even worth the hassle

>>23580037
That's the activation radius
Once it's on you it's on you
As for said radius, On my medium and fatasses at least (I don't pilot lightweights) I can only outpace it by deliberately spamming blink to get out of it

Think I might stick with the jagd in the end though. That attack boost overwrites the item boost. As in when it expires that boost goes away.
Also your mirage can use it too. Occasionally.

>>23580134
The Omega bosses are just extra shit to hold us over until the expansion. Other than Cybele, I don't they were handled poorly.

>>23580202
nta but I'm with you
But I think it's pretty fucking shitty that we don't get the chest piece until AFTER the expansion
What were they thinking?

>>23580202
The omega bosses are clearly for making a single melee build. The weird part is that the last part, the chest piece, comes a month AFTER the DLC. Which as you said is poor handling.
Should have focused on a selection of omegas that gave a nice range of weapons rather than just going melee. And that's coming from me, with over 150 hours playing a fatboy melee build so this shit is basically catered specifically to me.
Honestly I think it'd be much better, just gear-wise, if they instead focused on giving us omega neun and just kept omega colossi for the DLC.

>>23580202
>Literally the same exact fight as the base versions but with bloated stats, despite being the THIRD recolor they've pulled off
>Base versions aren't even good fights to begin with outside of maybe Grausam which is just passable
>Lapis Omega still has the "forced cinematic scripted attack makes me invincible until I'm finished with this slow ass shit that will never hit anyone" problem but amplified by the bloated everything
>Out of three bosses there's maybe two pieces of gear worth getting so far
>Somehow the last piece of Amalgamate will come all the way at the end of their update plan, though maybe they'll move that up, who knows
I think they were handled extremely poorly but overall that's the game as a whole, I'm not even going to open the can of worm that is Lapis being just a worse retooling of Dreadnought to begin with because that would be just putting salt on the wound but I'm very disappointed with the state of the game, it's all so low effort

>>23580212
Beta Lacrima being entirely over water is pretty cool, since you can't rely on ground speed or jump performance and you need to manage femto or else you'll drown.

>>23580309
You don't need to manage anything, there's Femto Crystals everywhere especially near the lake and Lapis Beta makes sure to spawn in enough mobs with high Femto drops to make sure you're topped up at all times even with the worst possible Femto pools and consumption rates, nevermind how simply staying still even in midair procs Femto regen for some reason

>>23580010
It's a DPS nerf really. Having Jag so you can skillspam/maintain thresholds/use AS results in much more DPS overall. If you're not using any of that though, go for it I suppose. That being said the thing has a ridiculous memory requirement for what it does. At that point you may as well try to fit the sat shield.

>>23580528
Can it affect teammates? Maybe it's meant for group play

>>23580640
it impacts teammates, yeah
But as it overwrites regular item buffs I'm not sure the math, maths out well enough to use it.

>I actually need that chest piece to complete my build
Honestly didn't see that one coming
The full set is going to be rad, man. Just two... months...

Well, that assumption is a bit predicated on the chest not losing flight speed under heavy equipment load. Zeruchrot is great but it has it's limits and it buckles under the weight of just the pieces without factoring in armor.

Would anyone help ferry me to the top of the tower. I hardly have time to game lately and would really appreciate it

>>23582469
I wouldn't expect much of the chestpiece especially if you want speed, just by looking at the legs you know you're going to be slow as molasses like every other heavy set, if you're using a heavy set you just need to accept that you're going to be slow as shit anyway
>>23583080
Can you even do that? You can just teleport where the host goes and unlock checkpoints in your own file?

What is the best looking head piece and why is it Revenger

>>23583080
Just saw this post. I'm down for it if you're still available and still need help.

>>23583084
It's less speed and more avoiding speed penalties
Just being heavy with it's low base aerial/dodge speed is one thing.
Those -x% aerial speed demerits however massively impact boost speed.

>>23583611
Revenger is the GOAT, the set as a whole is fantastic even if it's literally just a hot rod Warscythe made by some random fuck.
Outside of the criminal lack of monoeyes the head variety in terms of design isn't bad at all, I especially like the teeth motif of the high end Axiom/Outer sets, if I had to make a top five for the head parts in terms of looks it would probably be
>Revenger
>Crius
>Pallas
>Neptune
>Minyades
But I also really like the more exotic looking heads like Auxo, I don't think there's any head part I actively dislike in this game.

>>23583611
>>23584118
I like the story around Revenger most of all
It's surprisingly few in the genre where a suit gets to have it's own story and legacy.

Is online basically dead?

>>23586150
You can still get rooms easily if that's what you're wondering about.
Due to the matchamking being lobby based and also global if you just want to play with somebody that won't be an issue until we eventually fall into the double digits.

>>23582469
>The full set is going to be rad, man. Just two... months...
Well, technically if you are on PC and don't object mods, there IS a mod that unlocks everything for purchase in the store, the chest piece is already in the files fully complete so you can buy it right now with the mod.

>>23586951
Speaking of the shop mod, does it have whatever the next three weapons are going to be as well?

>>23586951
How much stuff is in there?
Don't tell me the expansion DLC stuff is already there

>>23586975
>>23586951

Nah just the armor set, none of the missing red weapons yet.

>>23587023
Meh, not gonna bother then, thanks for the info
Wanted to see if the expansion will be just the Tartaros set and a bunch of weapons but I guess I'll have to wait

>>23587026
They removed the two other yellow sets (Tartaros and whatever the other one is called) when they changed amalgam set to red rarity. Technically you can still buy the arms from the second set, now also in red rarity, but the rest of it was removed. Even the couple weapons that were unobtainable like Zanki's twin katanas got edited, not exactly removed but they had their icon data and names removed so while still technically buyable, you can't sell them and in the menu they just show up as grey boxes with no name in spite of being complete items before the first omega boss patch. But there really isn't all that much unreleased data, it seems they're at least legit adding new content with patches, and not just unlocking shit already in the data files.

>>23587039
The other set they datamined was Caritas, which judging from the aesthetics will be dropped by Chaldia in the last update.
To be honest I was really just curious about whether we'll get more sets than just those two but eh, I don't really have high hopes at this point, I only pray that either Tartaros or Caritas have stats for sniping because if Auxo really remains the best there is for that it's gonna be dire

>>23584536
Have they added a way to get revenger if you messed up the side quest yet?

>>23587759
Yeah, here are the patch notes
https://marvelous-usa.com/2025/09/24/daemon-x-machina-titanic-scion-patch-notes/

>>23587788
Well fuck. Where is the stray located?

Any way to deal with Arachne faster? I defeated her once but it feels like a coin toss. Its so hard to pinpoint where she is. Also is there anything better than Wrath of Gods?

>>23589560
>Its so hard to pinpoint where she is.
The trick is simple: don't let her get her invisibility up ever.
Actual setup:
-bring at least one MG arm and another MG with matching crit range (or two MG arms, I ain't your mommy)
-bring Garuda/Wrath of God
-bring incendiary grenades (I'm guessing corrosive would work just as well)
As soon as the battle starts look at the concrete barrier/rubble to your right. She always teleports there as an opening. Immediately open fire with both MGs then lock on as soon as you plink her, then start unloading missiles into her as well. Chuck a grenade every once in a while to keep her on fire and break the invisibility and you're done. If she gets knocked down try to time your grenade so it hits her as she gets up, as the invuln window also prevents grenades from exploding on contact.
Of note: Arachne tends to get stuck on the level's geometry, she can dash away while reactivating invis but she often just stands there and eat whatever you throw at her. SR2s are shit against her. If you get in their crit range she just nicks you with her paralyzing tailblade and then you eat 6 gorillion arrows while she turns invisible. By the same logic, limit change+combo thrust can fail miserably if she gets you first or she gets enough time to get up and dash away.
>Also is there anything better than Wrath of Gods?
Garuda, arguably. Cheaper in memory usage and weight, better damage potential at the cost of guidance (which is mostly irrelevant since colossals are too big to miss and other arsenals can dodge both). Wrath does have better burst damage, admittedly. It also looks like shit on lightweights.

>>23589560
>Also is there anything better than Wrath of Gods?
As far as heat-seeking missiles go there's only:
>El Dorado
Early game option only.
>Garuda
Best overall for it's low weight and memory burden while still maintaining competitive DPS.
>Wrath of God
Good for burst damage, but as stated above it's overall DPS is comparable to Garuda over the course of a full fight while having a higher burden. It's total damage is only slightly higher due to having a but more total ammo, but not enough to make a big difference though.

Basically use Garuda if you care about your mobility and memory at all and use Wrath of God on fatties who have weight and memory to spare.

I really want the DLC to add a laser missile option for heat-seeking. It makes about as much sense as regular laser missiles and arguably even more sense than Zeruchroar's exploding laser missiles so I don't see why they can't. Would make a cool boss drop weapon.

What drops the amalgamate chest?

>>23592677
Upcoming Insania Rex Omega, you won't see it before december unless they change the release schedule.
Or you can use the shop mod to unlock it now, but future updates might mess that up.

bump

I feel for the info guy's pity story like the soft wuzz i am. Im ready to get kicked in the ass

HAYATE NO YOUNI

>Kill axiom commander or something
>Some random nigger comes flying while REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Starts to attack me while spouting some schizo babble
>Dies

>>23599262
>Didn't complete the test arsenal questline
Many such cases

>>23599297
Completing his quest changes nothing, though. He still randomly jumps in, shouts crazy nonsense and attacks you.
The entire thing is like a fever-induced dream. You just help a random guy test an armor he built from scratch and then on a completely unrelated sidequest where you kill some other random guy with zero buildup, the first guy shows up, spergs out because it was supposed to be him to do it and the Reclaimers didn't help and fucking what, mate? They could have at least bothered dropping hints that Shadow Taker was responsible for his family's death or whatever but no, nothing.

>>23599930
>He still randomly jumps in, shouts crazy nonsense and attacks you.
You had three quests before that one to understand that the guy was a schizo, what exactly did you expect? A two episode of Victory Gundam style flashbacks with Axiom brutality and laser guillotine to understand that the guy went completely insane in his pursuit for revenge?
Didn't the madman going into battle with an unfinished ghetto rigged arsenal not clue you in that he was nuts? Of course the Shadow Taker questline was supposed to come out of the blue and turn out to be related to it.

I've been playing this highspeed coffin the entire game and still works fine for me. I take its only worth to farm gear by endgame?

>>23600379
Pretty much. Until then, you can get by on whatever you pick up while doing quests and beacons. For lightweights, you won't even have access to the best gear until the very end of the story.

>>23600379
You simply can't farm gear outside of the endgame unless you get lucky with one of the Axiom facilities, and even then it's just some specific weapons since for some reason even on Gold cards you're stuck with dogshit like Pallas or Berserker.
After you unlock the simulator rematches for the various Neun members and the Event section chances are you're just winging it with some lucky drops from the story fights with the Neun.
Even there it's not like Hard even pushes you to farm that hard anyway.