Why the FUCK did nopony fight back in the opening invasion? I know it's because the writers are stupid and wanted the invasion to succeed, but having it succeed with virtually no resistance whatsoever doesn't make the Storm King look powerful, it just makes the ponies look dumber and weaker than we know them to be from the show.

At the end of the movie, a tornado basically decimates the Storm King's whole damn army. Rainbow Dash and other talented Pegasi can make tornadoes with little effort as of this point in the series. Dash and Lightning Dust alone can make a very dangerous one, and they had all the Wonderbolts present for the celebration. The Wonderbolts (especially Rainbow Dash) could've literally fucking solo'd the entire Storm King's army.

But they shouldn't have needed to, because Twilight Sparkle (the Element of Magic) and Starlight Glimmer (who the Element of Magic herself stated was too powerful for her to beat in a straight fight) were both present.

I know what you're gonna say. "Oh, the storm goons had anti-magic shields". Sure, their shields are anti-magic, and we know that because literally the only act of resistance we saw was Twilight shooting a shield and it bouncing the beam off. So, instead of just blasting their shields, Twilight Sparkle casts REVERSE FUCKING GRAVITY on them like she did on herself and Spike to get past Sombra's staircase faster. Now what? How are they gonna counter flying into space? Oh, wait, they're not, because we see they can be defeated by being picked up and dropped by a single Hippogriff later in the film.

As for the airships, we have no proof they're in any way protected from magic, and we do know they can be blown up. Starlight's magic blasts are way the hell more than powerful enough, she's able to banish FUCKING DISCORD with a particularly high-effort one and she carved a huge trench in the ground doing it. She almost always reacts to problems by doing magic at them, too, so with her being shown to be present prior to the invasion, why the fuck didn't she vaporize Tempest and her whole airship the instant they declined diplomacy? Or just mind control her, since she can also do that and Tempest has no way to defend against magical attacks?

I know why Celestia's useless (because she always is outside of the comics), but ignoring her tendency to be used to raise the stakes, she should've honestly done more than stay perfectly still so Tempest could nail her with a petrify Pokeball.

Also, did the Storm King not know that Flurry Heart's a princess with stupidly strong magic too? Where was she, for that matter?

And where is Shining "shields an entire fucking city from invasion by himself even while being magically drained by the Changeling Queen" Armor, for that matter? Why didn't he show up to the celebration? Couldn't Sunburst have watched Flurry if they couldn't bring her along for some reason?

They should've had the ponies fight back and fail so they actually needed the Sea Pony/Hippogriffs' help later in the film.

And then there's Twilight's stupidly out-of-character Chancellor Neighsay moment where she decides it's okay to steal from these filthy non-pony creatures just because they're not in Equestria, and where she makes that decision because she hates her friends and thinks they're useless, which fucks everything up. The movie is as bad for Twilight as Honest Apple is for Applejack.

>>42298740 (OP)
Yeah, it’s not great but I’m not reading all this shit.

>>42298756
I'm sorry social media raped your attention span to death with a barbed griffon cock, but to summarize:

Nopony really fought back even though we have some hard-hitters shown there.

The Wonderbolts can conjure tornadoes. A single tornado kills the Storm King's whole army at the end. They should've solo'd him.

The movie is worse because they didn't show the Storm King overpowering the ponies in a fight, they basically just had the ponies give up without effort.

Twilight is absurdly out-of-character for no reason.

>>42298740 (OP)
yeah i liked rainbow roadtrip better

Why did they blow 80% on the movie's budget on celebrity voice actors/singers though?

Why didn't anypony fight back? Because we obeyed.
Because we froze.
Because that's what ponies do when the sky goes dark and orders don't come.

You want answers like it was a strategy. Like it was chess.
But it wasn't. It was chaos. Screaming.
Celestia's fall was the first checkmate.
We had the numbers and believed we were untouchable, we were dead wrong.
We were so disciplined and organized even resistance was chaotic.
Pegasi clipped mid-flight. Unicorns gagged in inhibitor rings before they even knew what was happening.
Earth ponies shoved into chains like it was a script some monster wrote before we were born.

We weren't weak. We were confused. We were lied to.
We were told resistance would cause more harm and division.
That surrender was temporary.
That Twilight would save us - she always had.
But she was just one mare.
And when she vanished, we believed it was over.

You ask why Rainbow Dash didn't spin a tornado, or why Starlight didn't vaporize the fleet.
Because they weren't there. Not like we needed them to be.
They were trying. Scattered. Cut off. Watching friends petrified alive.

You ask about Flurry Heart? About Shining Armor?
Maybe they were taken out first. Maybe they never got the signal. Maybe they were afraid, just like the rest of us.
We don't know. No one ever told us.

You want the moment where the crowd stands up, where the horns glow and the music swells. But we didn't get that moment. We got silence. We got orders to stand down. And we obeyed.
We were ponies.
We believed in harmony.
Even when it shackled us.
And maybe that's the real lesson:
We weren't conquered by strength.
We were conquered by our own faith in peace.
And it almost killed us.

Anon; this is is not just a story, this is a warning, to you.

>>42298740 (OP)
>The ponies are supposed to be cute and girly. Being dumb and weak is part of being cute and girly, so the ponies can't be allowed to put up a good fight against an enemy force.
This is most likely the mindset that resulted in what you're talking about.

>>42298777
what is happening to us

>>42298740 (OP)
The movie was supposed to be about Twilight and friends travelling the world and making allies who would help them beat the Storm King and save Equestria in a giant final battle, but they blew the animation budget on celebrity voices and had to drop the giant battle scene at the end.
So that meant Twilight and friends just sneak past the Storm King's army and save Equestria without a battle-of-five-armies situation, so when the credits roll, it looks like they could have just done that in the first place and saved everybody two hours of pointless shit.
They Hasbro'd that movie so fucking hard. G%'s ANG movie was better than that, and it was directed by a cat-pony retard

>>42298777
Yeah, the Storm King's hating on the ponies really felt like it was the fucking writers at the end of the movie.

>>42298781
This, it's retarded. So all the royal guard, every princess and every pony in Canterlot plus the mane 6 can't fight them off, but the mane 6 plus a fish, a cat and a couple of parrots can?
Fuck Hasbro.

>>42298762
I think this movie was the moment that Twilight became 100% deserving of brutal execution unless she willingly decides to leave the throne and to be tried for war crimes. I mean, this was still before she sent a small little filly to Hell then celebrated her brutal execution, but still. I’ve hated her since this movie.

However, all things considered, she still looks like God, morally speaking, compared to Seasons 8 and 9. Fuck Josh Haber! Meghan McCarthy, you tried but ultimately failed, I would say. But Haber?! FUCK YOU!!!!

This movie’s not as bad as what came after. Still not worth calling canon, but still. My cutoff was Season 2 for forever but I’d say that Seasons 3–5 are okayish in comparison. Nothing from the Haber era is even slightly worth considering canon. I’m gonna say that applies to this movie as well, though it was at least a different crew working on it. The fact that Josh Haber even had a career given his obviously evil pro-murder worldview is honestly puke-inducingly disgusting and makes me wanna kill myself.

>>42298788
It's not murder when it's a legal execution.

>>42298783
It was a fourth wall-adjacent joke meant to make the dads laugh, but it just came off as too cynical and unfunny and tonally unearned given that there was hardly any cute stuff in the film to begin with. If it were a fun snowpity-filled movie, having a line like that could’ve been funny. But given how the movie turned out, it’s just like “Yeah, we know you’re sick of the cute ponies, that’s why you’re making no effort to give us any adorable cuteness.”

>>42298791
It still is, actually. It violates international law, real-world law, and God’s law. There’s nothing non-murder about it unless you’re an evil crazy person that deserves to be locked away forever.

>>42298795
How? Because she is a child? What, wait until she turns 18 or adult equivalent and then kill her like some kind of livestock? Cozy won't change. Rehabilitation is a meme. Her having 7 more years to live before being executed wouldn't matter. And maybe she isn't even a child, but some kind of wicked witch because she acts so different from what you would expect from a filly.

>>42298797
You’re a fucking idiot. There was no trial, there was no attempt to understand her, they didn’t care at all that she was manipulated into her second attack. There was no fucking reason whatsoever to kill her. There’s never a reason to ever kill a kid, ever. I hate you as a person for disagreeing. The only positive thing about the finale is that it exposes people who don’t deserve basic human rights. You should be locked up forever with no chance of release if you even for a second thought that the ending was even remotely acceptable.

>>42298797
You’re seriously a dementedly evil person and when we all die in nuclear holocaust soon, I want you to remember that your evil made this an inevitability. The human species is doomed so long as we have evil child murder supporters like you.

>>42298802
Where is the difference between me being locked up forever and Cozy Glow being locked up forever in stone for endangering Equestria? And why is only one acceptable for you

>>42298804
For starters, you’ve demonstrated that you’re an evil person, whereas Cozy Glow did nothing wrong. Secondly, prison is not death. Do you not get that?!

>>42298805
Technically, being petrified isn't exactly death. Discord implied he was aware while petrified, so it's actually a fate worse than death. You're just stuck in one position forever, aware of the passage of time and your surroundings, but you can't do literally anything.

I hate Josh Haber. I can’t complain about anything he wasn’t involved with too much just because what he did was so awful it made even this lame movie look like the classic Faust era in comparison.

>>42298805
Cozy Glow is also evil. She wanted to destroy or enslave all of Equestria while also ruining millions of ponies' lives with her wanting to steal all the magic. Even if you think the Mane 6 are evil, how do the other millions of ponies deserve to get their magic stolen or get affected by collateral damage just because the Mane 6 are evil? And yeah, forever prison is probably worse than death for people with high IQ lol

>>42298808
So they’re even more evil? Cool.

Seriously, I will never get over how much I HATE this ending!!! I wonder if Haber or any of the other Season 9 writers will be at any cons soon. Mare Fair will be my first con, but I may go to some more after that. I seriously do want to ask them if they’re aware of how utterly they ruined the franchise forever. A cute and innocent show about love and friendship turned into a pro-child murder abomination.

And without getting into it to the point that it breaks any rules, I do want to mention that this is indicative of real life political positions. There are plenty of people coming up with excuses all-day every day for why killing children is acceptable under certain circumstances. It fucking NEVER is!!! Why is this adorable show about friendship coming down on the “more children becoming brutally killed” position?! What the fuck?!?!!?!?!?!! It’s almost impossible for me to not think that there’s a legit insidiously evil perspective that was intentionally put into the episode as the “lesson.” A trillion times, fuck Josh Haber!!!!

I HATE WHEN CHILDREN DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>42298811
Equestria was literally totally okay after Twilight herself took away the magic in G5. And the G4 writers made no effort at all to show what life under Cozy Glow’s reign would even look like. But I have to default to assuming that it would’ve been good, considering how clearly awful life under Twilight’s rule was. Makes no sense that Twilight can be an unelected dictator but Cozy Glow can’t.

>>42298819
>Makes no sense that Twilight can be an unelected dictator but Cozy Glow can’t.
Gollyfag, you come up with the funniest sentences.

>>42298819
>Equestria was totally okay
Even ignoring the fact that bringing G5 into G4 discussion t is retarded, Equestria was anything but fine. Did you watch the movie? The whole place had shrunk down to like three towns, the unicorns especially were absolutely miserable.
Also, even if someone were to be "fine" if some nutjob stole their magic, that doesn't make the theft okay somehow.

>>42298740 (OP)
>>42298744
>>42298762
>>42298783

Dear Diary, OP was based today
-Anon

>>42298819
She was elected by Celestia who is a good-hearted and benevolent ruler and a goddess.

>>42298820
Thanks! :3

>>42298824
There’s just no evidence that Cozy Glow would’ve caused real harm, and if Twilight’s going to do the exact same thing then it’s pure hypocrisy. (Except Twilight got rid of ALL the magic. I know Cozy’s plan wasn’t written very well but she was going to have friendship magic for herself still. I still maintain that was what the episode implies her plan was.)

>>42298835
She used to be. We’re not talking about Faust’s Celestia, though, or even McCarthy’s. We’re talking about the evil child murdering one.

>>42298772
>it's not the screams that keep me up at night, Bon Bon
>it's the silence

The movie just sucks (other than Tempest). It's literally the most generic, cookie-cutter, predictable adventure movie plot I've ever seen. It even has the obligatory group break-up moment before the third act.
The worst part isn't even that Equestria didn't defend itself, but that Celestia's immediate response was to get help from the fucking hippogriffs, when by this point in the story, Equestria has multiple valuable allies that would probably come to their rescue (dragons, NuLings, the Pillars...). Even if they couldn't help for whatever reason, they should still at least have asked them, instead of bee-lining to where the marketing demanded them to.
It's super obvious that this movie was written during S4 and the script had to be forced to accommodate for the later seasons in an unnatural way. Almost as if there's a reason the writers wanted it to be a prequel instead, but Hasbro just had to fuck it up like usual.

>>42298873
>stealing magic, basically a part of a pony's life essence for yourself is okay cause it PROBABLY doesn't cause "real harm"
Do you not realise how fucked up that sounds? Stealing is wrong, stealing something that essential for no other reason than to have more power for yourself is a thousand times more wrong.
It's fucked up and wrong if Twilight does it, it's fucked up and wrong if Cozy does it, simple as.

>>42298788
Twily is innocent, it was Celestia, Luna and Discord who turned Cozy Glow into stone

>>42298819
G5 isn't in the same universe as G4

>>42298777
ponies are a bunch of sissy faggots

>>42298899
But Twilight watched. She let it happen. She even laughed at it.
Even though she had the power to stop it, she let it happen.
Hell, she didn't even reverse later on. Clearly, she was perfectly with how things turned out.

Still, I hardly blame Twi or Luna, since they are probably the biggest victims of Celestia's grooming.
Sunbutt and Dicksword are the real monsters in that whole ordeal.

>>42298909
Blame Haber for this shit

>>42298892
I have a problem with the “She was trying to steal magic so therefore she’s irredeemable” thing because magic doesn’t exist in real life and it’s not really made all that clear what it would be most akin to in the real world. Magic is used for all sorts of evil in this world. Can we conclusively say that Equestria is better off with it? I mean, it should exist as an element of the universe, but couldn’t limiting who can use it be a good thing?

By the way, the writers literally forgot that flying was supposed to be magic in-universe, as well as the raising of the sun and the moon. So when breaking down exactly what Cozy Glow was doing, it’s not really fair to her to contextualize the story in a more coherent way. We have to look at it from the perspective of the dumbass shit that the writers actually wrote. The writers apparently didn’t even remember that, so somehow, those magical elements may be unaffected. It’s just impossible to know because they wrote the story in, like, one draft and there was nobody left who remembered the lore of the show.

G5 actually did end up dealing with a few things related to the evils of magic. For one thing, the Earth Ponies got their own form of magic, so it’s no longer some inaccessible power that a large percentage of the population is just supposed to accept the others having, and then for another thing, there’s no dictatorial leader in charge of everything that we’re told is good.

I praise the Cozy Glow and Opaline for fun but I’ll break kayfabe for a moment and admit that neither of them are completely morally pure. However, I think it’s pretty clear that Equestria was such an evil government in-universe that both of them absolutely are the lesser of two evils. My unquestioning praise of them is mostly due to my sexual attraction to them, but in the interest of not conflating the two perspectives, I’m being honest about this. Their actions are less insidiously evil compared to the so-called heroes, and they inherently have more leeway on a moral level to begin with since the script calls them villains.

I don’t think Sunny and her friends really did anything wrong, but I think they’d have a different perspective on things if they had a better understanding of history. Certainly the evils of the Twilight regime should make Opaline a more sympathetic character. G5’s plot suffers from being connected to G4, and at the time they were writing the movie, there’s not really any way they could’ve known what those final two seasons would bring. The writers were then between a rock and a hard place trying to decide how to depict the past given how clearly evil we now know that Twilight became.

The unjustified positive view of Twilight as a historical figure parallels the fact that the film writers themselves were in the dark. This is why I think there should’ve been more of an attempt to work things out with Opaline and to discuss her motivations and stuff.

>>42298909
This. It was also Twilight’s inauguration day and she pathetically sat back and watched her authority be cucked by the outgoing leaders and the evil monster that caused the whole issue in the first place. She failed.

>>42298912
I do. I want to be clear that I still love Faust’s Twilight, and even though McCarthy’s had problems, I still can’t say I hate her at all. It was 100% Haber’s fault, but because he had such a horrible, evil view of this universe, obviously that means that the characters are going to take on the form of his terrible writing.

Just like how if Robot Chicken did a parody of MLP, it’d be Seth Green’s Twilight, or whatever. But you’d still be able to analyze the character from the perspective of the sketch. (Ironically, even a show like that would be more likely to have them be in-character compared to Haber’s dogshit writing. The joke would probably just be that other characters come in and kill them or whatever. The ponies would probably be mostly innocent.)

>>42298921
Hey, let's make a deal. If we end up in Haber’s Equestria and you help me rape Twilight, then I’ll help you free Cozy Glow

>>42298931
Deal! :D

>>42298915
When did Pegasus magic ever include flight? Do people not know that they have other abilities like standing on clouds, touching and forming clouds, controlling the weather. That's their magic. And I don't know if you are just referring to G5, but when did they forget in G4 that the sun and moon rising are bound to magic

>>42298934
I forgot to mention, but if when we get there she turns out to be giraffe Twilight, we forget the rape part and just kill her. I'm still going to help you free your wife, but I'm going to kill myself after that

>>42298936
Pretty sure their flight is called magic in “Hearth’s Warming Eve” and a few other episodes. The Pegasi also may’ve been grounded after Tirek sucked their magic in the Season 4 finale, but I don’t know for sure.

I’m not referring to G5 about the sun and moon thing. We never got an explanation for that there that I know of, but I can accept that it happened once all the magic was totally gone.

What I was talking about was how the sun raising and setting was used as a time measurement in the Season 8 finale for how long until all the magic disappeared forever. Celestia and Luna explained this to Twilight and talked about it as if it would just happen naturally without their involvement. In Season 9 we did see an artifact that could temporarily take over for the sun and moon duties which one could assume the characters may’ve used, but there’s no connection between those two episodes and pointing to that is literally just making excuses. There’s no explanation for it in the episode because the crew at that point didn’t have even the most basic understanding of the world.

>>42298945
LOL! Thanks! Maybe we can travel back in time and prevent her from ever turning into that in the first place, though. :3

>>42298968
How can you excuse G5's natural motion of celestial bodies, but not School Raze's when both have the same possible cause and that being the lack of magic. And magic somehow restraining the celestial bodies from moving on their own.

>>42298983
Because of the time between the two. There’s no reason for any of the characters to question it in G5, so an unexplained excuse feels more natural. In Season 8, it’s basically a plot hole. I know the term is thrown around a little too much and it might not be 100% accurate, but if you’re thinking about the sun and moon the way they usually work, the absence of even a single line of dialogue to explain it, it really seems that the writers forgot this HUGE thing.

I have criticisms of G5’s story, but we’re going to want to visually see there being day and night throughout the film. Trying to account for that is irrelevant by this point. It’s not irrelevant when you have two characters whose primary responsibilities are moving the sun and the moon with magic, explaining to the other characters that magic is disappearing, then just talk about the sun moving as a natural phenomenon.

It’s hard for me to even believe that an oversight that big can exist, but I don’t think it even occurred to the writers of Season 8. With G5, I’d be fairly confident that they thought about it but decided that giving an explanation wouldn’t advance the story in any way. It’s even possible that they had an explanation that might’ve been hinted at if the series had continued. We don’t even know where Twilight is even though Alicorns are directly called “immortal” in this series. There’s a million and one possible explanations and whatever the answer is is something that happened hundreds of years ago. Not the case in Season 8.

>>42298740 (OP)
The invasion was led by a smarter and more determined pony. And although her troops were just big oafs, they've done this enough times to be somewhat competent. Everything moved too quickly for the ponies to move fast enough. They have dealt with power villains in the past, but never a massive sky army assaulting them when they least expected it.
>but changelings at the wedding
Not comparable to what happened in the movie. And again, this attack was led by a qualified pony (unlike 80iq bug butt).

>>42298766
so it's hollywood quality aka shit

>>42299077
A smarter pony? One who tells her victims she's evil before demanding unconditional surrender? Nope.

>>42299763
I said smarter, not smart. Are there any actual "smart" characters in children's cartoons? Let alone smart villains.

>>42299803
Twilight is pretty smart

You guys realize this is a movie for small children right

>>42299873
And?

>>42299873
>if it's for children it's okay if it's retarded
Didn't know Big Jim posted here.

>>42299823
You think she would be at least somewhat prepared for a large scale airship invasion. And I'm being unironic because she's autistic with lists and preparation. She was caught with her head up her ass. Tempest was smarter than her that day.
>>42299873
Do you make posts like that in fetish threads too? Or just threads that you can't goon to?

>>42299873
MLP is for small children? I wish someone told Josh Haber that!

>>42300011
>You think she would be at least somewhat prepared for a large scale airship invasion.
Why would she be prepared for that? There was no clue that the invasion was going to happen, and they live in a relatively peaceful world, this sort of thing isn't common there.

>>42299873
its a show made for everypony!!!

>>42298756
this. nice autism, glad for you or sorry that it happened.

>>42298765
Rainbow roadtrip is overrated and boring its not bad but boring the only thing I remember is ponies lost their colour because they were bored or some shit

>>42300959
the 2017 movie at least it's entertaining shit is going on and the soundtrack is great sure it's flawed but still more enjoyable

>>42298780
ponies.

>>42298740 (OP)
>Why the FUCK did nopony fight back in the opening invasion?
Ponies are as craven as they're cute. This has been seen on how easy they fall to mass panic and their pathetic defense from any threats, such as the changelings.
>ponies look dumber and weaker than we know them to be from the show.
DYEWTS?
>At the end of the movie, a tornado basically decimates the Storm King's whole damn army.
A tornado with the full power of a staff that controls the storms. It's way stronger than the tornado all the pegasus formed to bring water to Cloudsdale.
>The Wonderbolts (especially Rainbow Dash) could've literally fucking solo'd the entire Storm King's army.
As they have any other threats in the show, right? Rainbow can't even deal with a Manticore.
>I know what you're gonna say. "Oh, the storm goons had anti-magic shields". Sure, their shields are anti-magic, and we know that because literally the only act of resistance we saw was Twilight shooting a shield and it bouncing the beam off. So, instead of just blasting their shields, Twilight Sparkle casts REVERSE FUCKING GRAVITY on them like she did on herself and Spike to get past Sombra's staircase faster. Now what? How are they gonna counter flying into space? Oh, wait, they're not, because we see they can be defeated by being picked up and dropped by a single Hippogriff later in the film.
Twilight is purple and has repeatedly been shown to be utterly incompetent at using her magic offensively through the show. She should realistically be able to solo 90% of threats yet she doesn't, a common theme with ponies. She even pulls back her punches against the Roc that had kidnapped Zecora.
Only Starlight Glimmer seems to be more blast-happy (possibly due to her sociopathy) and even she fails to do so when it matters, like with the cockatrices.
>why the fuck didn't she vaporize Tempest
Tempest was so far above the other ponies in terms of fighting skill it isn't even funny. She'd have dealt with Starlight simply by being a superior fighter. Which admittedly would have been both satisfying and cool to see.
>Also, did the Storm King not know that Flurry Heart's a princess with stupidly strong magic too? Where was she, for that matter?
Probably home, miles away.
>And where is Shining "shields an entire fucking city from invasion by himself even while being magically drained by the Changeling Queen" Armor, for that matter?
Probably home, miles away.

I don't know why people expect the same species who fold the moment anything remotely scary or unexpected happens to fight off any competent invasion, which they have a track record of failing to do in the first place..

>>42301936
ponies are brave creatures

>introduces more industrialized societies
I know Equestria has airships, blimps, hot air balloons, Flim & Flam, Manehattan, Dr. Hooves, and Twilight's machines from Pinkie Keen. But that said, the Storm King's troops seem to use something akin to diesel punk technology instead of Equestria's more medieval or steampunk technology.

>>42299040
Everything about you is arbitrary and you're full of shit
All you cope with is arbitrary bullshit
Fuck off

>>42301957
Not an argument.

>>42298740 (OP)
equestria as an army of roman legionaries wannabes (and theres probably like 100 of them in total in entire queendom, not counting shining armor who passed out in first minute of the attack), a bunch of wonderbolts who never saw real battle in ages, and 3 princesses with only 1 able to put up a fight, while their enemy has fleet of zeppelins, trained and equipped army and control over dozen of countries. no way anypony will batotai their life for an obvious suicide attack.

>>42302148
But dying may be preferable to living as the enemies’ slaves, since they would need to work harder to find people who can do their biddings.

>>42302172
>But dying may be preferable to living as the enemies’ slaves
That is your human brain speaking. Ponies don't think like that.

>>42298766
What do you think, anon? Big movie, big show, many normalfags.

>>42302291
Are you sure about this? Recall that in the alternate King Sombra timeline, our little ponies didn’t feel very enthused about working for King Sombra, but did so anyway. Perhaps they would have been faced with the threat of death or exile if they refused to follow orders from King Sombra and there may have been no trial by jury if they were to face military tribunals for the crime of desertion. There is also the S9 premiere, where he literally brainwashes the M6’s friends in an effort to deter them from attacking him.

So yes, our little ponies may very well have the mentality of “rather die on your hooves than live on your knees”. If being alive means they could be forced into servitude or even mind-controlled, death may be a preferable option.

>>42302449
theres still a difference between just a conqueror and a literal brainwashing hivemind ghoul king. with sombra their fate would serteinly be to turn into a vessels with no mind of their own, it was a war of survival. storm king would just turn equestria into another dominion as he did with that desert city and probably even leave former royalty as his vassals. and most of the ponies by the time storm king took canterlot probably understood it

>>42302498
>and probably even leave former royalty as his vassals.
Except the “former royalty” was literally left to be encased in stone. One could argue that this was to be more akin to Han Solo’s carbonite bath and this was done as a service to them to make sure they remained unharmed so they could be propped up as puppet rulers, but one could also argue that since Discord was never set free from his stone prison until Twilight and her friends came along, they could just have new purposes as statues in the castle gardens, like how Jabba the Hutt literally used Han Solo’s body as a decoration until Princess Leia came along.

>>42302498
Conquerors can still rely on the populations of the places they conquer at large in order to fulfill their needs. The simplest example is how peasants were typically essentially removed from political scenes as wholes and are therefore not very well-known about individually, but as a group. Because they only would be made to care about serving their lords, they may be indirectly benefitting tyrants if their lords were made to swear allegiance to them or new nobility were to be put in their place. This specific example was likely repeated numerous times throughout history, especially given how fast the maps of places like Europe, China, and Japan changed throughout the Middle Ages.

Though even with this simple example, this may be times where this more complex one may apply, but this next example is more relevant to our modern day and age where enough people are politically conscious enough to care about the officials above them, since they are aware of how they would benefit or lose out if certain people were in power. Since conquering nations would essentially make the rules in the realms they gain control over, they can essentially order their populations to be mobilized to fight for them or run propaganda campaigns in order to convince people to switch sides. In WWII, for example, Germany has done both of these with the Ostlegionen, whereby people in their conquered territories were either coerced or convinced to fight for them, since they could have either been sent to concentration camps if they refused to become draftees or convinced that the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to the Soviet Union.

>>42298740 (OP)
it rocked tbf

>>42301957
I’m actually going to respond to this and say that you’re completely fucking retarded if you don’t understand the difference between some irrelevant piece of lore being unexplained in a several hundred year timeskip and a gigantic plot hole that the writers didn’t notice because they had no familiarity with the world of the show. Literally impossibly stupid. Never talk again.

>>42298772
You ponies are weak. Humans would have fought back no matter what

>>42298921
At least Haber is gone

>>42303123
True. He hasn’t written for anything in over two years now either, so the odds of him returning seem nonexistent. That is good. But I still can’t fully get over his impact on the show’s universe. I mean, most of our favorite characters are literally complicit in child murder now. It’s just so disgusting!

Whatever happens next with the franchise, I don’t think I’ll ever be at peace with it until the murder of Cozy Glow is called out as being evil in-universe. Otherwise, I just despise these characters and hate seeing them. I know I shouldn’t let a terrible person’s mischaracterization of beloved characters ruin my enjoyment, but in this case, I just can’t help it.

>>42303192
How does this guy even live without a job?

>>42303208
probably smooches off fans thinking haber made the best parts