>"So today I'm not gonna talk about Celestia for once. Enough dumbasses already give her more attention she deserves for being a make-believe pretend-time goddess."
>"Nope, today I wanna talk about the short-lived by oh so sweet Equality movement. Boy, that was a ride."
>"Everypony was so upset at the time. Oh mah gawd! She done took away all them cutie mawrks! They don't got no more talents!"
>"Guess what. That was a town for losers who didn't have actual talents to begin with. The whole lot of them collectively generated a three digit IQ. Stupid ponies deserve to be controlled, and if it wasn't Starlight Glimmer controlling them, it would've been somepony else."
>"Hell, I can already hear your hooves on the keyboard typing out an impassioned retard take that's sure to make you an even bigger embarrassment to your parents - that is, unless your parents weren't already enough of an embarrassment to equinity for having you and praying to a freakishly tall pony who won the genetic lottery."

>>42305054 (OP)

>>42305054 (OP)

>>42305054 (OP)
literally WHO

>>42305354
Guy who really likes mmmm bananas.

>>42305354
You must be young

>>42305054 (OP)
Fuggen saved. Rare thread that actually made me geg.

I miss OG drunken peasants when these people were actually entertaining
The only thing close to that vibe now is efap

>>42306420
We should do a podcast together, anon. I’ll be the faggot that fucks fruit.

>>42305054 (OP)
This reminds me of the monumental butthurt caused by Feeling Pinkie Keen when it came out.

>>42306510
I love that episode. People who think it has a bad moral don’t understand reality.

>>42306517
People thought the moral had to do with religion but the writer shot that assumption down. If it was about anything non-metaphorical at all, it was about taking some kind of womanly, astrology-adjacent superstition seriously.

>>42306544
It was about spirituality and religion. Faust’s comments that “denied” it were still pretty clear that that’s what it was. She was worried from some of the criticism that it might’ve come off as dogmatic for organized religion, but everything in the episode is 100% true. Best moral in the show’s history.

>>42305366
And hot oil

>>42306551
It's about spirituality, in Lauren's own sense of the word, which is that 00s-era ladies' "I identify as spiritual, but not religious" type of spirituality. You know, yoga, horoscopes, reiki, etc. Probably healing crystals too, "you can't explain those and I felt it worked for me".
>We don't have convincing evidence hat aliens exist, but it takes "faith" to say that it's not possible at all.
If anything, this "rather deep" stuff seems to be more informed by having watched Carl Sagan's Cosmos once or twice, rather than inspired any catechistic revelation.

>>42306510
To be fair Feeling Pinkie Keen is frustrating because there's clearly things that can be measured about Pinkie Sense but from that point on it's just treated as this unknowable thing. 'I don't understand how this works right now and that's okay, I'll try and understand later' would be an equally good lesson for kids without making Twilight give up on science.

>>42306750
It’s about how Equestria is real and we’re gonna go there when we die.

>>42306761
If you read the DeviantArt post that's actually how the episode was conceptualized. It started off with a silly superstition and Twilight being a little dense, and when it had to come to the moral it got a supernatural flair, which inadvertently became ammo for people seeking to force their worldview. Once the story was committed to this theme, it lost its original whimsy, and Twilight had to be written as unreasonably pedantic and closed-minded to the point of self-parody. The only way out was then for Twilight to "give up on science" as you put it, or at least suspend her skeptical curiosity.

>>42306799
Faust was hinting the truth at us all along and we were too blind to see.

>>42306802
>The only way out was then for Twilight to "give up on science" as you put it, or at least suspend her skeptical curiosity.
It's a shame because I think those same people who complain about it would love it if the episode had a slightly different moral. Like Twilight's realization could've been that she spent this whole time trying to prove Pinkie wrong rather than really trying to understand her, that would be cute and more driven by friendship.

>>42306815
I'm drifting away from the original premise here, but an episode about Twilight discovering something new in Equestria, like a new star, a magical creature, or an unmapped location, could have been really cool. If there's on thing that exemplifies FiM it's the sublimity of the setting: little ponies living in a world that's too big and dangerous for them to control or fathom. That's the whole appeal of the Everfree Forest, in my opinion. Dragonshy and Boast Busters have this too. Twilight is an ideal protagonist because she actually has the curiosity and will to go out and try to see what's beyond.

Then again,she's a flawed character like any pony, and her snarky ego deserves to be taken down a peg. If that could be done without subjecting her to inexplicable karmic cartoon physics (which the audience cannot relate to), and with her understanding the world better instead of worse in the end, that would fix the problem with the episode.

I think “Feeling Pinkie Keen” is actually 100% perfect. Those who don’t get it just aren’t ready to hear its message.

>>42306510
People who don't like Feeling Pinkie Keen, Lesson Zero, and It's About Time are autistic retards.

>>42307243
I enjoy It's About Time a lot, Feeling Pinkie Keen could be better and Lesson Zero's eh.

>>42306443
Can I be the one who tries to make his own alternative to YouTube and slowly fades into obscurity?

>>42307244
What are your issues with the latter two?
I've always just liked watching ponies do silly things. It made Twilight more endearing to me to see her get flustered and be the butt of jokes.

>>42307263
NTA, but the main thing I don't like about Lesson Zero is how nonsensical the resolution becomes after season 3. If the whole point of all this was to groom Twilight into princesshood, then what was the point at having the others write friendship reports too? None of them were getting any princess credit for it. And besides that, the episode also doesn't really give an answer as to how the mane 6 should have handled the situation. It says they should have taken Twilight's concerns more seriously, but Twilight WAS being ridiculous. Playing into her delusions and saying "Oh yea this is super serious and you're really gonna be in trouble" would only make her worse. The mane 6 did the right thing in trying to calm Twilight down and point out she's overreacting, but the episode frames that as them not taking her concerns seriously. Idk, it just doesn't feel very well thought out as a moral. I think MMMystery on the Friendship Express handles it a lot better.

>>42305054 (OP)
The Amazing Atheist was funny in 2011, and I am prepared to die on this hill. He was always a pseudo-intellectual midwit, but he was a funny and charismatic midwit.

>>42307243
All great episodes. Neurotic unicorn Twilight is best Twilight.

@42306407
>this user is underaged

>>42307335
He was kind of entertaining, but the banana made him a legend. I doubt many people would talk about him today if it wasn't for that.

>>42307345
Honestly, it didn't surprise me that much when it blew up. TJ even said it in his Bananagate video, that most of his viewers probably figured that he was into some kinky shit to begin with. He always wore his degeneracy on his sleeve. He has said shit online that's way more outlandish and depraved than the banana thing. I think he said once that his most depraved sexual fantasy was to be served on a platter with an apple in his mouth like a spit-roasted pig, and the less I say about his thoughts on minors the better. Dude's a fucking degenerate. Even Vaush looks tame next to him.

>>42307366
>I think he said once that his most depraved sexual fantasy was to be served on a platter with an apple in his mouth like a spit-roasted pig
I will never understand that fetish. No amount of explanations or pics have or will ever make me understand what people derive sexual pleasure of it. It's just bizarre.
>and the less I say about his thoughts on minors the better
Every fucking time. What is it with Internet personalities always coming out as pedos?

>>42307427
To be fair, most e-celebs are not the Amazing Atheist. Even the Channel Awesome crowd shunned him for being too degenerate and antisocial. Typing all this out, I almost feel dirty, as I still find many of his old videos decently entertaining, but hey. Even Cosby was funny in his prime, right?

>>42307427
>I will never understand that fetish. No amount of explanations or pics have or will ever make me understand what people derive sexual pleasure of it. It's just bizarre.
They saw it in a cartoon when they were young and their autistic brain decided to latch onto that. Like your brain likely did with some cartoon creature that led to you wanting to fuck ponies!

>>42307474
I think it's ok to find something entertaining from a person you loathe. Seperate the art from the artist.

>>42307287
>after season 3
Oh, that's a completely different matter. S3 was the worst one in the show's running, and besides ruining things lore wise, it didn't have much in the way of good episodes either.

>>42307892
One Bad Apple, Magic Duel and Sleepless in Ponyville is a killer 3-episode run, but yeah the rest of the season is weak.

>>42307474
>Channel Awesome
Are these faggots still around? They were never funny (except for Angry Joe), and it always astounded me that they could orbit Doug Walker when he had such little talent to begin with. Was it the production value, that he gave a shit when everyone else in 2007 was recording videos from their camcorders?

>>42307897
Too Many Pinkie Pies was the only standout for me. The ones you mentioned were okay, but they felt half-baked to me. That was the thing with S3 too. It always felt like there was some pacing issue that kept episodes from being great.

>>42307512
I wouldn't say I loathe him, as I try my best to not be a hateful person, but he is not a good person. I also have a lot of nostalgia towards his old material, and it perfectly coincided with my love for mares, since I mostly watched him in 2011 when I first watched season 1. Today, he is mostly unwatchable; I can't believe he's getting more cringe with age. The guy is basically an unironic jokerposter, pic related is his current channel in a nutshell, except that is something you do when you're 16, and then you look back on it and cringe at yourself, while TAA is nearly 40.

>>42307898
Nah, they completely imploded under the combined weight of their autism and degeneracy. Also, Spoony was clearly the best contributor, no one else comes close, though he also suffered one of the hardest falls from grace.

>>42307900
>Too Many Pinkie Pies was the only standout for me
That's funny, that's an episode that distinctly fell short to me. Guess that's just how it goes though.

>>42305054 (OP)
>I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

>>42305054 (OP)
Let me tell you something. I agree with oldschool Amazing Athiest 100%. I'm a hardcore athiest. Religion is a fairytale at best and a destructive cult if we're being more realistic. The whole god thing is just layer after layer of insanity and evil.

That said, I would immediately convert worship Celestia if she were real.

>>42308463
we know you're a hardcore contrarian faggot, what else is new in your pathetic life you utter cotton picking buck

>>42308463
>Let me tell you something. I agree with oldschool Amazing Athiest 100%.
Even about the age of consent?

>>42308467
>you're a contrarian if you don't believe Jewish babble from a storybook written millennia ago with nothing supporting it
You don't even have the decency to simp for a white-created religion

>>42308501
God, you’re pathetic. No wonder Celestia doesn’t love you.

>>42308463
I like reading about the mythology, what traditions it came from and how it was shaped by its time. Couldn't unironically believe in it though, much less seek out arguments about whose denomination or interpretation is true. Those debates are generally a proxy for other issues, with religion being a useful justification for dividing the tribes.

>>42308606
Mythology is just a different form of truth. It’s a lost kind of truth that “literal truth” modern-brainers can never and will never understand. Faust’s MLP is mythology just like that. True truth that can’t be explained in books; it can only be experienced.

That’s what “Feeling Pinkie Keen” is all about.

>>42308613
You're not wrong. The people who told these myths thousands of years ago used them to hold their grip on the cosmos. The rules for planting and harvesting were told in the stars, and to reject myth was to reject truth, and as a result you would starve. This isn't true anymore. We know what the stars are, we know how the plants grow. With the advent of modernity, myth turned into a bedtime story, as it has irrevocably lost its authentic function. That's what's meant by the phrase "God is dead". You can try to bring back God, as many have tried, but it will be a propped-up corpse, a skinsuit for the thirst for power of whoever claims the authority to speak for Him. The question is whether you're strong enough to face radical modernity, or choose to cover yourself up with postmodern concepts like 'experienced truth'.

Jesus is Lord.

>>42308463
>Religion is a destructive cult
How can it be destructive if the theistic morality is fixated upon metaphysical maxims? If anything, Atheism is much more destructive exactly because its ethics are rational rather than maximal. Therefore, because its ethics are rational, who's to say I'm not the arbiter of this morality?

>>42308677
Cringe. It’s cute to hear the hubris in which you think you’ve got everything figured out, but the reality is that we know literally nothing. Being able to explain the mechanisms that appears to be (from out limited perspective) how stars work does NOT answer the fundamental questions.

When you look into things like quantum physics, the Big Bang, dark matter and more, you see that what science really shows us is that we know nothing.

You’re asking the wrong questions, then showing the “answers” to those questions as a refutation of the real truth.

Sociology is a science as well. It shows us how crucial mythology is to human nature. You’re denying you own (scientifically proven) inner nature in a futile search of some outer nature that you’ll never find.

You can spend your whole life searching for all the scientific truths in the universe. But like anyone else, you will die someday, and without a grounding in your own nature, all your life’s work will have been for nothing.

I used to be a fool like you. I used to hate “Feeling Pinkie Keen.” That’s why I say, people who dislike it aren’t ready for it yet.

>>42308718
nta but holy shit quit reddit spacing golly flaggot

>>42308724
No.

>>42308718
>Think! What will you have in 500 years?!
The fact... that I believed in Bigfoot.

Yeah, I dunno. Not a great argument.

>>42308743
I’ll be in Equestria in 500 years myself. Don’t know about you.

>>42308718
Don't fool yourself you're a humble myth believer like pre-modern man. People didn't believe in myths /in spite/ of physical reality. The two were perfectly married. A natural fact shook a myth by its foundations back then, and so it does now. Naturally myths adapt, are forgotten, are formed, or get relegated to metaphors based on what we know, and thanks to science we know a lot actually. By all means fill in your concept of meaning with whatever you fancy; I hope your cosmos is as beautiful, true, and magical as it can be. Myths, in this sense, are important and that's a fact. But when the magic stops explaining the reality you live in and instead stubbornly negates it, know that your myth has become an abominable delusion.

>>42308785
Faust’s Equestria is my #1 guiding myth.

>>42308463
>>42308245
>>42307335
2011 era Amazing Atheist was unironically good and worth watching. He had some issues, but he was actually fairly smart and sensible. I think it was around the time he started doing Drunken Peasants that he started going down hill, and it was 2016ish that he completely jumped off the cliff. Modern TJ is a complete shadow of what he used to be. He's turned his back on all the shit he used to stand for, and now he just tows the party line. His channel is the only time I've ever seen a youtube channel break 1 million subscribers, only to fall back down below it and never climb back, while still being an active channel. Dude has completely lost it.

>>42308969
I have a lot of thoughts on this. OG TJ fans seem to mostly agree that he absolutely peaked in 2011, regardless if they're still watching him or not, and I agree with this. I have heard TJ mock this notion, which is very much in character. TJ being TJ had a falling out with Cody, as he does with pretty much everyone, and since Cody was there during his peak and likely brought out the best in him, I speculate that he is simply too prideful to admit this, even to himself.

Then three major things happened. Gamergate, the rapid growth of the alt-right, and Donald Trump's first election. At this junction, TJ had a choice. Left or right. He chose left for the most part, despite the fact that the growing part of the left which were then known as SJW's and today are known as woke (two terms which I find cringe, but that's not the point) absolutely despised him for his anti-femininst and anti-Islam videos. Almost counter-intuitively, in terms of sheer viewership and clicks, he did peak roughly around this time, making countless banal responses to slop like Buzzfeed. The anti-SJW crowd ate that shit up, despite the videos themselves being shallow, tedious and perfunctory compared to his earlier material, simply because he told them what they wanted to hear. Because he was just pandering to a fickle and uninvested audience, this was not sustainable in the long term.

The combination of his views gravitating more towards the side that hated him because of the shifting culture, momentarily pandering to a fickle audience, and also getting routinely dabbed on by edgier atheists (see Atheism Is Unstoppable), the guy simply lost his mojo, and here we are in the current year. TJ is washed up, his audience a marginal fraction of what it once was, and he is largely viewed as an insignificant embarassment by other youtubers. Whenever I check out his channel, which is rare, the experience is always a depressing one.

But I swear, he used to be funny. I still revisit his old stuff, and while he was never half as smart as he thinks he is, he was really funny and charismatic. Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alvPppffh6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzclklHXXEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyxCD8hwisA

>>42309416
Unironically, I think him getting so hooked on weed was a part of it too. Shit made him too mellow and lazy, and he stopped putting anywhere near the effort he used to. Happened to Paulsego too.

>>42309429
Yeah, that too. The weed straight up pacified him, and combined with his boring podcast which he could just half-ass, he just got complacent. Not terribly surprising, dude was always a slob, but still disappointing.

>>42308463
I used to be a militant atheist like you, then I took a humbling to the mind. I get that there are numerous problems with religion in general, and with Christianity in particular (Jewish in origin, original sin, slave morality, and so on), and it's not as if it can be proven either empirically or rationally. However, I have taken a more pragmatic stance on religion in general, and again regarding Christianity in particular. I am not a conservative, but they do have a point when they bring light to how much society decays as soon as it abandons God. Why do people start to hate their own culture, hate children and ancestors, welcome invaders into their country, embrace absurdities like transgenderism, and so on as soon as they reject Jesus? I long since realized why he is so often depicted as a shepherd, as I have become increasingly convinced that the great mass of people are not fit to live life according to rationality, reason or principle, but rather according to faith, conformity and authority.

I'm not saying people should automatically just believe in religion without question, otherwise society will collapse. I am too much of an Enlightenment enjoyer for that. However, I cannot say that I am currently convinced that the world would benefit if everyone abandoned faith. This is pretty much what Nietzsche meant when he wrote about God being dead, and even people like Richard Dawkins appear to be coming around to this line of thinking.

Does TJ still do any of those shows where he takes suggestions on what to look at? I haven’t watched his shit in a long time. But if anyone knows where to recommend something, I want him to read this thread. He might be interested in it.

>>42309495
/pol/ fucked up your brain

>>42306420
For as much as I hate that guy I have to give him one thing, the people who he surrounded himself with were perfectly willing to give him shit and put him in his place when he was out of line
That's more than most can manage

>>42307335
I wish he did a prove me wrong kind of thing and walked into a college campus and had to interact with normal people

>>42309664
How is /pol/ wrong about any of that though?

>>42309495
>Why do people start to hate their own culture, hate children and ancestors, welcome invaders into their country, embrace absurdities like transgenderism, and so on as soon as they reject Jesus?
How are you not a conservative yet talk like Dennis Prager? Real question, if this is your worldview why do you not belong there?

>>42306750
people really took it so seriously? I was really late to the party and just thought it was a fun watch when I saw it for the first time, not everything needs to be a commentary on real issues
or maybe I'm just a dumbass and don't look into things that deep

>>42310237
>How are you not a conservative yet talk like Dennis Prager?
Because I look at every issue on a case-by-case basis, and overall conservatives seem to simply want to turn back the clock to the 1950s, which I am not in favor of. I'm more of a Nietzsche/Kazcinsky/Hitler enjoyer tbqh, and none of those were conservatives. They were all radicals. Stop thinking so much about left and right, and stop buying wholesale into isms, whether it's conservatism, communism, atheism, whatever. The world is a much more nuanced and interesting place.

Also, why are leftists so obsessed with PragerU? Those guys are soooo boring and basic. At least obsess over someone who is fun, like Fuentes or Spencer.

>shoved a banana up his asshole and took a picture of it
>now defends trannies like his life depends on it
Know them by their fruits, etc

>>42308677
It’s not a mechanistic function but an existential and social one. You can see society malfunctioning without it.

>>42305063
>part of the banana peel lightly brushes against her face

>>42310519
Ironic. TJ was always so opposed to any form of tribalism, yet he clearly views anything that isn't cis or hetero as his own tribe. He really isn't all that deep, just a degenerate lashing out at anything that could potentially instil just a modicum of shame in him. Jung said that all philosophy is merely the rationalization of the philosopher's pathology, which describes TJ to a T.

>>42310547
Good post.

>>42310371
You won't understand the controversy if you don't know what the 2011-2013 era was like. I'll try to sketch the idea, and others are welcome to expand or complement.

2011 was a very different time compared to now. There was a fight going on for the place of religion in the liberalizing America. Obama was president, but same-sex marriage was legal in only a handful of states, and recreational use of cannabis was banned everywhere. Boomer Christianity still had a strong grip on politics, so there, and in response there arose an oversaturated market of YouTubers dunking on Christian fundamentalism: Amazing Atheist, Armored Skeptic, Skepchick, Thunderf00t, Steve Shives, etc, as well as academic figures like Richard Dawkins. Reading Bible verses literally and showing how science proved them wrong was extremely popular. This was still years before the infamous Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate. It was before atheism got stigmatized with "fedora neckbeards", "SJWs", let alone "woke" Eventually the anti-theism spiel got boring and the movement fractured into Atheism+ (progressive, pro-feminism), and "The Skeptics(tm)" (anti-feminism, eventually aligning with the alt right). At the time though, it was simply the cool counterculture.

The ones complaining about My Little Pony and its following were seen as out-of-touch conservatives and soccer moms. There were numerous outraged news items mocking bronies. Derpygate got (falsely) attributed to soccer moms because who else would clutch their pearls at a disabled character in a children's cartoon? The fandom was welcoming to gay and bisexual people, and bronies were "redefining masculinity". Yet, watching MLP was also a 100% straight thing to do (even when many of those proclaiming this later came out as gay).. Especially when it came to transgender bronies there were only a couple really, and the concept of they/them non-conforming flat-out didn't exist.

This was the zeigeist in which Feeling Pinkie Keen came out, in the middle of the crossfires of the religion culture war. It was easily read as having a religious subtext, even though there wasn't much concrete about it.

>>42310564
>so there,
meant to remove that, my bad

>episode is about accepting that some things can contradict your world view and you don’t know everything
>impartial rational truth seekers get mad
Hmmm

>>42309495
Jews.

>>42310564
Good post, but I kekked at how your post almost reads as if Steve Shives was some major figure in the atheist movement, while Richard Dawkins was just a footnote.

Did we as humble mare enjoyers really deserve to be lumped in with fedora-tipping atheists in the olden days?

>>42310601
Dawkins's name was a silly afterthought, because my mind was on the YouTube cabal, and Steve was one of the big names. But yes, Richard Dawkins was absolutely a leading figure, along with the other "Horsemen of the Apocalypse". He also stretches way back, with The God Delusion coming out in 2006, and The Blind Watchmaker (his first explicitly anti-creationist work, I believe) being published in the 1980s. I haven't read either of these books.

>>42310624
kek

>>42310630
I don't know, I discovered Shives only when he became known more as a lolcow megasimp and Devon Tracey's favorite punching bag. I might be wrong, but I doubt he was as much of a heavy hitter as TJ and Thunderf00t during the atheist boom in the late 00s and early 10s.

>>42310564
oh I get it now, I witnessed the fedora atheism era first hand, just never connected it with this episode but it makes so much sense now that you put it all in context, gotta rewatch some videos from that time for a laugh, hope they are still up

>>42310491
>Kazcinsky
You don't think he was a complete hack? Kaczynski had a genuine supervillain backstory, being extremely gifted in mathematics, but he was also bullied by his older peers, struggled with his gender identity to the point of considering reassignment surgery, and became the victim of a CIA psyop experiment which drove him insane. With the blessing of hindsight, a lot of the Unabomber Manifesto was evidently written by a turbo autist who was mistreated and rejected by society.

>>42310723
Definitely not a complete hack. Extremely dysfunctional, yes, but his manifesto is highly poignant. I must admit, I have a strong bias in favor of geniuses who go completely off the deep end, like Ted Kazcynski, Bobby Fischer, Terry Davis, and I have a tendency to get lost in the rabbit hole of schizo conpiracy theories, so don't take me too seriously. I have never cared whatsoever about MrBeast until very recently, but lately I have become increasingly convinced that he is a legit skinwalker.

>>42310819
It speaks to the imagination, so no wonder that he keeps coming up as conversation material, I'll give it that much. But his theory of surrogate activities is out of touch with human nature, and the logical conclusion is ruthless social darwinism--a notion that seems to be lost on those on the left holding him up.

>>42308245
I am the monster in my head.

>>42306648
I thought it was coffee

>>42310836
>But his theory of surrogate activities is out of touch with human nature
I dunno, I think he kinda has a point, but in Schopenhauer's or Nietzsche's models of the world, surrogate activities could probably be seen as outlets for the restless will, which probably are a necessity to avoid insanity in a world where one doesn't have to fight for survival. I have my own artistic pursuits, which I greatly enjoy working on, but I can't help but fear that the transcendental quality of art is a mere illusion, and it's all just a glorified distraction.

If you have ever heard of Goatis, he can almost be viewed as a current year variation on Kazcynski, viewing everything that isn't directly rooted in primitive survival as pointless. Goatis is also absolutely bonkers, and is a pretty silly guy overall, but I have taken an interest in him recently.

>and the logical conclusion is ruthless social darwinism--a notion that seems to be lost on those on the left holding him up.
I haven't really seen this. Many Kazcynski enjoyers, who may tout the classic line about the industrial revolution being a disaster for the human race, seem to be acutely aware of the dysgenic effects of modernity. This topic is next to impossible to broach with normies. The idea that overall reduction of infant mortality may have negative side-effects in the long run is a tough sell, and I feel like a monster for even typing those words out. Nature is brutal, and while we may feel that we are done with nature, nature certainly is not done with us.

I am not in favor of authoritarian eugenics, just to be clear. If modernity truly is a dysgenic bubble waiting to burst, it will do so on it's own, and does not need any interference from the state.

>>42310836
Here are some cute ponies btw.

>>42310934
5 cute ponies and one gorgeous stunner pony

>>42310919
>in Schopenhauer's or Nietzsche's models of the world, surrogate activities could probably be seen as outlets for the restless will, which probably are a necessity to avoid insanity in a world where one doesn't have to fight for survival.
Just responding to this point in this already way off-topic thread, but this is something I've looked into lately, and it isn't how humans (used to) live. For our ancestor tribesmen, despite living in much less secure conditions than we do now, their world was arguably less survival-oriented than ours is today. Hunting was done in parties, but participation was not strictly enforced; it was encouraged, and had the form of play: it was fun to do. Exchange of goods (it's hard to call it "trade" with our current concept of property) was done in the form of play, finding a partner was done via play. Play harnesses man's fundamentally social nature, fosters cooperation and mitigates strife, and therefore increases our chances of survival. Ritual is in a sense the play pertaining to myth, and that ties back to the earlier topic.

The world of the hunter-gatherer was much richer in play than ours is today, with assembly line factories, taxes, and school exams. Ironically, we have lost the value of play. Ted may have been on to something with his denouncement of the industrial revolution, though arguably he really should have blamed the agricultural revolution, where food surpluses led to social hierarchy, exploitative labour, and war. Play is human, while toil and violence are un-human, aberrations from our monke nature and deficiency in our culture, and that's why I take issue with their philosophy. Nietzsche and Kaczynski did not know anthropology, and their personal experiences are projected on their perception of the human condition at large.

It's interesting that you hesitantly bring up art as a surrogate activity, too, and I hope the rant above somewhat puts that idea into perspective. pic unrelated

>>42311399
Interesting, but not too surprising. When I said fight for survival, I did not mean to imply that pre-historic man lived in a dog-eat-dog world where it was every man for himself, but rather that man that food, water, shelter, all these things were harder to come by compared to first world countries today. I agree it is silly to believe humans were rabid barbarians murdering and raping each other like crazy before agriculture; our status as a social animal with high levels of cohesion and co-operation is an essential part of the reason why we are at the top of the food chain. Regarding Nietzsche, my understanding of him isn't that he glorified violence in general, but rather that he objected to the idea of slave morality where one turns the other cheek and sympathizes with the conquered instead of the conqueror.

It's interesting and reassuring to read that pre-historic man may actually have had some type of primitive welfare system. This is one of the large reasons I don't call myself conservative, since I actually do believe in some manner of a welfare system, as long as it's tempered. Furthermore, I am increasingly becoming sympathetic towards current day commies on their objection against the eight hour workday, since this appears, like you imply, to be a novel concept to humanity, and that pre-historic and even feudal populations may have worked significantly fewer hours compared to the current norm.

Don't get me wrong, I am not giving up on art and music any time soon, and I am a grown man posting on a board about cartoon ponies, so I am naturally very fond of the idea of play. My doubts regarding the real value of art and music stem more from a general sense of nihilism than Kaczynski wagging his finger at me. I know that I like it, and because of that I will keep doing it, I just wonder if there really is a deeper meaning to it, or if it's just elevated hedonism.

Also, pony.

>>42310919
>>42311399
>>42311626
This is why I still come here. Where else would I find people who think and discuss topics like I do?

>>42311673
You can't properly enjoy an MLP episode without the necessary groundwork in tribal anthropology and Nietzschean morality.

>>42311673
Horseshoe theory applies perfectly to MLP. It appeals to the most mentally stunted individuals of society, but also to the most erudite renaissance men of our age who are able to see the kino that lies behind the stigma.

>>42310919
Do you like Jung at all? I find him to be such a refreshing dive into the complexity of everyday life after getting deep into existential works

>>42312802
Yes, very much so, though I am a complete novice regarding his teachings. I made a post a few weeks back about snowpity being similar to anima, and that Lauren Faust's iconic mare design being the closest man has ever come to capture the anima in art. Jung is like crack if you are into schizo mysticism, even if he himself allegedly didn't like that term.

>>42305366
lmao, I forgot his name but remember him for being the banana guy

>>42305075
14 years later I FINALLY understand the reference of that banana Youtube cartoon.
Back then I thought it was some retarded memery without being based on anything

>>42313926
Surely that wasn't the original?

>>42310564
yeah. as someone who leans pretty progressive i think the episode is honestly good and fun and even as someone who isnt a giant religion fan(not an antithiest or whatever, i loved learning religious history in college) it was just kinda of a weird message, not because "respect beliefs" but more because the message kinda should be "some stuff can't be explained" like clearly pinkies powers are REAL or whatever. i guess magic and shit is explainable in that world so idk.
>>42311673
this.

Don’t let this thread die.