Why didn't people like princess purple? I thought she was cool.

Her taxation 'reforms' and brutal police enforcers destroyed generations of Earth pony culture.

She was the first princess to say that human visitors aren't allowed to ride on alicorns because 'it's ridiculous and disrespectful'. Everything fell apart from there.

>>42312241 (OP)
I like her too since it finally gave her real character arcs to work towards. Unitwi felt like an aimless sitcom character which isn't necessarily bad, it just wasn't interesting enough for me personally.

>>42312241 (OP)
looks bad, physically
her short time on screen does not involve her behaving as a relatable human we can root for, and instead has her pontificating like an old fuck attempting to pass off their personal experience as wisdom
we know almost nothing about how she rules at that point, but what we do know isn't great, by appearances.

So sure, maybe you "like her", but what exactly did you "like" "about her"? Like, do you just like that your friend twilight sparkle moved up in the world? Is that it?

>>42312262
>real character arcs to work towards
Except her character arc was drinking more and more of the friendship Kool-Aid until she was doing shit like opening a School of Friendship and not even raising the suggestion of stoning Discord after he almost destroyed Equestria for a second time, essentially because he wanted to.

There are a lot of criticisms to be made of G5, but its' treatment of what would realistically happen after C&L fucked off and Twilight was left to run shit on her own can NOT be argued with.

wait, is "princess purple" supposed to mean "girafflight" or "alicorn twilight" in this context?

Which one are you saying you liked?

>>42312262
>it finally gave her real character arcs to work towards
My dog her character arc was literally the entire show. It was learning about fucking friendship. Are you retarded?

>>42312241 (OP)
People who hate Twily are jealous of her superior intellect.

>>42312269
>behaving as a relatable human we can root for
Was that how you viewed early season Twilight? She had a viciously conceited personality and selfishly imposed herself on others, makes sense considering her upbringing. I couldn't relate to her much perhaps because I'm not autistic enough to gel with her OCD traits, but I suppose I was rooting for her to change. I liked how wings mellowed her out and she became kinder. The weight of that responsibility taught her to grow up and act like a role model to varying degrees of success.

>>42312426
Name one specific imposition instance.

>>42312435
FPK, WWU, LZ, IAT are some good examples of that.

>>42312474
You've named an episode.

Ok, so, by "imposition" in FPK, you mean... that one test where she had pinkie strapped down?
Is that it?

>>42312509
Doesn't have to be physically, she was literally being a snob on a soapbox in one scene. Basically insisting her ideas and desires on others. The way she was trying to force herself in WWU and ruining everyone's work was frustrating to watch especially when she got rewarded for it in the end. Main character syndrome is another way to describe it.

>>42312535
Is the soap box scene the one from fpk or is that a different episode?
Look, you don't need lots of examples, you need one example. You still don't have one.

For instance, I still don't know what wwu is, cause that's an imposition on my brain and you will simply tell me if I don't get it, or you won't be understood, because that's cause an effect.

Now, pick one specific imposition instance. Not an episode. Not a vibe. Preferably tell me what part of fpk you were talking about, but any will do.

>>42312544
>still don't know what wwu is
Winter Wrap-Up

Twily is still Twily regardless of wings or not
I think she's a alright character, I have to rewatch S1 and S2, right now I'm on S4, and she is cute I guess.

>>42312262
What arc?
She was the same character from MMC till the last problem.
Preaching about friendship like its a deity.

>>42312549
You really can't answer a question, huh?

Anyway, lets pretend you did.
>force (something unwelcome or unfamiliar) to be accepted or put in place.
In wwu twilight attempts to contribute to like a bunch of different tasks as part of a local volunteering tradition, which is the far opposite of imposing.

>1. bird nest
twilight sucks using her hooves so she gives up and leaves
>2. pond thawing
Pinkie invites twilight. Twilight sucks at skates, so she gives up and leaves.
>3. animal awakening
Fluttershy says help would be wonderful. Twilight sucks at it, so she gets hurt and stinky and takes a bath at home.
>4. snow plowing
Actually does have to exert any degree of pressure to be accepted on the team. Completely fails to move the plow at first. Finally uses magic, which immediately backfires. Aj yells at her. She cries about it.

And that's the only time she tries to force magic into their tradition.

Seems like a weak argument.

>>42312535
I don't think she was trying to "force herself" in WWU. She was a stranger to town still and was eager to engage in local traditions. Even her using magic was something she was pressured into by Spike, not an idea she reached on her own. I feel like her intentions were genuine this episode, with her ultimate decision to use magic only fueled by a failure to fit in and a desire to contribute in some manner.

>>42312241 (OP)
>Why didn't people like a mary sue?
A real mystery

>>42312552
Her character got completely neutered when she got wings. Gone is her headstrong thinking and sarcasm, replaced with doing everything an authority figure says without asking (authority figures including A FUCKING MAP). Oh and occasionally she's a neurotic freak because Lesson Zero made that her only thing.
S1 Twi is so much more fun than later season Twi it's crazy.

>>42312749
I AGREE AND I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL THEY TOOK AWAY MY TWILIGHT

>>42312241 (OP)
I think no one would have minded it if they didn't butcher her personality, but they did. I understand she's supposed to have matured a lot from the anxious sassy asocial selfish bitch that she used to be back in Canterlot, but it's not a gradual change at all and princess Twilight should have given us an even more anxious, insecure, introverted, and easily irritable Twilight for at least one or two more seasons, but no, she very rarely got to exhibit those traits anymore and she became pretty bland.

I feel you must have been retarded if you didn't see Twilight either powering up or becoming an alicorn eventually, and even if she's not as bad as some faggots make her to be, everything surrounding her is a waste. It could have been really good if they wrote Shining Armor and Cadence to be guiding figures for Twi in this whole princess bullshit, but unfortunately they just were walking advertisement.

>>42313193
>purplestia
Even her design is a waste.

>>42312749
Yeah, I actually liked Twilight in S1

>>42312262
Topkek bait my friendo, you get a reddit gold for that

>>42313193
Shes so fucking hot though hhnnrrghghgghhh

>>42312403
That's the baseline arc for every single character by virtue of the show's SoL structure. Difference is most others had character-specific goals like Dashie and the Wonderbolts.

>>42312572
She went through a few arcs: Finding her place as a princess, building her empathy to become a more effective princess, following in Celestia's hoofsteps and mentoring a student of her own, establishing a school to better help the masses, then preparation to becoming the ruler of Equestria.

>>42312262
Were the Mane Six better in the Faust seasons?

>The early seasons were directly under Faust's control. Therefore, the ponies are the closest to her original vision.
>The early seasons were free from flandarization and tropes. Therefore, the ponies are closest to being authentic.
>The early seasons had better writers. Therefore, the ponies were portrayed with greater nuance.

On the contrary, the Mane Six were already victims of poor planning and Hasbro intervention almost immediately from the outset.

I answer that the MLP community was either too young (the intended audience) or obsessed (bronies) to notice these problems. Very few episodes grasped what made the entire conceit of the show work. The first two episodes show exactly what the show could have been in more capable and tighter hands. Twilight is supposed to be learning about friendship, and her friends are supposed to ponify the purest aspects of what friendship is. By learning from them, she is supposed to learn more about friendship, and that friendship is magic. How can she learn if she's the de facto leader? How can she learn if she isn't antagonistic (NOT a villain) towards her friends' ideas and beliefs? (Think of "Feeling Pinkie Keen" here as a positive example.) Why do her friends need to learn more about the elements they themselves represent, instead of learning a lesson from another?

Faust established a fantastic world and strong character foundations but ultimately lost the plot as early as Season 2 by permitting Lesson Zero to be created. The characters were already created with specific tropes in mind, from country girl Applejack to Audrey Hepburn-esque Rarity; despite Faust's attempt to subvert these (especially with Rainbow Dash), the Mane Six already felt familiar to the audience due to having a basic framework. As a result, many of the Mane Six were already one-dimensional characters without any nuance whatsoever, especially Fluttershy ("Dragonshy") and Applejack ("Applebuck Season").

>>42313363
One thing that I've had a gripe with since 2013 is what applejack does in the first special, I get that she's displaying her element of honesty, but is it so hard to just tell twilight she'll be safe if she lets go because the pegasi are there to catch her?

>>42313472
AJ is the weakest in S1E2, but that's not unusual. Six mares are a lot to manage in twenty minutes. There's usually at least one who draws the short straw in any episode where they're all expected to get focus. See also: Rarity folding on her Element in ten seconds flat in Return of Harmony.

>>42312241 (OP)
i like her
https://twibooru.org/1867886

>>42313472
>>42313486
>>42313363
I think the problem with AJ is that she really just has the wrong element. In general, loyalty seems a lot more core to her character than it is to Dash's. Just about every descriptor for AJ emphasizes qualities more in line with loyalty than honesty. Faithful, reliable, dependable, integrity, always abiding by her word, always wanting to help everyone, etc. Nearly all of her defining virtues are so barely removed from loyalty that it feels contrived for her to not be the element of loyalty. Instead though, that label goes to Dash because she... didn't ditch her friends for dead the first chance she got, which is the barest minimum of what could be considered 'loyal'.
I don't really see what makes Applejack and Fluttershy more 'one-dimensional' and less nuanced than Pinkie Pie or Rainbow Dash. Pinkie is just a gag character, and Dash has exactly one episode where her personality is anything but 'arrogant dick that everyone likes despite constantly acting like other characters that everyone hates'. Dash doesn't have 'nuance', she was just given a free pass to be as much of a dick as she wanted because she was Fausts favorite.

>>42312241 (OP)
she's responsible for g%

>>42314348
But isn’t that supposed to be what would have happened if the finale either had a different villain or didn’t go Twilight’s way?

>>42314682
If your judging her character, it would still be her doing it.

>>42313865
Every time I want to be mad at dashie she does the adorable tomboy voice crack thing and I'm in love all over again

>>42313193
she looks so ass looking like a janky purple celestia

I will always maintain that Twilight becoming a demigod was awesome and those who want that taken away from her are just obsessive cretins who only care about validating their own presumptions. Thus the autistic desire for a stagnant show with stagnant characters locked in an eternal purgatory of "muh comfy slice of life".

>>42315688
Based and true!

>>42315688
The concept is awesome. The execution fucking sucked.

>>42316023
Oh don't get your panties in a twist, MMC isn't really any worse than how Twilight bumbled her way into receiving 5 best friends in the show premiere.

>>42316050
Yes, it is. Even ignoring the wings the episode is awful. The first two-parter isn't great either, but it's nowhere near as bad.

>My waifu becoming a demigod out of no where with no build up was actually amazing and based and none of your criticisms are valid because you're just an obsessed chud that hates character development and wants everything to stay the same!
Twilicorn fags are pathetic. Twilight becoming an alicorn is not good even in concept, it's retarded and I'm tired of everyone pretending it isn't. Twilicorn could never be done well because it was never a good idea.

>>42316199
Not our fault you couldn't see the obvious signs throughout the show, retard-kun.

>>42316266
>Foreshadowing my retarded idea means my idea isn't retarded. It's never bad if I intended for it!
Never become a writer.

>>42316301
>it's bad b-because it just is!

>>42316315
>It's good because it's awesome and cool!
This isn't Dragon ball nigga, rule of cool isn't enough to excuse dumb bullshit.

Earth Pony Twilight is better.

>>42316315
Why would you ever want your waifu to be even an inch taller? Short mares are the best mares!

>>42316315
>it's good b-because it just is!
Imagine defending hasbro online for free

>>42316331
It's good because it made her a much more interesting and fun character. Awesomeness is just a bonus.

>>42316350
The canon height for ponies puts them at just below comfortable blowjob height, alicorn Twilight's extra couple of inches makes it more comfortable for her and for me. Just makes sense.

>>42316050
Faustrannies won't like this truthnuke

>>42312749
Yes, she's completely different character after the wings.
>b-but characters can grow and evolve bluhh bwuhh!!
Yes, if done naturally and with good taste. There was nothing natural about it.

>>42312241 (OP)
Dimension7Yo shouldn’t fit Twitter as well as it did.

>>42312241 (OP)
the way her eyes expand as she gets closer terrifies me

>>42317622
her eyes will keep growing and consume the entire world for there shall be only twilight's eyes

>>42312241 (OP)
Here's the exploitable by the way.

>>42317640
IT ARRIVED

>>42317640
THE BOOK WITH NO NAME! ONE OF A KIND SPECIAL STRAIGHT FROM FLIM AND FLAMS PALACE IN TROTTINGHAMS SECRET VAULT!

>>42317623

>>42317674
twilight wont like that ;(

>>42312241 (OP)
Creepy bitch

>>42312262
I can't believe she drank zecora's cum lol