so what were mom's original plans?
also collecting screencaps of behind the scenes stuff like this

going full anime

As is said every time in these threads, it's incredibly obvious she was just making it up as she went along.
All the statements she's made about her "original plans" are regularly inconsistent, especially the Twilight being Celestia's successor stuff.

>>42343760 (OP)
Getting a legion of simps to paypig for all her whims. Mckracken must have been using his left hand pretty hard.

>>42343760 (OP)
>Faust's OG vision is just scrapped Season 9 concepts.

YOU have to continue the mission. With the Friendship Is Still Magic Project. Are you ready, son!? Will you pack a sacklunch and some orange slices for me? And solve MLP!? Will you, stupid!?

Lauren is the only person with any integrity. When Hasbro said "okay the show needs to be bad now." she left. Anyone who continued to work on it declares their lack of artistic merit. Hasbro was committed to keeping My Little Pony what it is, a garbage franchise, the least respectable brand that exists. And My Little Pony is what ruined Friendship Is Magic. To the point I actually don't understand why Lauren even considered working on this. Everything she believes in is so far removed from Hasbro. I guess she was stupid enough to think "I can make My Little Pony good and respectable, little girls shows don't have to be bad, once Hasbro sees that they can be good they'll agree." Well no they don't agree.

Anyway, the expansion of the Everfree Forest and controlling the seasons/weather/etc are the base story elements of season 1, that's all there is. And technically the expansion of the Everfree is only mentioned a single time. There's really no other story elements mentioned in season 1 since story is only 5% maybe of season 1. So in terms of story, I think you'd have to come up with it yourself while ignoring the Toy Canon.

bumping

>>42343760 (OP)
>mom
This will never not be cringe.

>>42343760 (OP)
probably not as good as what one would imagine, like all things, but... probably still would have been better than what we got, even in spite of everything >>42343771 saying being true.
>>42344840
its fun tho

>>42343760 (OP)
what you see is what you get.
Faust got no plans, she wrote like 3 episodes in total.

>>42344840
What if we're not calling her "mom" because that's what she is to us, but because that's what she is to the ponies?

>>42343760 (OP)
>Twilight Sparkle
it's literally in the name from episode 1, how is anybody fucking stupid enough not to see that Queen Twilight was the point from the start

>>42343771
So you're saying Faust is a hack?

>>42343760 (OP)
I have a new theory:

There was a connection between Discord and the Everfree Forest. There was also a connection between when Celestia (thousands of years ago) became an Alicorn. She got her wings by defeating Discord. This was the original plan.

Twilight was going to become an Alicorn as well. But the way Sunny is written in G5, they based that on inside knowledge that that was Faust’s original plan for Twilight. There’s a reason it was going to be a literal reboot with the same characters. They were trying to get back to an idea she had.

So, Discord represents chaos symbolically and literally. I would say Everfree represents nature? Remember that scene where they’re talking about what makes it so weird and it sounds like our world (nature happening naturally, not with the help of magic ponies.)

So, I think it was getting at the symbolic statement that magic ponies can help us understand our world. Twilight showing people (IRL people as well) this meant that she became an Alicorn. But like Sunny, not a Princess, just a girl. The girl in “Princess Promenade” learned this. Being forced into this idea of a “Princess” from Fairy Tales is terrible. Twilight, Sunny, and that G3 girl (Wysteria?) as well. Only Twilight never got to have that story because Hasbro didn’t agree with her worldview. Girls have to like princesses or they won’t buy dresses for their pony toys. Shit sucks.

So we never, ever got to see her TRUE story. It was too controversial. It said “Stop buying these shitty toys!”

>>42343760 (OP)
>mom's original plans?
Faust has never said and anyone saying they know is full of shit for that reason. She's still in the industry, working with her husband on the Foster's baby show and PPG reboot, so she's not going to burn any bridges anytime soon by doing a tell-all about it.

The only thing we know is there was some nebulous "graduation" idea for Twilight. What exactly that means isn't known, other than presumably an end to the friendship letter structuring of the episodes. For sure, that screncap is adventurefag cope. The show was never going to turn into some epic high fantasy dark adventure with a tight season-long warfic geopoltical plot. They got $250k an episode, per the leaks. There's just not the budget there for something like that, nor would that fit Hasbro's goal of marketing set piece toys, nor does that fit Faust's vision of the show being a blend of comfy SoL episodes intermixed with one-off adventure plots.

In addition, the process of writing the show was a group effort. You had Faust, Renzetti, the staff writers, the episode writer, Hasbro execs, and there may have even been consultants in S1 for the EI portion of things. It's unlikely anything given now, after the fact, would have survived exactly intact as the different stakeholders worked and shaped the idea. Certainly, any idea of a warfic plot would have been utterly ground into dust by the time the script got approved.

>>42345432
>sanity
your kind is not welcome here

>>42343766
Basically this. Mlp would be an anime, with 25 seasons, set to rival against heavy hitters like One Piece and Naruto

>>42345055
Many great works were made by people just fucking around and making things up as they went. It's okay to not have a grand plan, but it means predicting what would happen is completely futile.

>>42345455
I have a theory that unfinished stories still have True endings. Stories exist in some kind of alternate universe. If you make a story up, you can learn how it ends by tapping into that world.

>>42345459
Yes we know that you're psychotic, the rest of us are having a real conversation.

>>42345459
broooooo that's fuckin deep no way

>>42345463
LOL!

>>42345455
Name some

>>42345195
>>42345459
*princess
*"The Princess Promenade"
*"princess"
*fairy tale
*It said,
*true

>>42345444
by Faust, I really hoped it would turn out this way at one point.

This thread is still here for some reason so I want to add to this >>42343830 Obviously Twilight's destiny is a story element but frankly I can't imagine anyone caring about that, is it interesting to have Twilight take over for Celestia at the end? No. These ponies are not real so I don't care, expanding the Everfree and controlling seasons is interesting. Which is funny because that's the only element the Toy Canon ended up using, the boring one.
But also, I know even in Season 1 Lauren was forced to do things. She was forced to change Queen Celestia and Luna to Princess, and forced to put a train into the Appleloosa episode, and it makes it all so tainted, when you realise this is all just a corporate junk product. The ONLY reason Hasbro wasn't more aggressive with season 1 was because Lauren accomplished their goal naturally by creating a new line of characters to make toys from, that's a natural connection anyway, but they got greedy by time season 2 came out.
The train in the Appleloosa episode is the greatest representation of what was going on where Lauren did not want a train, they wanted a train, so they compromised and had a train, but it was pulled by super fast stallions in a ridiculous stupid way. And I'm not sure but I guess the Toy department wanted a train but since that one there didn't really work for a toy they then made their own and forced it into season 2. Also Twilight Sparkle's balloon had to be in the show but that never felt at odds with the world, other than the fact it made no sense, why does Twilight have a balloon, where does she keep it, and then in season 3 they decided it's not actually hers.

I'm not up on every bit of leaked info and interviews, but I'm not sure there was a grand plan.

Faust's master talent, above all else, is worldbuilding. Every show she's done worldbuilding for has had a VERY stable foundation. Foster's (collab with her husband), FiM, Super Best Friends Forever, DC Super Hero Girls. Foster's has Faust's style all over it, so I'm more willing to give her co-credit for that than I am for Wander Over Yonder and Kid Cosmic. But Wikipedia does say "developer" for both of those, so maybe she did work with Craig to make those worlds come to life.

Even if Faust did have a plan from day 1 (the pitch bible has leaked, and I don't think there's a Master Plan in there), things change. I don't think the SpongeBob or Avatar TLA bible is 1:1 to what came on screen. Shows are made over the course of years, with tons of pressures both internal and external. Almost every show is uneven specifically because of how they are made. It is a rare show that has every episode made at a consistent level of quality and all building towards a grand vision.

I do think Twilight's graduation (the leaked art) was going to happen. I always wanted something like that + becoming an alicorn as the series finale. Maybe that could have been what happened if season 3 was the end, but the show kept running.

I think when most people build shows, they put stakes in the ground for lots of ways the network and writers can take it. Twilight is a scientist (telescope, Pinkie Keen), Applejack has a huge family, Twilight has friends in Canterlot, Scootaloo's parents are not on screen and she is basically disabled. It's a story that CAN be told, but isn't specifically planned out from the start.

IIRC there are a few interesting things about the finale:

I believe they said when they made the finale, they didn't know if season 4 was happening. Note also the 11 month gap between season 3 and season 4 airing.

MA Larson says the script he turned in was not a finale script. It was just about cutie marks getting swapped. The alicorn thing was not in there.

He's the only credited writer on that ep iirc so who wrote that part? He made it sound like every script writer on MLP was a freelancer, and once their script was turned in, it was out of their hands. Probably the showrunners tweaked from that point onward. There might have been a "writer's room", but maybe they just convened at the start of a season, bounced ideas off each other, then went home and wrote scripts without interacting again?

>>42345432
Basically agree. Except
>nor would that fit Hasbro's goal of marketing set piece toys,
New locations work great for toys (see the G4 movie).

>>42343760 (OP)
Aaaaand, I wanna say, again, the fundamental issue is that you can't make non-season 1 episodes of Friendship is Magic. Just like you cannot make non-season 1 episodes of Spongebob. If you make an episode it has to fit into that season style, Season 2 of Spongebob is better, but it still matches to season 1. Because the entire show was created to produce season 1 episodes. The characters and relationships and world and how everything relates and looks and works was made to produce season 1 episodes and when you dismiss the base of the creation it falls apart. That's why modern spongebob can't ever work, the tone and characters and premise and everything don't match season 1 and therefore don't match what the show was originally designed for.
You can make fundamental changes to things later on of course, but that would require skills, so, it would require people who don't write for 22 minute toy commercials. It would require people who don't bend over and say "Yes master Hasbro" and people who don't make Episode 100. It would require talent.
And more than that, when you get rid of the "ideas man", and ignore the "ideas man" just to use a bunch of "presenter men", you always fall apart. That's why Disney Star Wars doesn't work, because they don't understand the basics and fundamentals of Star Wars that George made. In Disney Star Wars balance of the force means light and dark, but in real Star Wars balance meant all light and no dark. So now you have two different canons that are incompatible. They cannot be reconciled.
In fact it's the same situation because this is what these corporations do. Remember Hasbro desperately wanted Lauren on board for the entire show's life. But as a fake "advisor". They did the same thing to George. "We want you to be apart of the new Star Wars... we just aren't going to listen to anything you say." Because they're not creatives, they are money-only people. Having this person's name would be useful, but we don't need their ideas anymore because we already have their creation in our hands we just need to produce more product.

So the plans Lauren had are obvious, keep making season 1 episodes for two more seasons and that's it. Oh, Everfree Forest, Elements of Disharmony, Trixie villain: great cool, it was never about a story. I mean what were Lauren's plans, concerning what? Twilight's destiny was an end series thing so that doesn't matter. There is no story, the only thing that would be different is in Lauren's world you wouldn't have a bunch of garbage, just like if any normal person was in charge and not soulless corporations. But either way because of the popularity you would have gotten too many seasons of the show regardless. And end up with the same marvel stupidness. The later seasons of MLP are just this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKYk3DMths that's the level they got to. Twilight Sparkle and Starlight Glimmer team up! To Fight Queen Chrysalis! Bring Trixie too I promise we won't fight.

>>42345680
???

>>42346420
You made spelling mistakes.

>>42344840
True... we should be calling her mommy instead

>>42346432
It looks like they’re all capitalization “mistakes,” except for the “Princess Promenade” one which had the word “The” dropped, however, shortening a title is not grammatically unacceptable. And the comma after “It said,” which I guess you’re correct about and I would add if I could edit the post.

The “unnecessary” capitals are stylistic. In some religious ideas, there’s “Reverential capitalization” that people do. I’m actually tempted to go further with that idea and capitalize pronouns related to Faust and her Ponies, but I’m at least going to capitalize proper nouns when using them to discuss bigger ideas.

>>42346448
Princess, true, and fairy tales are sacred words to you? Also, at least capitalise the "Her" if you are referring to Saint Faust.

I'm sorry I have to just say one more thing because I haven't let any of this out in years but, screw all the Hasdrones and My Little Pony fans. Somehow they have only grown overtime. You guys are all duped idiots. Anyone trying to claim that mlp outside of Friendship is Magic is worth anything, you have mush brain, and I'm sorry you do. Even the original smooze movie from G1 sucks, it is insulting to watch. "Well, it's just for kids, and it was made in the 80s soooo." oh well I guess it has to be bad then right? Along with the cartoon shows. I don't feel insulted when I watch the Jungle Book. I'm also not getting a materialistic playset advertised to me. The idea you would even show your children My Little Pony garbage says to me you're a bad parent who thinks their child is a moron.
FIM is the blade of grass coming out of the crack of concrete. A giant middle finger in defiance to little girl's shows just as Lauren Faust intended it to be, talks about it all the time. That's all, screw every disgusting greedy sick globe of crap who ruins the creative of humanity and stories humans tell, and screw all the mindless drones that think "oh who cares. just enjoy it, lmao xd." I hope you feel bad. I hope you feel ashamed. And I hope every single person who said stop complaining about this and that, I hope you watch G5 and just *sluuuurp* that right up, because it's what you deserve.

>>42346476
Brave.

>>42346472
Not on their own. It’s the context that decides their worth. Capitalizing nouns looks slightly less noticeably odd to people than pronouns, but I will be doing that as well in the future. (I’ve done it before, just not super consistently. It is the style that my planned Pony Bible would’ve had regardless.)

>>42346502
Please read my post, then respond to what I say. If you think My Little Pony is a good brand go ahead. Or if you think it's wrong to complain about Hasbro destroying creativity go ahead. Oh, right, this is 4chan, I'm expecting an actual response, what am I doing.

>>42346476
G3 is awesome. You’re wrong.

>>42346521
I read your post already. I can't comment on G1 being shit or not, I don't know, but I also love G3 - so you must be wrong I guess. But I agree that G5 is bad and I will decline to slurp it up. Millions of girls loved MLP before FIM so that shows that you are wrong again, not everything needs to be catered to your nerd ass. Just enjoy it, lmao.

>>42346521
>G4 is the only good gen
>Everyone else is a Hasdrone

>be me
>2010 newfag
>watch G4 because /co/ wouldn’t shut up about it
>itsgood.jpg
>suddenly I’m an expert on a franchise that started before I was born

Look, I love G4 as much as the next anon. It had solid writing (for the first few seasons), great characters, and a fandom explosion that was actually fun before it got insufferable. But acting like it’s the only good thing to come out of MLP is just peak Reddit-tier tunnel vision.

>G1 had actual fantasy and darker themes
>G3.5 was trash, sure, but G3 had comfy vibes and was made for literal 5-year-olds, calm down
>G2 was Eurocore weird, but had great designs

Not everything outside G4 is corporate sludge just because it wasn’t memed into existence by /b/ and turned into a fedora-wearing subculture. Calling everyone who enjoys something you don’t a "Hasdrone" is ironic considering you're parroting the exact same line every second-rate G4 purist screams into the void with.

You don’t have to like the other gens, but pretending G4 is some flawless magnum opus while treating everyone else like brainwashed sheep is peak cope. Touch grass, rewatch Rescue at Midnight Castle, and realize MLP didn’t begin and end with Faust’s Deviantart account.

>>42346526
You're right, I'm wrong. Very good.

OP also wanted screenshots of Lauren Faust. But I don't think there's a single interesting screenshot that exists. Yes, Lauren got the boot after season 1, yes she didn't want there to be advanced technology, yes she thought the ponies had the maturity of 12-18 year olds.... okay.
The main problem is that, back then when people still cared, every question she was asked was "What do you think about bronies, and derpy? hehehehe!" And then she would go off about how sexism is what makes little girl's shows bad and "we live in a society". And even if someone does ask her "what were you going to do with the Everfree forest expansion into Equestria, what would have been the end result and uhhhh how would have Trixie returned!?" ideas to final production are different. Oh and also she posted about pony farts that one time.

All of this is pointless unless you're trying to continue the original canon in some kind of fanfic. But even then there's nothing to discuss. What the plans for FiM were are all in season 1. You can do anything you want and stick to that season 1 feel and there you go you have a continuation.

>>42346367
Faust did say that the Sonic Rainboom was in her plans from the start. An animator drew a rainbow trail behind Rainbow and she had to say "no, I'm saving that for something else."

If you want to learn more about OP, apparently the person talking was the editor for the brony doc.

https://derpibooru.org/images/493794
https://derpibooru.org/images/493767

I wonder if these are actual info, or just fanfic from a brony who got close to show staff.

>>42345432
>The only thing we know is there was some nebulous "graduation" idea for Twilight.
What we also know:

-Twilight was supposed to get a boyfriend. Not a handsome one, but a geeky pony as nerdy as she was, which worked very good for Twilight. They were supposed to start as penpals, with the pony's geeky nature being revealed as a in universe letdown surprise for Twilight's friends.
- Applejack's parents were supposed to be alive, but in a self exile due to a magic wish gone horribly wrong (they wished to have the power to make things grow so they could be better farmers, but the wish also gave them the uncontrollable power to make everything grow- Big Mac's bulky frame was the result of hs mom giving him a hug, so they had to leave to avoid causing disasters everywhere.
- Spike was supposed to have a considerably nastier, more assholish personality and a set of magic dragon powers that randomly awakaned as the series progressing, with Spike having to learn on his own how to control and use them without causing trouble for the others.
- Celestia was supposed to be a queen, not a princess.

Also, the ponies were never suposed to be bipedal or use their hooves as hands- everything was supposed to be built for ponies, without any kind of human lookalike design.

>>42345505
Dragon Ball, One Piece, Bleach. Toriyama, oda and Kubo often admitted that most of the story was something written on the fly.

>>42346476

>>42346810
>Also, the ponies were never suposed to be bipedal or use their hooves as hands- everything was supposed to be built for ponies, without any kind of human lookalike design.
explain s01e14 suited for success, rarity opening the blinds

this all looks like fanfic

she's lurking this thread btw

>>42346952
she's not lurking, she is supervising this thread

>>42346951
The first artbook openly states this.

>>42346952
I hope so, she needs to be in charge of G6

>>42346810
>Twilight boyfriend
oh, you mean me?

>Applejack parents
I prefer the episode we got.

>Spike powers
sounds like it could've been cool.

>Queen Celestia
indifferent.

>pony world
this I wish most could've been explored to its full potential, though I understand why it wasn't practical for a tv show, much less one aimed for little kids.

>>42346476
Having watched essentially every bit of official MLP media, I agree mostly. There's lots of cute characters and concepts in other gens, but it's not G4. I don't plan to rewatch anything outside of G4.
>inb4 samefag

>>42348421
Of course you won't, your love for ponies is only skin deep after all.

>>42348442
Too bad your race isn't only skin deep, paco.

>>42348467
>muh browns
Yep, your pony love is superficial all right.

>>42346367
>S3 finale
The episode was heavily revised. Larson also said that, originally, the "Everfree encroachment" plot was in the finale before McCarthy cut it and used it in the S4 premiere instead.

>so who wrote that part
The show has staff writers who do uncredited work on the scripts. The story editor and showrunner also do this. Most "final" scripts aren't going to be exactly what the credited writer turned in.

>it was out of their hands
This is true. The freelance writer's work is only a small part of the whole thing. The process goes like this: The staff writers/showrunner brainstorms a season's worth of plots. These are short synopsis-like blurbs with any important plot things that need to be included. Once the season's plots are locked in, they then assign these to the freelance writers they've hired for the season who write the script. After they submit the script, the staff writers polish it up, then submit it to Hasbro and DHX, who then review it and make notes/criticisms. After it's revised again, it's locked in and production can start on the episode.

Pic related's from the leaks. It's part of the S9 synopses Haber wrote that would be distributed to the freelance writers, once the premises were approved and finalized. If the leaks are still out there somewhere, I'd really recommend getting them. It's really interesting seeing the "behind the scenes" stuff in how the show was made.

>>42348486
>he fell for love and tolerance

>>42346952
Hi Aunt F!!!!!!

>>42345505
>"N-No!"
>"Faust was like GEORGE LUCAS!"
>"She had it ALLLL planned out!!!"
>"Creative visionary!"
>etc
it literally is like prequel fans with fucking george lucas lol

>>42345505
Tolkien deisgned his world, but when he started writing lord of the rings, he was making up the story as he went along. He scrapped everything and started over several times.

>>42348442
Is your G3 thread on page 10 yet?

>>42343760 (OP)
So they tried to rush everything. That figures...I can picture the board meeting where she offhandedly mentions down the road twilight MIGHT become a princess, and they went all in told her "DO IT NOW" cause they knew they princess twilight figurines and the castles and junk were gonna sell like hotcakes.

>>42343760 (OP)
I want Fausticorn to blow a massive fart on my face