Why is rock dying?
And how can it be revived?

>>126669822 (OP)
Slowpoke

Rock already died
Now rap is dying
Even pop is dead (if you ignore inflated streaming numbers, most artists can't sell stadiums anymore)
If anything, rock is coming back, in a few years it's going to be more popular again
There are lots of popular asian artists making rock and getting popular in the west because we killed our rock here

>>126669822 (OP)
Rock is on the upswing. Rap is dying.

combination of the rise of poptamism, hitting a creative wall, and the powers that be despising anything were cis white men dominated

of course it can be revived, people would be so relived rock is back, you just have to get the machine behind it

By posting in bot threads (like this one)

>>126669822 (OP)
This thread again…

>>126669961
this thread has been made for the past 20 years.

>>126669944
>>126669946
Man i stopped playing my guitar cause i figured rock is gonna be dead and i couldnt find any good rock bands from the last 15 years except qotsa and arctic monkeys but listening to 2 bands gets boring fast and listening to 50 year old acts also gets boring. Thats why i got into electronic music but i wish people listened to rock so that i could enjoy cool concerts and jam with my buddies. Rarely anyone wanna play rock these days.
We seriously need a new huge band the likes of nirvana, peppers or atleast the strokes

>>126670007
Exactly. This topic has been discussed to death.

>>126669822 (OP)
rock fans dont want to listen to any bands that aren´t 30+ years old.

>>126670052
Be the change you want to see in the world

>>126670072
>discussed
gaslighting and stalking musicians isnt a discussion

>>126669822 (OP)
Because Disco won
Can't be saved. Maybe if country artists start going rock it could but that would suck too.

>>126670548
disco died and turned into electronic music and edm is irrelevant at the moment

>>126669822 (OP)
dead things are better off dead than brought back into this nightmare

>>126669822 (OP)
Its death started with OP pic.

>Why is rock dying?
There quite literally isn't anything left to do in a rock band setting that doesn't amount to some kind of novelty thing with no substantial appeal.
There have been various genres that explored the entire spectrums of virtuosity, themes, scales, production values, moods, group sizes, etc., etc.. For each of these genres that formed over time you had pre-movements, the actual movement, post-movements, revivalist movements and counter-movements . Any tempo that music can be performed at has been used before, guitars have been tuned to every tuning that is feasibly useful and there already has been any band composition you could think of, from 2 piece bands all the way to pseudo big bands.
For each of these things you had fusion genres mixing and matching various aspects of these, or fusing with genres outside of rock.
There isn't anything left to explore.

>>126670764
are you retarded

>>126669822 (OP)
Why do you care? Are you high right now? Do you ever get nervous?

>>126670764
12 notes man if we're out of rock were out of all music. Most of the stuff around those 12 notes is just window dressing anyway.

>>126670764
Theres always something new to be done. Take nirvana for example, put yourself in the position of '91- its not punk, its not metal yet its catchy and something new.
People just dont explore the possibilities enough. What i dislike about rock these days is that its divided ad infinitum into million subgenres, all with some kind of diehard small fanbase who support all the acts who follow the formula of given subgenre. Theres nothing gutsy, nothing real out there, something that would unite all the rock fans and headline festivals

the problem is that rock is not currently supported by the music industry. therefore all these rock revivalist acts have to have some sort of gimmick or mass appeal to braindead normies to have any sort of success. this always results in terrible music. rock is best when the artist is just cool and doesn't care about success. they do it for themselves and the music that reflects that. the masses no longer accept the sort of music that attitude produces so it stays hidden.

>>126675454
>the problem is that rock is not currently supported by the music industry

it's on the way back now that the industry can't get DEIbucks anymore

>>126675488
i'll believe it when i see it

>>126675488
>dei bucks
if only attrition were that simple

>>126670121
please stop posting this

>>126669822 (OP)
All possibilities of getting a new sound with a guitar band have been exhausted up to the mid-90s.

Everything after that was either revivalist or autistic metal occasionally mixed with hiphop. Or pop punk which was basically also revivalist or a sort of poppified alt-rock

>>126676511
It's It's same for any other genre though. Anything "fresh" by dumb hipsters now is just gimmicky shit or a mix of different old styles

No genre is truly dead unless you're talking about the industry and mainstream. And if you are, you don't actually care about the music enough to realize that being mainstream doesn't matter.

>>126676538
Well yeah most music today is just crossover shit, there's barely any recognisable genre music.
It's all mixtures of styles, samples, vibes from the past.

>>126676639
Yeah but like i said, i dont care about some subsubgenre formulaic act with its 1000 stans. I dont care about it being mainstream, i just care that a band has enough strength to their songs that they can get the crowd of 50k going. That its good enough that it consequentially hits some kind of a movement, doesnt have to be on drakes level of popularity. Call it relevance.
What is rock if its not 50k people jumping up and down to the sick guitar riff or singing along to the song

I think humans aren't supposed to have cultures that changes radically every 10 years. We're so used to the idea that there constantly has to be a new thing that when the possibilities are exhausted we think of a genre as being "dead". Was the music really ever good if we get sick of it because we're exposed to it for too long? Did medieval peasants yearn for someone to finally invent trap beats?

Musical styles should evolve slowly over hundreds of years with generations of rich traditions, instead of having the powers that be devise styles in corporate backrooms to steal as much money out of teenagers' pockets as possible.

>>126669822 (OP)
>Why is rock dying?
It isn't
>And how can it be revived?
Loud guitars and tattoos. Anything else is a bonus

>>126669822 (OP)
Rock 'n Roll died when it lost it's connection to swing and became Rock. Rock died when corporations took over the music industry and made the music sanitized and generic. Imo Rock can make a comeback when it reconnects with it origins as a dance music.

>>126676225
No.

>>126669822 (OP)
I think rock died for a lot of reasons, but the main ones being how a few companies have consolidated basically all radio stations and material circumstances. I've been playing guitar for years and always wanted to join a band, but no one has the space for it. Most younger people are living in apartments or have several roommates, if you want to actually make music your best shot is just being a producer. The only rock bands you really see now are overproduced indie bands made by kids who are too well off. I think rock as genre needs people with a bit more grit to than them, but they've essentially been priced out of the hobby, much less getting airplay.

>>126669908
no there aren't you stupid faggot

>>126669822 (OP)
>dying
long dead
Nickelback was the last rock group, and Chad was the last rock star.
and that was quite a while ago

>>126669908
>rock is coming back
you're adorable

>"Rock is dead" thread #933472746
Threadly reminder that rock was only ever "alive" for like 2 decades technically speaking. It stopped dominating the charts by the 1970s when Disco and R&B took over and Country got its second wind. People were already saying "Rock is dead" by the 1980s. There is a reason "Rock" was never synonymous with "Pop" but was always seen as an alternative to it. The point I'm trying to make here is that Zoomers are chasing a dream that literally never existed in the first place. Rock being "dead" isn't new, if anything it's the status quo.

>>126669822 (OP)
Rock more like cock

>>126670052
>quitting the most versatile, mentally stimulating instrument ever invented because playing nothing but power chords and shitty pentatonic licks is obsoletes

>>126669822 (OP)
>rock is dying

>>126677272
Flamenco, classical and stuff like that doesnt have a grip on me strong enough to go through learning those songs which are objectively much harder to learn than rock songs. Maybe one day i will try it out though
Id much rather play beethoven and satie on my kawai than learn torrega on my classical. In fact i do play my kawaii sometimes and i am considering taking piano lessons

>Why is rock dying?
It's old as fuck.
>And how can it be revived?
Why contain it?

>>126676639
Mainstream music matters. How do you expect any band to make better music if they're doing it for free with no audience. The mainstream successes in rock trickle down to their peers, like what happened with Nirvana.

>>126677096
gem post detected

Nirvana fucking killed it. Rock was always too tied to being fucking “cool” and nothing in art is more fashionable than dying for it, which is what the mythology of Kurdt is all about.

>>126678849
It's not Nirvana that killed it, but the engine behind alt-rock, which was genre hybridisation since the 80s.

So it's those underground bands like Pixies, REM from the 80s that 'killed rock' because they established the new recipe for rock to be transplanting a bit of pop, or a bit of 50s rocknroll but ironically, a bit of metal into a form that was as hybrid as possible.

Nirvana merely became a synthesis of that 80s dynamic, thanks to Cobain's songwriting skills. But even without Nirvana, rock would have still gone through the alt-rock phase and faded out afterwards. Because the undercurrents were already set since the 80s, there was no escaping that vortex.

Rock died when it stopped being badass and having danceable beats and singable choruses. Grunge was a fad that people quickly got bored of and then it was eclipsed in terms of popularity by post-grunge bands who infused it with some of the elements it lost from rock although this marriage was uneasy and not bound to last either.
It's why nu metal has been so popular and still is among zoomers. It might also be dark and gloomy but it's worked into braindead fun riffs and actually feels energetic.

>>126669908
Do you have any example of those asian artists? Like actually

>>126679022
blackpill

>>126677179
nice AI post

rock wont come back until places like bars and lower teir venues allow new bands to play multiple nights a week again. The major city I live in has 1 of these venue left from when I played, and the few bars that still do live music have a house boomer cover band. Cant git gud until you get your reps in.

>>126673517
12 notes is not enough. You need more than 12 even for some music that you don't consider weird or foreign. Barbershop is defined by use of a chord that's impossible to play with only 12 notes per octave. Here's a guitarist using more:
https://www.youtube.com/@BrendanByrnesMusic/videos

>>126669822 (OP)
People got bored of regular old rock music and it divided into a billion subgenres. It's like the big things right now are djent and shoegaze which are.literally just noise. Same thing has happened to rap. Eventually music itself will die out, and our grandchildren will be listening to the same things we do.

>>126669822 (OP)
sped up mix

>>126669822 (OP)
Nobody's ever made something equivalent to the sound of the Manics' Holy Bible using digital synthesis. If angular post-punk guitar could be replicated decently in a DAW the brits would have a field day

>>126673619
Nirvana kinda is circa-1990 PNW punk with a fancy new name honestly

>>126679274
this. its so fucking hard for no reason as a new act to get bar gigs for some reason,,, why tf are they doing that? whats wrong with millenials?

>>126682785
>its hard to be relevant
you mean your songs suck and youre not personable

>>126682857
no they literally dont let u get gigs in person where im at. All the bars do their stuff through email its stupid

>>126670052
it's really hard to find like "rock" rock but I really dig Big Thief

All of the actual arts are dead now. Everyone's just an attention where who doesn't have any creativity. E-celebs replaced actual artists among young people.

>>126682895
fuck the bartender pussy

>>126670052
>i couldnt find any good rock bands from the last 15 years
Here are some recent albums that are decent:

>Dungen - En är för mycket och tusen aldrig nog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vcWlt-M2E4

>Mdou Moctar - Tears of Injustice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cymY6_LpXw

>SLIFT - Ilion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgtg3vW6yM

>Starflyer 59 - Lust for Gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVYNxY5WpU

>Wobbler - Dwellers of the Deep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrWSZT5-tTc

>Weedpecker - IV: The Stream of Forgotten Thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HUtdx0jWbg

>Osees - Sorcs 80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XVdTxb49g

>The War on Drugs - I Don't Live Here Anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_20S2J8SQ

>The Holydrug Couple - Crossword I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_1akc4SGiE

>Föllakzoid - V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PNNeBMrjY

>Black Mountain - Destroyer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsO8_FZCMcU

>Unknown Mortal Orchestra - IC-02 Bogotá
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfFpV16gO9M

>Ducktails - The Cradle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kNmVFy6mCs

>Hum - Inlet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHBtsPxEP8

>>126683037
Music was the last to go, books and paintings have also been lacking for decades, people will be listening to music from the album era hundreds of years from now the same way we choose to read classic literature

>>126669822 (OP)
Rock isn't dead it's just not mainstream

I saw "Suicidal Tendencies", Pantera, and Metallica a week ago at a 70K seat stadium. Rock isn't "DEAD", it's just not mainstream pop enough to be on the Grammys

>>126683037
no one but Pajeets cares about e-celebs

>>126670052
The Struts, Greta Van Fleet, Dirty Honey

>>126678849
>Nirvana fucking killed it
Fucking THIS. EVERYONE had to follow the WAHHHHH I HATE MY LIFE WAHHHH MY MOM AND DAD ARE GHEY

Metallica's Black Album just got certified double diamond in America

Rock isn't dead....but the days of a legendary Rock album coming out are definitely dead

>>126683660
What are you talking about? There has to be at least one being released every month

>>126683707
Like what? Nothing in recent years has been as HUGE as Pet Sounds or Dark Side Of The Moon

>>126683728
>like what
kek imagine expecting to be spoonfed good music in this economy

>>126683450
>"Suicidal Tendencies", Pantera, and Metallica
They're all past the age of 50 with mulitple dead band members. The "Pantera" of today is only half of Pantera, and the worse half to boot.

>>126683759
Zakk Wylde kicked ass

>>126683728
The new King Gizz Album, and yeah usually I'd say King Gizz is kinda trash and a Reddit band but their latest one is actually pretty good

>>126683755
Show me. Bet what you're thinking of his faggoty hipster neckbeard vegan onions latte bullshit like arcade fire

>>126683790
are you asking me to name my price?

>>126683776
It's GOOD but not LEGENDARY....then again you need more time to determine perhaps

>>126683728
>Like what?
There was a big list of albums posted a few posts above yours, ya know.

>>126669822 (OP)
>Why is rock dying?
rock is only dead in western countries and only because the powers that be decided to kill it. rock still has life outside of the anglosphere:
https://youtu.be/JUHgTYLyYuc?si=nCZhuBPGtkagov3P

aaand here come the third worlder who doesn't understand context because he barely knows english that's here to ruin the thread yet again...

>>126683802
Actual rock. Not basedshit

>>126684018
What?

>>126684047
he wants fda approved basedgoyslop
you know, the kind of stuff thats makes chuds turrn on chads

>>126684047
>>126684064
Actual rock. Not manbun vegan latte horseshit

>>126669822 (OP)
Post a poster at a record store, go to university / college clubs or find facebook groups. You can find people there. Network with other groups you come across and then you have a scene going. Still trying to pull the strings for the 2nd.

>>126670764
People want to see rock bands live. Like it's simple as that.

>>126669946
Throw in Shills, Astroturfing, Low amount of mainstream rock bands since the early 2010s, The Vine Invasion and "Zoomer Culture" (normalization of making shoegaze with "Type Beats" and "Indie" musicians sampling Alex G, Brainwashing through irony, trannies, non-binaries, TikTok, Cringe Culture, dismissing everything as corny)

>>126684091
rock actual coming across isnt free

>>126684091

>>126684064
>>126684091
You're not setting any parameters for what you could mean. Harder "rock" would be more akin to metal.

>>126670764
>NOTHING LEFT TO DO
How about just make ROCK MUSIC.

No gay trendy micro niche shit.
Rock is ‘dead’ because all these faggots wanna do limp wrist demarco rock or gay polyphia metal or sleep token r&b imagine dragons fag shit or chill tame impala shit.

ROCK is literally right down the MIDDLE.
& No one has been doing that since the early 2000’s apparently.

Literally bands like JET, QOTSA, FOO FIGHTERS, WOLFMOTHER.
Actual rock bands.

The problem is lack of testosterone and thinking it’s corny to play loud and simple with choruses that fuck.

Zoomers love to be overly sensitive DIY poor larp ‘please discover me’ fags instead of just owning up to ‘WANTING TO BE YHE BIGGEST BAND IN THE WORLD’ and owning it. These fags don’t want success nor do they have the energy to want to change the world.

>>126684160
gods a woman bro

>>126676824
This guy gets it. Rock n roll will thrive again once musicians start treating it as an actual tradition, as it's been long enough to call it that. I love 90s alt rock, but I find it much more valuable to ''study the masters'' of the 50s, 60s and 70s so I can create music with a timeless universal quality. Ironically, that's what the best 90s musicians did.

>>126684166
>JET, FOO FIGHTERS, WOLFMOTHER
those bands are fucking dogshit lmao. and you want more of that?

>>126684166
thats an effective chatbot, but kindly kill yourself and fuck off you insufferable monkey faggot parasite

>>126684201
I think he wants Rock music with balls again.

>>126684212
All of those are dad rock and tame as fuck, though. No balls to be found.

>>126684218
tame as fuck compared to harder stuff it still doesn't negate the point.

>>126684212
He's saying he wants to rock someone's balls? That's kinda gay bro

>>126684218
jet was pretty cool to be fair

>>126684228
you know what I mean

>>126684212
this is such obvious bait kek

>>126684228
post tits

>>126677299
What's fun about the guitar is that it accompanies your singing, that's what it's for, really. Playing popular guitar as a singlet will get boring unless you have autism.

>>126684234
not baiting I'm serious. people are sick of all the faggy shit.

>>126684224
Yeah, it does. Picking a bunch of practically pop rock bands is not an example of "better rock in the past". You're clueless.

>>126684218
Better than that faggy Strumbellas, X Ambassador, Imagine Dragon bullshit

>>126684201
Do I want to hear a zoomers take on actual ROCK music?
Yes you faggot that’s exactly what’s missing.
‘Dogshit bands’ Ok well what about when a zoomer tries to emulate them instead or make some shoegaze Fl studio deftones bullshit?!
Accidental magic?
Better than fucking nothing you faggot we need massive change obviously.
Zoomers are afraid of everything.
Wahwah it’s too corny wahwah it sounds cringe. Fuck off.

>>126684277
youre arguing against the principle though loser

>>126684287
But not by much, they're practically on par in terms of shit. I guess I'd rather listen to Foo Fighers over Imagine Dragons if forced to, but only if I could pick the album. Their recent stuff is as bad as Imagine Dragons, so who cares at this point?

>>126678950
Rock n Roll has always been a hybrid, you fool, that's almost what defines it in the first place. A mix of blues, country and folk at first, but just listen to your average Beatles album, how many genres can you list there...

>>126684294
>appeasement
gay

>>126684303
What principle? That it was bad before and it's bad now, so we should go back to what was bad then? You have no argument, and are clueless to actual rock music.

>>126684304
Yeah nothing says rock like mandolins and stomp clap HEY

>>126684315
stop raping kids

>>126684305
>you have to try new things to be talented
get out

>>126669822 (OP)
Rock is basically dead but isn't Metalcore the new rock? So therefore Zoomers are doing some cool rock music they just gave it another name.

>>126684294
this

see below. This is how i've rock gotten groups together recently.
>>126684113

>>126684328
better than FL Studio shit. Sybau. ts ain't tuff.

>>126678849
How tf did nirvana kill rock? Rock was popular for like 20 years after Kurt died

>>126683386
I refuse to believe that, this is the modern era goddamint, and pop music (also cinema) is the gem of modernity. It's the best the 20th century has to offer in terms of art, and you're telling me we can't even have that???? God I hope video games can foot the bill, fuck this century.

>>126684357
>modernity is good
this is an 18+ forum you fucking pseud

>>126684352
>Rock was popular for like 20 years after Kurt died
No it wasn't. Rock hasn't been truly mainstream since the 70s anon. The biggest songs of the 90s aren't rock songs. The biggest 90s acts were Spice Girls and Santana

There is going to be a rock revival when country starts slowing down and the AI shit is ramped up.

>>126684349
metalcore has been around for decades. We aren't doing cool rock music.

>>126684357
>>126683386
as long as people want to make music there will be good shit. We are in a grim period but enough people are angry. There is still good shit out there .

>>126684329
>non sequitur
Concession accepted.

>>126684375
>lack of innovation le good
>stagnation is good actually

>>126684388
>we arent doing cool rock music
hows it feel to be in the wrong camp

>>126684397
post address

>>126684400
youre brown

>>126684403
like being stuck in a CIA torture camp for 8 years

>>126684422
cope
Whiter than you

>>126684442
i hear your nasally tone from here

>>126684375
Never said it was good, I'm no fan of it. But AT LEAST it has pop and cinema to offer. If it doesn't have that even, guess you'll find me in the woods or something.

>>126684377
Goo Goo Dolls, Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind were all extremely popular in the late 90's.

>>126684483
there is no cinema niether here or in high culture, and pop certainly doesnt attain

>Rock NEEDS to dominate the music charts
>Why? Because...because it just does OKAY???
Why can't we just let the music speak for itself?

>>126684519
why are you trying to speak for the music

Might as well dump more for future reference in this shit thread. Not even all entirely rock.

>Deafheaven - Lonely People With Power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c967jFDXv8Q

>The Strokes - The New Abnormal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826mxiKjoP0

>Black Country, New Road - Forever Howlong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZvV5ejmDVo

>King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Flight b741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BDHUi8XZr0

>Psychedelic Porn Crumpets - Carpe Diem, Moonman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6aEBfv16E

>Swans - Birthing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAWGyuYAUc

>Hot Mulligan - Why Would I Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxudr5oUo3I

>The Story So Far - I Want to Disappear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k6e05ueIY0

>>126684542
all bad music, simple as

>Polymoon - Chrysalis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHCUkEv4HA