Isn't it strange that mainstream media completely discredited mariah carey legacy?
Even Jennifer Lopez is more respected than her.

>>126720298 (OP)
How did they do that

>>126720298 (OP)
She has the most nuttable face I’ve ever seen. I just want to bust a fat load all over her face

>>126720298 (OP)
Mariah discredited herself by being a turbo diva bitch nobody likes plus she wrecked her voice a long time ago.

>>126720298 (OP)
Objectively the best female pop singer of all time.

she stole "genius of love" back when stealing was still frowned upon. should have waited.
>>126720385
yup

now thinking about it
even lorde, lana del rey, bjork and mary j blige get more respect lol

>>126720385
This
She's the most insufferable self-entitled hoe in the showbizz, just read an interview with her
Not even Michael was so conceited

>>126720298 (OP)
She should gib me milkies

my one friend encountered her once when he was working in a shop in LA

>Mariah comes in surrounded by i guess her bodyguards
>they're yelling "Do not approach Ms. Carey. Do not attempt to talk to Ms. Carey or there will be lawsuits."
>and after all that he said the bitch just used the bathroom and didn't even buy anything

female pitbull

>>126720298 (OP)
I want to fuck Mariah so bad, she's smoking

>>126720700
>I want to fuck Mariah so bad
...in 1994

>>126720298 (OP)
I used to think she was the ultimate singer as a kid (thanks American Idol, X-Factor, etc). In retrospect, I now laugh when I look at her live performances. Her tone is cool, but her delivery is so ridiculous, over the top showboating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Nxc1BM3Pc

>>126720513
>just read an interview with her
Beyonce's handlers are smarter and limit her from giving many interviews at all.

>>126720733
That era was the return of 50s-style "hey look at these notes I can hit" pop singing but without any of the taste and class they had in the 50s.

>>126720733
>>126720740
Whitney started this crap pretty much.

Sure she's insufferable, but so were plenty of other stars and we still talk about them. I think it's actually the fact that her biggest hit is a corny sleigh-bell driven 60s pastiche that we don't listen to at all for 11 months and then suddenly hear every single day until we wish we were dead. The fact that she's hands down the greatest singer of all time and Always Be My Baby is a perfect pop song doesn't even seem to matter because of that fucking Christmas song.

I honestly liked her 90-95 AC sound better and think it didn't work very good when she went to R&B.

>>126720760
Then again a lot of very talented '50s singers were also reduced to that one overplayed Christmas song you hear for a few weeks every year so meh.

>>126720298 (OP)
She has a new song out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NPe8d6n8qU

>>126720760
celine, whitney and diana ross mogs her badly

>>126720868
None of them are as hot as Mariah

>>126720937
yet shes not hot enough to be memorable

>>126720937
fergie looks better

>>126720733
it was a different time

>>126720837
this is why she isn't sitting on legacy yet imo
maybe if she would've just quit, the same thing has happened to madonna, more people rn remember their fall and later lackluster releases than people remember their peak. hard to leave a legacy as a female performer unless they were the face of a huge cultural shift like madonna or britney. i mean we don't talk about donna summer or barbra streisand, diana ross, olivia newton john, linda ronstadt, cher, TLC. All giant acts, all borderline memory holed and more remembered for their cult of personality than their music. even adele, and she's not even old yet, who talks about adele? i wonder how many people here could even name all of these, and then how many of those could name a song or two from each

>>126723554
wrong file

>>126723554
all the artists you named still gets better treatment and respect than mariah carey

>>126723791
except barbra, maybe it is just because they're bitches

>>126723554
>i mean we don't talk about donna summer or barbra streisand, diana ross, olivia newton john, linda ronstadt, cher, TLC. All giant acts, all borderline memory holed and more remembered for their cult of personality than their music. even adele, and she's not even old yet, who talks about adele? i wonder how many people here could even name all of these, and then how many of those could name a song or two from each

>Donna Summer
Bad Girls
>Barbra Streisand
The Way We Were
Diana Ross
Upside Down
>Olivia Newton-John
Physical
>Cher
Half Breed
>TLC
Waterfalls

Diana Ross was also a massive diva bitch who drove Florence Ballard to an early grave.

>>126720298 (OP)
Her sister became a homeless junkie and she refused to do anything to help or even acknowledge her.

>>126723564
>Madonna
Like a prayer, La isla bonita
>Taylor
Shake it off, Blank space
>Celine
My heart will go on, It's all coming back to me now
>Mariah
Dreamlover, Emotions
>Whitney
I will always love you, I wanna dance with somebody
>Barbra
?
>Rihanna
Umbrella, ?
>Britney
Baby hit me one more time, Womanizer
>Adele
Pavements, Rolling in the deep
>Beyonce
Crazy in Love unless that was Destiny's Child, Single Ladies
>Enya
Only Time, Orinoco Flow
>Gaga
Bad Romance. Paparazzi
>Shakira
?
>Shania
Whose bed have your boots been under, ?
>Pink
Let's get this party started, ?
>Aretha
R.E.S.P.E.C.T, ?
>Ariana
These are a few of my favorite things, ?
>Janet
Rhythm nation, Escapade
>Sade
No ordinary love, The sweetest taboo
>The Supremes?
Baby love, ?
>Tina
What's love got to do with it, ?
>Cher
Believe, You got me babe
>Katy
I kissed a girl, ?
>Miley
Wrecking ball, ?
>Nicki
?

>>126724050
Her sister was already a junkie prostitute before Mariah rose to fame and tried to pimp her. Her brother was also a druggie. Her family is dysfunctional. I would want to stay way from such people as well. They all sued Mariah after her memoir was published, alleging it caused them "emotional distress."

>>126724105
>Nicki
>?
Stupid Hoe

>>126720298 (OP)
yeah kinda think she's underappreciated bc other pop hoes get more respect, she's extremely hot tho even now and my favorite voice of all the time

I have never understood people who find Mariah Carey extremely attractive.

>>126726071
she was cute in the 90s now of course she's old and fucked up her face with bad plastic surgery

>>126726099
I guess she was cute in the 90s, but still I don't see the hype.

>>126726071
big tits great ass

>>126723554
>hard to leave a legacy as a female performer unless
>>126711210
From that time we mostly remember Peggy Lee, Billie, and Ella and the rest didn't necessarily leave a big legacy. Yes women do have a harder time being iconic singers.

Country seems to have more luck with it because gender equality has always been greater there than in other formats.

>>126720535
Is this what women mean when they say that their clothes pinch their boobs? WTF is going on here?

>>126724105
>>Barbra
>?
Guilty, The Way We Were

>>126724105
no Sheena Easton?

>>126723564
Sade is the only one there that is worth a shit. Also Chaka Kahn is cool, but not on the list.

>>126726216
great the Sade waifufag is back

>>126723564
Nicki Minaj was a OHW anyway she shouldn't be on here. and Ariana is also totally worthless and has zero good songs.

>>126726288
Nicki Minaj was a hit machine for like 4 years.

>>126726313
Stupid Ho and...?

>>126726321
Superbass
Starships
Anaconda
Va Va Voom
Where Dem Girls At

>>126723564
if you include boomers like Aretha and Tina then it would only be fair to also include Etta James

>>126726348
>it would only be fair

it seems like you missed the entire point of pic rel

>>126720764
Early Mariah is really good. Tried too hard to be relevant after the mid 90s

>>126723564
Holy shit. I almost didn't recognize

>>126726348
That's just pure sales, not some shit I picked

>>126726505
She's gotten worse

>>126723564
I never thought anyone would be able to come for Madonna but Taylor is gonna take her out. Damn.
She's already climbed to 242mil since this pic was put together, and Madge is at 252mil. 5th and 7th best selling acts of all time. Most are dudes though.

>>126726216
Madonna
Sade
Enya
Gaga I guess
Nicki, Ariana, and Miley selling that much really surprised me. Don't think I can name a single song from any of them except Wrecking Ball by Miley

>>126720298 (OP)
She's an Christmas novelty artist

>>126725984
>They all sued Mariah after her memoir was published, alleging it caused them "emotional distress."
Why do families do this to artists?
Eminem's mother did the same thing back when she sued him for 10M because he told the world that she was an abusive junkie to him.

>>126727192
People will do anything out of economic desperation. I'm dreading the day when my dad dies and the house becomes my sister's and mine.

ok

>>126720298 (OP)
Her whole legacy is that annoying song that gets played every Christmas

>>126720298 (OP)
She sacrificed her mother and sister for her career.

She probably pissed off some high up people. She should be regarded as "the queen" above beyonce, etc.

>>126726644
Madonna can't possibly have sold 252 million records come on.

>>126720764
Her floaty vocals didn't work with R&B production is why.

>>126730573
Dude what I'm surprised it's not more.
She was so big that shit she did would make national news.
Biggest stars I've seen in my lifetime were Madonna, Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift
All huge and making hits for long ass times too

Too many of her hits were interminable plodding 90s power ballads. The worst kind of music.

>>126726071
I think she was hot when she first came out. Vision of Love video. Didn't like the fake tits and fake everything else so much.

loved her when I was little, early 90s
was really sad when she started doing r&b

>>126730920
Plodding ballads are no fun no matter the decade. They sucked in the 50s, they sucked in the 60s, they sucked in the 70s, they sucked in the 80s, they sucked in the 90s and they suck now.

>>126726288
>Ariana is also totally worthless and has zero good songs.
She is quite disappointing because she was gorgeous and had a great voice, but, like you said, doesn't have any good songs.

>>126731004
She has better songs than Mariah Carey.

>>126731007
First Mariah album alone has songs Ariana can't touch.

7 Rings is one of the worst songs I've ever heard and the fake blaccent she does is just the icing on the cake.

>>126731032
Not really though.

>>126731075
>fake blaccent
It is awful. Sad, she could have made good music with better direction/handlers.

>>126730964
easy low effort chart filler, it's much harder to make a fast song.

>>126731075
it's just Material Girl but worse

>>126731085
>better direction/handlers
this was the 2010s so there were none

>>126731086
It's much harder to make a GOOD slow song.

>>126731109
She had to have some. Don't tell me it was her idea to do the retarded black accent.

>>126731180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EAELtJgD6A

Sum Jack Jones. This isn't too bad and it's tasteful but the format lends itself to a lot of schlock.

>>126731186
She did more floaty vocals on album one it was after that when the blaccent shit started.

>>126731007
Wild thing to say desu
I'm not nuts about Mariahs ballads even if they were some of the better ones but Ariana doesn't have a single song on par with Emotions, Fantasy, Dreamlover, or even All I want for Christmas

>>126731386
Those are all bad songs. Ariana has some pleasant songs on Sweetener and Positions.

>>126731078
Brother the only act in the world that has more no.1 singles than Mariah is The Beatles, and it's only one more. The next in line has five less. This was also when there were a lot more mainstream artists to contend with. Even her ballads are some of the best ballads out there.

>>126731091
7 Rings is based on A Few of My Favorite Things from the Sound of Music

>>126731386
Ariana sounds incredibly sluggish and doped up on antidepressants most of the time. Of course I don't blame her given that Nickelodeon suits ran a train on her when she was 14 and she probably wishes she was dead ever since.

>>126731427
in all fairness she had a major lack of competition because the 90s was really short on pop stars it was a very rock/album-oriented decade

>>126731195
nta, agreed it lends itself to a lot of schlock but the fact remains that it's way harder to get a huge hit with a ballad, it's got to be flawless at what it's going for and compete with all the toetapper shit that people just instantly like. there are reasons people struggle to break through with ballads now, takes a lot more patience

>>126731465
>nta, agreed it lends itself to a lot of schlock but the fact remains that it's way harder to get a huge hit with a ballad
Getting a hit is not a problem it's making one that will be remembered once it falls off the charts. Pop music history is filled with thousands of shitty ballads that charted but nobody remembers anymore.

Mariah Carey [Columbia, 1990]
I swear I didn't know her mama was an opera singer but then I'm embarrassed I didn't guess. She gets too political in her brave young attack on war and destitution ("There's gotta be a way/To unite this human race/And together we'll bring about a change.") Elsewhere she sticks to what she doesn't know--love. Debbie Gibson come back, all is forgiven. C

>>126720298 (OP)
she's only known for her christmas consumerist slop and annoying whistle

>>126731427
>Even her ballads are some of the best ballads out there.
Not really though.

>>126731534
yeah yeah they put There's Gotta Be a Way on there to make her look semi-serious and not just a dumb pair of tits we know

>>126731421
Bias, and I actually like Ariana

>>126731450
>Madonna
>Michael Jackson
>Celine Dion
>Whitney Houston
>Janet Jackson
>New Kids on the Block
>Phil Collins
>Paula Abdul
>Sinead
>Wilson Philips
>Michael Bolton
>Amy Grant
>Gloria Estefan
All releasing music at the same time
???
She regularly just knocked huge acts out of the running even if they just got there, and then would hold onto that spot for weeks. That song she did with Boyz II Men was no.1 for 16 weeks, the longest running no.1 in history until Despacito. 23 years. You don't have to like her more to admit that she was more successful and had better songs. Ariana isn't even out of the game and a lot of people can't name a single song, or just one or two. Her shit is really inconsistent, no classics, star power and gossip precedes her music and drives her sales. She's incredibly talented imo but just hasn't had the songs to make her a classic. They very rarely broke out of her targeted demographic, and even when they have it's been due to celebrity drama, not the actual music breaking through

>Madonna wasn't that big of a star
>Mariah is only known because of her Christmas song
>90's didn't have very many pop stars
Why are zoomers so confident in their ill informed opinions?

>>126731640
Most of these were 80s giants whose star fell off in the early 90s and only Celine arguably was a dominating pop star for the entire decade.

>>126731688
anything that lets them keep believing that the shit going on in their bubble when they came of age was the best of the best, most relevant things have ever been. most people do that though, it's pretty natural desu
the world is way more interesting and exciting when you can back up from your own experiences and perspective though, and you get to avoid a lot of struggles with aging that most people have. the people that post shit like that are the same people that will be in here in five years arguing that their (now)old favorites were way bigger, better, and more important than whatever future stars people will be gushing over

This is a great little reference book for 50s-early 60s muzic and you would be floored at all the literallywhos, one hit wonders, and hit factories that are now totally forgotten because their songs were product that aged like old milk.

>>126731715
I purposely only listed her competition for her earliest albums. They all had no.1 hits when Mariah was releasing her first few albums, and what you said isn't true for all of them either. Artists that got more no.1s in a few years than a lot of mainstream acts got in their entire careers are obviously not pushovers. Stop trying to change the parameters of success to better fit your feelings.
She continued getting no. 1s up through 2005. Not including her big Christmas song. Are you going to tell me she had no competition up through the late 90's through to 2005? During and after the teen pop explosion? Were those no. 1s just flukes also, when the pop game had taken over and she was older than the lot of them? And if all of her hits were flukes, why are so many of her songs still well known and considered classics?
I wanted to just let you have it, but the idea that she didn't have competition because genre was more varied when she came out is absurd to begin with, because so did everyone else, and the pop game was still dominated by a handful of artists just like it is now, and has been for as long as I've been alive, but they had other types of music to contend with at the same time. For the last decade+, until very recently it had just two genres as real contenders, so it's actually been easier. Hip hop is falling off as country is taking over anyway, so it's still more favorable for mainstream acts. A lot of pop artists now just straight up time their releases for the charts too. That wasn't such common practice until after 1996, after the telecommunications act allowed for labels to have much more foresight and control over what charted.

>>126731386
For it's Love Takes Time. Beautiful ballad.

>>126731386
For me it's Love Takes Time. Beautiful ballad.

>>126732957
>Love Takes Time
Euuugggghhh

>>126731688
madonna did the superbowl with prime mia and prime nicki minaj, music with the weekend and playboi carti and did a popular finale song for deadpool.

Mariah carey is known for christmas slop and having mr beast in her video.

>>126733195
>known to me for her christmas slop and some youtuber shit
Fixes that for you. I can smell your demographic from here. Stay stunted

she's done and can't sing anymore lol

>>126733314
Same shitty demographic as her dating history