Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:38:42 PM No.126720795
Why no one can get near their level? What did they discover that makes them the most advanced in electronic music? Literally 98% of other electronic music sounds so bland and limited.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:41:38 PM No.126720815
I don't understand why they're so praised. Gone through their whole discography and I can't remember any of it. Just general, uninteresting electronic.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:43:16 PM No.126720828
>>126720815
Post "interesting" electronic music please.
Post "interesting" electronic music please.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:57:58 PM No.126720907
>>126720828
Anything by Klangkünstler from 2020 onwards
Anything by Klangkünstler from 2020 onwards
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:58:33 PM No.126720911
Autechre cumslurper hasn't yet figured out the ''beauty is in the beholder's eyes'' idea.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:07:31 PM No.126720971
>>126720815
listening to a whole discography without remembering a single track is called alzheimer pops.
listening to a whole discography without remembering a single track is called alzheimer pops.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:10:25 PM No.126720995
>>126720907
this is fine but far less interesting.
this is fine but far less interesting.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:12:55 PM No.126721019
>>126720795 (OP)
Honestly the one thing that separates them from everyone else is genuine, unrelentless thirst for more. Every other artist eventually reaches a point where they don't want to challenge themselves or compromise their work anymore, whereas Ae never stop digging deeper.
Honestly the one thing that separates them from everyone else is genuine, unrelentless thirst for more. Every other artist eventually reaches a point where they don't want to challenge themselves or compromise their work anymore, whereas Ae never stop digging deeper.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:23:09 PM No.126721110
>>126720828
This >>126720907 isn't me. I have no need for the rote "your shit sucks" reply.
>>126720971
It's more the failure of the artist in this case.
This >>126720907 isn't me. I have no need for the rote "your shit sucks" reply.
>>126720971
It's more the failure of the artist in this case.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:30:41 PM No.126721193
>>126721110
not really, it's objectively just you and your lack of interest for their music.
not really, it's objectively just you and your lack of interest for their music.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:39:07 PM No.126721261
>>126721193
Incorrect. I was highly interested, given their reputation and my love of electronic music. They failed to produce anything of merit.
Incorrect. I was highly interested, given their reputation and my love of electronic music. They failed to produce anything of merit.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:45:48 PM No.126721316
>>126721261
>They failed to produce anything of merit.
According to your crusty shit-filled asshole. There is no objectivity to be made here, only your taste speaking. You're either a contrarian troll or you genuinely don't understand/can't appreciate the complexity of their art due to your own limitations.
>They failed to produce anything of merit.
According to your crusty shit-filled asshole. There is no objectivity to be made here, only your taste speaking. You're either a contrarian troll or you genuinely don't understand/can't appreciate the complexity of their art due to your own limitations.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:04:20 PM No.126721480
>>126721316
>contrarian
>troll
In both cases, that's basically putting on a show for other people. That's not me.
>you genuinely don't understand/can't appreciate the complexity of their art due to your own limitations
From a position of taste and intellect far above your own, I respectfully disagree. I also maintain a pristine asshole. It's a thing of beauty, really.
>contrarian
>troll
In both cases, that's basically putting on a show for other people. That's not me.
>you genuinely don't understand/can't appreciate the complexity of their art due to your own limitations
From a position of taste and intellect far above your own, I respectfully disagree. I also maintain a pristine asshole. It's a thing of beauty, really.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:18:40 PM No.126721629
>>126720795 (OP)
https://youtu.be/wntR76i2Vsg?si=Hlj5DcK347Nl_seL
https://youtu.be/wntR76i2Vsg?si=Hlj5DcK347Nl_seL
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:45:50 PM No.126721943
>>126721480
yup, you're trolling and you clearly don't know shit about electronic music if you think Autechre "failed to produce anything of merit" when they're often referred as big references for new electronic producers, same with Aphex Twin, BoC and the other amazing artists from Warp.
yup, you're trolling and you clearly don't know shit about electronic music if you think Autechre "failed to produce anything of merit" when they're often referred as big references for new electronic producers, same with Aphex Twin, BoC and the other amazing artists from Warp.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:18:48 PM No.126722241
>>126721943
It's precisely because I'm so knowledgeable about electronic music that I'm able to rightfully dismiss their subpar music. Just because someone is influential doesn't mean their work or any that they influenced has any merit, such as the case with Autechre. You're incorrect on literally every count.
It's precisely because I'm so knowledgeable about electronic music that I'm able to rightfully dismiss their subpar music. Just because someone is influential doesn't mean their work or any that they influenced has any merit, such as the case with Autechre. You're incorrect on literally every count.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:34:30 PM No.126722411
>>126722241
please give a solid argument of why Autechre music has no merits, you haven't given any basic argument about it, I'm just seeing a midwit trying to larp as an electronic music connoisseur.
please give a solid argument of why Autechre music has no merits, you haven't given any basic argument about it, I'm just seeing a midwit trying to larp as an electronic music connoisseur.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:35:10 PM No.126722419
>>126720795 (OP)
You can find YouTube videos with like 200 views where it's just recordings of people fucking around in Max and it's pretty close to an official Autechre release.
You can find YouTube videos with like 200 views where it's just recordings of people fucking around in Max and it's pretty close to an official Autechre release.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 1:50:11 AM No.126724116
>>126720815
Bad taste. Probably a zoomer who listened to to an album once while watching tik tok videos.
Bad taste. Probably a zoomer who listened to to an album once while watching tik tok videos.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 1:52:49 AM No.126724146
>>126724030
I didn't say it was bad necessarily. I love Autechre. I'm just saying they're not techno demigods with access to alien technology only Martians can begin to grasp. You can find videos of people replicating Autechre's sound on YouTube quite easily.
I didn't say it was bad necessarily. I love Autechre. I'm just saying they're not techno demigods with access to alien technology only Martians can begin to grasp. You can find videos of people replicating Autechre's sound on YouTube quite easily.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:01:04 AM No.126724224
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:07:01 AM No.126724274
>>126724224
That's the point of what I'm saying. Anyone can do what they do. Their process is not as mystical as their fans often make it seem. Actually the esoteric nature of Max/MSP is specifically the thing that contributes to "their" signature sound. Anyone who uses Max is for long enough is going to eventually start making things that sound vaguely Autechrian even if they aren't big fans of Autechre or haven't even heard of them (which is unlikely because 2bh Autechre-worship is pretty much the only reason anyone even uses Max anymore. It was always a niche product and likely would've been abandonware by now if not for them). As a coding environment, it tends to push you into really specific sonic territories and Autechre's music is chock full of its genes.
That's the point of what I'm saying. Anyone can do what they do. Their process is not as mystical as their fans often make it seem. Actually the esoteric nature of Max/MSP is specifically the thing that contributes to "their" signature sound. Anyone who uses Max is for long enough is going to eventually start making things that sound vaguely Autechrian even if they aren't big fans of Autechre or haven't even heard of them (which is unlikely because 2bh Autechre-worship is pretty much the only reason anyone even uses Max anymore. It was always a niche product and likely would've been abandonware by now if not for them). As a coding environment, it tends to push you into really specific sonic territories and Autechre's music is chock full of its genes.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:12:46 AM No.126724339
>>126724274
>>>126724224 (You)
>That's the point of what I'm saying. Anyone can do what they do
Anyone can copy what they do. Copying is easy.
>>>126724224 (You)
>That's the point of what I'm saying. Anyone can do what they do
Anyone can copy what they do. Copying is easy.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:20:22 AM No.126724408
>>126724339
Yes. That's what I just said. That's why the statement "no one can get near their level" is nonsensical. Lots of people can and do get near their level. You just need autism, free time, a powerful-enough laptop and $399 for a Max license. Or PureData if you're a poorfag. Really the only thing that sets Autechre apart is that they were early adopters for Max; they're not particularly "more skilled" than your average bedroom producer.
Yes. That's what I just said. That's why the statement "no one can get near their level" is nonsensical. Lots of people can and do get near their level. You just need autism, free time, a powerful-enough laptop and $399 for a Max license. Or PureData if you're a poorfag. Really the only thing that sets Autechre apart is that they were early adopters for Max; they're not particularly "more skilled" than your average bedroom producer.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:08:31 AM No.126724813
>>126720795 (OP)
I used to like them more, nowadays it's all clicks and whistles.
I used to like them more, nowadays it's all clicks and whistles.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:11:05 AM No.126724830
>>126724274
Yeah when they switched to using Max and collaborating over the Internet using it, that's when they started sounding a bit more challenging than I'd prefer. I'm being as charitable as I can. It seems there is something to be said for more frequent in-person collaboration because their music sounded better back in the day. I still appreciate it but only for a listen or two per album instead of playing them all the time like I still do with their older music.
Yeah when they switched to using Max and collaborating over the Internet using it, that's when they started sounding a bit more challenging than I'd prefer. I'm being as charitable as I can. It seems there is something to be said for more frequent in-person collaboration because their music sounded better back in the day. I still appreciate it but only for a listen or two per album instead of playing them all the time like I still do with their older music.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:13:15 AM No.126724842
>>126724408
>PureData
PD is more advanced than Max and more capable, it's just ugly so people don't like it as much. It was actually made as the successor to Max by the same guy. It's like a Unix / Plan9 situation.
PD can import a lot of Max stuff. It's a full replacement.
>PureData
PD is more advanced than Max and more capable, it's just ugly so people don't like it as much. It was actually made as the successor to Max by the same guy. It's like a Unix / Plan9 situation.
PD can import a lot of Max stuff. It's a full replacement.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:42:41 AM No.126725012
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:46:28 AM No.126725041
>>126724408
You don't seem to understand. Copying anything is easy. Anyone can copy Autechre. But they're the ones who went out and did it. They copycats couldn't have done what they did without a template.
You don't seem to understand. Copying anything is easy. Anyone can copy Autechre. But they're the ones who went out and did it. They copycats couldn't have done what they did without a template.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:47:19 AM No.126725048
>>126724830
I mean tracks like Eggshell or Garbagemx are obviously more accessible and chill but the material from Exai and later is so so so much more rewarding and intense in every direction. I think that makes it worth enduring the more challenging aspects and imo better overall.
I mean tracks like Eggshell or Garbagemx are obviously more accessible and chill but the material from Exai and later is so so so much more rewarding and intense in every direction. I think that makes it worth enduring the more challenging aspects and imo better overall.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:50:24 AM No.126725065
>>126725041
>But they're the ones who went out and did it.
I already addressed that. The fact that they got there first is pretty much the only thing that sets them apart. Max generally pushes the user towards the type of sound experiments they developed anyway; I'd hardly say the template is "theirs" to begin with. This is why I also said that people who fuck around with Max tend to come out with Autechrian stuff even if they don't know who Autechre are.
>But they're the ones who went out and did it.
I already addressed that. The fact that they got there first is pretty much the only thing that sets them apart. Max generally pushes the user towards the type of sound experiments they developed anyway; I'd hardly say the template is "theirs" to begin with. This is why I also said that people who fuck around with Max tend to come out with Autechrian stuff even if they don't know who Autechre are.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:54:42 AM No.126725092
>>126725012
Yes, don't mistake "hooks to Live" for capability.
Yes, don't mistake "hooks to Live" for capability.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:00:37 AM No.126725137
>>126725092
please list the many capabilities pd has that max does not, i'll wait
please list the many capabilities pd has that max does not, i'll wait
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:01:24 AM No.126725145
>>126725065
>The fact that they got there first is pretty much the only thing that sets them apart.
That's the most important thing, everyone after that is just a copycat. You seem to be genuinely dumb to not understand this. I bet you're brown. One of those stupid Indians who sees Gauss' counting trick and thinks "that's not hard I can do that."
>The fact that they got there first is pretty much the only thing that sets them apart.
That's the most important thing, everyone after that is just a copycat. You seem to be genuinely dumb to not understand this. I bet you're brown. One of those stupid Indians who sees Gauss' counting trick and thinks "that's not hard I can do that."
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:06:05 AM No.126725183
>>126725137
There is a section in the manual which points these out actually.
There is a section in the manual which points these out actually.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:07:36 AM No.126725197
>>126725145
>That's the most important thing
For their career, yes, but it's not indicative of their "level." Or even their creativity. They just happened to stumble upon some niche software and use it before their contemporaries did.
>everyone after that is just a copycat.
Not if they literally do not know who Autechre are and are not intentionally copying them.
Do you have any idea how absurd the statement "everybody who uses this music software after my fave is copying them!" is? Please take your stan culture bullshit back to xitter.
>You seem to be genuinely dumb to not understand this.
You're not understanding what I'm saying, actually. Not the other way around. Your reading comprehension is terrible. Somewhere around that of a third-grader's.
>I bet you're brown. One of those stupid Indians who sees Gauss' counting trick and thinks "that's not hard I can do that."
Lol. Out of arguments already?
>That's the most important thing
For their career, yes, but it's not indicative of their "level." Or even their creativity. They just happened to stumble upon some niche software and use it before their contemporaries did.
>everyone after that is just a copycat.
Not if they literally do not know who Autechre are and are not intentionally copying them.
Do you have any idea how absurd the statement "everybody who uses this music software after my fave is copying them!" is? Please take your stan culture bullshit back to xitter.
>You seem to be genuinely dumb to not understand this.
You're not understanding what I'm saying, actually. Not the other way around. Your reading comprehension is terrible. Somewhere around that of a third-grader's.
>I bet you're brown. One of those stupid Indians who sees Gauss' counting trick and thinks "that's not hard I can do that."
Lol. Out of arguments already?
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:16:42 AM No.126725276
>>126725183
>couldn't list even a single advantage despite there allegedly being an easily accessible wealth of them
sure anon
>couldn't list even a single advantage despite there allegedly being an easily accessible wealth of them
sure anon
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:24:55 AM No.126725341
>>126725197
You're brown. You're dumb. And you're a zoomer. The triple threat.
You're brown. You're dumb. And you're a zoomer. The triple threat.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:30:00 AM No.126725393
sean is worried about copycats
he's throwing our the entire ae system and rewriting it in chuck
he's throwing our the entire ae system and rewriting it in chuck
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:40:58 AM No.126725480
>>126725341
Autechre fans are so funny because they always place Ae on such a ridiculously high pedestal and in the process reveal a severe dearth of knowledge about the IDM genre as a whole and essentially out themselves as IDM newfags. It's hilarious. Sean and Rob themselves are quite vocal about how much they fucking hate being aggrandized and mythologized like that and bitch about it in every interview. They've said on many occasions that they don't feel that what they do is all that special and that they find the people who fervently worship them odd and confusing. Lmao.
Sorry you got genuinely buttblasted because some anonymous user on your favorite Nairobian spearfishing forum didn't agree with you that Autechre are 70-trillion-IQ music gods who single-handedly created generative music anon. :/
Autechre fans are so funny because they always place Ae on such a ridiculously high pedestal and in the process reveal a severe dearth of knowledge about the IDM genre as a whole and essentially out themselves as IDM newfags. It's hilarious. Sean and Rob themselves are quite vocal about how much they fucking hate being aggrandized and mythologized like that and bitch about it in every interview. They've said on many occasions that they don't feel that what they do is all that special and that they find the people who fervently worship them odd and confusing. Lmao.
Sorry you got genuinely buttblasted because some anonymous user on your favorite Nairobian spearfishing forum didn't agree with you that Autechre are 70-trillion-IQ music gods who single-handedly created generative music anon. :/
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:46:08 AM No.126725522
>>126725490
It's not even bait. "No one is on Autechre's level" is just a fundamentally absurd statement, especially when you treat it as fact. Nothing about that is meant to provoke an exaggeratedly hostile response, and anyone who unironically thinks it should is displaying a literal symptom of autism spectrum disorder.
It's not even bait. "No one is on Autechre's level" is just a fundamentally absurd statement, especially when you treat it as fact. Nothing about that is meant to provoke an exaggeratedly hostile response, and anyone who unironically thinks it should is displaying a literal symptom of autism spectrum disorder.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:10:41 AM No.126725725
>>126720795 (OP)
>"Why no one can get near their level?"
>mogged by Aphex Twin
>mogged by Boards of Canada
>mogged by Oneohtrix Point Never
>mogged by Burial who is only barely even active and whose work is technically much simpler
>mogged by Brian Eno
>mogged by Maryanne Amacher
>mogged by Venetian Snares
>mogged by Disasterpeace
>mogged by early Arca
>mogged by SOPHIE
>mogged by A. G. Cook
>mogged by Matmos
>mogged by Iglooghost sometimes
>mogged by Skrillex of all people lately
>mogged by Four Tet
>mogged by Skee Mask
>mogged by that one Flaming Lips album that came in a gummy skull
>mogged by Amon Tobin
>mogged by Cex (even as a literal child)
>mogged by Dntel
>mogged by a sea of anonymous literallywhos you could only find on what.cd
>mogged by Plaid
>mogged by Clark
>mogged by Max Cooper
>only barely mogs Squarepusher
>"Why no one can get near their level?"
>mogged by Aphex Twin
>mogged by Boards of Canada
>mogged by Oneohtrix Point Never
>mogged by Burial who is only barely even active and whose work is technically much simpler
>mogged by Brian Eno
>mogged by Maryanne Amacher
>mogged by Venetian Snares
>mogged by Disasterpeace
>mogged by early Arca
>mogged by SOPHIE
>mogged by A. G. Cook
>mogged by Matmos
>mogged by Iglooghost sometimes
>mogged by Skrillex of all people lately
>mogged by Four Tet
>mogged by Skee Mask
>mogged by that one Flaming Lips album that came in a gummy skull
>mogged by Amon Tobin
>mogged by Cex (even as a literal child)
>mogged by Dntel
>mogged by a sea of anonymous literallywhos you could only find on what.cd
>mogged by Plaid
>mogged by Clark
>mogged by Max Cooper
>only barely mogs Squarepusher
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:14:08 AM No.126725755
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:16:09 AM No.126725782
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:20:38 AM No.126725825
>>126725725
>mogged by Aphex Twin
yes
>mogged by Boards of Canada
yes
>mogged by Oneohtrix Point Never
yes
>mogged by Burial who is only barely even active and whose work is technically much simpler
debatable
>mogged by Brian Eno
yes but not really fair, it's brian eno
>mogged by Maryanne Amacher
yes
>mogged by Venetian Snares
about equal
>mogged by Disasterpeace
about equal
>mogged by early Arca
yes
>mogged by SOPHIE
product yes, oil yes, s/t no
>mogged by A. G. Cook
yes
>mogged by Matmos
yes
>mogged by Iglooghost sometimes
...i'll allow it
>mogged by Skrillex of all people lately
no.
>mogged by Four Tet
yes
>mogged by Skee Mask
yes
>mogged by that one Flaming Lips album that came in a gummy skull
yes
>mogged by Amon Tobin
no
>mogged by Cex (even as a literal child)
no but would be funny
>mogged by Dntel
barely
>mogged by a sea of anonymous literallywhos you could only find on what.cd
maybe not a sea. more of a pond.
>mogged by Plaid
yes
>mogged by Clark
yes
>mogged by Max Cooper
no
>only barely mogs Squarepusher
squarepusher mogs
B+
>mogged by Aphex Twin
yes
>mogged by Boards of Canada
yes
>mogged by Oneohtrix Point Never
yes
>mogged by Burial who is only barely even active and whose work is technically much simpler
debatable
>mogged by Brian Eno
yes but not really fair, it's brian eno
>mogged by Maryanne Amacher
yes
>mogged by Venetian Snares
about equal
>mogged by Disasterpeace
about equal
>mogged by early Arca
yes
>mogged by SOPHIE
product yes, oil yes, s/t no
>mogged by A. G. Cook
yes
>mogged by Matmos
yes
>mogged by Iglooghost sometimes
...i'll allow it
>mogged by Skrillex of all people lately
no.
>mogged by Four Tet
yes
>mogged by Skee Mask
yes
>mogged by that one Flaming Lips album that came in a gummy skull
yes
>mogged by Amon Tobin
no
>mogged by Cex (even as a literal child)
no but would be funny
>mogged by Dntel
barely
>mogged by a sea of anonymous literallywhos you could only find on what.cd
maybe not a sea. more of a pond.
>mogged by Plaid
yes
>mogged by Clark
yes
>mogged by Max Cooper
no
>only barely mogs Squarepusher
squarepusher mogs
B+
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:27:42 AM No.126725885
>>126725725
fuck I forgot Sd Laika. anyway OP is a faggot
fuck I forgot Sd Laika. anyway OP is a faggot
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:31:13 AM No.126725902
>mfw old mate Steve busts out mildly glitchy percussion occasionally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5EF5tpy1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5EF5tpy1w
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:36:29 AM No.126727635
>>126725725
>>126725825
All of that is entry level babby electronic music, and you're retarded if you think they mog Ae. Actual artists that can match their skills are Grischa Lichtenberger, Mark Fell, Alva Noto, Ryuichi Kurosawa and Aoki Takamasa.
>>126725825
All of that is entry level babby electronic music, and you're retarded if you think they mog Ae. Actual artists that can match their skills are Grischa Lichtenberger, Mark Fell, Alva Noto, Ryuichi Kurosawa and Aoki Takamasa.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:39:41 AM No.126727644
>>126727635
artists like Aphex Twin and Boards of Canada are highly regarded for a good reason. their popularity doesn't negate the purpose of their inclusion in the list. obscurity alone doesn't help the case.
artists like Aphex Twin and Boards of Canada are highly regarded for a good reason. their popularity doesn't negate the purpose of their inclusion in the list. obscurity alone doesn't help the case.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:48:57 AM No.126727668
>>126720795 (OP)
>no one can get on their level
>but they're widely considered to be part of a Big Three in their genre like mbv / ride / slowdive
>meaning basically everyone acknowledges that there are at least two acts on their level
>no one can get on their level
>but they're widely considered to be part of a Big Three in their genre like mbv / ride / slowdive
>meaning basically everyone acknowledges that there are at least two acts on their level
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:12:37 AM No.126727735
>>126725825
I know it is rage bait but saying that Autechre gets mogged by literal baby toddler Four Tet is peak retardation
>>126727635
>Actual artists that can match their skills are Grischa Lichtenberger, Mark Fell, Alva Noto, Ryuichi Kurosawa and Aoki Takamasa.
See, that's where I don't agree. People like Mark Fell and Alva Noto have constantly gave me the idea that they are making an intellectual exercise or a proof of concept. It is not casual that Fell spends the largest part of his time writing books and having lectures rather than making music.
I guess the answer to the question "why is no one on their level" is this. They make music and their research is purely functional to their music. Autechre have a distint sound and style in all of their iterations (and Chiastic slide, for example, sounds nothing like Oversteps). Even if they always have this fucking attitude of "no mate we are just two extremely intelligen blokes but we are not composers" (actually, only Sean has this attitude) they have a deep understanding of the state of contemporary classical electronic music and it shows.
Aphex is a master of his craft, but I am sure that in 30 years time AE are the ones that will be rememberd more.
I know it is rage bait but saying that Autechre gets mogged by literal baby toddler Four Tet is peak retardation
>>126727635
>Actual artists that can match their skills are Grischa Lichtenberger, Mark Fell, Alva Noto, Ryuichi Kurosawa and Aoki Takamasa.
See, that's where I don't agree. People like Mark Fell and Alva Noto have constantly gave me the idea that they are making an intellectual exercise or a proof of concept. It is not casual that Fell spends the largest part of his time writing books and having lectures rather than making music.
I guess the answer to the question "why is no one on their level" is this. They make music and their research is purely functional to their music. Autechre have a distint sound and style in all of their iterations (and Chiastic slide, for example, sounds nothing like Oversteps). Even if they always have this fucking attitude of "no mate we are just two extremely intelligen blokes but we are not composers" (actually, only Sean has this attitude) they have a deep understanding of the state of contemporary classical electronic music and it shows.
Aphex is a master of his craft, but I am sure that in 30 years time AE are the ones that will be rememberd more.
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6/16/2025, 11:21:35 AM No.126727806
>>126727735
>I know it is rage bait but saying that Autechre gets mogged by literal baby toddler Four Tet is peak retardation
There is Love in You alone is unironically better than any record Autechre has ever released.
>I know it is rage bait but saying that Autechre gets mogged by literal baby toddler Four Tet is peak retardation
There is Love in You alone is unironically better than any record Autechre has ever released.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:28:56 AM No.126727859
I really like Autechre but don't think they've ever made anything as singly beautiful as, for example, Jon Hopkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYTM2_xHCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYTM2_xHCU
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:29:19 AM No.126727864
>>126727735
>Even if they always have this fucking attitude of "no mate we are just two extremely intelligen blokes but we are not composers"
Meanwhile, in real life:
>All these things about us being "intelligent" and the term "IDM" are just silly. I'm not a particularly intelligent person, me. I'm diligent, I'm pretty hardworking, but I'm not that clever. I ain't got any qualifications, I just pick up stuff that I think is interesting at the time.
Also
>I am sure that in 30 years time AE are the ones that will be rememberd more.
Is laughable because Richard's cultural influence has been so much more far-reaching than Autechre's already.
>I guess the answer to the question "why is no one on their level" is this.
The answer is: it's not true.
>They make music and their research is purely functional to their music.
You're describing what a musician does. Fuck me, Autechre fans are retarded.
>Autechre have a distint sound and style in all of their iterations
This isn't as uncommon or interesting or innovative as you think it is. Taylor fucking Swift does it.
>Even if they always have this fucking attitude of "no mate we are just two extremely intelligen blokes but we are not composers"
Meanwhile, in real life:
>All these things about us being "intelligent" and the term "IDM" are just silly. I'm not a particularly intelligent person, me. I'm diligent, I'm pretty hardworking, but I'm not that clever. I ain't got any qualifications, I just pick up stuff that I think is interesting at the time.
Also
>I am sure that in 30 years time AE are the ones that will be rememberd more.
Is laughable because Richard's cultural influence has been so much more far-reaching than Autechre's already.
>I guess the answer to the question "why is no one on their level" is this.
The answer is: it's not true.
>They make music and their research is purely functional to their music.
You're describing what a musician does. Fuck me, Autechre fans are retarded.
>Autechre have a distint sound and style in all of their iterations
This isn't as uncommon or interesting or innovative as you think it is. Taylor fucking Swift does it.
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6/16/2025, 11:32:54 AM No.126727889
>>126727864
>Is laughable because Richard's cultural influence has been so much more far-reaching than Autechre's already.
keyword: in 30 years time. peak illiteracy.
>Is laughable because Richard's cultural influence has been so much more far-reaching than Autechre's already.
keyword: in 30 years time. peak illiteracy.
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6/16/2025, 11:34:48 AM No.126727908
>>126727889
Are you familiar with the concept of cultural inertia? Do you understand why the word "already" was included in there?
Are you familiar with the concept of cultural inertia? Do you understand why the word "already" was included in there?
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6/16/2025, 11:39:36 AM No.126727933
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6/16/2025, 11:39:51 AM No.126727934
>>126727889
>keyword: in 30 years time
if aphex twin made a dramatically bigger impact in the same time frame, then in 30 years his impact would still be bigger than autechre's, meaning in 30 years time he'd still be remembered more. unless something changed unexpectedly in the future and autechre committed 9/11 2.0 or something
>keyword: in 30 years time
if aphex twin made a dramatically bigger impact in the same time frame, then in 30 years his impact would still be bigger than autechre's, meaning in 30 years time he'd still be remembered more. unless something changed unexpectedly in the future and autechre committed 9/11 2.0 or something
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:42:29 AM No.126727956
>>126727933
Are you being willfully obtuse on purpose or are you genuinely as dumb as the impression you're giving off? The fact that Bach isn't totally irrelevant (yet) doesn't somehow disprove the concept of social inertia. In fact if anything the sustainment and trajectory of his legacy is proof of it. You chose the worst possible example to work with.
Are you being willfully obtuse on purpose or are you genuinely as dumb as the impression you're giving off? The fact that Bach isn't totally irrelevant (yet) doesn't somehow disprove the concept of social inertia. In fact if anything the sustainment and trajectory of his legacy is proof of it. You chose the worst possible example to work with.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:49:43 AM No.126728010
>>126727933
Aphex twin already has his own informally recognized minor holiday on the date one of his mode popular songs is named after. there's no way autechre's going to be the one that stands the test of time in this comparison. too niche.
Aphex twin already has his own informally recognized minor holiday on the date one of his mode popular songs is named after. there's no way autechre's going to be the one that stands the test of time in this comparison. too niche.
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6/16/2025, 11:50:58 AM No.126728017
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6/16/2025, 11:52:52 AM No.126728031
>>126728010
Should make you reflect that that song is not, in fact, electronic music.
Should make you reflect that that song is not, in fact, electronic music.
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6/16/2025, 11:55:01 AM No.126728048
>>126728031
what does that have to do with anything?
what does that have to do with anything?
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:58:13 AM No.126728066
>>126728031
Weak. That's just an example of the scale of his cultural impact. Aphex Twin, despite having that one song where he utilized a player piano a couple decades ago, is still very much an electronic musician.
Weak. That's just an example of the scale of his cultural impact. Aphex Twin, despite having that one song where he utilized a player piano a couple decades ago, is still very much an electronic musician.
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6/16/2025, 12:01:37 PM No.126728085
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:31:39 PM No.126729131
>>126724339
>>126724408
Please replicate something like their livesets from 2014 and onwards. Until you provide here at least 1 hour of music material that sounds exactly the same you're just talking out of your ass and shitposting like everyone else.
>>126724408
Please replicate something like their livesets from 2014 and onwards. Until you provide here at least 1 hour of music material that sounds exactly the same you're just talking out of your ass and shitposting like everyone else.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:20:32 PM No.126729320
>still raging about getting Filtered.
ngmi
ngmi
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6/16/2025, 6:29:11 PM No.126730900
>>126720907
sounds like unrefined bombastic speedhead music
sounds like unrefined bombastic speedhead music
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 6:30:11 PM No.126730907
>>126729131
Max has that sound though. You can tell they're using it.
Max has that sound though. You can tell they're using it.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 6:30:46 PM No.126730909
eggshell has one of the best drops in all of electronic music
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:26:00 PM No.126731273
>>126720795 (OP)
They got really boring and random after Exai but I love everything they made up until that point.
They got really boring and random after Exai but I love everything they made up until that point.
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6/16/2025, 7:38:39 PM No.126731367
>>126731273
It happens to people in these kinds of professions sometimes. Chefs, for instance. They get tired of making good food and make weird food that's mainly designed to fulfill some thesis or whim they got up their ass somehow.
Autechre has done this. I think like many electronic musicians they eventually start listening to a lot of Stockhausen and start to try to make it themselves.
It happens to people in these kinds of professions sometimes. Chefs, for instance. They get tired of making good food and make weird food that's mainly designed to fulfill some thesis or whim they got up their ass somehow.
Autechre has done this. I think like many electronic musicians they eventually start listening to a lot of Stockhausen and start to try to make it themselves.
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6/16/2025, 7:40:36 PM No.126731375
>>126720795 (OP)
>Why no one can get near their level?
idk mate I have a lawn cutting thing that makes sort of the same sounds, couple that with my hoover on furniture washing setting and it's basically their entire discography
>Why no one can get near their level?
idk mate I have a lawn cutting thing that makes sort of the same sounds, couple that with my hoover on furniture washing setting and it's basically their entire discography
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:56:01 PM No.126731496
>>126729131
>Please replicate something like their livesets from 2014 and onwards.
You say that like it's difficult but, again, you can find videos of random people doing exactly that on YouTube. I don't need to replicate it for the sake of this specific argument; it's already been done.
>Please replicate something like their livesets from 2014 and onwards.
You say that like it's difficult but, again, you can find videos of random people doing exactly that on YouTube. I don't need to replicate it for the sake of this specific argument; it's already been done.
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6/16/2025, 8:29:20 PM No.126731791
>>126731496
It isn't. All of those cheesy gimmicky YouTube producers cannot create anything near similar to them, it's just generic glitch IDM, more similar to Aphex Twin actually if you analyze it. There is no more argument to be made, i've said post here via Vocaroo at least 1 hour of music that sounds like their livesets from the last 10 years. Until that you're just embarassing yourself for no reason.
It isn't. All of those cheesy gimmicky YouTube producers cannot create anything near similar to them, it's just generic glitch IDM, more similar to Aphex Twin actually if you analyze it. There is no more argument to be made, i've said post here via Vocaroo at least 1 hour of music that sounds like their livesets from the last 10 years. Until that you're just embarassing yourself for no reason.
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6/16/2025, 8:33:40 PM No.126731841
>>126731273
>>126731367
>please don't go out of my safe zone and continue doing the same thing over and over so I can consume and be content in my bubble
>>126731367
>please don't go out of my safe zone and continue doing the same thing over and over so I can consume and be content in my bubble
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:34:35 PM No.126731853
>>126731791
What's embarrassing is advocating this hard for some of the most unremarkable electronic music in existence. Enjoy your mediocrity.
What's embarrassing is advocating this hard for some of the most unremarkable electronic music in existence. Enjoy your mediocrity.
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6/16/2025, 8:46:07 PM No.126731972
>>126729320
>filtered
>by entry-level rymcore techno
these people legitimately believe autechre is as challenging as music can get
>filtered
>by entry-level rymcore techno
these people legitimately believe autechre is as challenging as music can get
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:47:47 PM No.126731990
>>126728066
>That's just an example of the scale of his cultural impact
The cultural impact of Aphex Twin is his logo on rancid art hoes who don't even listen to him and two of the piano tracks from Drukqs being used in TikTok memes, the same for every popstar. No serious people in electronic music in 2025 care about his music, it's essentially weirdo rave music, while Autechre are discussed in conservatories and academic contexts because their music has artistic and aesthetic value that links it to electronic classical music.
>That's just an example of the scale of his cultural impact
The cultural impact of Aphex Twin is his logo on rancid art hoes who don't even listen to him and two of the piano tracks from Drukqs being used in TikTok memes, the same for every popstar. No serious people in electronic music in 2025 care about his music, it's essentially weirdo rave music, while Autechre are discussed in conservatories and academic contexts because their music has artistic and aesthetic value that links it to electronic classical music.
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6/16/2025, 8:49:33 PM No.126732007
>>126731990
Holy megacope
Holy megacope
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:52:24 PM No.126732033
>>126731791
>All of those cheesy gimmicky YouTube producers cannot create anything near similar to them
if you look up basically anything involving max/msp you're gonna stumble onto some close enough autechrian stuff pretty much immediately.
>All of those cheesy gimmicky YouTube producers cannot create anything near similar to them
if you look up basically anything involving max/msp you're gonna stumble onto some close enough autechrian stuff pretty much immediately.
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6/16/2025, 8:55:00 PM No.126732063
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:59:16 PM No.126732135
>>126731853
You're advocating for your own stupidity and you're defending it well.
>unremarkable
Post "remarkable" electronic music, I'm all hears.
>>126732033
It happens that I'm a longtime Max user, and one last time I say you're talking out of your ass for no reason and without posting any concrete proof of your thesis.
You're advocating for your own stupidity and you're defending it well.
>unremarkable
Post "remarkable" electronic music, I'm all hears.
>>126732033
It happens that I'm a longtime Max user, and one last time I say you're talking out of your ass for no reason and without posting any concrete proof of your thesis.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:01:44 PM No.126732169
Absolutely rancid discussion.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:11:52 PM No.126732298
>>126732135
it's not hard to find. you're just not looking.
https://youtu.be/nqvcmO_slIE
https://youtu.be/nnAr06z1MKk
https://youtu.be/a0G92yBAm6c
https://youtu.be/7lR9iTzjMtY
https://youtu.be/nAjpK3_HxSQ
https://youtu.be/ZK_nJ6hBgyk
https://youtu.be/Uar8lS0fXss
https://youtu.be/e-R8e9K3iFE
https://youtu.be/Qv3LjpyhmvI
https://youtu.be/8DywRdREqHc
its not hard to find random videos of people fucking around with max and making stuff that sounds like something you'd hear on a final ae release. it's not hard. max just kinda pushes you in that direction by default anyway.
it's not hard to find. you're just not looking.
https://youtu.be/nqvcmO_slIE
https://youtu.be/nnAr06z1MKk
https://youtu.be/a0G92yBAm6c
https://youtu.be/7lR9iTzjMtY
https://youtu.be/nAjpK3_HxSQ
https://youtu.be/ZK_nJ6hBgyk
https://youtu.be/Uar8lS0fXss
https://youtu.be/e-R8e9K3iFE
https://youtu.be/Qv3LjpyhmvI
https://youtu.be/8DywRdREqHc
its not hard to find random videos of people fucking around with max and making stuff that sounds like something you'd hear on a final ae release. it's not hard. max just kinda pushes you in that direction by default anyway.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:15:40 PM No.126732353
>>126731990
>implying aphex twin has never been discussed in academic contexts
are...anon are you serious?
>implying aphex twin has never been discussed in academic contexts
are...anon are you serious?