Voices from Within edition
A thread for extreme, abrasive, technical, progressive, or experimental music under the rock umbrella. This includes metal, hardcore, experimental rock, noise rock, and others. Music that is mainstream, "alternative", novelty-driven, "proggy" but not progressive, or not rock music in any sense, is discouraged.
>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /xxr/?
Maybe not. Put away your personal love of that music and look at it objectively.
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listenan

>>126726451
I like the way this album is obnoxious, repetitive, and killing my hearing. Good shit, recommended.

This OP has gotten ridiculous mate.
>"proggy" but not progressive
The fuck does that mean? And why is mainstream shit discouraged when in reality it's still a discussion? I thought this was just a rat free /metal/ alternative with broader scope to stop "not metal" shitposts for every album posted.

>>126727174
>>"proggy" but not progressive
>The fuck does that mean?
Music that mimics early prog music without attempting any advancement of the artist's expression or the genre's limits, and so REGRESSES into prawg quotation, imitation, and masturbation. Think Absolute Elsewhere, the worst of Psychic Secretions, and much of Dream Theater.
Since /prog/ exists, and /metal/ persists despite its necrosis, then regressive prog rock/metal has one, if not two places to go. /xxr/ should not be the third.
>And why is mainstream shit discouraged when in reality it's still a discussion?
Why is it discouraged in the extreme/experimental rock thread? Are you serious? What does "still a discussion" mean or do to excuse anything?
I want to set higher standards for anons and myself. I love mainstream rock and heavy metal, but this can't just be the "shit I like" general. Heavy metal is, broadly, not extreme nor experimental.
>I thought this was just a rat free /metal/ alternative with broader scope...
Generally, yes...
>...to stop "not metal" shitposts for every album posted.
That's a benefit, but you projected what you wanted onto what I made and assumed you knew everything I was thinking.
To make a general that might live beyond the initial purpose of a metalhead's refuge from schizos, I changed the scope from metal (which could mean Deep Purple or Deathspell Omega) to E/ER. This shifts it away from an aesthetic classification, closer to a collection of common musical aspirations.

Jute Gyte

>>126727713
>>And why is mainstream shit discouraged when in reality it's still a discussion?
>Why is it discouraged in the extreme/experimental rock thread? Are you serious? What does "still a discussion" mean or do to excuse anything?
I guess a lot of this boils down to me thinking about what you meant and us having different meanings. Like I'd say early metallica is "extreme metal" just from the classification that usually gets thrown about with, but it's mainstream.
That and to me "mainstream" just means "the classics".

I guess this is the nature of you wanting a metal2 thread but having to distinguish it into its own niche to avoid being marked as adupe, which is totally fair.

>>126726451
wasnt big into Pyrrhon before but this album was one of my faves of last year

>>126726451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPoiLHzAF_E
The great thing about Mastodon tribute bands is the vocals are always an improvement.
This one's probably gonna be my AOTY.

>>126728446
>>126727713
Reddit

Cool general

>>126726451
>>126728517
>>126729093
Nice pride flag album art. I don't even have to check out the music to know it's nu-male shit

>>126726451
https://dawnofouroboros.bandcamp.com/album/the-art-of-morphology

>>126729700
>>126731064
Thanks for bumping, pop sloppers.

>>126731293
>>126731106

>>126725064 (OP)
>A thread for extreme, abrasive, technical, progressive, or experimental music under the rock umbrella
listen to brutal prog/zeuhl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oo6hqx1ei8

>>126732042
Saw these guys live last month, they were pretty cool. Didn't play for too long, like some progbands tend to do.

This non-metal garbage is banned here, Be forewarned.

>>126732511
what about other manowar albums? Why specifically louder than hell? Its not even their most popular one or best regarded one.

>>126732042
>zeuhl
This is the ancient grandfather of dissoblack/dissodeath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBDhwiI9-0

>>126729093
>Progressive Metal
>>Sludge Metal
>Solid but pretty standard for stoner metal at this point. Once you get used to the style it becomes less exciting over time. It's hard not to bring up Mastodon cause the band sounds a lot like them.
Sounds like prawg/heavy metal that's not fit here.
>>126732511
Personally, the only album here I have listened to and don't like is Blizzard of Oz. Hard pop rock, very little heavy metal, cheap neoclassicalisms.
I think there's room here to love early heavy metal for its generative qualities and influence on extreme metal. But yes, I think heavy metal in itself doesn't fit, unless some seriously genre-pushing album comes about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1C7gP7W34

>>126732082
>Japanese woman into Fagmasonry

Odd. Is she an actress of something?

>>126732980
>Personally, the only album here I have listened to and don't like is Blizzard of Oz.
Im guessing you haven't heard louder than hell.
>Hard pop rock, very little heavy metal, cheap neoclassicalisms.
what makes the neoclassicalisms cheap?

>>126732511
this dude has been bringing up diapers unwarranted for years at this point

>>126735033
got to admire the dedication

>>126726451
djent and coreshit... good?

>>126738799
Weak on riffs in a metal sense, and the breakdowns aren't simple chug patterns meant to release tension. The riffs are often interstitial, and the breakdowns are too frequent and rhythmically skewed.
What HLB do instead is pursue a crushing and alien atmosphere, and they are good at painting their machinic apocalypse. Beyond the unusual core/djent chugs, the use of pick scrapes and other discordant and unmusical guitar sounds is pretty cool. Their technical display doesn't feel like its all flexing and no purpose.
A couple cringe attempts to fit in catchy a vocal hook get in the way of their focus on mood, a behavior that also appears on Välde, but they're minimal.
I don't think this will change the minds of metalheads on djent/thall or deathcore, nor does it have to, but I think this stranger wing and overlap of the two is worth checking in on occasionally.
>[Sample: Jordan Peterson]
kek

>>126726451
I see from their Discogs profiles that both Max and Carlos are multi-instrumentalists. I wonder if they fight over who gets to play these juicy basslines.

>>126732980
>Solid
Indeed.
>stoner
They're too energetic and not psychedelic enough for me to personally tag them as stoner, but I totally see why other people would. Progressive stoner sludge? Sure.
Are you familiar with Intronaut?
>Sounds like prawg/heavy metal that's not fit here.
Noted. We're feeling our way forward.

>>126740648
What I greentexted was the genres and a review of the album listed on RYM. I listened to a bit of the first track and I have to agree with the reviewer that it just sounds like Mastodon.

What is the greatest live album of all time and why is it Rock Dream?

>>126743310
Thank you Twitter screencap poster

Make the call, he is the only one who can save this general.

>>126743817
Bongdanoff...

>>126742275
> Noise Rock, Drone Metal, Post-Metal
I'm sure it's good and fits here, but does it do much in the way of riffing, or is it more atmospheric or textural? Just want to know what to expect. I'm aware Boris are sludge/drone and Merzbow is noise

Anything good this month?

This may or may not fit the OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5rDww15zls

>>126747911
A majority of it is more on the atmospheric side but everything from Pink through Ibitsu is just straight riffs

>>126732511
Wrong. This is xxr not xxm

>>126752232
it's just a euphemism

Rec me some avant-garde metal I haven’t heard before

>>126753991
You would like this i think >>126749828

>>126753991
I'll post some more stuff. Progressive leaning but not too disso or war metal-ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WryTc4ost8U

>>126753991
Proggy black/death/heavy metal. Pretty much unknown band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkhR4V0dtr8

New album comes out in a day or so
Here's the EP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1p043dnyk

>>126726451

>>126749828
These guys are in Pyrrhon

>>126729809
poor anon got whack'd for the album art
interesting album so far

>main general is so shit this is still alive
That bad huh?

>>126757533
This was a good album. I'm glad the hidden track is fourteen minutes of random shit after only four minutes of silence, instead of two minutes of random shit after 10+ minutes of silence like some albums do.

>>126753991

DEZERT, ENJOY!
https://youtu.be/U8SwF3-FolQ

>>126754481
it's up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzCp3XZ0Uc

rock doesn't experiment anymore

>>126760181
Go back to your /mu/-core popslop

>>126725064 (OP)
https://dawnofouroboros.bandcamp.com/album/bioluminescence
>atmospheric black metal, blackgaze, melodic death metal, pprogressive metal

>>126741978
I see. I thought you were actually listening to and analyzing all the shit we're posting yourself! And if that were the case, I'd admire your dedication.. But for your own mental wellbeing, I'm much gladder to hear that it isn't.
>it just sounds like Mastodon
... but with better vocals, as I said in my initial post, and precisely the reason why I like them. So if anyone ITT has enjoyed even a single Mastodon album, you know what to do.
Also, pic related.

>>126757567
It seems to have recovered, but early this week we got a taste of how bad it *could* get.

>>126760181
Well, we have decades of experiments to enjoy, so I'll cry when I run out of rock music.

>>126728517
I'm hesitant about dissodeath bands, so I'll listen to their EPs and hope I get a wider sample of their music.

>>126764537
They’re a hard swallow by any standard. Too weird for me.

>>126764815
Fever Kingdoms was fairly normal. I hear what you mean on Growth Without End though.

>>126765392
Running Out of Skin is a little better than Growth on first listen. It commits more to being weird. The Death cover sucks though.

I'm convinced this is the greatest album of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CQaCFlLJGA

>Q: Ehnahre is on an edge – between primitivism and detailed intellectual well-thought artistic conception or so I think. Where do you see yourself in such creative aspects? Which of both aspects is closer to you?
>A: I like to think of Ehnahre as sitting right on the edge between both worlds. We write music that is very detailed and complex and extremely difficult and academic. But those things are used to create furious, dark, ugly music. I like to call it a “calculated insanity”.

>Q: How do you explain that your music has always been affiliated with “metal” when since the beginning, we cannot say that it is strictly speaking?
>Iskandar Hasnaoui: Our music is aimed at all those who are not afraid of violence, darkness, or complexity: and there is a part of the metal public whose tastes meet these criteria.

>Q: The main aspect with this part is that it doesn’t repeat itself, which basically goes for more or less all parts on the album. Why do you write your music following a line instead of going back and forth, like most bands do?
>Hasjarl: We went from being obsessed with black metal to contemporary classical music because it was primarily a path based on spiritual criteria [...] Wouldn’t the better angle to your question be: why do so many bands follow established rules or abide by patterns that have been established by others? There’s so many ways to structure an idea, a song, to express a dynamic, to evoke emotions. Every artist is a demiurge in his field of work – it is a tragedy when only a minority chooses to seize that opportunity. The key to understanding the structures within Fas is to keep thinking in terms of contemporary classical music. Revisited with our capabilities of course, and within a very specific, narrow context. [...] What I’m trying to convey is that Fas would not exist without Penderecki and Wyschnegradsky. That’s what unlocked these musical territories for us, territories Bataille would call le trouble.

>>126731134
good band

126769504
Gigantocringe

>>126769504
ULTRA BASED

>>126769504

>>126769504
What's in "best music" that is outside the other circles?

>>126774340
That's Heccy's chart, but I'd say any music that reaches beyond itself with some success or tells a narrative through composition and unique musical language is what I like and value the most, with melody preferred over senseless dissonance.

>>126731064
all good albums. if you get the chance to see lightning bolt live, take it. they're so sick and play their music loud.

>>126775483
Thanks Prozak

>>126725064 (OP)
One of my favourite random wtf tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4sIOUhlgLg
Take Tim Buckley's Song to the Siren and make a brainmush version from the dying thoughts of the 'protagonist' of that song

I'm convinced this is the greatest album of all time.

https://youtu.be/6C1gMR6XxpA?si=9g0q3z0nzMq131Dg

Kraut-rocky black metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkQkihK3F90

>>126731064
eh, I can see the connection, but lightning bolt give too much of an effort to their craft to drive away ironic listeners
>>126769220
this album along with Cynic's Focus were classics among the metal community back when mxtabs forums where a thing, I've always loved Focus but for some reason never bothered to listen to elvenfris, boy, I sure was missing out

Thanks to the /meal/ anon who referenced this band. Death metal that's microtonal (16-TET) without constantly reminding you of its own conceit. Guitars are low and muddy, yet you can still at times notice the bass. Pulls from several DM strains ranging from death-doom, Soulside Journey, Human-era Death, Immolation, among others.

>>126779071
Sounds like AIDS in musical form.

>>126764537
Like I said they werent amazing to me before, and while I like disso I wouldn't say they were massively heavy on the disso, more relying on experimental structure etc.
For whatever reason this was the first release that "clicked" for me.

>>126779096
If you mean the Human comparison, I just noticed a couple things that reminded me of it. Moments like the soloing 40 seconds into Material Identity is shreddy and spacious like Human or ITP, while still having melodic direction, and sounding alien and twisted in a way any great death metal album benefits from.

>>126779149
You must really like reading your own posts.

>>126779149
Why are you responding to an obvious shitpost

>>126779157
I'm very lonely. And drunk.

>>126779189
relatable mate

>>126779153
I get the implication of fartsniffing you're making, but if I didn't think my post was good in any way, why would I post it?
Once again, effortposting is just posting.
>>126779157
I was trying to read it with some good faith. But if he's just stopping by to spit on the thread or any music discussion striving for analysis or effort instead of spam and shitposts, then sure, he can choke on my cock.
>>126779189
Choke on it.

I find the OP's constant virtue signaling really off-putting, which makes me not want to use this thread.

>>126777030
It's a good album, but you come across as incredibly new when you get so excited about something.
Also check out Skaur:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq3q5NykQQ4&t=

>>126779213
ill take a narcissistic OP with music over ratspam and shitposts

>>126779227
yeah I'd rather have this thread than frog threads, kpop idiocy, or other mainstream pop music threads

>>126779223
Doesn't look like it's a cool racist band. Not listening. Sorry.

>>126779223
>he bought into the meme

>>126777207
liked their debut album much better

>>126779281
They're on DTB

>>126732082
>woeman tries to appropriate Freemasonry
Lmao

>>126779213
>>126779227
What am I saying exactly? I won't dilute myself beyond recognition, but I'd like to be personable and share what I think about music without making myself the center of attention. I get wordy when passion strikes or if I just want to be specific about something. Sorry if that results in unhelpful waxing.
>>126779247
Agreed. 4chan boards shouldn't be entirely serious and dry, but sometimes the /mu/ catalog hurts to look at. Tweet-tier posts, coffeeposts, literal Twitter screencaps, politics bait, and the rampant poptimism on the board once known for sharing music beyond the mainstream in one way or another.
I hoped /metal/ would stand above that, but on many days it suffers similar problems as /mu/ plus its own problems. That trapped in a corner feeling pressed me to find new options. I still have great fondness for /metal/, but sometimes its lucid moments are brief, and delirious episodes long.

>>126779549
You really need to ease up on the tryhardism. Your post reeks of someone who got banned from Reddit.

been digging motionless in white lately

>>126779593
Motionless in White is one of those bands I want to like more than I actually do. I get the appeal—the theatrics, the image, the big choruses with just enough edge to feel “metal” without actually challenging anyone. But every time I give them another shot, I hit the same wall: it all feels like a performance of heaviness rather than anything that actually means something. Like, they’re trying so hard to be dark and transgressive that it ends up weirdly sterile.

They borrow the aesthetics of heavier genres—industrial, goth, metalcore—but none of it really sticks in a meaningful way. It’s just stitched together in a way that makes me think of a mannequin in corpse paint. There's nothing wrong with liking them, but I wouldn't hold them up as anything more than introductory-level heavy music. They're like training wheels with spikes on them.

That said, if you like them and they hit something emotionally for you, cool. I’ve just been burned too many times by bands that look interesting on the surface but feel hollow underneath. MIW fits that mold for me. I guess I’m just tired of stuff that sounds extreme but doesn’t feel like anything.

>>126779593
lol
>>126779624
At least remove the em-dashes before you post AIslop

>>126779579
Memeword vagueries don't help me understand what I'm doing or how I could fix it.

>>126779644
>midwit popslopper thinks anything past "lol this is gay" is an AI-post
>>>/metal/

>>126779668
I'm OP, dipshit. It's more than just the em-dashes, the double spacing and unicode apostrophes and double quotes also make it look generated, and not like it was typed by a person with a keyboard.

>>126779663
I very much doubt you are willing or even capable of change. Your biggest problem is how self-absorbed you are. Stop acting like you made this sad excuse for a general for the betterment of this board. You made it because your autism made it impossible for you to use /metal/. You made this for you and you only.

Serbian Suno AI metal is the future.

>>126779719
Go to bed Matthew

Long-winded whinging incoming

>>126779743
A lot to reply to, and I should just write a tweet-length vague post in response?

>>126779750
Yup, or preferably kill yourself

If you type replies into a text file and copy paste them over your posts are too long

>>126779764
Linus is new to 4chan, be gentle.

This is an even bigger failure than the /r9k/ thread....

>>126779846
what about a /bleep/ thread?

>>126779878
Both are just circlejerks that just survive because the OP keeps autistically bumping it.

>>126780018
Why are you always trying to maintain the status quo?

Polyphia

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l9VFg44H2z8

Recommended listening. Anti-prawg progressive metal by the Scale It Back guy. Very alienating. The song structure is mazelike, riffs have a strange rhythm to them and bounce off the walls without being spastic, and the production underlines the alienation with drum programming and vocoded vocals. The overall mood is synthetic yet not mechanical. Definitely not the "sick riffs" kind of metal, but it's a successful realization of the idea, and I enjoy listening to it each time.

As for last night's fishing for an epic melterino, I'm not biting. The drama clique side of /metal/ will say I have a big ego, yet all they want to do is feed it. They say this general will never last, and yet they'll post off-topic shit just to bump the thread. Either quit it or admit it.
I really don't want to be the next Hector, but if cliquers want to give me the spotlight, at least I can use it to highlight cool music, so people who can tune out your noise can enjoy it.

>>126782161
I get the impression they're technique-only cheese, but I'll try some songs. Best album?

metal

>>126783890
Is this a joke? His music fucking sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNSS2oJLT4

>>126787103
Severely intoxicated post. That's from the previous EP which I don't care for and never mentioned.

>>126731382
>skim over it assuming it's more avant-prog
>look it up
>totalism including rock instruments
Will listen. Reminds me of Mantra, a performance of In C in a rock context.

Which did it better?

>>126785895
and so forth

>>126731382
Listened. There are rock instruments and I suppose rock influence, but it's a stretch to call this rock.
This work tries to tell a narrative through the language of minimalism (drone-like modern classical music achieved through a repetitive yet slowly changing process, akin to gears turning), but each time a movement builds momentum through minimalism's slow-rolling process, it jumps from to the next movement, killing the momentum and not tying them together. It fails as minimalism, and fails as a narrative composition. The technique is not up to the task.

>>126791718
Left is MoRT right? What's the right album?