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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:52:33 PM No.126729536
christgau89894
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>To me, this feels like virtue rewarded. I always considered my struggle with black music awkwardly moralistic, the white guilt trip, but as usual the real issue turned out to be aesthetic. To be blunt, black music is better. The apparent strength of white music in whatever present always seems to deteriorate. Stephen Collins Foster preferred his sentimental ballads to his "Ethiopian songs," and Paul Whiteman thought that he was doing the Muse a favor by whitening the "discordant jazz, which sprang into existence . . . from nowhere in particular," but we remember "My Old Kentucky Home," not "Poor Drooping Maiden," and listen to King Oliver while relegating Whiteman's music to the gramophone museum.

>This time, though it really seemed as if we'd escaped fate. Only a year ago, the white rock fan who dismissed what was judiciously referred to as "the soul sounds"--as if only a stylistic preference, not a race or a culture, was involved--had some credible arguments. We know the wheezing pop of the early '50s was cured by that shot of rhythm-and-blues because R&B was realistic instead of sentimental, idiosyncratic instead of mass-produced, free of show biz nonsense, and rooted in a genuine community. But by the late '60s it was soul music, which was to R&B and gospel what black power was to civil rights, that seemed unrealistic, artificial and showy, although the paradox was that it sounded worst when it tried to assimilate white modes. The excesses of the soul myth proved that black people were far from immune to the pretentious floundering that so often accompanies new consciousness.

>In contrast the best white music--not that déclassé AM bubblegum, but what was then called underground even though it was the staple of an entire industry--was the voice of a youth subculture that had reached full flower after a dozen years of nurture. It was vital, sensual and real, and not only that, it boogied.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:54:36 PM No.126729556
>>126729536 (OP)
Why do rock critics always turn out to be huge BNWO race traitors? Scaruffi also disliked The Beatles because they weren't black enough
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:54:56 PM No.126729560
>>126729536 (OP)
nigga i ain't reading Christgau's white guilt blog
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:57:04 PM No.126729572
>>126729536 (OP)
>We know the wheezing pop of the early '50s was cured by that shot of rhythm-and-blues because R&B was realistic instead of sentimental, idiosyncratic instead of mass-produced, free of show biz nonsense, and rooted in a genuine community.
Of course I don't blame him for feeling that way when the mainstream pop he's referring to was this mush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I7coQTkjqE
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:01:00 PM No.126729606
>>126729572
I always find it funny that BTTF used their original recording of Mister Sandman rather than its much more well-known (and way better) cover.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:08:32 PM No.126729673
>>126729572
there were a lot of vocal groups in the 50s the mainstream male ones that weren't R&B or doo-wop like these guys were pretty ass and are all forgotten (not even that the Beach Boys ripped their sound from the Four Freshman)
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:53:52 PM No.126730023
>>126729536 (OP)
Paul Whiteman was right btw and Cuckgau was wrong, jazz did come up from a wide range of influences some black some white some French Creole etc.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:54:49 PM No.126730590
>>126729673
>>126729572
The 50s had a million of these motherfuckers most with no distinct talent at all and mostly interchangeable.

>any random dudes who sang in a church choir as kids could get together on a street corner and get noticed by a record label suit
>get signed, make a few records get a hit or two and quietly disappear
>and then all the history books remember Little Richard not you guys