What is it about punk that attracts leftists and redditors more than any other genre?

>>126765231 (OP)
It's a talentless genre with no entry barrier that appeals to terminally online retards obsessed more with image than actual music. No wonder redditors lap it up

>>126765231 (OP)
They are desperately trying to rewrite the history of punk, which was broadly an anti-establishment movement. Did it include the things in the caption? Sure. It also included nazis and other anti-government right wingers.

>>126765231 (OP)
>punk bassist
Translation: I want to play in a band but have no talent

Punk music sucks. The Ramones and Stooges are great, but they’re incorrectly categorized as punk music by retards and poseurs

>>126765231 (OP)
>if you have facist, transphobic, homophobic, racist ideologiesm there is no place for you in punk or hardcore
i read this a lot but it never stopped me lol

>>126765231 (OP)
>>126765289
Metal is more punk than actual punk "music."

the funny thing is punk was invented by guys who either became right wing or were right wing. the ramones, johnny rotten, iggy pop was pro reagan.

punk music was about trying to capture the energy of 50s rock music, not being political though.

but as someone said above, the barrier to entry is easy for leftoids to take over. just got to know three cords.

What's up with all the trannys claiming to be punk?

It has a long history of left-leaning artists. What a dumb thread. You should all kill yourselves.

>>126765311
>Mike put ur fuckin shirt on ya fag.

Nobody born after 1980 is a real "punk" because Punk was a very specific movement that only could've existed in the post-hippie 70s and 80s and everything beyond this are just posers, these aren't punks they're just neo-punks. The original punk movement included right-wing skinheads and militant leftist tankies because they both responded to hippies the same way, by accusing them of being toothless liberals. Punk cannot be a thing in todays political climate

>>126765368
TRVKE

Just came into this thread to say punks are gross degens, and nobody of sound mind should ever associate with one, this includes anyone from any scene while I'm at it.

I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY

>>126765231 (OP)
lack of talent by everyone involved.

Punk meant something in 1976-83 but since then it's just a DNC fundraising grift.

>>126765368
thanks for the actual analysis
https://youtu.be/8S0aD6QLTxQ

>>126765231 (OP)
Its shallow and its pedantic

Which is more annoying? real pvnks or real metalheads?

>>126765231 (OP)
>submit to the globalhomos or you ain't PUNK goi
lel

>>126766270
Yeah boi!!! Racism is bad, unless you're doing it to white people!

punk is shite. the only good thing it did was inspire other, better genres

gretsch is sexy as fuck sometimes

>>126765245
before the internet culture became their echo chamber it was insufferable 'zines.

Because all left-anarchists are failures, they seek refuge in movements with the lowest possible barriers to entry. E.g. punk, folk, and worst of all, folk punk.

>>126766678
Folk has a slightly higher barrier for entry than punk because with punk you can actually hide your shit and sloppy playing behind distortion whereas with folk you're at least expected to play something beyond power chords

>>126766696
Yeah I'm sure the average folk group has vastly more talent than even top tier punk bands. But a lot of shit "folk" is just a guy strooming cowboy chords so he can sing self-righteous screeds.

they are gay pussies

WE HAVE THIS THREAD EVERY FUCKING DAY
Make like Punk Rock and become dead.

>>126765231 (OP)
guy who played in a Modern Baseball cover band: punk has always been anti-fascist

punks 40 years ago:

>>126766859
>punk has always been anti-fascist
Huge overgeneralization
Punk was a response to the hippie movement from both extremes of the political spectrum who viewed hippies as toothless liberals, it's really that simple

>>126766870
it's actually even simpler
punk was angsty kids making loud music without any political goals

>>126765231 (OP)
I dont think first wave Punks, like Dead Boys, New York Dolls, Ramones were even stongly political.
They admired MCR and The Stooges for fuck sakes. I think brits politicized Punk

>>126766953
American first wave punk bands like X were pretty strongly political

>>126766965
What specifically do you have in mind when you say X was strongly political? Examples?

>>126766965
But that was not often the case. American punk didn't get extremely political until hardcore came up

>>126767130
The song Los Angeles
>All her toys wore out in black and her boys had too
>She started to hate every nigger and Jew
>Every Mexican that gave her lotta shit
>Every homosexual and the idle rich

>>126767209
This is equivalent to wearing a Swastika for shock value like the Sex Pistols. It's just stating a social fact without adding political commentary or judgment.

>>126767238
The song is about some Cosmopolitan Liberal from Europe visiting Los Angeles and becoming dissolutioned with the local punk scene, it's a meta commentary

>>126767259
But there is no commentary. "I have a friend who became racist from living in LA" has no discernable political messaging.

>>126767283
The commentary is basiclly "punk isn't for European Liberals, its for American Tankies and Skinheads that aren't afraid of offending people" or something along those lines

>>126767315
But they never used the word liberal right? Because politics doesn't even seem to be on their minds
>She had lived there for a couple of years and she became more and more racist and stereotyping people. And to be honest there was a lot of shock value intended in the lyrics. I wanted to show the dark side or underbelly of Los Angeles. People like Dashiell Hammett, James M. Cain, and Nathanael West did — the Doors did it — so it was time for an update.
He basically lays it out here that it was shock value, or pure aesthetics to conjure this underworld image. His touchstones are crime writers.

>>126765252
It didn't, they tried to infiltrate the genre but were kicked out

>>126765245
pretty accurate
punk is very often more about the message than the music and it always has been: it's rebellious to the point of rebelling against music
whether or not the artists in question are actually transgressive isn't relevant - they perceive themselves as peaching some sort of uncomfortable truth
which is also why most of it is complete shit
>>126767341
you don't have to outright say you are being political to be political
i really don't know how you can greentext that and not see the obvious political overtones
call it ethics or metapolitics or whatever it's still tangentially and colloquially political

>>126765231 (OP)
It's very welcoming. If you're a dysgenic loser you can put on the clothes and fit right in. Further, it's "righteous". If you're a dysgenic loser, you can put on the clothes, say x thing is bullshit, and fit right in. Lastly, it's contrarian. If you're a dysgenic loser, you can put on the clothes, say x thing is bullshit, don a smug sense of superiority over your peers and their mainstream tastes, and fit right in.

Most of this applies to emo as well but the emo kids at least understand their genre going mainstream was for the better.

>>126769113
>tangentially and colloquially political
What the fuck does this even mean? Anything can be "tangentially political." Merely alluding to the existence of social issues does not make a work of art expressly political. There is no expression of a political viewpoint in these songs.

>>126769162
>It's very welcoming. If you're a dysgenic loser you can put on the clothes and fit right in. Further, it's "righteous". If you're a dysgenic loser, you can put on the clothes, say x thing is bullshit, and fit right in. Lastly, it's contrarian. If you're a dysgenic loser, you can put on the clothes, say x thing is bullshit, don a smug sense of superiority over your peers and their mainstream tastes, and fit right in.
this is the same with any alternative group, white power is exactly the same. At least punk is creative and not really malicious like many other groups that lost people get groomed into

>>126769236
>At least punk is creative
You could say that about anything. Punk is not creative, it's been stagnant for like 40 years. It's the same songs and people wear the same clothes.
But yes, good for you for catching that I'm basically saying it's like any cult that targets losers.

>>126769236
>At least punk is creative and not really malicious
libtoid lefturd "antifa" mentally castrated cuckolds bowing, kneeling and grovelling at the feet of the very very kosher technocrats (both sides serve the same master), begging for complete chattelization and ritualistic humiliation and grooming everyone around them into their total submission anti-White anti-natalist death cult is not "malicious" to you?

>>126769279
mental illness the post

I don't really mean to say all punks are losers but it's clear a large chunk of any audience will be people who are seeking acceptance, desperately. I've gone to plenty of punk shows and had fun, say in the pit, it's plenty energetic. But it seems inescapable that there will be some sort of "we are one big happy fambly" wholesome chungus element at play.

Ironically the real "punk" attitudes I've noticed are at shows where people smoke lots of weed, like white boy reggae. Those people are angry and will destroy your venue, the only thing keeping them mellow is their addiction to marijuana.

>>126769291
thanks for debunking his dangerous misinformation

>>126765355
>You should all kill yourselves.
stop triggering people with mental illness you ableist chud

>>126765258
Go play Holiday In Cambodia on the bass see how easy it is

>>126766953
MC5 were massively leftist they joined the white panthers ffs

>>126768389
>source: wikipedia
Lol you werent there

>>126769535
>10-9-8-7
> 0-0-0-0
You are why bass players are stereotyped as unskilled retards. There is nothing difficult about this.

>>126765289
Stooges yes but Ramores were 100% Punk, retard

>>126766399
TRVKE CARPET BOMBING

Any proof Punks were against hippies?

>>126770655
https://medium.com/illumination-curated/why-do-punks-hate-hippies-e3093a720536
>When push came to shove, hippies were middle-class kids who offered the working class absolutely no solutions. They were more concerned with their feelings and were seen by the punks as lacking action. Nowhere is this better symbolised than by the famous image of the flower in the barrel of the rifle, demonstrating the lack of willingness on the part of hippies to act aggressively and fight fire with fire.

>>126765252
>It also included nazis and other anti-government right wingers.
No it didn't. I was there.

>>126770892
Where?

>>126770414
Got his ass

>>126770688
This is retarded punk indulgence faggotry. The real reason is that punk, lilke metal and some other genres, was born because people got bored of hippie rock music. Originally, punk was dudes in suits trying to play rock like in the 1950s, you know, before hippie music.

>>126770414
the intro is the only tab you looked at
Pick up a bass and play the whole song guitar boy
Im sure it's way easier than your drop d power chords

Punk has been dead for over 50 years now, it was a necessary thing that happened in the late 70s which kicked the door in for a lot of other music and that's the only time it really existed.

>>126770892
You really genuinely think that the 'punks' today would be able to cope with the punks in 77 fucking around with swasticas to be edgy? They already scream for government intervention if they see one posted on the fucking internet.

Anyone who talks about being a punk today is like someone calling themselves a hippie today.

>punk is dead
Then so is nearly every other popular genre of music still going today. There's been at least one great punk record every decade since its inception. The only thing that's graveyard dead is scenes. There is no punk scene, metal scene, nothing, just a bunch of faggots writing reviews for zero dollars on the internet.
>punk is leftist
Yes, ugly freaks always think claiming something means the issue is settled. And as always, there's nothing they can do when it does otherwise.
>(Former) bassist ...
No one gives a fuck what a "former" anything says about anything, but especially a former bassist.

Punk has always been music for genetic dead ends without talent so naturally it appeals to modern leftists

>>126765231 (OP)
It attracts leftists because:
>no talent needed to start/join a punk "band"
>music is intentionally shit so you can just bang on your instrument and seethe
>easily accessible because the music literally doesnt matter, literally just get the cheapest amp and guitar you can find and a shit drumkit and scream the status quo and they will say you're good
>praises bad hygiene and right think while violently suppressing individuality, critical thinking and dissenting opinions
>the scene will collectively eat its own in a millisecond if one shows any sign of thinking for themselves
>smug and self-righteous while at the same time possessing horrible values and a shocking lack of morality

>>126772070
Are you fucking with him or something? I don't even play bass and I could play this bullshit all the way through.

>>126772070
lmao the arrogance. This guy checks out as being in a punk band

punks entire thing is standing up to social hierarchies and treating everyone as equals

>>126772534
*seethes uncontrollably and cancels you for disagreeing with them and misusing their preferred pronouns*
t. punk

>>126765252
All these “NUH-UH” replies. Back before reddit, you could be punk and be completely apolitical, which meant you were free to hate anyone for any reason whatsoever and lefty-punks knew they were hypocrites if they told you that you weren’t allowed to have your own opinion.

>>126765231 (OP)
you've already lost when you have to ask this question

>>126765231 (OP)
That pedostache looks awful.

>>126769279
dysgenic loser: the post
how ironic lol

>>126774273
he got under your skin, don't pretend he didn't kek

>>126765231 (OP)
not to be that guy but isn't the whole point of punk "yada yada revolt against the government, fuck the capitalists"? sounds pretty left to me

>>126774314
When I wanted to start a punk band in the 90s it had absolutely nothing to do with politics, I just liked the music and it was easy

>>126774273
redditor

>>126765231 (OP)
Talentlessness

>>126765231 (OP)
It was always anti establishment, anti conservatives, faggot. You don't belong.

>>126768389
Johnny Ramone was a widely known republican, you dumb-fuck.

>>126770892
Hanging out at malls in the 90's doesn't make you punk.

>>126775306
This kind of gatekeeping is very cringe

>>126774273
>gets massively BTFO
>"ugly incel"
lefturds... the most powerful race...

>>126772783
I thought punk as a musical movement was just meant as a rejection of how pretentious that hard rock/metal and prog were perceived to have become and to show that you didn't have to have advanced technical chops like Ritchie Blackmore or Bill Bruford to be in a band

>>126769279
haha anon what are you talking about? Those are silly far-right conspiracy theories!

>>126775472
stop being reasonable

How are the pyrexia albums besides this one?

>>126775472
But muh narrative

>>126775620
Listen and report back maybe? Do you like music or no?

>>126765231 (OP)
the fact that the music sucks

welcome to punk now follow the rules

>>126765252
/thread

>>126775300
>major label "punk"
lel, lmao even
>>126765231 (OP)
outcast music genre
why do conventionally pretty people only listen to top 40?

>>126774314
>fuck the capitalists
Cool it with the anti semitic remarks.

>>126765231 (OP)
That's what kept the posers going after 1978-79, when punk actually died.

>>126765779
It's really fucking funny how redditors and tiktok influencers are trying to cancel Danzig now.

>>126779045
>now
what do you think Mother was all about?

A saw a video the other day where some woman from a hardcore band had started using the bands social media accounts to talk about shitlib nonsense and she was whining about how they were losing followers with every post so she set up a patreon. I'm no expert, but if talking about politics is turning people away then maybe you're wrong and should shut up?

>>126775205
Now explain how uncritically espousing the same messaging found in mainstream media including every film and TV show, every school, NGOs and every Western government is "anti establishment".

>>126779182
Virtually all entertainment is either knowingly or unwittingly the propaganda arm of neoliberalism. In the case of punk they are simply useful idiots.

>>126779058
what was it about?

so which of the original punk groups were fascists or white supremacist? name them, chuds

>>126779244
No one. That's kind of the point. They were just kids having fun and DIY'ing. And trolls. But very few were political one way or another. Unless you think there's some big commentary about Dee Dee wanting to sniff some glue.

>>126779237
people trying to cancel him

>>126765311
>my band
Lmao he's a one man band

>rock and roll is a thing that needs to
>DIIIIIIIIE
>DIE, DIE DIE DIE
>DIIIIIIIIIE DIIIIIIIIIIIE DIIIIIIIIIIIIE DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE

>>126779244
You sure moved those goalposts far, I can barely see them from here.
The point us that not every punk band was in lockstep with establishment left wing politics. That there were bands who eschewed left wing politics and embraced "chud" messaging or aesthetics either to be edgy or because they considered it more punk to piss off preachy left wing punks and the "Maximum Rocknroll" crowd.
A few I'm aware of: Ramones, Sex Pistols, Fear, Teenage Queers, The Exploited, Gang Green, The FU's, The Vandals, Vile, White Pride, Ism, Chronic Sick, VKTMS, Hypnotics, Iron Cross, Last Rights (as well as most bands frontman Jack Kelly aka "Choke" was involved with), Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags.

And while not expressed in their music or image, the Bad Brains tried to assault the frontman of the Big Boys for being homosexual. Literal gay-bashing was also said to be common in the New York scene, with bands like Cro-Mags and Agnostic Front accused of taking part in it.

So as others ITT have indicated, real life is shades of gray and to claim that punk was always strictly left wing is revisionist fiction. Especially when you had punk darlings like the Bad Brains that every punk band in America worshipped ranting about faggots and even getting violent about it. Punk was more diverse than modern punks want to admit.

>>126774314
No. This anon gets it
>>126775472
I know people like to argue about which was the first "punk" band, but if you're going off the general consensus that it was the Ramones, the vast majority of their lyrics were either about being in love with girls or horror movies
I think Misfits were one of the few big punk bands that ended up sort of following in their footsteps. The idea that punk was specifically political in the UK was because the first wave of punk bands there mostly sang about politics. Of course, I'm one of those people who prefer the Buzzcocks and the Stranglers to the Clash/Sex Pistols

>>126770655
>Any proof Punks were against hippies?
Not saying all of them, but California Uber Alles by the Dead Kennedys was written because the frontman hated hippies about Jerry Brown, government of California
>After the song's initial release, mild confusion arose in the Bay Area music scene as to why Biafra (who was outspoken about his far-left political views) was targeting Jerry Brown (a notably liberal politician for the time). Brown succeeded Ronald Reagan as governor of California, and Reagan was a seemingly more obvious target. However, Biafra frequently expressed his disdain for hippies, and the Dead Kennedys often satirized both left-wing and right-wing politicians.

punk won in the end, it became the root of all popular music since 1980. any time you hear a Nickelback song, that came out of punk--just barking over 3 chord rock with no solos. hip-hop also owed its existence to punk since no actual music skill was needed there.

>>126780503
until some band covered CUA and updated the lyrics to be about Gavin Newsom and Jello had a chimpout over it

>>126765828
exploited are better heard not seen
fish and chips guitarist

>>126772805
goddamn I need me a cute rasta elaine

>>126774314
Being anti-government by itself doesn’t classify a person as right-wing or left-wing necessarily.

>>126765231 (OP)
Punk was a movement of mostly middle-class teenagers, although it started with lower-class kids. It was all about debauchery, any politics were buried beneath drugs and promiscuity. Despite this being the view of scarymonger busybodies, they were right all along. You see most post-punk documentaries problematizing how punk's “revolution” never went anywhere, or if it even had a revolution in the first place. Others have the more romanticized idea that it was co-opted by corporations, but that's bullshit, since then the biggest genre act has been manufactured by a major label. I love punk, especially the American strain derived from LA, which is now known as hardcore punk. But everything about punk is overblown.

Yeah great, a whole thread of retards trying to reverse engineer Greil Marcus' essays from conjecture, 4chan memes and youtube essays, except without the benefit of talent or knowledge. What else is new?

>>126769279
Your based right wing president just made palantir, meta, and openai an official part of the military, retard

>>126780544
That's not to say that he was right wing or anything, but the reason he chose Brown instead of Reagen was the hippie thing. If you look at the lyrics of Holiday in Cambodia, it's also criticising young American leftists in college for trying to defend that regime
>until some band covered CUA and updated the lyrics to be about Gavin Newsom and Jello had a chimpout over it
Can you give a link to this. This sounds incredibly funny.

>>126765311
Its honestly punk as fuck to make people like you somehow seethe by using a device for its exact purpose lol

>>126781745
>by using a device for its exact purpose
Would you like to try to explain this in a way that makes sense to the average person?

>>126765245
fpbp

>>126779182
lmao gottem

>>126766406
Hideous color.

>>126782756
The bigger problem is that quilted maple doesn't make for a good topwood

>>126769279
This struck a few nerves.

>>126781745
>Its honestly punk as fuck to make people like you somehow seethe by using a device for its exact purpose lol

most people aren't seething, but throwing up from disgust

>>126777512
>>major label "punk"
>lel, lmao even
Yeah, fuck The Clash; (((industry))) plants.

>>126781771
Keeps titties from bouncing. Whats the problem?

>>126783533
>major label "punk"
>even worse, "reggae" worshippers
yeah, fuck them too