Reminder that unless you're a boomer wanting to live out his rockstar fantasies playing shitty bar gigs, there's absolutely no reason to buy any guitar hardware.
Literally everything an amp does can be replicated with a few stock audio effects if your goal is just to actually create music.

They'll seethe and call you a poorfag for producing your own original music while they're covering La Grange for the 800th time in front of a few neighborhood drunks.

>>126805113 (OP)
I wish Jimmy Page or Neil Young had listened to this guy in 1964 clearly he would have known better than them that their efforts were a total waste of time and they'd never make it.

>>126805160
they didn't have that technology in 1964
they made way more money from touring than recording in 1964
and they were already big in 1964 so they could buy whatever they want and have professionals manage all the gear

If you're not already a major touring artist right now you likely never will be so you're just making music for the sake of music, in which case you don't have the funds to throw thousands to throw around when you could have equal quality and way more control from digital

>no talent hack makes fun of another no talent hack that's also poor

>>126805113 (OP)
you don't need the guitar or the computer
make music only with a phone app

>>126805113 (OP)
how do I get big brain enough to recreate gear effects using plugins. I didn't even know saturator had those settings lmao

>>126805113 (OP)
how do I recreate Bastl thyme or soft pop with digital for free

techfucks are so focused on the objective they forget the fun of playing. sad!

>>126805113 (OP)
No, you can’t make real rock music in a DAW.

>>126805113 (OP)
>there's absolutely no reason to buy any guitar hardware.
I prefer very much to play the guitar through my computer instead of using midi. It isn't important, or make it better necessarily, but it is easier for me at this point and I can run through ideas faster that way.

>>126806386
your idea of fun is turning physical knobs instead of digital knobs?
the fun of playing is playing.
>>126806707
why not? literally all rock music made in the last 20 years has been through some sort of daw
>>126806731
no one is talking about midi, only tone

>>126805113 (OP)
You forgot about the $2k macbook youd need to effectively use the plugin though. A $2k macbook youre gonna have to buy every 4 years.

My dad bought a full marshall stack in the 80s and it still fuckin kicks. And he paid $2k for it back then.

>>126810355
or you could just use your existing pc like a heterosexual

Boring as shit to not have real amps and pedals you just don't wanna spend money, might aswell skip playing guitar and just program artificial riffs. Can't make a woman coom without my Amp dialed in

>>126810355
I'm anti computer musicians but for the record the macbook I got 7 years ago works just fine today why would I need a new one

>>126805113 (OP)
You will never push air. You will never bask in the warm glow of overheated valves. You will never be a woman.

>>126810375
Bring your entire PC on stage and try not to get laughed at

>>126810404
Cool man I hope it works 30 years from now too. But lets be real here.

>>126805113 (OP)
>there's absolutely no reason to buy any guitar hardware
I don't even play electric guitar and I know that no two pieces of gear even of the same brand sound exactly alike. And if this is bait, what's the fucking point?

>>126805113 (OP)
You can make much shttier sounding effects if you fuck around with computer

>>126805113 (OP)
I actually kind of agree.

Amp sims and DSP have gotten REALLY good in recent years, and while you could argue it doesn't sound identical to hardware (although some can easily pass a blind listening test now), the reality is that it doesn't matter - what matters if it is sounds good in a mix, and the digital "fake" stuff absolutely does. Sometimes, an amp that sounds awesome irl can sound like asswipe in a mix once its mic'd up, while modern amp sims/effects can be dialled in far more precisely.

Guitar gearfagging doesn't make sense in modern production and mixing, a lot of the time the mix engineer will replace whatever gear wankery the guitarist insisted on using with the DI'd recording being reamped by virtual effects instead anyway. A real guitar is still a necessity, however, as virtual guitar VSTs all sound like buttwipe with limited articulation/expression compared to the real thing.

>>126805113 (OP)
You ever been in a room with a real drum set?

>>126805113 (OP)
I feel that latency is still a problem at the low end. My PC is an indie machine and has latency problems. To fix this you need at least a $500 PC setup. And if you buy the other stuff you'll spend on the rest, it's at least $1500. Surely it's much cheaper than analog? It depends on where you live. If it's the US, you can still buy analog stuff on the cheap. But if you go abroad, the prices go up, so analog becomes unsustainable. Unless you start gigging, which is out of the question for most people. Music, or hobbies in general, will never be cheap. Some are expensive for dumb reasons, like TCGs and comic books. Others are expensive for more understandable reasons, like everything about technology, music, electronic games, sports...

No one in this thread has ever played music in a band with other people lmao

mfw zoomers are now self appointed experts on guitar tone despite their generation failing to produce even 1(one) notable guitar based album, not even a riff

>>126805113 (OP)
No one cares

>>126805113 (OP)
I own a Marshall head and cab but 99% of the time I play though a load box with IRs into my studio monitors. I don't use a cab at all for home playing
My next piece of gear will definitely be a Quad Cortex though

I have a big amp because it sounds good and I can play live :^) Didn't cost me 8 grand either, cost me about 1/8th of that about 15 years ago, not a terribly huge investment for what it is.

I also like turning up loud and micing up close and putting a condenser in my bathroom to get a big sound.

But more importantly I like being near the amp as I play and getting the little talkback between the instrument and the speakers, I've done DI recording many times and it's alright but you never get the same kind of performance.

>>126812699
yep I was just thinking it's ironic zoomers claim to be some authority on gear now when they have not once made a single memorable song in their lives

>>126812806
>But more importantly I like being near the amp as I play and getting the little talkback between the instrument and the speakers, I've done DI recording many times and it's alright but you never get the same kind of performance.
Very true, I like the dynamic of recording 'live' through the amp rather than reamping. Especially in noisier songs where I want feedback. Lately, I've been using a DI box so I can send my signal to the amp and to the DAW for a "backup" DI track.

>>126805113 (OP)
I don’t need a big amp, I don’t need more than one guitar or car, I don’t need more than one bedroom. I don’t need my TV to be so big, I don’t need all these watches. I don’t need to have a robot that cuts my grass or a different robot that hoovers the floor. I don’t need almost anything I own, I just have it because why not

>>126805113 (OP)
1.) It's good to have access to musical tools that live outside your computer. This is true for pretty much every musical instrument; not just guitar stuff. Synths, samplers, etc. Interacting with them is more direct, more fun, more instantaneous and more rewarding. Also if your computer shits the bed you're not 100% fucked.
2.) It's 2025 and virtual amp sims STILL can't replicate tube amps all that accurately. They're always gonna sound a tiny bit shittier.
3.) Gear doesn't have to cost that much. You can get a passable one for like $500. A MacBook costs $1k at least.
4.) Your logic is stupid because if we take it to its furthest logical extent, all instruments are obsolete because the MacBook exists. Why not just use prompts to construct slop from thin air instead of bothering with acoustic instruments or electronic instruments or DAWs or VSTs or anything like that? The technology has advanced enough for the end result to be virtually indistinguishable from The Real Thing in blind tests, why not just kill off the creative process entirely? There's something you're not considering here.
5.) You are a diseased gay pedophile. You suck baby dicks for fun and you have mega-AIDS. You fondle little boys. Kill yourself.

I'll switch to digital when digital can accurately replicate the sound of my tube amp. They're still not close

>>126811222
>stage
ok Slash

>>126811670
>no two pieces of gear even of the same brand sound exactly alike
no one said all gear sounds the same, just that it could be replicated close enough digitally that in a full wall of sound with other instruments not even the most autistic audiophile could reliably distinguish,
and if you still care about that level of quality then you're already a successful established musician so you're not reading this thread on this site.

>>126812601
I have for years and it's not that fun, thats why major bands all end up hating eachother after a few years.
if your goal is to make money then yeah it's the only way for any kind of rock.
if your goal is to make music just diy that shit, maybe hire a session musician if needed.
It'll cost you, but you can save money by not being a wasteful gear fag when digital is 99% as good and indistinguishable in a mix.

>>126812806
>$1000 for ONE meh-ass amp
you could have a ton more sound options, some probably even better than that amp, for a lot cheaper if you went digital.

>>126813197
>1.) It's good to have access to musical tools that live outside your computer. This is true for pretty much every musical instrument; not just guitar stuff. Synths, samplers, etc. Interacting with them is more direct, more fun, more instantaneous and more rewarding. Also if your computer shits the bed you're not 100% fucked.
then get a cheap basic used amp for jamming, for recording using digital is basically just an expensive novelty at this point
>2.) It's 2025 and virtual amp sims STILL can't replicate tube amps all that accurately. They're always gonna sound a tiny bit shittier.
and no one fuckin cares when listening to a song
>3.) Gear doesn't have to cost that much. You can get a passable one for like $500. A MacBook costs $1k at least.
$500 amp might be fine for jamming, for recording you're much better off spending that $500 on sims. and no one needs a macbook
>4.) Your logic is stupid because if we take it to its furthest logical extent, all instruments are obsolete because the MacBook exists. Why not just use prompts to construct slop from thin air instead of bothering with acoustic instruments or electronic instruments or DAWs or VSTs or anything like that? The technology has advanced enough for the end result to be virtually indistinguishable from The Real Thing in blind tests, why not just kill off the creative process entirely? There's something you're not considering here.
software instruments sound nothing like the real thing (unless it's synths, and to a degree drums), effects and amps sound either close enough or identical to the real thing and thats the most expensive shit you'll get as a guitarist usually
>5.) You are a diseased gay pedophile. You suck baby dicks for fun and you have mega-AIDS. You fondle little boys. Kill yourself.
glad you added this little meltdown at the end, because your seething proves you know deep down im right and you're a retard in denial

>>126805113 (OP)
There's lots of great ways to get good guitar sounds via software but that way is uber retarded. Also a half stack doesn't cost that much.
Reverb.com had a guy explaining how to record guitar on ableton and he didn't even know you need to place a cab block after the amp sim block. Something I figured out by hearing how shit it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8P-SDSTgeU&t=404

>>126805113 (OP)
>thing you like is wrong, you should like thing that I like instead
Thanks OP, /mu/ didn't have enough of these posts already.

>>126810355
>2k in the 80's
Shoukd have bought gold

>>126814783
>then get a cheap basic used amp for jamming, for recording using digital is basically just an expensive novelty at this point
That's guitar hardware, which you just said there was no reason to buy. Retard.
>and no one fuckin cares when listening to a song
Enough people care to keep manufacturers of tube amps in business.
>$500 amp might be fine for jamming, for recording you're much better off spending that $500 on sims.
Why? You haven't explained why.
>and no one needs a macbook
You can try producing music in a Chromebook but that would be like trying to build a house out of toothpicks and bubblegum.
>software instruments sound nothing like the real thing (unless it's synths, and to a degree drums),
Modeling software has grown to a point where even modeled violins and guitars are indistinguishable from the real thing. Does this make real violins and guitar obsolete? No, obviously not. Because it's not just about the means of production. The tools you use influence the things you do with them. Design and interface is important.
Also, I used the word "prompts" for a reason. Your logic renders even most music production software obsolete.
>effects and amps sound either close enough or identical to the real thing and thats the most expensive shit you'll get as a guitarist usually
But again, sound quality alone is not the sole reason to buy physical hardware.
>glad you added this little meltdown at the end, because your seething proves you know deep down im right and you're a retard in denial
Oh did I mention you also make out with donkey assholes in your spare time? It's why your breath smells like donkey ass.

>>126808767
name one rock album made in FL that doesn't sound like shit

>>126812699
guitar music is a lost art. everything that gets touched by millennials and zoomers sounds like shit. nobody knows how to produce good sounding records anymore. there will never be another siamese dream. I've seen a video of some metalfag trying to recreate that sound, but it sounded nothing like the original. and the drum sound he chose omg. people born after 1980 have it hardwired in their brain that rock must sound like sterile garbage

>>126814783
>and no one fuckin cares when listening to a song
it's not that they don't care, it's more about not even noticing in the first place
like, people shat their pants when Josh Homme revealed a shitty peavey solid state amp was the secret to their success
uneducated gearfags live in this fantasy where they think their favorite artists record only using tube amps and whatever brand of guitar they're sponsored by
chances are you favorite song was recorded with cheap strat lying around in some studio instead of that golden les paul

redundancy is good. use computer for everything > computer breaks > you're SOL. use computer in tandem with physical gear > physical gear breaks > doesn't matter, I have computer or vice versa. computer breaks > doesn't matter, I have my gear.

>>126814783
> no one fuckin cares when listening to a song
little details add up to larger sums. this mentality creates shitty art. if you keep ignoring tiny little details because who cares then eventually you're going to end up with something that is intangibly and vaguely shitty even when you zoom out. this is why AI music sucks even when the fidelity is clear enough.