Thread 126845391

By now it should be obvious that academic elites are shoving rap “artists” like Kendrick Lamar down our throats. Why else would his music now be taught in universities?

So what caused this? You need to learn history.

Starting in the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded intellectuals, musicians and artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw

There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason.

Now Kendrick has been receiving an unbelievable number of accolades for the past 12 years. He's won a Pulitzer Prize and upheld as the greatest cultural icon of recent history. And he’s now being taught in an academic setting. Why? Because as American workers are starting to rise up, CIA-backed intellectuals promote rap as a way to offset any true proletarian culture from emerging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9wPxY-LUwE

This is evil.

What’s wrong with learning about rap in college of rap is a significant part of western culture now?

Non schizophrenic history here
>internet got invented
>mu got created
>anon made 500 meme threads here and on tv that went positively nowhere
>some pol zoomers got confused and thought it was a successful meme so they try to force it

>>126845391 (OP)
You're an unemployed, socially isolated incel with no degree and you're not currently going to college. No one is shoving anything down your throat

>>126845413
>>126845448
So why teach Kendrick’s music specifically? You don’t believe there’s an agenda?

>>126845391 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KVAfLa-oqA

>>126845541
It's modern and not just songs about killing opps
What you want them to study SpotemGottem lyrics?
Or ancient shit from the 90s?

MUSTARDDDDDDDD

>>126845391 (OP)
Interesing take

>>126845391 (OP)
Lmao. Hard to defend the academia from the Trump cuts when they waste money in shit like this. Whe you will ever use "knowledge" of this?

Im gonna send my daughter to temple to get her masters in kendrick lamar

>>126845391 (OP)
The CIA-invented-hip-hop conspiracy is fucking stupid. Why would they waste their time promoting fucking rap of all things?

>>126845541
It’s highly culturally relevant. He’s basically the contemporary Elvis, John Lennon, or Michael Jackson in terms of impact on popular culture.

>>126845391 (OP)
the CIA has for sure influenced music, them mass producing LSD basically defined 60's culture but you're posting on 4chan that is targeted by russian/chinese/cia/fbi posters 24/7

>>126845391 (OP)
As much as OP is obviously a schizo, I do find it telling how white (and Jewish) intellectuals seem to like Kendrick more than Black peoples do.

>>126847864
That's true of all lyrical miracle rappers though. More whites than Blacks fuck with Nas, for instance.

cool another copypasta thread on the catalog 24/7

>>126847069
Did you not read the OP? The CIA wants to promote rap in order to prevent actual music about the struggles of the working-class to take hold. It's the same reason why the deep state did whatever they could to prevent a Trump victory last year and are now doing whatever they can to destabilize Trump's presidency.

The working people of America do not want hip hop. They do not want electronic music. They do not want music about sex, drugs and other vices, or music that glorifies criminal activity. They want music that speaks to their values as workers and also music that beautifies the world (like classical). You think farmers, steel workers and coal miners are listening to Kendrick? No. Hipsters in Williamsburg and Silver Lake are.

>>126849944
penis, penis penis penis, penis. Penis penis penis penis. Penis.

>>126849944
>You think farmers, steel workers and coal miners are listening to Kendrick? No. Hipsters in Williamsburg and Silver Lake are.
Those hipsters have objectively better taste. Also, coal miners aren't listening to Mozart either bud.

>>126845391 (OP)
>>126849944
Correct. Essential working class artists and composers?
>>126849961
>lumpenprole inner monologue

>>126849944
Kendrick doesn't rap about sex, drugs, or violent shit.

>>126845428
The CIA having a significant amount of control over popular culture is a documented fact.

>>126850221
What do you think swimming pools or king kunta is about?

>>126849944
You forgot to mention that the main reason why the CIA would push Kendrick's music or any other "groundbreaking" American popular music is largely to do with promoting capitalist cultural supremacy. That's the main reason why the CIA was funding abstract expressionist art in the 1950s: they wanted to show the world that America was such a beacon of freedom that even shitty art was admired. The thing about Kendrick Lamar being hailed as some kind of culture god is for the same reason. I mean just look at his Superbowl performance where he used the imagery of the American flag (as opposed to, say, the Pan-African flag).

>>126845391 (OP)
ok now explain why plenty of universities have courses about Taylor Swift

>>126850611
None

>>126849944
That image will never cease to infuriate me.

>>126845391 (OP)
Holy shit, what a fucking joke. At least pick a good rapper like Future instead of some nasal voiced manlet faggot.

>>126847544
>"culturally relevant"
How? Drake has more relevance than Kdot judging by streaming numbers.

>>126845391 (OP)
>Are you surprised by this?
Not especially. In this country they were trying to push for schoolchildren to learn Stormzy instead of Shakespeare because it was "more culturally relevant."
The negrification of society will soon be incorporated into the education system, effectively meaning you will be forced to pay taxes to have your children negrified.

>>126845391 (OP)
This isn't anything new, idiot. If you take a modern music course in any prominent university you'll be talking about hip hop 80% of the time.

>>126850887
Yeah it's bullshit. Those Chinese and Soviet orchestras were funded by the state (culture from above) whereas hip hop was originally made by Black kids in the ghetto doing their own thing (culture from below).

Mos Def is a tankie. NoName is a tankie. Immortal Technique is a tankie. Would OP talk shit about them the way he talks shit about Kendrick? I think not.

Seriously though, why is the US government/corporate regime promoting this guy so hard? Is it because he never mentions Gaza? His fame took off a lot after October 7th of 2023, after all...

>>126851196
People act like Drake is the villain here when it's blatantly obvious Kendrick is the shabbos goy.

Drake's contract was about to expire so he demanded more money from UMG but instead of paying him what he was worth UMG decided to wage a career-destroying campaign against him by artificially boosting Kendrick's diss tracts. UMG is owned by ultra-Zionists Lucian Grainge and Bill Ackman. Kendrick's song Meet The Grahams was also produced by The Alchemist, who is Israeli and a gigantic Zionist.

That explains why the media has pumped Kendrick so hard in the past year and a half.

>>126851273
You're mainly right but I don't see how Israel/Palestine has anything to do with this. Pretty sure UMG just wanted to rip off Drake.

>>126849944
"The working people of America do not want hip hop. They do not want electronic music."
You must be living under a rock and/or not have a working class job. I'm not bumpin classical music, I'm bumpin KRS-One. Public Enemy. Parliament Funkadelic. At HVAC school, they was bumpin Soul, Blues, oldies, R'n'b, Hip hop & Rap (Modern & Oldschool), country, and Rock music (Classic 80s and metal). Not one classical piece was played. It sounds like to me that you don't want Hip Hop or Electronic music and you're just makin up things.

>>126851122
The only people that really gave a fuck about Shakespeare in school were either 4.0 GPA students because they had to ace every subject and glee club theater kids. I don't know who this Stormzy character is, but if you care that much about Shakespeare, it might be time to come out of the closet.

https://youtu.be/YOzPWQS1Rw4?si=1CbZkTngkr-BWQHx

>>126847544
what actual impact he had? aying his nemesis is a pedo as hides a daughter with 0 evidence?

nah, Kendrick is a bitch

>>126851196
>>126851273
They just arrested the guy who waved a Palestinian flag during the Super Bowl performance. And Kendrick has said nothing about it.

>>126854538
Why should Kendrick care?

>>126854699
His entire brand is being socially conscious.

>>126845391 (OP)
If you go and see Kendrick Lamar's audiences in places like Latin America, you'll notice that most of them are upper-middle-class white mestizo college kids. No black people is actually interested about this guy.

Rap became a thing for neurotic white trust fund yuppies since Kanye invented bougie rap.

>>126856119
So, exactly like his American audience.

>>126855588
Black-Palestinian solidarity is beyond forced at this point. Ever consider most Black folks only want to focus on issues that are specific to their communities rather than being the saviours of every single group of marginalized peoples?

average Kendrick fan looks like a problem glasses feminist and works in HR

>>126845391 (OP)
Yes? Academics love niche topics so I can see why they’d focus on Kendrick.

>>126847544
That’s a joke, right?

Remember five years ago when everyone said the sane shit about Billie Eilish?

>>126845391 (OP)
tl;dr

>>126845391 (OP)
Good thread

>>126858836
“The CIA puts hip hop in our schools to keep workers from overthrowing the government”

>>126850917
>Future
>good rapper
Even Brokencyde is better than Future. Future is the rap equivalent of Billie Eilish.

>>126859290
>>126859290
>>126859290
>>126859290

>>126859346
This.

Now that USAID is being gutted you can be sure rap will massively decline in popularity.

>>126859515
Rap has been falling off for a while, it's not exclusively that but a lot of the dirty money funding it was killed since several big criminal outfits were RICO-ed in the last 8 years.

>>126859531
Correct. A lot of rap is simply a front for drug trafficking and other gang activity. Been that way since the 90s of not the 80s.

like i mean 6ix9ine literally told the Feds that they were trying to market Threeway

Little known fact: Kendrick was one of the authors of Hubert Selby Jr’s Requiem for a Dream

>>126845541
This. They should teach Drake and Lil Wayne instead.

>>126859946
Unironically, 90% of mainstream rappers since 2012 have been influenced by Wayne.

>>126860462
I know, that's why they're all garbage

>>126845541
Some random assistant professor probably wanted to teach a class on their favorite topic and got approval from a chill dean, nothing unusual here

>>126845541
What agenda? Show me an agenda.

>>126859346
40-year old hag here.

Something definitely happened to music post-2001. Maybe it was the fallout from 9/11. Either way, I remember pop music up until that point being epic. Pop was good. Rock was good. Rap was good. Electronic music was good. Country was good. Latin music was good. Then after 2001 all of that seemed to disappear.

>>126850887
>>126851171
It's correct. Only capitalism can organize the vast network of skilled labor necessary to produce integrated circuits. Leonard Read's famous pencil is just a pointy stick compared to a CPU. The most primitive sampler utterly BTFOs the finest acoustic instruments in total skill needed to produce it.

>>126850516
>swimming pools
it's about how drinking is bad and leads you to bad situations

>>126862359
Samplers and computers aren't the products of capitalism, idiot. They came about due to millions of dollars in R&D from the government (that's taxpayer money).

>>126862421
Taxpayer money that only existed because of capitalism.

>>126862485
Public funding isn't unique to capitalism.

>>126862490
No other system can generate the surplus wealth needed to develop advanced technology.

Can’t be worse than their african-american "poetry". You expected them to study Zukofsky lol?
What do these people even do besides acting tough for corpo-pop music? Jazz is well dead and buried.

>>126862601
Jazz was the first lumpen art form to be astroturfed by elites. When jazz first became popular all the working people hated it. CPUSA's publication New Masses even denounced it as bourgeois. It was the high end literati who force fed the genre to everyone.

>>126845391 (OP)
I had a literature class back in 2016 and the professor who looked like a sóyjak come to life had the "This is America" song as a subject for finals, we had to analyze all the intricacies of the music video and how it reflected on black culture and social critique and all that shit.

Needless to say I dropped that class very fucking quickly but all the other students in class could not have been more elated when the professort started blasting the song mid-way through lectures.

This was in Germany btw.

>>126862608
I can't say I was ever the world's greatest jazz enthusiast. Something about it never quite spoke to me.

>>126862608
there was a compelling argument that in the 50s R&R, R&B, blues, and country were the working man's music while jazz and trad pop were lumpen music

>>126860936
i'm sure you can find a college course about Star Wars too if you look

>>126862608
Jazz had to get hammered into big band to sell it to the masses and of course the jazz snobs believed Glenn Miller and Paul White were Lucifer.

during the 60s the lumpen crowd moved into folk and singer songwriters and wrote diatribes about Led Zeppelin being this and that because working class kids listened to them

>>126845391 (OP)
rap and hiphop are art but I have never listened to a Kendrick Lamar song that has been thoughtful or a real piece of art, fucking Jay Z has done art, Kendrick is still very mediocre and riding on the hating drake hype

>>126865096
Kendrick is ultimate DEI corporate product for lumpenproletariats; he never had anything to actually say.

>>126856119
kek, anyone remember kenny's Pop-Out concert? Literally a crowd of asians, latinos, and whites shouting:
>WE DON'T WANNA HEAR YOU SAY NIGGA NO MORE
At Drake, shit was hilarious. kennycels had no arguments that could explain that away.

>>126862323
Hot

>>126864953
How so?

I would have thought ppl would have cared/protect Barry Gordoe

This ain't a white thing. Jews r jaws

>>126845391 (OP)
>The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites,
What do you mean? Petty criminals rob hipsters all the time in gentrifying neighbourhoods.

>>126845413
he isn't Cormac McCarthy or Alice Munro, there's no legit reason to have a course on just him lol
be serious

>>126845736
how about 10 of the most importamt rappers, instead of just one
to have an entire course on Kendrick you have to load it with filler

but these for-profit American unis are pretty sketch, maybe Americans think this is OK, idk

>>126847544
>He’s basically the contemporary Elvis, John Lennon, or Michael Jackson in terms of impact on popular culture
i guess you're too young to know how very very wrong you are

>>126845391 (OP)
Kendrick Lamar’s output, while celebrated by some, can be seen as a chaotic departure from what constitutes true music, devolving into a cluttered mess of self-important rhetoric and disjointed sounds. His heavy reliance on dense, preachy lyrics often overshadows any semblance of melodic coherence, leaving listeners grappling with convoluted messages instead of enjoying a cohesive auditory experience. The production, with its jarring shifts and experimental tangents, feels more like an academic exercise than a crafted song, alienating those who seek the emotional resonance of traditional music. This over-intellectualized approach, prioritizing social critique over accessibility, strips away the fundamental joy of music, rendering it an exhausting lecture—not music.

>>126847864
Are you sure?

>>126845413
>learning about rap
That isn't what it is thougheverhap

>>126870313
>not music
This.

Kendrick is this generations Shakespeare

>>126872063
PUKE

>>126872063
No way this is real.

>>126845391 (OP)
What will they be teaching? Being racist towards whites? How to Bing bang boo in music? How to eat mustard?

>>126873725
All of the above.

>>126845391 (OP)
>Are you surprised by this?
not at all

>>126845391 (OP)
Everything about this talentless nigger is pure obamacore, rap is shit in general obviously but self hating white hipsters desperately tripping over themselves to pretend hes a genius or something is so funny

>>126845391 (OP)
Kendrick’s fans are mostly NPR-listening white liberals.

Universities always offer fringe classes like this. There's probably been classes about Tool and Rush as well.

>>126879069
But I'm 4chan-browsing white liberal.s

>>126879123
Why though? Who approves this shit?

>>126845391 (OP)
>The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason.

I fucking hate Louis Althusser for killing Marxism like this.

The French all need to die in a massive fire.

Total frog death

>>126878709
Why do you think he’s been shilled to death for the past year and a half?

>>126880056
Pop culture needs heroes. Same reason Billie and Chappell have been shilled ti death.

>>126845391 (OP)
your victimhood is showing

>>126859327
this

>black man does something musically innovative
>gets recognized for his accomplishments
>white people: “HE MUST BE C.I.A.!!!!”

>>126851171
>hip hop was originally made by Black kids in the ghetto doing their own thing (culture from below).
1. back then it was FUN
2. your "above" and "below" reeks of undergrad mind-formatting

>>126873725
dont get my hopes up, the only good thing about rap and it's so-called musical qualities is that it's racist against ham sandwiches

>>126859946
Drake has actually had a huge influence on rap, even r 'n' b; that would be interesting but other than Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, and Bob Dylan, there's pretty much no one in music worthy of a whole course.

>>126880481
when did Kendrick do something musically innovative?
must have missed that

>>126850221
lolwut
This is like when retards said Eminem never rapped about anything like that either

>>126845391 (OP)
Kek. It's so cringe how hard they force rap.