I’ve seen many people say that Black Sabbath influenced all metal bands and without them there will be no heavy metal as we know it. While they are very impactful, this claim just sounds like blatant Sabbath dick-sucking, especially after over half a century of metal’s development.

If we’re talking directly, no. Maybe the case for doom/stoner/sludge metal bands, but symphonic power metal probably not. I’d even go as far to argue that Queen was more important; they already have all the blueprints with fantasy lyrics, neoclassical instruments, and epic choirs.

If we’re talking indirectly, then yes, all bands were indirectly influenced by Sabbath to an nth degree, like how Sabbath was influenced by the Beatles, and so on all the way to ancient Egypt Hurrian Hymn.

>>126860528 (OP)
no, the beatles invented it. also i have gay sex everyday with different men

>>126860528 (OP)
Imagine if Tony Iomi never picked up a guitar. Think about that for a minute, the. The correct answer will the be revealed to you.

Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath created metal

Yes.
Sabbath invented heavy music, there's really nothing else that had that sound before them.
Tony Iommi was influenced by all sorts of stuff, he was a huge fan of The Shadows for example.

>>126860709
Imagine if he stayed in industrial sheet metal pressing. Or learned a trade. Iommi's Plumbing.

>>126861472
>Imagine if he stayed in industrial sheet metal pressing
Every day just comes and goes

yes, listen to this, basically growling vocals too. No other band just came out of the gate laying down new sounds like sabbath did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8_NCX2AwLE

>>126860528 (OP)
would Judas Priest, Scorpions, UFO, etc have invented and shaped it anyway?

>>126861594
No, scorpions did release music before sabbath but its psych rock and sounds way more dated than sabbath, judas priests first album wasn't very heavy and calling UFO heavy metal is a stretch.

>>126860528 (OP)
I'm gonna hold the urge to insult you and assume you are being serious.

Not only metal,ALL "rock" music today is influenced by Sabbath to some degree, there is an argument to be made that they are the single most important band in the history of alternative/underground/heavy music.

I'm not saying they are the best band of all time, (although it's not a bad pick) but they have absolutely influenced all genres of metal. You clearly haven't listened to all their 70's stuff if you think otherwise, cause it's not only Paranoid.

Each album brought something new to the table that was a precursor for metal and music as a whole, it's ridicoulous

Fenriz from Darkthrone explaining how the notes from the song Black Sabbath are the basis a lot of what he/other people in the Black Metal scene made:
https://youtu.be/DQpMIR6RuaA
>>126861583
an example of proto-thrash metal along with:
https://youtu.be/X01Envh1kSA?list=PLo2VF3ux4qcbTzx1df---2oB2d07gkjFr
Paranoid Along with being a straight up 80's heavy metal song it's also a proto-punk song, that palm muted riff has been ripped off to death:

https://youtu.be/DQpMIR6RuaA


This song from Master of Reality sounds like what those melodic NWOBHM bands would eventually make :
https://youtu.be/qRdNG-8ehU8?list=PLo2VF3ux4qcbTzx1df---2oB2d07gkjFr

Not to mention a goddamn fucking breakdown written in 1973 at 3:19, you know a breakdown, that thing every scene hardcore kid tries to do in their basement the moment they pick up a guitar. PanterA influenced this aspect of hardcore a lot, guess what they listened to? Sabbath:
https://youtu.be/cYZE4vKDqzs?list=PLiN-7mukU_RGGAVaH5ALmykRYYfLaK3_N

>>126862151
Also:

ALL grunge music is influenced by Sabbath, ,specifically Master of Reality, listen to the guitar tone, Soundgarden Alice in Chains and Nirvana all loved that album ,and it shows

>>126862151
you got me with thrash/extreme metal, but what about power metal (symphonic power metal in particular), which is the least sabbath-influenced genre? arguably deep purple and led zeppelin would still play an enough role without sabbath

>>126861402
Paranoid may the most influential heavy/alternative album, but You Really Got Me is the most influential song.

>>126860528 (OP)
They are the godfathers of metal because although some hard rock bands before them had flirted with a heavier hard rock sound, Sabbath were the flagship band that clearly defined a new sound, it was still bluesy and heavily influenced by the hard rock that came before it, they themselves were a hard rock blues band named Earth before becoming Sabbath, but the first riff off their debut with the tritone hammer on and pull off lick marked a clear split from the hard rock prior to that release. It was unlike your standard hard rock band of the time. Then they just kept on writing the blueprint for heavy metal with every album after that. They had huge riffs for days, they are directly responsible for the "creation" of heavy metal, doom metal, christian metal, and stoner metal, not to mention the direct influence they had on thrash bands that would then influence death metal. Without Sabbath, there wouldn't have been later british heavy metal bands which then influenced hardcore punk bands that would adopt a more metallic and heavy metal sound, so it all comes around full circle because those metallic hardcore punk bands would influence crust punk, then the first wave of black metal, some early speed metal, and you also had pantera who ditched a glam metal sound and started playing a bluesier heavily sabbath infused sound after metal got bloated with thrash and death metal in the 80s.
Sabbath have a direct and indirect connection to all metal, even if it has changed and evolved over the years and their sound is absent in most releases coming out in recent times. They laid the blueprint for metal which would eventually evolve into what it is today and metal's place in music history is owed to them.

tl;dr: Yes

>>126864340
>>126864613

>>126860528 (OP)
Doom metal bands still sound like Master of Reality.

>>126860528 (OP)
I'm not sure, but i do know that a lot of bands lost the bluesy elements that sabbath had.

>>126864340
They laid the initial blueprint for the genre which would branch off into other genres. It is like asking how radiohead is influenced by chuck berry if it sounds nothing like chuck berry. If you trace back the lineage, you'll eventually get to chuck berry, the beatles, buddy holly, but it is hard to see that if you have a completely different spin on rock. Power metal takes influence from thrash, speed metal, and the new wave of british heavy metal, which distanced itself from the bluesier hard rock and heavy metal that sabbath played but had a cleaner, tighter, and more punk rock influenced way of playing. The power chords in particular, palm muting, and less drawn out songs but more attack and more jagged.
Blues->rock and roll->blues rock->hard rock->heavy metal->punk rock->new wave of british heavy metal->hardcore punk->speed metal->thrash metal->power metal

>>126866101
Meant for >>126865179

>>126860528 (OP)
if beatles wouldn't exist there'll still be the Rolling Stones and The Who, the same applies with sabbath, there'll still be bands like Baltimore and Cream(not metal but scratching the edge of it) and heavy songs that would mark the way of the genre like Dazed and Confused or even Fun House
it would take more time to define the genre, yes, but it would still be created

>>126862151
This.

>>126864392
Yeah.
The big thing that sets that song apart is the way the song is built around a distorted riff. A lot of 60s rock songs early in the decade were still strummed chords rather than a riff like that. As the decade went on the more riff centric rock songs became and them becoming heavier seems to be an outgrowth of that.

Sabbath and its bluesy sound

"The wizard" off their 1970 debut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69rU9ajij10

"war pigs" from their album, paranoid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrZFscfJxXc

"You shook me" by led zeppelin off their 1969 debut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWPM47aPNUM

both have bluesy hard rock music but sabbath has more of a kick.

Led zeppelin have been described as "proto metal" by some for having an almost metal like quality to them because early heavy metal or, simply, metal, was very much a harder, blues rock, sound taken up a notch

"heartbreaker" off led zeppelin 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5O4073zCKA

"god save the queen" by the sex pistols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMxqcgBhWQ
notice the chugging, power chords, fat crunchy punk rock riffing.

"number of the beast" by iron maiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcU_BeNXQp8
less blues in their sound, more soaring vocals which were influential to power metal. Almost operatic, also more chugging, more use of power chords, cleaner, tighter, we're getting somewhere.

"protest and survive" by discharge (1982)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ZxmNfY-gw
A hardcore punk band with a more metallic sound, it would influence thrash, crust punk, first wave of black metal, and extreme metal in general

Idk much about black metal but listen to this and tell me this doesn't sound like maiden meets discharge
necromansy - bathory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmwgeY7ydDs

i'm broken - pantera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-V8kYT1pvE
not exactly a ripoff of iommi the way some stoner metal or doom metal bands really go full on iommi larp, but sort of a bluesy, texan, kind of playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-V8kYT1pvE

They even covered sabbath on the same album
planet caravan - pantera (sabbath cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWChhdIgT6Q

>>126866101
but that's more indirect than direct
same like how beatles indirectly influenced power metal

Do you guys listen to this garbage because you think it's heckin cool and masculine or do you unironically think it sounds good

>>126866459
Genres evolve. Do you hear much of buddy holly or little richard in modern rock? if you go back in time and follow the progression then it makes sense