Van Halen were the best when they were Sammy Hagar's backing band.

>>126864286 (OP)
Fun fact: All official DVD box sets show mainly Hagar era live footage because Dave actually sucked shit live

>>126864296
Yeah, he's ten times the singer that DLR was.

He looked like an angry soccer mom yelling at the kids to get in the van

Dave wasn't really a "rocker" he just wanted to work out his Yiddish theater act.

>>126864384
Singer maybe..but he had no swagger.

>>126864286 (OP)
yeah I'm surprised that the /pol/ tourist MAGA trash haven't made more pro-Sammy threads, what with him being such a vocal Trumper and stauch right-winger.

You're not wrong though, Sammy gave Van Halen 10 years they wouldn't have had with Dave. And the only reason it all fell apart was because of Ed's substance abuse problems.

Even Van Halen III with Gary Cherone could have been an amazing record if Ed's ego had let them pick a good producer. Glen Ballard (who produced the neo-DaveVH single "Me Wise Magic") would have been the perfect choice.

>>126864502
dude...Gary had a good voice but he was a cringy fucking homosexual in denial.

>concert footage of him trying to dry hump Eddie who's trying to get away from him

>>126864515
Gary had a good voice and was great live.
>buh buh gay and dry humping Eddie
who cares.

>>126864545
Apparently Eddie did because he clearly found that creepy as fuck.

>>126864550
Eddie was on so many drugs, he probably thought everything was creepy as fuck. Touchy little bitch in the late 90s through the 00s

>>126864694
Looked like a bro to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3Gn8W4ZvA

>>126864465
yeah, that's all you DLR people come up with, better entertainer/showman/"swagger", but that's about it, he was simply nowhere near as good as Sammy Hagar.

>>126864502
I don't care for his dumb maga bullshit, but he was just a better singer. He's not that smart if he's maga lol

>>126864748
Music isn't just raw skills. That's one way to shine, but there's all kinds of ways. Especially for a frontman, where you are the "front" and need a bit of coolness or some act to keep everyone's attention.
If we insist on just the music alone in its best execution, AI will easily replace everyone.

>Hagar's performance at Farm Aid on September 17, 1985 was supposed to be the introduction of him as Van Halen's new frontman. Officially it was a Hagar solo set and the plan was for the band to join him onstage as they performed his hit "I Can't Drive 55." The performance went awry when Hagar, forgetting that he was on live TV and it wasn't a normal rock concert, exclaimed "This one's for all you tractor-driving motherfuckers out there!" The TV and radio feed were immediately cut off. Van Halen's performance before a crowd of 90,000 was well-received but went unseen by TV viewers.[2]

>>126864748
hagar wrote cringe shit like when it's love and changed the lyrics in jump
it didn't matter if he sung better than dave when the material they were putting out was slop
eat em and smile was better than every van hagar album

>>126864502
lol of course he is he's fucking trailer trash from the Central Valley

>>126864286 (OP)
>>126864296
>>126864384
No. Hagar was only good solo and in Montrose. This is just revisionism by zoomers because Dave is Jewish and its hip to hate Israel now.

i remember Christgau was adamant that Montrose were one of the worst bands of the 70s

I blame it just as much on Eddie getting older and wanting to do somewhat more adult music, he did turn 30 in 1985 after all and you couldn't expect the guy to be 23 forever.

I love when people bitch about the band supposedly going pop with Hagar...because Dance The Night Away and Jump are just metal as fuck right?

>Mine All Mine
>AFU Naturally Wired
>Cabo Wabo
>Source Of Infection
>Sucker In A 3 Piece

DLR stans can fuck off. Van Halen is Van Halen regardless of singer...and it was all Eddie

5150 [Warner Bros., 1986]
Those who thought Eddie's face-melting guitar pyrotechnics and balls-to-the-wall hooks equalled Van Halen will find themselves wondering now that video star David Lee Roth has been replaced by one of the biggest schmucks in the known business. No one with something to say could stomach Sammy Hagar's call and this album proves it. C

>>126864869
the 80s were weird man it was post-60s counterculture and Sexual Revolution yet you still had a lot of lingering 50s cultural conservatism

>>126864869
a funny anecdote about Farm Aid is that Teresa Brewer (lol) had some part in organizing it and she was reportedly upset about Van Halen and thought they were degenerate music and shouldn't have been booked to perform there.

>>126865796
Ok so 54 year old women in 1985 were not big on Van Halen. w/e man. They were more likely to be in a PMRC march against Van Halen.

>>126864296
there wasn't much live footage from the DLR era because most of it took place before MTV and the VCR market took off. Filming live concerts wasn't as common then.

>>126865962
A damn shame. Both Eddie and Brian Setzer it seems. When they were (in my mind) the best 80s guitarists.

>>126865796
what a boomer

>>126865992
Van Halen were boomers she was old enough to be their parents ie. the generation before the boomers

>>126866003
Meme boomers not literal boomers.

Van Halen were technically boomers, but they were that last wave, just like punks. They saw themselves as unseating all the boomers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Qf5hJf6Ds

Boomer in 4chanspeak means old person not literal baby boomers.

>>126864502
>Even Van Halen III with Gary Cherone could have been an amazing record if Ed's ego had let them pick a good producer.
I don't think that bloated Eddie solo album would've been good even if they'd picked a good producer. And what you said about Eddie's ego, it wouldn't have allowed a producer to change his drunken "vision".

>>126865796
>>126865830
that chick couldn't even deal with Elvis when she was still in her 20s let alone Van Halen decades later lol

>>126866130
People don't appreciate how odd he was even for his time. Just that there's been so much since that he's relatively normal. His favorite color was pink, his hair flopped everywhere, he had the energetic dancing and stuttering vocal style. Little Richard was so out there that it's easy to see, but Elvis wasn't seen that much differently. Like the difference between Prince and MJ.

Elvis was absolutely a shock wave on mass culture in the late 50s and totally transformed everything overnight, we're not likely to see anything like that ever happen again.

>>126864296
>Dave actually sucked shit live
Nah. He was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQgHvOvujNE

>>126866130
>>126866202
on that note Pat Boone must have made some pact with the Devil which is why he is not only very much alive but will probably be the last major 50s pop star living

>>126864296
>All official DVD box sets
What official DVD box sets? There are none

>>126864296
I wish they included a concert film in the upcoming Balance reissue

>Hagar recalled in his memoirs, "Ed was a sad sight by 1995. He would shamble around in an old trench coat drinking cheap shiraz straight from the bottle. It turned his teeth black. I said to him 'Don't you want a glass for that?' He tapped the bottle and replied 'It's in a glass.'"

>>126864748
>he was simply nowhere near as good as Sammy Hagar.
you're missing the point entirely. It was the chemistry between DLR and EVH which fueled the rocket that made Van Halen. The oil/water mix of EVH/DLR was lightening-in-the-bottle type stuff that changed rock music. Without DLR, there would be no Van Halen- he was the driving force early on. Both of them imploded on their own ego and it was a shame.

Once SlapHappySammy joined the angst was gone and it was more about aliens in love, being buddy/buddy doing the conga line around the stage. The music, while still decent at times, suffered in part do to Sammy's terrible lyrics.

>>126866373
>Once SlapHappySammy joined the angst was gone and it was more about aliens in love, being buddy/buddy doing the conga line around the stage. The music, while still decent at times, suffered in part do to Sammy's terrible lyrics.
which again i blame in part that the guys were just getting older and mellowing; they weren't edgy 20 somethings anymore. also Sammy was almost 40 when he joined the band.

While I like Van Hagar despite most of the songs being way too bloated, DLR era VH is the greatest band of all time and that's a shoot, brother.

>>126864286 (OP)
lol. What a retard.

Nothing could top this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtxY3Y5hl2A

>>126866405
>just getting older and mellowing
nah. the chemistry was still there on the reunion album- which is great and better than any Hagar album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgiBZmbn5nc

>>126866532
>the chemistry was still there on the reunion album
no. The "chemistry" was between Ed, Dave, Mike and Al. You gotta have all four. No disrespect to Wolfie (who is a fine musician in his own right), but you're the one who brought up chemistry.

And the "reunion" album was pretty much reheated leftovers from the 70s that they never released back then. It was a joke, and you know it.

>>126866405
people who complain about Sammy's lyrics are like people who said that the Gimour-era Pink Floyd sounded like "a bunch of rich white guys".

Well guess what. Better that than pretending to be something they no longer are or were.

>>126864296
This. There’s a reason why pic related was their first live record because even "prime" Dave sucked. I'm still baffled by them releasing that live in Japan album which features some of the worst singing ever recorded. Wish there was a version without vocals.

>>126866962
Forgot pic

>>126866430
i've thought a lot about what shows i'd like to see in the past. have a long list. but at the very top would be to see VH on their tour with journey. imagine, fucking IMAGINE seeing this band in a club setting and being fucking floored, never having seen or heard anything like this band before.

>>126866932
>The "chemistry" was between Ed, Dave, Mike and Al.
LOL. Ed and Al had chemsistry that was remarkable and never changed. Mike provided amazing vocals its true but Wolf is a better bass player.

The music was written by EVH and the lyrics by DLR- they had a chemistry that couldnt be replicated by sammy and it showed.

>pretty much reheated leftovers from the 70s

Half the album was brand new material and it was great. Instantly better than anything Sammy did lmao

>leftovers from the 70s
>their best era
and somehow thats a bad thing? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bu1R_ntoAA

There is a reason why Alex Van Halen says that the DLR-era is the "real" Van Halen and the "magic was gone" after Dave left. There is also a reason why DLR era outsold Sammy era 2-1.

>>126866947
>CALL HER UP ON THE SPANK LINE

>>126867068
The Hagar albums never sold that well although the band remained a huge live attraction mainly because everyone wanted to see Eddie play.

>>126867052
For me. it’s VH opening for washed Black Sabbath. Imagine going there to get pissed and hear Paranoid and then getting your mind blown by young and hungry VH.

>>126867068
>There is also a reason why DLR era outsold Sammy era 2-1.
well they were getting older by that point and on their 7th album when he joined. Every band starts to fall off if they haven't already by that time.

>>126864286 (OP)
Nah Van Halen is hard rock, not Bruce Springsteen wannabe 80s synth trash.

>>126867389
i know, saw Korn open for Metallica in '96 and totally blew them away performance wise

>>126867389
>VH opening for washed Black Sabbath
That dude in Fresno rules!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98pfx1B5LVQ

>>126867398
>is Sammy
>copes hard
lol

>>126867398
>by that point and on their 7th album
>6th album sold twice as many as the 7th
thats quite a drop off lol

>>126865659
accurate

FUCK. YEAH.

>>126865659
>>126868179
>I don't understand music and am so insecure in my tastes that I need to blindly parrot whatever the critics say. Thank you based Christgau

Backing band. Eddie is gonna half to dock your pay, son. Niggas pay for the shreds

>>126866962
>>126866981
welp OK to be fair though, even Sammy said that LRHRN was a cream job. In the end it was basically a studio album with crowd noise mixed in.

BUT you can go find videos of Sammy era and Dave era and there's just no comparison, Dave was a terrible, terrible singer. Sammy was OK at worst, and had, more often than not, moments of greatness.

I saw all 3 van halens (Dave, Sammy and Gary) live, Sammy era was musically the best live. Partied like crazy at Dave and Gary was competent.

The sham "reunion" shows with Dave only served to highlight just what a massively limited singer Dave was. Take away the acrobatics and you just have a dirty old man talking and gasping his way through the lyrics.

I wouldn't have gone to the very last tour if I hadn't gotten in for free.

>>126868265
>moments of greatness
my sides.

Eddie started eating brown M&Ms and ruined his mojo. It had nothing to do with poor Sammy.

>>126866210
this is great.

>>126868265
>The sham "reunion" shows with Dave only served to highlight just what a massively limited singer Dave was. Take away the acrobatics and you just have a dirty old man talking and gasping his way through the lyrics.
lol did you hear about the one where he stuck a phone down his pants, took a photo of his dick, and tossed it to some chick in the audience who was totally horrified and dropped the thing?

I remember a concert review where they said Dave was rambling about "man, I was sure one good-looking nude motherfucker back in '82."

>>126868392
He wouldn't be Dave if he didn't say something like that.

>>126868392
He was vain for sure. He had Lead Singer Disease according to EVH. (He said the same about Sammy...)

>>126866962
>>126866981
i get what you're saying man but this album is 95 percent overdubs, i don't think any of hagar's vocals are even live if i'm correct

>>126868028
Michael Jackson's Bad sold half of Thriller. Does that mean it was evidence of a huge drop? It's obviously a misleading statistic. Any band's top selling album will always have a big drop for the next one.

>>126868500
>Does that mean it was evidence of a huge drop?
>will always have a big drop
answered your own question lol

>no one got the M&M joke

DLR is not only on another level above Hagar but he is insanely more talented than most rock singers at all. Also Eddie wrote all his best songs before hagar joined

>>126864748
How bout the 2nd highest range in rock music and a style of singing where he hit notes nobody else could. Hagar played DLR songs but the reverse never happened

>>126869787
I said it's misleading since pretty much nobody will come close to their biggest album. He's saying it as evidence that the new singer wasn't as good.

>>126865562
Dance the night away is a perfect pop rock song though. That riff is fun as fuck

>>126864286 (OP)
Hagar was a much better singer than DLR, sure, but he wasn't half the character and he didn't have the songwriting chemistry with Eddie that Dave did.

Neither Van Hagar or Roth's solo stuff were a patch on Van Halen's original run.

>>126864545
>>126864550
There wasn't any beef between Cherone and Ed, he's actually one of the very few people the brothers didn't talk shit about in the years following.

He was a good singer with no ego who could actually do credible versions of both eras, but yeah, his Mick Jagger/Prince frontman style is pretty embarrassing. It's even worse now since he's like 60 and still does it - I saw Extreme with Mr. Big a few years ago and they were great but he was just ridiculous to watch.

>>126864286 (OP)
Van Hagar was receiving input from aliens. That's why it's better. It's alien music

>>126865562
People shit on Hagar was commercializing the band or whatever, but that's exactly what the brothers wanted. Look at the singers they were considering before they got Hagar - Daryl Hall, Patty Smyth, Jimmy Barnes and Eric Martin. They were very intentionally pulling from the pop and AOR world.

>>126868392
Him being cocky was part of the charm. I heard him rant about sweet Asian school girls one show and it was priceless

>>126870031
>it's misleading
its not though. clearly, people were not as interested in the new singer as they were the old.

>>126869974
i got it. i didn't laugh but i got it

>>126870277
true, but my other point was that the band was getting older and they'd have a huge drop-off anyways even if Dave was still there. At best the sales would be marginally better than Sammy.

while most of van hagar's output is shit, all the singles are fucking bangers. this one in particular gives a wistful nostalgic feeling i've never really felt from another song before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eb2XW0et8g

>>126865562
>>126870073
Its not so much being pop or commercial as they were both already; Jamie's cryin', Feel Your Love, Dance the night away- Jump being #1 etc...all great pop songs and the pop sensibilities of the harmonies with Mike. It was more about fully embracing the keyboards and then using said keyboards to play really, really sappy songs. It wasnt that they were pop, its that the sucked hard in comparision what people expected from VH. Most of that is on EVH but Sammy didnt help with innane lyrics and didnt have the wit or intelligence to make the songs less sucky.

>>126870300
Good enough.

>>126870367
>innane lyrics
reading the lyrics to Tattoo from their last album made me realize how much of a adept wordsmith dave really was.
>Swapmeet Sally
>Tramp stamp tat
>Mousewife to Momshell in the time it took to get that new tattoo
>(Tattoo, tattoo)

>>126870445
>release far and away the worst song as the lead single

No really, what were they thinking?

>>126870445
>reading the lyrics to Tattoo from their last album made me realize how much of a adept wordsmith dave really was.
he has that high Jewish verbal skill.

>>126870445
>as much as I like Down in Flames better that song has grown on me mostly cuz of the lyrics
lol

That album has some of DLR's best lyrics ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUppW1dBtJM

Memes-aside, what do we think of the rumors that have been going around for the last ~25 years about Roth being gay/bi? Think there's any truth to them?

>>126870529
there's no way he's gay, but i can see bi. someone like him was pure raw sexual energy.

>>126870529
Don't buy it. If Dave was a homo like people have been saying for years he'd be out and proud

>>126868327
LOL is that true? poor lady had dave smegma on her phone.

>>126870712
smegma generation requires a body part that Jewish guys tend to lack, so i'm going with a no on that one

>>126870712
>>126868392
These stories were all found in Ticketmaster reviews of the reunion tour I remember reading. Another person complained it was hot as fuck in the venue but they refused to turn the AC on because it would supposedly bother Dave's throat.

>>126870778
>but they refused to turn the AC on because it would supposedly bother Dave's throat.

I've also heard this about Paul Rodgers

>>126870529
>>126870650
>>126870655
>>126870529
>Memes-aside
oh the irony.

Hes had several longterm GFs over the years. Lived in Japan with a Japanese chick for awhile. The womanizing wasnt an act - more like a cope for being autistic AF

>>126870506
>That album
That album was far better than it had a right to be lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKl2ue3i_H8

>>126871216
>more like a cope for being autistic AF
it's called being Jewish lol

>>126871216
at least he was careful not to have kids. he would have been the most absentee father imaginable

>>126867068
Tattoo is one of the cringiest Van Halen songs ever recorded, and Dave's voice is fucking blown out on A Different Kind of Truth

Honeybabysweetiedoll is a banger though

>>126871258
somehow the rent doesnt seem that free lol

>>126870326
Damn ripping off Rush a little too late