Were they right?

>>126926926 (OP)
For once

>>126926926 (OP)
Pretentious garbage made for pretentious people. Not music by the way.

>got cheap toy instruments for christmas
>start playing generic blues riff
>Do a Popeye the sailor impression
> AYE, IM BOOM AND KABOOZE BLOOZ, FAST AND PANCY, CLACK CLACK!
> more twangy blues
>IM A MAN SO RANDOM, I WANT RANSOM, HANDSOME
>forgets to keep time
>CLACK, BANG
>song ends

>>126926926 (OP)
the 1 is a typo

a handful of critics decided to take this garbage and pretend they were in on some esoteric knowledge by praising it knowing no one would question it. the ruse confused countless others who pretend to 'get it'. nobody actually 'gets it' because there's nothing to 'get' but people don't want to appear dumb or filtered so they go along and pretend it's some masterpiece. it's really easy to pretend a pile of garbage is a masterpiece when every else is pretending as well. it's really easy to give a perfect score and have people agree with it when no one is able to tell what their actual feelings on it are.

>>126927992
trvthnvke

>>126926926 (OP)
what a bullshit site

>>126926926 (OP)
This album genuinely offends me. I can listen to lots of fucked up weird stuff but I feel almost nauseated by this thing.

>>126926926 (OP)
They were absolutely right. Greatest album of all time

>>126927992
No, you're just pretending not to like it because you're a contrarion

>>126928552
>the contrarians are crying contrarian
pottery

>>126927992
It’s in John lydons top 10

>>126926926 (OP)
Its a good album because at the very least it has some interesting songs like Ella Guru, When Big Joan Sets up, Hair Pie, Moonlight on Vermont.
But definitely not the greatest album of all time, even Abbey Road easily mogs TMR

maybe if youve only heard 4 other records in your entire life sure. also it only has 1 good song. id still rather listen to it on repeat than the wall of astroturfed pop shit in the catalog though

>>126928612
What do you mean? The album is acclaimed. You're the contrarion, dumbass. Pretending not to like a great album so you can say you're smarter than everyone else. Classic contrarion move

>>126928729
It's dishonest to act like you don't know how inaccessible and off-putting this album is

Ella Guru genuinely rules.
>>126927192
FPBP

>>126928738
That's totally irrelevant. Good music didn't have to be accessible or just pretty sounds.
Honestly, if you think there's nothing to "get" then you are a huge retard. But more likely you are just saying it's bad to seem different from the mainstream opinion.

>>126928729
it's acclaimed because of the reasons i said. >>126927992. how are you too stupid to understand that?

>>126926926 (OP)
Oh I don't care, there's no place there, I don't think it matters.

>>126928729
pretending to like a shitty album so you can say you're smarter than everyone else is also a classic contrarian move

>>126928945
>>126927992
Except music that gets insincere followers is stuff that's "fashionable" to listen to, not falsely sold as esoteric. The faggots who shilled The Strokes to the top of the US charts were just pretending and following along with what critics said. Far weirder and dumber and less accessible music than fucking Trout Mask has had followings. I don't get the appeal behind Throbbing Gristle and think they sound silly at their best but they built a following of diehards and a lot of way better bands site them as foundational.

>>126929039
but that's the thing about contrarianism, it exist because it garners attention and make people feel special. that will always be in fashion.

>Why did you do it Captain Beefheart?
>"...nobody cared who I was until I put on the...Trout Mask Replica™..."

I always love these scoring systems because it makes me wonder, like, if this is a 10 then what's a late beethoven symphony? A 100,000?

>>126929173
>if this is a 10 then what's a late beethoven symphony? A 100,000?
it would also be a 10 because the people behind most media scoring systems expect you to be an adult that doesn't suffer from autism spectrum disorder and understands that different genres of media are judged within the context of their respective genre or role in the industry

>>126929075
You are less intelligent than the dumbest person you hate.

>>126926926 (OP)
the broad from fiery furnaces said thats the best album of all time

>>126928639
trvthnuke

>>126929209
i don't hate anyone

>>126929278
You'd have an easier time convincing a /pol/tard of the 6 million.

>>126926926 (OP)
No.

>>126927992
>>126928738
if you cant get it then youve been listening to nothing but cookie cutter slop your entire life. i genuinely think that anyone who doesnt get this album should keep listening to it and nothing else until the day that it finally clicks for them.

you dont have to love it

>>126927992
trvth bomb

>>126926926 (OP)
It's oddity for the sake of it.
And the guy seems to have had the schizo
Also he was an abstract expressionism dabbler, which kinda tells me all I need to know about cheap pretentiousness

>>126930055
its the work of an egomaniac
the public are other egomaniacs
The most common defence for the album is "its just a fun album".
Its clearly not

>>126927992
>everyone around me is secretly LE PRETENDING
>I'M NOT A SCHIZO I'M NOT A SCHIZO

>>126930080
He was definitely very deep up his own arse
Using bluesy guitars ironically to give form to some idea of atonal arhythmic music that just unfolds in random warped ways to shock and impress the listener (oh I'm so unpredictable and stunning)

>>126929852
>yes, yes they should keep trying to force themselves to like the great music that literally doesn't exist. keep looking for deeper meaning in a pile of trash
dude just give up, smart people aren't falling for it

>>126930139
yeah nice try but unfortunately i have working ears and am not an insecure tatselet who needs to pretend something isn't pure garbage noise just to feel special and validated.

>>126927992
Cognitive dissonance: The post
>popular album from 60 years ago that’s in the Library of Congress is only popular because of a worldwide hoax
>everybody is too afraid to call out the hoax for what it is because they’re afraid of losing their hipster cred so they just go on pretending to like it
>trust me, if the album was any good i would know because i have a distinguished ear and i know quality when i hear it
>i think it’s bad, therefore everyone else does too, but they’re just too afraid to say it.
>I’m so brave for being the only one to call bullshit

>>126932165
NTA but
>>popular album from 60 years ago that’s in the Library of Congress is only popular because of a worldwide hoax
yes
>>everybody is too afraid to call out the hoax for what it is because they’re afraid of losing their hipster cred so they just go on pretending to like it
yes
>>trust me, if the album was any good i would know because i have a distinguished ear and i know quality when i hear it
its common sence to say its bad
>>i think it’s bad, therefore everyone else does too, but they’re just too afraid to say it.
its objectively bad
>>I’m so brave for being the only one to call bullshit
he never claimed to be the only one

I love Captain Beefheart and I also love the Beatles.

>>126932165
well there have been a lot of conspiracy theories turning out to be true in the past decade.
anyway, y'know the old saying: if you repeat a lie long enough it becomes fact.

>>126926926 (OP)
what's the audience for this album? Highly educated people that like it because of a bunch of intellectual bullshit?

>>126932298
egomaniacs

>>126927992
>t. didn't get it

>>126932505
>t. convinced himself there's something to 'get'

>>126926926 (OP)
>GIMME THAT OLD TIME RELIGION
yes

>>126932630
>WILD LIFE
>WILD LIFE
>GOING TO THE MOUNTAINS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE

>>126932165
Accurate. A few years ago there was a guy who used to spam a thread every day for months called “pretending to like music general /ptlmg/” and every one of his posts fit that template exactly. He was kind of a proto Nicosperg. Theres always someone who thinks he’s special for using the Emperor Has No Clothes narrative to try and convince others to stop liking beefheart.

>>126926926 (OP)
Yes

>>126928738
It's hardly "inaccessible", large portions of it might be overwhelming on first listen but it also has some straightforward tracks.
Nothing "off-putting" to me about raw, rootsy blues rock composed and played in 4 dimensions, especially when it's been so influential on the artists I already love

>>126927404
Mostly accurate but the blues riffs aren’t really generic. They’re pretty fucking weird most of them. Still doesn’t sound that good though.

No.
>>126932165
>>i think it’s bad, therefore everyone else does too, but they’re just too afraid to say it.
Music critics do not actually 'like' music and they are the people responsible for catapulting this garbage because it makes them feel intelligent.

I'll give you an example of a similar phenomenon. Communists and other ideological fanatics (fascists, religious zealots, etc) often only like a piece of music if it's pushing a 'message' that they agree with. If it's any talentless idiot strumming an out of tune guitar and shouting about something to do with the working class then that will be promoted as 'good music' by the fanatical leftist because they don't give a fuck if it's good to listen to, they care about the ideology being pushed. Similarly if it's a fanatical right winger and it's some shitty song praising the Nazis, or a religious zealot and it's some shitty song praising their religion. You get the point.

Music critics are responsible for other nonsense too, like projecting their highschool emotional baggage onto all of music history. Examle, pretending that Lou Reed was one of the most important musicians who ever lived. To read these people you'd think that VU were the most popular band ever with every musician, they were not. They were well liked but so were other bands like The Doors.

The difference is that critics liked Lou Reed because he was a whiny dork who reminded them of themselves, meanwhile Jim Morrison was chad and that reminded them of the guy who from class who got the girl instead of them, so he had to be written out of history.

>>126932232
Based

>>126927404
lol

>>126926926 (OP)
Not even his best album

>>126927992
>I don’t get it, that means nobody else does

Maybe someday you will get it, but it takes effort to listen to. It’s not meant for passive listeners.

Basically anyone who is a half decent musician gets it, and honestly it’s not even all that complicated.

>>126933755
It’s appropriate that you mention the Doors with high school kids because that’s who listens to it. Teenagers who started smoking weed

>>126927992
>>126930055
>>126932602
>>126932298
>>126933755
The funny thing is that retards think that this is "intellectual bullshit" liking this album. It's outsider art, the polar opposite of ivory tower nonsense. But I see why you're saying that, because ironically it's the ivory tower intellectuals that are promoting this album. Meanwhile, beefheart himself would be dismayed to see that perception of his art.
There clearly is something to "get." This is constructed music. It's not a retard banging on an out of tune guitar. There is melodies, lyrics, etc. It's all constructed in a certain way and is by no means arbitrary or random.
It's similar how people can't accept 20th century classical music or free jazz. If you don't get it, that's fine, but don't cope by claiming everyone else is just pretending to like it.

TMR is 8 - 8.5
Great album but still a bit overrated.

Its an interesting album but not something I would actively listen to regularly

You'd have to straight have fucked ears to not hear the brilliance in moonlight in Vermont, pachuco cadaver, sweet sweet bulbs, veterans day poppy, sugar and spikes, and Ella guru. The twist on blues guitar these offer is amazing and basically invented a style of blues no one has ever managed to capture without losing the catchiness. The melodies in general are like nothing you'll hear anywhere else in music

>>126937486
I'll be more specific that the 2nd half of Pachuco Cadaver is some of the greatest music of all time. The organic way in which the layers mingle while keeping it light and dancy is like nothing you'll hear anywhere else, every section just perfectly leads to the next

>>126935321
Agreed. Van Vliet's few talk show interviews are eye-opening. He's just kind of an odd guy. People who dislike his work tend to project this pretentious, post-modernist, almost beatnik personality onto him, when he's really just a strange, soft-spoken man who likes jazz, blues, and hobo songs.

No one is more pretentious than people lauding themselves in being "normal" and not "pseuds", deliberately and on purpose refusing to engage with something that's out there. Again, not talking about actual normalfags here, I'm talking to autist reject losers who desperately wish they were normalfags. These are the kind of people that on purpose only listen to what is perceived to be conventionally good, they often don't actually enjoy a lot of that "normal" music (or art in general) but keep pretending they do because they believe it will make them "normal".

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica.

>>126926926 (OP)
Yes. One of the GOAT and still the biggest filter of all time.

>>126935191
>Basically anyone who is a half decent musician gets it
so no one in beefhearts band got it? okay gotcha

>>126935321
they only pretend at first. then they convince themselves it's good.
>It's not a retard banging on an out of tune guitar
so it just sounds retarded on purpose, okay.

>>126940182
pssshht! i'm an autist and i don't give a shit what normiefags think of me. most of my favourite stuff isn't mainstream at all. i'm just calling out the bullshit and that's what the praise for this garbage album is.

>>126942236
It literally doesn't sound retarded and you have no objective way of classifying it as such. To me it sounds cool as hell

>>126926926 (OP)
https://youtu.be/3PErRYjUsX0

>>126942414
it sounds hacky

>>126927391
It's literally just random for the sake of it. Barely music maybe.
>>126927404
Literally every other fucking song on this undeniably. Also Napoleon XIV,Certain Beatles Psych Albums,The VU,Ten Years After,Zappa,and Hendrix all having released prior to this coming out. It wasn't actually that influential either. But it's comforting to pretend it was important to the type of person who uses 4chan religiously. So that's more what it is. It makes furries and people in the anime community feel less like incredible insurmountable retards. Same reason they all pretend to "listen to jazz".
>>126927992
Agreed. Probably mostly being done for puszy at the time ngl. But there's no real clear influence there. It changed nothing other than other bad novelty music like Mr.Bungle and Primus.
>>126942414
It sounds like a retard having a fit. It sounds retarded in the most literal sense possible haha. I'm glad you think the Japanese girl with goth makeup at New England Comics likes you more for pretending to believe this though ig. They don't btw. Captain Beefheart is like people who "like" homestuck tier shit. Him and his band are widely forgotten in real life because they were bad. Most real music fans would in fact rather hear Hendrix,The VU,CAN,The Hollies,Napoleon XIV,The Kinks,Love,Amon Duul ii,or like Q65. The audience for Beefheart is mostly try hard overweight glompler type chick's and male retards you see wearing hentai mlp shirts and shit in public. It's like stuff that appeals to weird irony couples with sub average iqs that somehow convinced themselves they're better than everyone else is. But they'll ofc never have the awareness to see this. It "works" in the way homestuck "works" if you "understand the concept" but it's clearly janky thoughtless bullshit created by an abject retard. It's like makes sense lol.

Randomized Tardslop because they didn't have stuff like anime to sell you yet. It's bad simple as.

it sounds like a bunch of highscoolers picking up instruments for the very first time

>>126926926 (OP)
it's genius you just don't get it

>>126943606
The Rising Storm literally only formed to get pussy and sound 50× better than this. No other reason. Immediately broke up upon graduating and made truly timeless shit. Several bands this was true of or probably true of that I'd actually rate significantly higher.

>>126943606
A lot of Psychedelic Stuff was this and also just being played to be score drugs though so I wouldn't discount Zappa just for that. I love The Rising Storm especially were prettymuch exactly like that but also like The Index and Lemon Fog. A lot of super super amateur psych rock.

>Nico sperg is back
Please no

>>126926926 (OP)
THOSE POOR JEWS

>>126943855
ONE MAD MAN
SIX MILLION LOSE

>>126943841
You cannot refute. If you weren't a virgin with rage you wouldn't feel the need to pretend to.

FAST N BULBOUS

in a way it is quite impressive how they played all that stuff live in a recording studio. because it just sounds like someone slided all the tracks a bit to make it off beat

it's really not very interesting if you've heard virtually any music outside of 60s rock. i can't imagine how sheltered and myopic people must've been back then

>>126943841
I thought he killed himself.

>that moment when you realize nico sperg is probably dead and didn't make a single impact on beefheart discussion on /mu/
The guy already made no impact IRL and by few online autists who browse this dead board don't remember him. I feel bad

>>126933202
Touch grass you fucking neckbeard. If you think TMR is not inaccessible you either have fucked up ears or are way too deep into the avant rabbit hole

>>126948790
What's inaccessible about music? You just sit there and listen to it. If you don't like it, that's your problem, not the music's.

>>126935296
>audience of teenagers smoking weed
Yes the audience for the VU and The Doors were largely teens in the 60s smoking weed, stop the presses.

>>126948790
>"WAAAAH U FUKIN FUKER U R GAY 4 LIKIN DIS"
You have an oversensitive fight-or-flight response and scream like woman about to be raped when you encounter the slightest physical confrontation

>>126948783
I'm not dead at all. That's something you told yourself to feel less bad about your own life. I'm with my ex getting high been working been doing good actually least yk relatively. You're gonna die alone lol. Keep "mogging",sigma.

>>126948907
That's true of Trout Mask too. That's literally all of these. True of CAN. True of The Monkees. True of The Beatles. Etc etc. While you're not exactly wrong it's hard to dock points when every single one of these bands was essentially trying to be that anyway. John Lennon and Lou Reed basically feeding over who Le went and started Le band more or whatever.

>>126942236
It's definitely a tuneless retard banging random shit. Lou Reed wasn't trained but had some actual feel which beefheart didn't.

>>126949284
You can like TMR while recognizing it's not accessible at all you fucking retard. Try getting out of your bubble sometimes

>>126949409
The real nico sperg would have used his name. Bold to say to people that they're gonna die alone when you are pretending to be a random autist nobody cares about anymore

>>126926926 (OP)
Most of the album is brilliant, but there's obvious filler in it too, like Hair Pie Bake One, China Pig, Well, etc.

7/10

>>126949853
>random autist no one cares about

Which is why I actually play music and you don't right? You guys are so fucking skibbidi holy shit lol.

nico sperg come back to onions party

>>126950287
Ok yeah. Fair enough dude. Are you guys like actually discussing anything currently though?

>>126926926 (OP)
Safe as Milk is rated higher on RYM, and I trust that site way more. They tend to pick albums that exemplify the artist talents, and have the best songs front to back.

>>126926926 (OP)
imagine caring this much what Pitchfork thinks

>>126950304
i tried to talk to you about shit fidelity out of touch christian psych rock which sounds haunted and ghoulish when i was really drunk and you didn't say SHIT which is a shame because that's like real music made from the soul and shit. like those out of touch christian fuckers didn't make shit sound spooky on purpose they didn't know better. i'm also really stoned.