Listen to real music

>>126949847 (OP)
Define it. Name some examples and some examples of fake music also.

>>126949847 (OP)
I am listening as we speak.
>>126949868
>Define it.
Art music.

Example of real music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pWFsEhQQK0&list=OLAK5uy_nrDP03wSgYJlqy7ZpVb1RZU8C-r_RO1q0&index=9

Example of fake music: any /mu/core. any RYMcore. any chartfagcore.

>>126949868
Real music: Limp Bizkit
Fake music: Nirvana

>>126949913
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pWFsEhQQK0&list=OLAK5uy_nrDP03wSgYJlqy7ZpVb1RZU8C-r_RO1q0&index=9
Sounds like shit dumbass

>>126949847 (OP)
Currently listening to some Katatonia.

>>126949913
Correct.
>>126949927
Incorrect.

>>126949934
>Sounds like shit
If you're retarded tourist, maybe.

Classical music is the height of musical expression, and it has an unmatched ability to convey emotions, often more powerfully than words ever could. Through its complex arrangements and dynamics, it can express everything from joy and tranquility, to sorrow and tension, allowing listeners to connect with emotions on a deeper level. There's a reason composers spend years studying and analyzing music, it's because classical music is built on an unparalleled understanding of human emotion and sound. The effort effort that goes into crafting these pieces is immense. The beauty of classical music is that anyone can connect with it, but it requires an open mind and a bit more effort than you'd expect. Every person can find a piece of classical music that speaks to them, as long as they're willing to listen closely and let it unfold.

>>126949976
Beethoven doesnt look very emotional
looks like a serious man

>>126950001
But his music can be very emotional:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ufv1sqFkU&list=OLAK5uy_nVzocc1b4RkG1fBRpl_TTfUQCdx7Ugxq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlqAp4ziQ18&list=OLAK5uy_nVHYe7vXRroFeDnj4joXITam-fFbxpz-4&index=1

His expression got more powerful older he got, the 9th symphony, late sonatas and missa solemnis is peak of musical expression in history of mankind.

>>126949868
real music: album era rock, classical, jazz
fake music: trap, imagine dragons, kpop

>>126949927
Millennials are whiny

>>126949913
>reddit spacing
>reddit composer
Holy fuck. Kill yourself or get better taste.

>>126949913
/mu/ is an alternative and classic rock board. Stay in your containment thread

>>126950175
>alt
theres hardly any alt

>>126950097
Ok yeah fair enough ngl. What about European Folk Music from prior to The 1900s? Maybe some Soundtracks?

>>126950162
Go back, normalfag
>>126950175
Classical music is supreme.

>>126950185
They mean Paramore and Linkin Park now lol. They think that Paramore is a "punk rock band" too.

never!!!

>>126950257
Classical Music is pretty cool yeah. What era are you mostly into? Which composers? Mist if my shit I listen to is 19th century avant gaurde stuff ngl but I do like Haydn.

>>126949868
Today I listened to two separate albums of dolphin sounds.
As for fake music I don't know how to define it.

>>126950278
I like most of the relevant composers from 17, 18 and 19th centuries, but I do tend to gravitate towards early romantic/late classical music, Schubert, Chopin, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Franck, Bruckner. List goes on. Lately a lot of Mahler too, especially 6th, 9th, 4th symphonies. But Beethoven remains unsurpassed.

>>126949847 (OP)

>>126950520
This but remove every single artist except Mozart from real music

>>126949847 (OP)
What I'll be saying in 2030 when 90% of the board is AI music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px5AGynognc
IF IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU MOVE
IF IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU FEEL
IT ISN'T MUSIC

>>126949868
real: rock, jazz, classical, blues, folk, prog, punk, art/avant, traditional, experimental
fake: pop, rap/hip-hop, metal, country, soul/r&b, house, techno, reggae, disco, anime/vidya ost

Shostakovich mogs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6mV26FJ89E

>>126951567
Rock and metal are the same thing you stupid nigger brained faggot

Oh, you mean like I'm doing right now?

The definitive real and not real music list:

real music:

>British rock bands from 1960 to 2010 (with the exception of Rolling Stones and Queen),

>classical

>soul/RnB

>jazz

>rage subgenre of rap, trippie redd, carti, lil uzi etc

>electronic

not real:

>metal: screeching about some obscure battle from WW2 isn't music sorry

>gangsta rap: mane we finna get these hoes back the crib fr *queue music video of obese black woman twerking* absolute garbage

>grunge: i live in the wealthiest country on Earth in the most prosperous point in human history my life SUCKKSSSSS

>whatever genre stuff like limp bizkit and and dinosaur jr is, nu metal i think? sounds like shit either way

>>126957621
>British rock bands
>soul/RnB
>jazz
>rage subgenre of rap, trippie redd, carti, lil uzi etc
>electronic
All popslop. Please don't lump thousand years of musical tradition with all that crap.

>>126949913
>Anonymous
Faggot

>>126957741
Listen Classical is cool but if it's literally the only genre you listen to chances are you're a fucking dork

>>126957610
Hell yeah!

>>126957610
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>>126957793
?
>>126957828
>classical
>genre
Stopped reading right there. Midwit takes.

a lot of classical midwits today

>>126949847 (OP)
What is real music?

>>126949913
Literally unlistenable boring shit

>>126951567
>>126950369
That's fair

>>126958468
Dreadfully shit bait and/or catastrophically low attention span, low IQ and pure tourism. Grim.

>>126959246
I've been here for 10 years.

>>126949913
Based. Keep them coping and seething, anon.
>>126958468
Boredom is a subjective emotional state of the listener; it says more about your level of attention, education, or taste than about the music itself.

>>126959340
10 years is still a newfag. And it sounds like /mu/core has rotten your brain, and will continue to do so. Grim.

>>126959448
>>126959530
I'm listening to it right now, explain exactly at which timestamp am I supposed to feel anything

>>126951567
this about covers it, well done
>>126957512
retard

>>126959534
Climax is at 4:48 in the first movement. Obviously you'll feel more if you are familiar with thems (by listening to it a few times) and if you don't feel anything you are beyond help, child.
And anyone can enjoy the second movement, I suppose that's obvious.

>>126959599
>thems
themes*

>>126958350
>today

>>126959599
I probably hate this for the same reason that I can't stand metal.

>Initially, Beethoven famously dedicated the symphony to Napoleon Bonaparte, a figure he admired as a champion of the French Revolution's ideals. However, upon learning that Napoleon had declared himself Emperor, a disillusioned Beethoven furiously erased the dedication, renaming the work "Sinfonia Eroica, composta per festeggiare il sovvenire di un gran Uomo" ("Heroic Symphony, composed to celebrate the memory of a great man").

Genuinely depressing, incel level shit about worshiping a warmongerer and his "heroism".

>>126960129
>for the same reason
Which is?
Did you seriously listen to the second mivement, and wasn't moved by it? Even a little?
>Genuinely depressing,
Why??
>incel level shit about worshiping a warmongerer and his "heroism".
But he did not dedicate it to Napoleon, in the end. What is exactly your problem

>>126960129
>for the same reason
Which is?
Did you seriously listen to the second movement, and wasn't moved by it? Even a little?
>Genuinely depressing,
Why??
>incel level shit about worshiping a warmongerer and his "heroism".
But he did not dedicate it to Napoleon, in the end. What is exactly your problem
And why does that even matter, listen to the music not wikipedia

>>126960171
No, I kept relistening the first movement.

>Which is?
Aggressive male noises.

>But he did not dedicate it to Napoleon, in the end. What is exactly your problem
He dedicated it to heroism. The most fake, astorturfed, one-dimensional emotion there could be. I cannot relate to this, I don't want to relate to this, I don't feel engaged because I don't give a damn about heroism.

>>126960261
>I kept relistening the first movement.
Good, come back to it tomorrow, it'll click in no time. And try second movement, it is a funeral march (like Chopin's, but even more sorrowful, and not as complicated as 1st mov). In fact, all movements are connected motivically, harmonically, it's meant to be experienced from start to finish, like a popular music album, but even more so.
>Aggressive male noises.
Where are the male noises, anon? This is purely instrumental music.
>The most fake, astorturfed, one-dimensional emotion there could be.
I guess heroism is one way to look at it, the first melody truly sounds 'heroic', but rest of the movement (and symphony) rarely does. What kind of music appeals to you, emotionally? I can rec something based on that, but do give a try to the 2nd movement first.

>>126960322
It's malecoded, just like metal, doesn't matter if they actually sing.

Okay, I'll try the second movement.

>What kind of music appeals to you, emotionally?
Smug art rock like TVU and melodic ambient/minimalism

>>126949847 (OP)
basically this

>>126960407
Metal has nothing to do with classical musically, if you're refering to that meme pushed by metal fans. I don't understand what "malecoded" means, music doesn't sound feminine nor masculine to me, and I never understood these labels. Music is supposed to evoke nature, beauty or ANY personal feelings, it is more or less subjective what exactly it "evokes", but the quality of music itself and how much it can express any given feeling, is not subjective.
>Smug art rock like TVU
I get the feeling you're going for, but minimalism limits musical expression. Try some of the Chopin etudes and preludes, start with the E minor prelude and Tristesse, both are quite short, but have nostalgic, melancholic, serene qualities, especially the etude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlfAicS8W0&list=OLAK5uy_lS3KKey6Tnte9UFQ-VZyD8r92BJguSYOc&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmbvcWi1FQ&list=OLAK5uy_n0IXa2U-v1l2sHnEcvqggWyyisV4USylM&index=3

Additionally, try Tchaikovsky's Pathetique symphony and Swan Lake ballet, I can rec recordings if you're willing to give it a shot.

>>126950608
This is redundant, there is no artist there except Mozart

>>126960593
Tru

>>126960562
I like the Swan Lake. Rec me the specific Tchaikovsky/Chopin recording and I'll give it a shot, thank you.

>>126960682
I did link Chopin recordings(playlists once you open the link). Here is Tchaikovsky's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13_-P13Yf40&list=OLAK5uy_nDMRAjrCkCyUCxHGPrMLuBeu33aXMcE1o&index=23

And in the same vein, Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xQodIz01s&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=33

Once you get into these and get exhausted, try other pieces, composers, eras, the style varies immensely. Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Dvorak etc. are all romantics, but even there you have huge stylistic differences. Then try baroque, Bach, Handel, Scarlatti - completely different style and aesthetic.

Did you enjoy 2nd movement of Beethoven's 3rdor the Chopin pieces?

>>126960826
>Did you enjoy 2nd movement of Beethoven's 3rd or the Chopin pieces?
No, neither. 2nd movement was unlistenable for me and Chopin was better but still not enjoyable.

>>126961281
Whatever.

I can only tell you to listen again tomorrow and try all the other pieces, or remain stuck with your "femalecoded" normalcattle music.

>>126957610
>remastered
That's fake music.

>>126959534
>explain exactly at which timestamp am I supposed to feel anything
That seems like an incredibly childish and autistic way to approach it. You're not *supposed* to feel anything at a specific moment, like it's some amusement park ride with scheduled thrills. The emotional impact is subjective and depends on the context, or your experience and attention. Like, a small part or a detail in orchestration can be the highlight of the entire piece for one listener, but another person doesn't even notice it.
The beauty of classical music is in its diversity in form, sound exploration, narrative possibilities, and the wide range of emotions and thoughts it can induce. If Beethoven doesn't work for you, there are literally hundreds of other great composers across different styles and time periods.

>>126961388
Retardspeak from guy who only knows like three classical pieces and absolutely nothing else.

>>126963774
????
What sort of astronomically nonsensical claim is that? Keep seething

>>126949868
Real: Mozart, Bach, Beethoven
Fake: Anything other than classical

>>126960562
>Metal has nothing to do with classical musically
I wouldn't be so quick to say that, given how vast the genre is. There's plenty of metal utilizing neo-classical elements, or just straight up neo-classical metal. Hell, there are even classic extreme metal records made by classically-trained composers. But I agree that as a whole metal sounds a lot different than classical music, and in the instances that they do intersect, metal tends to have a different feeling due to the utilization of more modern instruments. But such intersections aren't unique to metal. Even a pop band like Abba utilizes neo-classical riffs.

>>126949847 (OP)
no

>>126949976
good morning sirs

>>126965487
No. Using a melody or motif that resembles or even is from a classical piece does not by itself make it musically "classical". A melody is just melody. How composers treat the melody is " classical music". So playing virtuoso leads with generic power chords running in the background is just as antithetical to classical music as lady gaga.
>extreme metal records made by classically-trained composers.
If you could name more than 5 I'd be surprised. While there may be some, those "composers" are highly incompetent, from what I've heard. Not even all classical composers are noteworthy, you have a canon of few composers, and around 100 that are historically relevant and noteworthy, and maybe another 100 more if we include 'niche' composers.
Nonetheless, there are intersections between popular and art music, and I wasn't referring to those, but metal as a genre.

>>126949847 (OP)
But I do

>>126967915
You can have a conviction of the ephemeral uniqueness of classical music, but at the end of the day when someone plays the same shit on a guitar, then technically it's the same shit. Just the context is different. Music has evolved a lot since the times of classical composers. Honestly, if you've been exposed to a lot of contemporary music, a lot of classical sounds kinda boring, and doesn't really move you the same it once did, simply because newer music is so much more effective at that. I used to listen to nothing but classical music as a kid, but have since expanded my horizons.
>While there may be some, those "composers" are highly incompetent, from what I've heard.
If they're capable of producing genre-defining music, then clearly they are quite competent in at least a few areas. You seem to have this dismissive attitude towards anything that's not classical that I can't get down with. You should expand your horizons. There's so much interesting music you're missing out on because of your... stubbornness? Pretentiousness? Hard to say. But there's some mental block there.

>>126968942
>You can have a conviction of the ephemeral uniqueness of classical music,
No it's literal definition. The form is one of the most, if not the most important and valued aspect of art music.
>at the end of the day when someone plays the same shit on a guitar, then technically it's the same shit.
Then read my post again, retard. The point is that nobody plays "the same shit" they just ripoff a tune or two they can grasp, regardless of structural context, polyphonic accompaniment or harmony. Instead they play a small segment of Bach's piece and slap some power chords in the background. Same shit my ass.
>Music has evolved a lot
It hasn't evolved shit since early 20th century. It has remaines stagnant ever since 1940's or so. Nothing new has been done. What you percieve as "new" is just regurgitation of the old, but this time in le repetitive, monotonic styles and fancy, inexpressive timbres (e.g. massively distorted, compressed guitars for metal/rock). Don't even attempt to bring about the argument "you just don't get it!" I had been listening to pop slop, including harsh forms of metal for years, until I realized how awful it all is relative to genius of classical masterworks.
>contemporary music,
Garbage. All of it. Regardless of style, genre or tradition. A dysgenic society with no "divine" inspiration and declining general intelligence has no ability to produce geniuses, and by extension, great art.
>but have since expanded my horizons.
Quite the opposite. You've failed to see artistic value of classical masterworks beyond mere tunes which is why you flock to modern, popular music.

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>>126968942
>>126969124
>If they're capable of producing genre-defining music,
As if some timbre-based monotonic slop has any artistic merit. Come on.
>You should expand your horizons
I have expanded my horizons far beyond your comprehension it seems. Classical music is not a single genre, it is thousand years of tradition spanning hundreds of different styles and genres. I listen to everything from Baroque up to early modernism. Meanwhile all you listen to is the music of past 50 or so years. Talk about expanding horizons.

I have shrunk my "horizons" in slop and expanded it in art music. A right thing to do.

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sugar ray? Heck yeah

>>126969134
You can continue to lie to me and to yourself my man, but we both know you don't know much about anything that's outside of your autistic genre of interest. But it's okay, I'm not forcing you to go outside. You want to be stuck listening to the same shit played for the thousandth time but this time by yet another performer, then be my guest. But still, my point is that there's so much more out there. I'll suggest that you could maybe listen to some jazz every once in a while. I promise you, that it can get quite sonically varied, intricate, and expressive. At least in terms of technicality it goes far beyond what you'll here in any classical piece, so if you're a sucker for that, then it can be quite interesting in that regard.

>>126969713
>Jazz is more technically complex than classical
pretty sure its just a guy masturbating with a trumpet

>>126969735
Yeah, and it's cool. Don't knock it till you try it.

>>126969713
>You can continue to lie
No one's lying. You're coping.
>autistic genre
So you still don't get it. You will never get it. I guess that's just how it is.
And it appears you've lied to me about listening to classical music yourself, and thus project it on me. Hilarious.
I'm glad you realize I'm an autist. All non-autistic are liars, which has been shown by studies. You can stop playing games now.
>You want to be stuck listening to the same shit played for the thousandth time
Beyond retarded. I just listened to a Bach piece I've never listened to before you normalcattle cretin.
>there's so much more out there.
Correct. None of your pop slop compares to the vastness of renaissance, baroque, classical and romantic era music.
>maybe listen to some jazz every once in a while
I've probably listened to more jazz than you have. It's pop and therefore very narrw and limited, there's not much to explore in jazz. It's like saying "listen to all the 19th century violin sonatas!", oh wait, there's still more variety in that than the entire popular music. Bad example!
> promise you, that it can get quite sonically varied,
Not like a /mu/tant tourist would know anything about intricacy or expressiveness.
>At least in terms of technicality it goes far beyond what you'll here in any classical piece
AHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You can't be serious my man. Get in the locker, you're done for today.

>>126969816
>I'm glad you realize I'm an autist.
It was pretty obvious because of your pigheadedness.
>It's pop and therefore very narrw and limited
I don't know why I even tried to engage with someone who lives in denial of reality, all to reinforce his made up preconceptions. You're not a reasonable person. And you're a liar on top of that. This isn't worth my time. Take care.

>>126969880
>in denial of reality
I'm trying to show you the reality, fool
>And you're a liar on top of that
All non-autistic are liars. (You) are one.

Reminder that if any of Bach's fugues were written today and played by electric guitars with drum accompaniment, every single classicalfag on this board would assemble to call it slop

>>126970084
I don't think every classicalfag would do it, since I don't believe that every classicalfag has a stick up their ass, and some can recognize quality outside of classical music and enjoy it, but some elitists would for sure, since for them classical music isn't mostly about enjoyment, but about identity. A similar thing happens in elitist metal circles.

>>126970084
>>126970151
>t. has never listened to Bach's fugues let alone studied them

>>126970281
I learned to play BMV 565 when I was 16

>>126970324
>BMV
lmfao. As I said.

>>126969124
Moderate distortion (e.g. classic rock tone, not so much extreme metal) *increases* expressiveness of timbre by extending the range of the natural relationship between dynamics and upper harmonics. The tradeoff is of course loss of expressiveness of dynamics, but you said "inexpressive timbres" specifically, and in any case it's easily fixed by a volume pedal in the amp's effects loop.

>>126970500
>extending the range of the natural relationship between dynamics and upper harmonics.
Nonsensical word soup and total musical illiteracy. Get lost, I know you're that timbrefaggot.

>>126970559
Surely you can hear the brighter sound of acoustic instruments when you play them louder? Distortion adds even more brightness to the loud notes. This objectively increasing the expressiveness of timbre. Only when you take it to extremes and lose the possibility of playing quietly for clean sound do you lose expression.

>>126970584
That objectively takes away expressiveness as a result. Timbre itself has no expressiveness, a player can play an instrument expressively, as long as the instrument allows it. Distortion does not allow it, for the reason you stated. Only if you used your brain instead of ChatGPT for once.

>>126970610
"Expressiveness of timbre" means potential for the performer to vary the timbre at will. A electric guitar has more expressiveness of timbre than a classical guitar. A saxophone has more expressiveness of timbre than any classical wind instrument.

Classic rock style distortion allows the performer to smoothly change from clean to distorted tone depending on how hard they pick. Increasing the range of accessible timbre is increasing expressiveness.

>>126970610
And obviously you agree that expressiveness of timbre is a meaningful concept because you yourself said "inexpressive timbres". This is also possible, e.g. black metal guitar tone is inexpressive.

>>126970629
Except it doesn't, the moment distortion/compression is turned on. And as I said, there is no such thing as "expressiveness of timbre".

>>126970641
>inexpressive timbres
Yes that happens with any given non-acoustic instrument. All acoustic instruments are capable of expressiveness, unlike synthslop, guitarslop etc.

>>126970643
>the moment distortion/compression is turned on
You don't understand how distortion works. I'm not talking about "fuzz" style hard clipping. That's the black metal tone and is indeed inexpressive. Soft clipping, e.g. by antiparallel diodes in an opamp feedback loop, turns on and off smoothly. It's doing something very similar to what acoustic instruments naturally do, only with greater range, and therefore greater expressiveness.
>there is no such thing as "expressiveness of timbre".
Then "inexpressive timbres" cannot exist and >>126969124 is nonsense.
>>126970648
An electric guitar has all the expressive capabilities of an acoustic guitar in addition to the new options provided by electronics. It is objectively more expressive.

>>126949868
Real: anything I like.
Fake: anything I don't like.

>>126970478
Fuck, honest mistake. But you get the idea, the beauty of his music comes from how easy it is to follow despite its compactness. You have to be a brainlet to not "get" Bach. Like I said, if it was written today, you autists would finally bring up its ease of comprehension, but you'd use it as a point of criticism and shit on it for being uneventful or not fully realized.

>>126970657
>turns on and off smoothly.
Refer to >>126970643
>Then "inexpressive timbres" cannot exist
Refer to >>126970648
>An electric guitar has all the expressive capabilities
Refer to >>126970643

>>126970678
No one since Bach has managed to write a fugue like him, and you're telling me IF some pop slopper ever wrote one... Does that even matter? You're making up an extremely unrealistic scenario.

>>126970685
Learn some basic electronics and stop contradicting yourself.

>>126970703
Refer to >>126970685

>>126970712
Out of arguments, I see. I accept your concession.

>>126970808
Refer to >>126970685
You've never had any argument to begin with.

>>126950520
This, but unironically.
>>126950608
>>126960593
Sure, Reznor and Yorke aren't on par with big daddy Wolfgang, but the intention is there, and that's what makes it real.