guys am I wrong or is he one of the most overrated "rock legends" in history? I mean sure his vocals are pretty good but he also:
>didn't play any instruments
>didn't compose any music
>basically a frontman for hire

Yes.

>>126973777 (OP)
>basically a frontman for hire
true
but it was he (his wife actually) who hired the professionals to play for him

>>126973827
>but it was he (his wife actually) who hired the professionals to play for him
but wasn't that after Black Sabbath?

>>126973777 (OP)
Yeah both him and Black Sabbath benefit greatly from crazy train being played a billion times on FM. And the fact that Ozzy is given credit for being the first goth front man opening the way up for d’bags like Danzig

>>126973777 (OP)
He plays harmonica little faggot

>>126973777 (OP)
He isn't one of the most overrated, he is the most overrated by far. Anyone with a below surface level knowledge of that stuff is aware of it. The jews saw a potential marketable product in his wonky character and were able to very successfully push that product via the media in the US. The guy's face and name are nothing more than a brand, with a very well functioning jew showbusiness machine behind it.
>I mean sure his vocals are pretty good
His singing is alright at best. It's one quality is that it is somewhat unique in how weird it sounded. He's got nothing else in vocal terms, just the nasal wailing that he's known for, which a whole shitload of people can imitate(and have imitated on his "live" shows)
I respect the guy for what he's been through and still being alive and the absolute goofball that he is, but he's NOTHING behind the army of creative and talented musicians behind him.
It's Tony and Jake and Zakk that should be having back pains and difficulty walking from having to carry this retard for 60 years.

yeah hes so overrated that about 500 million new singers slavishly imitate his vocals every year

>>126973872
>the fact that Ozzy is given credit for being the first goth front man

stop speaking

>>126973777 (OP)
While Geezer wrote the lyrics, Ozzy wrote the vocal melodies generally. I don't remember who said it, but I remember one of the band members praising Ozzy's abilities to come up with melodies, and that often times the first thing he sang would end up being used on the song.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gf0uGilsd0Q

>>126973777 (OP)
well, imagine ozzy, but if he wrote lyrics, thats jim morrison to me. but lots of shitheads treat him like he did everything in that band.

Frontmen and frontwomen don't need to write lyrics or play instruments, that's not what they are there for. As long as they've got charisma in spades and they're unique like Ozzy or Roger Daltrey then they're golden.

>>126974494
Same for Kiedis, he's the one who comes up with the melodies, which is what makes the songs memorable or not. So in that way, Ozzy and Tony have more raw talent than Iommi and Frusciante.

>>126973986
>but he's NOTHING behind the army of creative and talented musicians behind him.
neither are they, which is why they stick around this supposed talentless hack, and as much as I love Iommi, he got a reality check with that in the '80s with his Sabbath career gasping for air, commercially and creatively.

Sabbath were a million times better with him than without so no.
Also Ozzy came up with the vocal melodies.
>>126974863
>Frontmen and frontwomen don't need to write lyrics or play instruments, that's not what they are there for.
This.
It would be like complaining that Tony Iommi doesn't sing or write lyrics. He doesn't need to because his part in the band is playing guitar.

>>126975076
There were moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLtJo30OGeM

>>126975155
this is sort of exactly what I meant

>>126973777 (OP)
life isn't fair, faggot.

>>126973777 (OP)
If it weren't for him, Randy Rhoads we might not have gotten the chance to write the guitar parts he did. Who knows he mightve just stayed in quiet riot.

I think there's also something to say about his relationship with his former bandmates. Are any of them in currently fighting? Compared to Neal Schon and Steve Perry from Journey, his bandmates aren't complaining about his lack of contribution to the process. He probably doesn't have much music theory knowledge at all, but he's delivered so many good songs across ensembles.

>>126975076
You do know that Heaven and Hell is the sixth highest-selling Sabbath album, having sold more than Sabotage, right?

You also do know that heavy metal took off in the 80s, it stopped being a novelty and bands were popping up left and right?

Commercially maybe Sabbath did worse than Ozzy, creatively though, their discography post-Ozzy is completing their picture, not spoiling their legacy. Live eviL was ranked number 18 among the 50 greatest rock live albums of all time by Classic Rock, the bootleg for the Black and Blue tour has cult status and generally Sabbath in the 80s were revered.

>>126973777 (OP)
I'm just grateful that he's a likeable, entertaining character. Fuck it man, some people have just got that thing about em and Oz is one of them.

>>126973777 (OP)
So what?
The same can be said about Robert Plant.
What's your point, Skeeziks?

>>126973777 (OP)
>guys am I wrong or is he one of the most overrated "rock legends" in history?
Yeah, but he's likeable and honest so it's fine. Also; this is the death of intrumentalized music and talent so clinging onto stars of the past is more evident now but fuck, why do I feel Randy rhoads is trying to be erased from any form archival of his existence?

>mfw saw Sharon Osbourne after not seeing image of her since the 2010s
She used to look her species... wtf did she do to her face?!

>>126976624
Those first 2 Dio Sabbath albums were good, but they still floundered during that decade and later on as well, and then they got a number 1 album much later with 13 when Ozzy came back into the fold, though then again when Sharon pulls strings, they're tighter than an Everest rope. Also Live Evil was trash and got mogged by the Ozzy live album of Sabbath covers put out during that time solely just to dunk on Iommi and co. Dio can't do Ozzy songs any more than Ozzy can do Dio(era) songs, i'm sure.

>>126976830
Heaven & Hell was real the moment heavy metal was really born musically as a genre, Ozzy gets way too much credit as the "father" when all comes from proselitism and imaginery rather than the actual musicianship of it. The real father(s) of metal were Dio and, in a lesser extent, Ritchie Blackmore.

Rainbow's records with Dio at helm were hitting true metal levels in the fucking 70s even with some ballad and usual r&r tunes within. Sabbath before than point was just rock and roll and only become metal with Dio and Gillan.

>>126975249
Halloween Whitesnake is sick.

>>126976697
>why do I feel Randy rhoads is trying to be erased from any form archival of his existence?
You're schizophrenic

>>126976859
Born Again is a great example of it not being Ozzy, It's absolutely a Sabbath album. There's a reason Spinal Tap took the piss out of it, it's Heavy Metal kino.
https://youtu.be/EoERadO-0cI

>>126976859
>Heaven & Hell was real the moment heavy metal was really born musically as a genre
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>126976926
Woah no need to be ableist, you going off the rails on a crazy train or something?

Born Again riffs are sick idgaf who knows it
https://youtu.be/IFOa1WJTwJY

Ozzy was there before the tarzan heavy metal guys in the 80s, and was there after. Dio was just a relic of the 80s.
Its incredible how Ozzy started as a dark hippie before heavy metal, was there during heavy metal, and was there AFTER heavy metal.
And while Dio is technically superior singing it doest really mean shit in a rock frontman. Dio could never pull that shit. As soon as the tarzan screaming fade out Dio dissipated while the king remained. Ozzys solo work in the 90s was great, and not a shitty nostalgia cashgrab like many other 50yo old guys do. He was making new music that entered the canon of rock (again, as if his job with black sabbath wasnt enough).

>>126976936
Sorry Im just a little paranoid, sanity it's quite beyond me

>>126976928
Insane how memoryled Gillan on Sabbath got despite being a top tier album and becoming the blueprint of the metalhead look

>>126976977
Gillan got blackout drunk with the Sabbath guys in a pub, accidentally did a tour with them and they all talk about it like a lads holiday when it was a really influential album and tour lol.

>>126976859
>Sabbath before than point was just rock and roll and only become metal with Dio and Gillan
Nigger, Symptom of the Universe literally invented thrash metal, and you're going to tell me songs like Into the Void, Children of the Grave, and Lord of this World are just "rock and roll"? Fuck outta here
This was from 1975
https://youtu.be/cDXgyU9ObzA?si=tiBl2rvglIvsW6kB&t=44

>>126977006
>Gillan got blackout drunk with the Sabbath guys in a pub, accidentally did a tour with them and they all talk about it like a lads holiday
>mfw this is actualy true
I wonder how wild was John Lord, that batch of musicians were fucking wild but all kind of go silent went it comes to Lord and their partying days. Also all the shitting on Blackmore ft Coverdale's "ah! Ricardo!"

>>126973777 (OP)
I say that a lot. Vocally he is unique but unremarkable.

>>126977030
Apparently Lord was a great guy but he survived the end of Purple into Whitesnake so you know he saw some shit lmao. God bless them all this shit could not happen now some do gooder would call the police or something lmao

>>126976608
No one complains about Ozzy. It's Sharon they all hate. Sharon, who had the drums and bass re-recorded on the 80s albums to avoid paying royalties and now they sound like shit forever. The same cunt who kicked the bass player at the drummer's funeral, the nasty Jewess. Sharon is a terrible human and deserves misery.

>>126977016
Black Sabbath invented no less than 6 genres of metal and the guy you responded to is a retard.

>>126974506
Jim had a lot more aura, his lyrics were mysterious and simplistic deep vocal delivery matched the mood of the music. Ozzy left most his aura behind when he became a bigger pop culture figure. Not to mention he either credited the lyricist or flat out stole the songwriting credit.

>>126977067
If Bob Daisley wasn't a Buddhist I reckon he would've murdered her.

>>126977016
>Nigger, Symptom of the Universe literally invented thrash metal
>muh over the top drumbeat = metal
Then Bonham did invent 10 strands of heavy metal according your dipshit logic

>>126977099
Blue Cheer and Vanilla Fudge then?

>>126973777 (OP)
Ozzy is the mascot of metal. He's less of a talented vocalist and more of a vibe. He just so happens to have had a career of getting to sing on great tracks. It also helps with all of the wild stories about geeking doves and snorting a line of ants.

>>126977062
>Apparently Lord was a great guy
He had all that energy but you know how those are when unleashed

>>126977067
>>126977088
Bob Daisley is one special kind of masochist; went to deal with Blackmore and Sharon. What was he thinking?!

>>126977099
Post a Zeppelin song of comparable heaviness i'm waiting

>>126977111
No, none. A specific piece doesn't make a whole; if that was true then agressive sounding guitar = metal, which is huge misconception hearing, if you stomach, all those early 00s bands and numetal. Oh wait, here's the "agressive sounding = metal" retard >>126977121

>>126977016
>Nigger, Symptom of the Universe literally invented thrash metal
Queen's stone cold crazy is "thrashier"

>>126977016
Keith fucking Moon was the epithome of a trashy and metal drummer

>>126977121
Zep is considered to be the first heavy metal band. Black Dog is a heavy song. So is When the Levee Breaks. Are they as heavy as Symptom of the Universe? No. But they're comparable.

Remember, Zepp went so fucking hard that the Beatles made Helter Skelter to prove they could make metal if they wanted to. I like Black Sabbath a lot more than Led Zeppelin but you have to give credit where credit it due.

>>126973777 (OP)
>didn't compose any music
one of the biggest memes in music
if you arent a good songwriter dont try to be one
its only a cope for people like bob dylan who cant sing for shit

>>126977140
You could have posted the correct answer in Achilles Last Stand, which is Zeppelin's most metal song, but that still came out well after my examples posted.

>>126977016
>nigger, early-heavy metal wasn't a thing
go back to your k-pop thread.

>>126977120
>JOURNEY TO THE CENTRE OF ETERNITY
Always made me laugh that Daisley probably wrote these lyrics from his soul only to get ripped off massively
>With 80's shred guitar going over it
I'd be a Buddhist too lmao
https://youtu.be/USQGrE8JtY0

>>126977190
I don't find Zeppelin metal at all but merely on its several blueprints, only a band with ocassional heavy tunes and no real metal defining traits.

>>126977171
>Zep is considered to be the first heavy metal band
Only by giga-boomers who hate actual metal and everything that came after Sabbath and Purple
>Zepp went so fucking hard that the Beatles made Helter Skelter to prove they could make metal if they wanted to
That was them trying to dunk on The Who I believe

>>126976928
>>126976977
Based Born Again enjoyers. The Heaviest album of all time.

>>126977171
Zepp were after the Beatles, low effort troll?

Wait, boomers told me this is the beginning of heavy metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_u1eu6Lpds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OmzEQzaaU4

who would win?

>>126973777 (OP)
>didn't play any instruments
his voice fagoid

in the same category as other musicians who are not really skilled but did it before everyone else started doing it

>>126973777 (OP)
Ozzy was always a passable singer surrounded by top notch musicians and songwriters. Luckiest man in rock and metal

>>126976859
retard

>>126973777 (OP)
he gave his all to every performance. that's what frontmen do. the other stuff is just extra.

Only faggots on mu would hate on Ozzy

>>126976830
>Live Evil was trash

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to take that back

>>126977067
Are we sure she's jewish?

>>126980250
Her mother was Irish, only her father Jewish (a twisted sociopath of a man, worth looking up), so technically she's not, at least in line with jewish tradition (if you buy into all that).

>>126977210
>>126977212
They did come up with the sound. Listen to Good Times, Bad Times; a, for all intents and purposes, standard 60s british pop rock composition, turned up by the drumming and soloing.

>>126980274
I know who Don Arden was.

>>126973777 (OP)
Black Sabbath didn't do Crazy Train lol

He has what the kids call "aura" and that's what makes him a legend. He's the Prince of Darkness for fucks sake

>>126974863
This

>>126977214
Here here, love it, regularly listen to the demo tapes.

>>126980640
What "this"? He was mediocre, he just made it work because the style of Sabbath was doomy and heavy. He runs around on stage, big woop di doo. Iommi made vocalists, not the other way around.

>>126973777 (OP)
>>126973777 (OP)
In an alternate timeline, he never was in Sabbath and he'd have retired from his factory job for a few years now in Birmingham, living in a terrace house next to a train track with a few mishapen kids and alcoholism, and hating the immigrant wave.
He still ends up succumbing to parkinson but without anyone ever knowing him.

"We just did not know it would be a problem in America, it was just sex and rock 'n' roll. It is odd that in America some of these covers were a problem, because in the '80s when we would tour here, we always had boobs flashed to us at the front of the stage. Nowhere else in the world, just here. We just did not think it would be a problem to put out a record like Lovedrive in America."

Hilarious. Back then and now we are huge hypocrites

>>126981387
That's why no other carnation of sabbath did jackshit except with Dio lol. Youre just a dumb ass idiot that listens to wpop

>>126973986
You can blame the jews all you want, he was a good frontman and a character. Plenty of more overrated musicians (eg hendrix is literal shit).

>>126982620
This post is cope

>>126982623
>eg hendrix is literal shit
sisters, we've got a live one here.

>>126973777 (OP)
>>126974444
CHECK 'EM

>>126982623
>eg hendrix is literal shit
filtered

>>126982746
Its fact you fucking retard. Go worship dumb pop stars

>>126977113
>Ozzy is the mascot of metal

Yeah, because Sharon turned heavy metal into a circus

Did you listen to Momoa saying, like reading out of a police report for fuck's sake, "heavy metal...is a coping mechanism".

Not it is not. It is rock and roll, it is protest music.

>>126974863
Daltrey had a voice like a truck though. Ozzy was more persona than anything (after Sabbath at least).

>>126977171
Helter Skelter was written after McCartney heard I Can See For Miles.