Metal was always a truly more representative genre of the working class than Punk ever was.

>>126993508 (OP)
Explains why 90% of it sucks.

Yes, demons, wizards, dragans, Satan, nazis, communists, coked up whores, etc are all emblematic of the working class

>>126993528
As ooposed to intersectional anarcho punk about smashing racism? Just look up the backgrounds of both punk and metal musicians retard

>>126993508 (OP)
Maybe but there was always hardcore for working class kids and of course it was also snubbed by critics.

Punk stopped meaning anything after the early 80s and now mostly exists as a DNC fundraising grift.

another worthless garbage thread with this frog

>>126993700
>t. middle class punk faggot

>>126993700
>t. punk seething

the real working class music is edm

It's not about "working class", it's about individualistic elitism and ostracism. Introspection and opposition to all of the world's agents that are against you and your will. Inversion of power, inner exploration, self-knowledge, liberation, and ultimately ego death. Dark enlightenment on a Nietzschean level that transcends labels and broad application due to the particularities of each true listener.

Or, put simply: Judas Priest is fuKKKing killer.

>>126993508 (OP)
punk's anti-establishment was nothing more than a larp
the genres it influenced (metal, hip-hop) has done more with punching up
heck, even kpop has done more rebellion

>>126994032
>labels it Nietzschean
>transcends labels

>>126993508 (OP)
Punk was very anti-establishment and rebellious thing but the only real punk band was the sex pistols and then every thing else was a larp.

>>126993549
The origins dont matter, the ethos do.
Punk
>DIY ethics, makes sound with trashcans and sheet pans if they have to, unfazed by the end result not sounding exactly 'correct'
>you may not like the way i express it, but at least the message is coherent
Metal
>OMG I need an 8 string drop B flat guitar and need to play 128th notes EXACTLY on beat otherwise im a failure
>also no one knows what im saying

>>126996260
>The origins dont matter
Spoken like a true trust fund kid

>>126996202
*only real punk band was a boy band put together by their manager to sell clothes

>>126996260
>>OMG I need an 8 string drop B flat guitar and need to play 128th notes EXACTLY on beat otherwise im a failure
This is unironically exactly how poor people sound, you have no idea what you're saying.

>>126993508 (OP)
It's also the most inclusive with spics and rednecks uniting because of music

>>126996260
>>OMG I need an 8 string drop B flat guitar and need to play 128th notes EXACTLY on beat otherwise im a failure
That is not how metal started, why pretend to talk about something you don't know

>>126996202
It was ALWAYS the systems neatest trick.

Definitely seems that way at least back then.
Punk only existed for a few years in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0bV7OhY2Gg&list=PLp5kxJAhpetnhUFvXa6tbnalvrJqrKPvc&index=19

>>126996260
>>OMG I need an 8 string drop B flat guitar
All of that is a modern problem that every genre has. It's the same nonsense as people asking forums on 'how to sound punk', 'what guitar for punk rock'. Questions that if you're asking you've already gone off the rails.
All the original metal bands weren't hemmed in by contrivances like this and that's why they were better.

>>126993508 (OP)
"Punk" was just arrogant people with minimal talent patting themselves on the back for doing things that were ordinary and unremarkable for people in other genres
>OMG when we started we didn't have any record label support, we had to do everything ourselves!
that's always been quite normal across genres

>>126993508 (OP)
Do you want to know the difference between metalheads and punks? Metalheads still exist.

>>126999889
The best "punk" is just shit people do because they feel like it and they dont care what others feel about it, especially if they were unique and had artistry or expression in some sense

>>126999973
best music/art/work in general is always like that

>>126993508 (OP)
I prefer how marxism views the working class. You can make a lot of money so long as that value is derived from your labor. You could even be relatively poor compared to a doctor but exploit others as a business owner & uphold regressive societal structures.
From that point of view every single genre is working class except maybe classical because at the time you required a patron to perform that music. Certainly all modern genres would be working class.

I'm a working class European and what we listen to most is, in order: sentimental pop/folk music, oldies rock music and then whatever slop is on the radio. I have had exactly 1 (one) metalhead colleague in all my years working, and he was a seriously bald outcast with anger issues no one really got along with.
Punk music is student music here. The weird mutant left-leaning type of student. Metal is mostly for lower middle class types. Asked my dad and we don't think it's ever been any different.

punk is bourgeois excrement

>>126993549
You're more likely to be a retarded nazi if you're a sheltered middle classoid

>>126996260
>makes sound with trashcans and sheet pans
Leftists thinking working class somehow meaning that you live and act like a drug addicted hobo is so strange to me. Like, a lot of punks come from good families and arbitrarily decide to live like that, that doesn't mean they're connected to working people. The average working class person just wants to get by and have a good life.
It's why metal was panned by the leftist music critics too, it wasn't trying to convey some deep political message, it was just meant to entertain and "empower" people. Far more appealing to someone who is tired from their 8h shifts and looking for some fun.

>>126993528
>are all emblematic of the working class
Uhh, yeah, they are? Fantasy shit, horror aesthetics, as well as songs about fucking and going to war are exactly what working class dudes love. I don't get your point.

>>127001713
i mean if that's the logic we wanna go by then rap, pop and country are the real working class music since those are the most popular. but i think we are talking about what represents the struggles of the working class.

>>127001742
The struggles of the working class are paying for their mortgage and browns flooding their neighborhoods. No one gives a shit about "smashing capitalism" or whatever.

>>126993508 (OP)
The working class was robbed of their culture so that new culture could be sold to them.

>>127001762
browns flooding their neighborhood is a direct result of the economic exploitation committed by the rich

>>127001762
>implying browns don't work
What their struggles, then?
>No one gives a shit about "smashing capitalism" or whatever.
I agree, this is a middle class luxury belief for lefties.

>>126993508 (OP)
Keep listening to songs about dragons and drinking beer, faggot