Why didn't any of her music before Dan Nigro have the same sound or any similar structures? Why does it all share so many similarities with Dan Nigros other stuff? This fusion of rock and pop, the specific dynamics between balladry and high energy anthemics, the cute ragey outbursts.
Meanwhile the base songwriting of her older stuff are meandering and immature ballads, with her Dan collaborations, the lyrics are still immature, but much more polished and pointed, clever and catchy - using some of the same structure of lyrical punchiness that Chappell and some of Dan's other artists use.
You can so easily imagine Olivia doing songs he did for other people, moreso than Chappell, maybe that's because Chappell has a more aggressive aesthetic, I'm not sure.
You can hear his work more clearly the less involved the artist is, and those two specifically seem heavier on theme and aesthetic than artistic vision or technical output.
Why does the music industry keep trying to insist that all of these pop stars suddenly write their own music, and the producers are just, like, technical support? It's what allows the industry to take them seriously. People know deep down that it's bullshit right? Why did people stop calling them out?

>>127032501 (OP)
I think its money. The recording artist and label gets none of the songwriting royalties from radio. Which is a lot of money for these huge pop record hits.

I don't think its a PR thing like people make it out to be because only autist on twitter care about that. The general population doesn't give a fuck about songwriters. Most people just attach the song to the recording artist even if they have absolutely nothing to do with creating the song. Most folks have no clue or care about the person who actually wrote it.

>>127032501 (OP)
The band or singer is less important than the producer in dictating how something comes out sounding.

>>127032632
Also, if it was just a PR thing then you wouldn't hear these stories from begrudged songwriters years later where the pop artist ended up taking huge a huge split like 50% of the publishing, if they only need the credibility for face value purposes.

I want to fuck Olivia

>>127032632
Yeah this.
The only the only thing the normal pop music listening public give a flying fuck about is:
Is the melody good?
Does it have a vibe I can relate to?
Does it have a beat that I can move to?
Is it racist and would I be embarrassed to play it at my party.

That's about it'
What they don't care about:
Did the artist singing the song write the song?
Did the artist play any of the instruments in the songs creation?
Did the artist have a hand in the song production?

>>127032501 (OP)
kek she is so fucking ordinary and unimpressive

>>127032818
I dont think they even care about melody. Its more if she looks good, has sass and has the same annoying boring aethetic that they think is cool because its popular and other morons like it

>>127032501 (OP)
Probably why it's all crapo.

>>127032818
And unfortunately that ain't Olivia.

Oh holy shit just realized the only song of her debut Dan doesn't have writing credits is the one little "meandering and immature ballads" fucking kek
https://youtu.be/AqRXiQkyxvI?si=8pmDaAxu2TVOGmCJ
So simple and unremarkable and this was the best she could write for her debut album? And still she couldn't self produce THIS? Come tf on, she gets way too much credit. Legit like 100% sure I could write something more impressive in a weekend and I've never even attempted this shit before. Poptimsm is a disease, we've been scammed into taking these ""artists"" seriously

>>127032818
I'm not so sure that's right anymore, the artist being an actual artist or songwriter wasn't something that was pushed a ton before, but I hear about that shit all the time now.
The music is more personalized and follows their persona narratives now, and they get much more loyal and involved fans because of it. Pretty sure it's just the labels catching onto some of Taylor's appeal and trying to work that in.
Remember their used to be a lot of songs made with no particular artist even in mind and those songs would get traded around and even sometimes bid on? I don't think it really works that way anymore.
Seems like the long narrative and personalization has been turned up to 11 so they can sell the stars themselves before the music is even out. Their popularity means automatic chart toppers before the song could even spread
The general public that just hears something yea ofc I'm all with you on that, but it's so much different now. Even kids back in the day were not under the assumption that all of their favorites like Britney and Christona and Mandy Moore were like real actual musicians and artists yk?
People are listening to this shit at a lot older ages and getting a lot more attached to it now because of these ideas, regardless of how juvenile the music itself is. It's got an air of legitimacy and quality to it when you think they're "proper artists"
It's really fucking surreal the more you think on it, commodifying "the artist" as a commercial product in and of itself, via a stamp of le heckin authenticity. I know that's not completely new, but it's never been so widespread and widely accepted as real before, especially by older adults

>>127033895
Depends on the artist.
Nobody that knows her style is expecting Charlie XCX to not sing with heavy autotune as a aesthetic.
Everyone that knows her style is expecting Chappell Roan to tear the roof off the stage with her searing vocals.
Sabrina is just expected to be comically funny while delivering a good vocal performance.

>>127032818
I'm not so sure that's right anymore, the artist being an actual artist or songwriter wasn't pushed so hard a decade or two ago.
The music is more personalized and closely follows the narrative of their persona now, and they get much more loyal and involved fans because of it. Pretty sure it's just the labels catching onto some of Taylor's appeal and trying to work that in. The fans feel like they know them, like they personally relate to them.
Seems like that long narrative and personalization has been turned up to 11 so they can sell the stars themselves before the music is even out. Their loyal bases mean automatic chart toppers before the songs even have a chance to spread.
But the general public that just hears something and is like "cool I like it", yea ofc I'm all with you on that.

>>127032501 (OP)
Everyone knows that all of these popstars went to private schools and studied with the best music producers, I still remember that The Kid Laroi got exposed for this.

>>127033964
Most...but not all.

>>127033979
Yes, most of them have rich daddies that pays for their careers

>>127032501 (OP)
is there precedence for that? did they ever try to pretend britney or christina or nsync were "writing" their own songs?

>>127033991
No but no one took them seriously unless they were 13 year old girls too unlike now. We have my little pony equivalent obsessed weirdo grown men with these pop stars now

>>127032501 (OP)
why can't you believe that young people have good ideas?
and that a producer is there to make sure the execution of those ideas is at it's highest potential

of course dan nigros way of execution will leak into her ideas

>>127033991
I actually remember myself some mention of a song in an interview or on some press snippet on Britneys first album that "she even wrote the lyrics to one very personal song on her debut album", suggesting that it was a given assumption that she wrote nothing.

>Dear Diary
Dear diary
Today I saw a boy
And I wondered if he noticed me
He took my breath away
Dear diary
I can't get him off my mind
And it scares me
Cause I've never felt this way
No one in this world
Knows me better than you do
So diary I'll confide in you
Dear diary
Today I saw a boy
As he walked by I thought he smiled at me
And I wondered
Does he know what's in my heart
I tried to smile, but I could hardly breathe
Should I tell him how I feel
Or would that scare him away
Diary, tell me what to do
Please tell me what to say
Dear diary
One touch of his hand
Now I can't wait to see that boy again
He smiled
And I thought my heart could fly
Diary, do you think that we'll be more than friends?
I've got a feeling we'll be so much more than friends

>>127034043
>why can't you believe that young people have good ideas
Naw I have no issue doing that at all. A lot of my favorites started in their teens.
But every single major pop star didn't go from being minimally involved in the songwriting process to every single one being a class A songwriter to such a high degree that it all blends in seamlessly with the current standard. And they just all happen to come off as incredibly curated and brand heavy, genius marketers in their songwriting narratives, and all of these phenomenon just happen to have come up in the industry as children etc. What are the chances? You can hear what we think of as Olivia's sound in Dan's work before her, the same sound that doesn't exist in any of her solo written stuff.

I WANNA SEE OLIVIA’s RODRIGO

>>127032501 (OP)
You’re fucking retarded if you think her hyperventilating shtick is “cute” and not the cringiest shit ever.

Bolivia Rodriguez is a plagiarist cunt who doesn’t write any or produce of her own shit and I hope she gets sued out of a career for good and finds out she’s sterile from all the abortions she’s had

>>127034746
Well I don't think it's cute but they're clearly going for quirky cute #girlrage

>>127034926
And it sounds terrible and forced. The only artist who did that “mental breakdown mid song” thing well was Conor Oberst from Bright Eyes.

This makes her writhe in seething jealous pain every night

>>127032501 (OP)
The new manufactured pop star is one that appears as a singer songwriter. They have to be this nowadays to gain respect it seems. I cringe like hell every time they forcefully sneak it into every fucking interview about when they wrote their songs. Even the ones from that got a music career from fucking tiktok when they didn't even originally start out in music say it. Miley Cyrus says it about her latest album. See how many fucking people it took to create every song on her album. It's around 9. Yet her fans and even critics eat it up. Rodrigo is no different. I saw a comment today saying "Olivia is great at writing guitar riffs". You've got to be fucking kidding me!? Billie Joe from Green Day obviously finds it difficult creating riffs and he creates all his own stuff.. yet you're telling me Olivia creates melodic riffs. Absolutely no way. The most she does is write simple words that rhyme about boys. Dan Nigro is the real songwriter.

>>127035706
>I saw a comment today saying "Olivia is great at writing guitar riffs". You've got to be fucking kidding me!?
Her fans are worse than swifties by now. This mutt bimbo doesn’t write her own lyrics much fucking less her own instrumentation. Dan Nigro and a board room of old white men who understand market trends do all the work and she’s just the smiling face who yodels into a microphone on stage. The dark reality is that Di$ney saw how massive Billie Eilish was getting and Ratrigo was their pathetic attempt at tapping into that market, complete with actually stealing from Paramore, Taylor Swift, Avril Lavigne, and Elvis Costello, despite her sucking his old balls into being fine with it.

>>127032501 (OP)
>Why didn't any of her music before Dan Nigro have the same sound or any similar structures?
what older stuff? She made her only 2 albums with him. If she did have some songs then she would've used a different producer who has their own sound.
>Why does the music industry keep trying to insist that all of these pop stars suddenly write their own music,
Pop starts write their own lyrics and melodies while the producers make the instrumentals. That's what they mean by writing their own stuff.

>>127035761
And she didn’t even write hers. Just like how Sabrina Carpenter didn’t write hers. Just like how Miley Cyrus didn’t write hers. Just like how Christina Aguilera didn’t write hers. Etc etc etc.

>>127033964
I thought Kid Laroi got the Diddy treatment?

>>127034005
>We have my little pony equivalent obsessed weirdo grown men with these pop stars now
You can just say Indians it's fine.

>>127035785
Some pop stars write, some don't. Just because some don't doesn't mean all of them don't write at all. Miley and Christina never claimed to write during their early prime years. I don't know about their more recent stuff.