Ssriously, visual arts have moved beyond the Italian Renaissance. Visual art scenes have had plaenty of post-renaissance, post-baroque scences. We got our cubisms, pop art, abstract expressionism, minimalism, dadaism, you name it. I'm sure with visual art, people can name a contemporary living artist who is doing interest work. I'm sure the same applies to art film.


With art music nobody names their favorite contemporary composer, everyone always name Bach, Beethoven, Wagner. These people lived and died centuries ago.

I am not claiming that music is necessarily bad because it was made in the past, but why are low-art, commercial art genres more innovative than classical music? Why did the musical aristocracy stop making new music and take advantage of powerful new technology like computers?

There's so much potential with all of the new technology that has been created and has evolved exponentially over the last 200 years or so.

Yet the only ones who have taken advantage of this fact are poor black people from the hood?


What happen to our society where the rich and powerful white man, only let black men from the hood create new music.

What does it mean to be creative? It means to create. The only thing white people have done for music in the last 200 years is to imitate. It illustrates the black males creative superiority in a contemporary musical context. In fact, the only thing the white man has done is copy the black man, he did it with jazz, hip-hop, country, rock and roll.


The high art music scence has failed to innovate and create new music despite the invention of computers and artificial intelligence. How this has happened is a complete mystery. Especially since this doesn't doesn't seem to apply to the high visual art scene.

god, bach, white men, nationalism, soul, something

i forgot IQ

>>127080242 (OP)
It did innovate. It's just that nobody likes the products of its innovation.

>>127080427
Interesting, so high art music has innovated, but 4chan trolls and redditors fail to appreciate contemporary art music and only jerk off Bach and Beethoven because they are uncreative and unable to appreciate new music even in their preferred genre? Interesting, interesting, I was not aware of this

You can't even name an active visual artist. It's disingenuous to compare "art" music to the most played songs on Spotify. Wash your penis.

>>127080460
Anish Kapoor. Now name a contemporary music artist worth listening, a serious art musician

Why is this blackedjeet post even being entertained?

>>127080242 (OP)
SOPHIE was literally doing this, especially in the PRODUCT days, SOPHIE's old interviews from 2013 are all Matthew Barney and Thomas Ades references, the whole project was an experiment in fusing high art technique and meta with contemporary popular cultural trends to create a holistic performance piece about the structure and condition of life and particularly consciousness in current society, but you all kept seething about the tranny thing when in the end it all turned out to be a part of the performance anyway

>>127080491
why do you think they sell this shit at walmart?

>>127080495
N.B. I will concede SOPHIE dropped off a bit after OILS sliding into jam-itis and just playing around while zonked instead of bothering with high art. Story goes (not the gossip from the other day) that SOPHIE got tired of the perfectionism required for the PRODUCT stuff and having already proved themselves slipped into a looser more collaborative style to simply live a popstar lifestyle collabing with the Kpop industry and rappers for $$$s instead. But how it started out was exactly the sort of thing you're talking about.

>>127080495
sophie is just retarded watered down revival pf previous sounds, nothing innovative unless the guy is receiving the token identity politics pro fag treatment

>>127080541
People overstate the originality of some specific elements within SOPHIE's sound design but overall I disagree that there's a music that's sounded that bright, sharp, and kinetic in that way before. Better music maybe but not anything that fills that same niche compared to e.g. the glut of interchangable post-punk bands or rappers.

>>127080453
It's not just 4chan trolls who don't like modern classical music. Very few classical fans enjoy it. Orchestras have to program it in between Beethoven and Mozart to get audiences to sit through it.

>>127080495
Listening to Product now. This is some good shit. Thanks Anon

>>127080242 (OP)
kys faggot

>>127080597
Why are classical music fans not fond of creativty? No respect for their artists who live among us today

>>127080601
Check out the debut single 'Nothing More To Say / Eeehhh' which is part of that era. There's things like the Just Jam performance from that time too that either exist only in low quality or have been made lost media because SOPHIE was one of those Francis Bacon / Arthur Russell types who would often immolate plenty of past work in some mental fit. Really the only way to get the full experience would be to have seen SOPHIE live at the time on a good venue-sized soundsystem, which I kick myself for missing the opportunity for. Someone on Reddit collated all the interviews in one place if you google and want to read up more but a lot of what's in the work very elusive and subtextual because the common auteur obscurantism is compounded by SOPHIE having been literal aristocrat-tier upper-class British, who have a very secretive and odd manner about them in general that leads to even less detail being given explicitly than usual.

It's my opinion SOPHIE rather shot themself in the foot being quite so extreme about that, because it only drew more titillating attention to the 'mystery' of the person behind the projejct from parasocial nematodes instead of less scrutiny. Robert Pattinson had the right idea going to lunch with a nutty fan who was harassing him and dumping on her how mundane and irritating the practicalities of his day-to-day life as an actor are so that she'd lose the spark of her imagined version of him and lose interest.