>(((Rick Rubin)))
>Can't play a musical instrument
>Doesn't know any music theory
>Doesn't know how to use a mixing board
>Somehow the common denominator of the best white music of the past 40 years and the best black music of the 2000s
>Tells inferior goyim how their own music should be played
How do they keep doing it ?

Dr.Dre atleast can program a beat on a MPC3000.
Rubin is literally DjKhalid/P-Diddy level Producer noob.
it baffles me

>>127107826
Dr dre is surround by skilled musicians who he gets to replay samples so he doesn't have to as much for clearing them.

I am the same. I'm not a hit making music producer but give me fl studio and I can make songs better than people I know who can play actual instruments. It's weird. Making all the elements to a full song is a skill in itself. I know guys who write songs and lyrics with guitars but put them in front of logic and they're putting jazz drums over a 90bpm melody. It's strange.

Honestly the ear test mogs theory. If it sounds good you're good to go. We're all exposed to so much music throughout our lives that we can naturally tell when songs are out of scale or melodies don't resolve properly. Thats enough to make a hit record. There's on producer that had loads of hits a few years ago and they're all at 140 bpm because he didn't know you could change the bpm in pro tools lol. A lot of people have been saying rza, who produced most of the wu tang stuff, scored kill Bill and is a legit genius went shit after he learned music theory.

If it sounds good and you accidently break a rule and it still sounds good you'll have music nerds cumming in their pants for not following the rules and creating something interesting.

>>127107895
how do I unlearn years of music theory in order to be good at making music again

>>127107895
I agree with this.

>>127107914
Stroke or blunt force to the head

>>127107914
Haha. One real real musicians do when they sit at a daw and get to work it they make stuff too technical and fancy, which impresses other musicians but normal people don't even notice. Simple is key these days. Most music is spread through short form video content these days so you 40 note piano riff is over kill. You know what you're doing already so simplify things, make your little switch ups and counter melodies and the most important thing these days is insane sound selection. 2 instruments playing simple catchy melodies that sound socially perfect bangs these days. If study popular music progression from classical music to modern day, it's gone from they big complex 15-20 minute pieces to some catchy synth a fat bass and a cool vocal sample. It's gotten simpler and simpler which is ironic as music start out people just banging out simple rhythms on cow skulls and shit. Full circle moment. Knowing music theory gives you got like powers but there is a reason some of these hit records are produced by morons. Look at guys like bushy one string. A one string guitar and some amazing vocals and he makes bangers.

Your style just might not have come into fashion yet.

>>127107895
The problem is autism. The Beatles for example knew about different modes and borrowed chords and whatever, but they actually used their knowledge for greater expression in their music. Nowadays advanced theory is a vehicle for autists to try to impress other autists.

>>127107895
But you're not jewish so don't compare yourself to superior Ashkenazis you pleb

>>127108175
It makes me laugh how ashkenazis contains the word nazis. It's like some cute little couple in joke.

>>127108085
I don't really care about making something with mass appeal, I just can't like my own music anymore and end up leaving shit unfinished. I've always made somewhat complicated and lopsided music with a decent audience but back then I would just bang out a rhythm or a chord progression on my guitar in 3 minutes and think "yeah that's good" and I'd be fucking right. Now I spend ages on my computer playing different takes back to back trying to figure out if some particular chord would sound better if it was suspended or had a different note in the bass or whatever. Or if I should repeat this section after that section. I always "knew" theory but now that I "KNOW" it shit doesn't come naturally anymore.

>>127108353
Bro no one cares about your garbage music you pontificating faggot

>>127108338
it would be funny if most of the "jews" that escaped to America and USSR were actually nazis

>>127108172
There are still musicians who do crazy theory stuff in their songs and have hits but the modern hit making meta atm is keep it simple use a few little tricks and mix it up to keep the listener interested. All the elements from the 20 minute classical symphonies are generally still there but they have just been condensed down to the most form. For every hit you have some talented musician making 20 minute video about the circle of fifths and choice of modes you can can find a video of some retarded nigger with a hit just saying it sounded good. One thing I used to do was download the midi to popular songs and play it on a piano with no effects and it sound shit as fuck. Start playing round with different vsts and effects and you can make them sound crazy which is why sound selection is key these days. Anyone can make a decent melody. They're relatively simple and you don't have to use that many notes but to turn it into a popular song is another skill in itself. I don't like classical music that much but have listened to a lot and some melodies and instruments hit me like bang, that's amazing but not very often. All the classical stuff and theory perfect stuff will age better though. All these booming 808s and crazy synths sound good now because it's in style but will sound dated and aincent in 20 years. Whereas a really well written piece of piano music will kinda be timeless. But yeah we're making songs for the platforms they will be on and people's attention spans these days, I think you have like 20 seconds to hook someone in or they will skip or get bored. You to grab attention and simple, catchy, interesting sounding things are the meta right now. It is what it is. People will be making their own songs with ai soon and that will be the next big thing I think so the moods of theory will be important but the production will be automated.

>>127107496 (OP)
>knows the band he's recording most likely sucks
>does nothing to change it
>gets check
>presses record
>leaves to watch WWE
He's incredibly based

>>127108417
That sucks, me too

>>127107496 (OP)
>>Tells inferior goyim how their own music should be played
that's all you need to know really. Advertisers and big companies don't sell for having great products but by knowing how humans behave and most people behave the same way, even if they say they're all different lel

People care more about what entails to be part of a community rather than the quality of the music.

>muh music theory
the last refuge of the midwit

>>127108545
The nigger mind fears rationality like the plague

>>127108353
Yeah man I get it. I can't really play guitar but had more fun freestyling over the scales that I was trying to learn than actually learning songs because when you hit sick little melody its an amazing feeling. Finishing tracks is a skill in itself. I was producing 7/8 hours a day during covid and I was forcing myself to finish more tracks my music was getting better but when you're making a lot of music the whole repetitive shit starts to get to you. There are only so many drum patterns you can do, you have to eq everything, mix stuff, arrange your mixer, chop and change the sounds etc etc and it sucks the life out of it trying to get a couple songs ready for Spotify. The actual fun bits of creating a song soon get outweighed by the hours of tinkering you have to do. Some producers are so prolific because they get interns to set up the studio sessions, pay trannys to tinker with the elements and mix and master the shit. They just walk in, do the fun shit then get other people to do the boring stuff. Most of the songs I make these days are just made with samples on koala sampler. They're basic as fuck and there are hardly any mixing capabilities but making a fun little hip hop beat with a crazy little sample scraches the itch. If I made a banger I'd pull up the laptop and get to work but most of your stuff is gonna sound shit.

>>127107496 (OP)
ah yes, who could forget those classic white artists like ll cool j, run dmc, public enemy, and system of a down?

>>127108623
I meant Slayer, Metallica, Red Hot, a bunch of heavy hitters in rock to be fair

>how their own music should be played
He's a producer. His job is to package the music so it fits Top 40 rotation or is radio friendly. That's a marketing position it isn't a creative one.

>>127108172
>Nowadays advanced theory is a vehicle for autists to try to impress other autists.
music theory is a tool to help you get the sounds you want and to communicate musical ideas. That's it. You're not cool for not knowing things.

>>127108548
rationality is that you're a spergnerd, fuck off back to the king crimson thread

How do you get good at mixing? I keep making a wall of sound mess that sounds good to me but know it's probably too abrasive

why is there a thread every day lately about how this nigga doesn't do anything

A producer's job is to advise the band on how to improve their songs by making creative suggestions. He doesn't need to know any of those things (although it can help).

The reason this is confusing now is because people keep using the word 'producer' wrongly. People started using it to mean the 'mix engineer' instead and then you had all these rappers calling themselves 'producers' for making a drum beat on the computer, probably because they think it makes them sound more professional. It's at the point that the meaning of the word has been garbled.

With that said, I haven't seen anyone saying anything good about Rick Rubin for a long time. He's been responsible for screwing up a lot of albums.

>>127109598
shieeeet

>>127109504
Most 'good mixing' is really just good arrangement. If you have a song recorded where everything fits into place nicely then it pretty much mixes itself and your 'mixing' just has to enhance what's already there.

Whenever you end up fighting against the 'mix' that's usually a sign that something is cluttering it up. An obvious example would be if you have a guitar part that's constantly going during a verse with a vocal. A lot of the time you don't want any other midrange melodic stuff going on when someone's singing because it's going to overshadow it and then things sound messy and small. This problem can also happen with a drum part that's too busy (too many cymbals especially).

If you ever listen to multitracks of classic songs you'll notice there's a lot of restraint in what everyone's playing and everything is being played to serve the song, usually that means making the vocal sound as good as possible, but whatever the main selling point of the song is needs to be emphasized.

Your wall of sound might sound good though because that can be its own thing.

>>127107496 (OP)
>white music
what's this bullshit?
he's produced Geto Boys, LL Cool J, Beastie Boys, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, The Mars Volta, Neil Diamond, Wu Tang Clan, Santana, Travis Scott, and loads more non-white people

maybe learn first, post after?

>>127108648
>just ignore all of those other examples, which all happen to be where he actually got his start as a producer, and focus on my 3 special pleading cases

You think he underwent metzitzah b’peh as a baby?

>>127107496 (OP)
He unironically would agree with you. He's literally just in the studio like "bro it would be cool if you did this" and then the artists do all the work. Still the goat.

>>127110961
>You think he underwent metzitzah b’peh as a baby?
Disrepectful goy, you mean *was pleasured by* metzitzah b'peh.

>>127111010
HOLY GENITALIA HOLY MOUTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU2Sr1l4Ifw

>>127107914
Don't unlearn theory. Learn groove

>>127108353
Part of the problem you're describing sounds like having too many options and too much time to fiddle around with things tbqh.
A person could work on one song for the rest of their life and still never be 'done' with it. Same with a painter or any artform.

>>127108029
I’ve been stroking all day and it hasn’t helped one bit.

>>127109102
>proceeds to report my post like a faggot

>>127110174
They're literally the biggest artists in their respective genre you fucking retarded low IQ black phenotype