Thread 127110289

>biggest rock band in the world in the early 90s
>tickets cost $15-20 in 1993, adjusted to $33-43 in 2025
>meanwhile in 2025, past their prime bands like Queens of the Stone Age and Creed charge $800+ for floor level
>Taylor Swift and Paul McCartney charge $2k+ on the low end
What happened exactly? Decline in record sales due to digital media and streaming? Production and staffing costs? Greed?

>>127110289 (OP)
>muh floor
QOTSA tickets near me were like $50
I don't need to be in standing room only areas next to a bunch of fat old guys while Josh Homme sings about his bitch ex wife

>>127110289 (OP)
supply and demand. Economics 101

If the market supports $2000 tickets, they should charge $2000 for tickets. If the show sells out anyway (like Tay's did almost everywhere), then that means they didn't charge enough.

I don't know why people abandon the free-market concepts of supply and demand when it comes to something like concert tickets.

it's mostly just money laundering

>>127110587
>LiveNation monopoly
>free market
You are the reason lolberts are mocked.

>>127110917
ESL?

My qotsa floor ticket was 50 bucks

>>127110289 (OP)
Being able to buy things on the internet easily dramatically increased the demand pool of potential buyers for goods. Instead of competing with just the people in your general area you have to compete as a consumer with basically anyone who has internet access in your country and sometimes the entire fucking world who also happens to like the act you're trying to see, or the house you're trying to buy or that desk you saw on Facebook Marketplace.

>>127111233
>Reddit pasta

>>127110289 (OP)
Concert promoters don't want a repeat of Woodstock '99 by asking obscene prices it ensures only rich people go to concerts instead of trailer trash.

>>127110289 (OP)
You'd think a band this big would be able to hire security to keep Kurt from getting raped by a bunch of black guys in 1992

>>127110289 (OP)
>>127110587

Second post best post. Life is only as complicated as you allow it to be

>>127110289 (OP)
>>127110587
people didn't glorify live shows as much back then like they do nowadays so people are willing to pay more. Even sports tickets were dirt cheap back then too.

>>127111788
they weren't really that big until after Kurt died. all of the thier concerts were small venues, not big arenas like you see today although they were supposed to headline lolapalooza right before the end.

>>127111870
>people didn't glorify live shows as much back then like they do nowadays so people are willing to pay more. Even sports tickets were dirt cheap back then too.

As anon said, back in the 70s concerts and sporting events were gathering places for young men to get drunk and start fights. Nobody wants to deal with that today so pricing out riffraff keeps things safe and clean.

nirvana didn't have to worry about napster so they made a boatload off record sales too. maybe you retards shouldn't have been all muh piracy and you'd have both decent music and cheaper concerts

>>127111788
Never happened.

Jews keep charging more and more for tickets

>>127110289 (OP)
>pay $2000
>spend the whole time watching the show through your phone camera
>never watch the videos
why do people still do this? Having cameras blocking the view is annoying too

>>127110289 (OP)
>biggest rock band in the world in the early 90s

Fuck off with your lies fedboy >>127111885 is right

>>127111885
>>127114155
Nirvana was huge in the early 90s get over it schizo

>>127111788
omit your fantasies from here

>>127114189
Early 90's U2 were the biggest band in the world with their "ZOOTV Outside Broadcast" stadium tour.

Nirvana was only doing arena shows,

>>127114329
U2, Guns, Metallica, and RHCP were the biggest bands on the planet back then Nirvana didn't get close to them.

>>127114345
bon jovi

>>127114329
So, did they kill Kurt before the stadium shows because they didn't want competition?

Nirvana only charged tickets that low because Kurt was humbled after getting bum-blasted by a bunch of bulbasaurs in the scorchin’, no, sizzlin’ hot summer of ‘92.

>>127114390
Do you need a cease and desist letter?

They used to make money on album sales and tour to support their albums but that doesn't work anymore because everyone pirates so you get retarded ticket prices.

>>127110587
your theory falls apart because live nation is a monopoly, there is no competition. they simply charge what they want to charge and you have to pay or don't go. there is no competitor to drive prices down
so to answer OP's question, yes it is due to the greed of ticketmaster/live nation and their monopolistic control over tickets

>>127114430
The Justice Department has been working on antitrust action against Ticketmaster recently. Godspeed hope they do break them up.

>>127114446
yeah, cross your fingers. doesn't matter, ticketmaster even as a separate entity will still just be more of the same

>>127114329
by that logic the Rolling Stones were the biggest band of the 90s

>>127110289 (OP)
>Paul McCartney charge $2k+ on the low end
He was literally the Zayn of the 60s. Of course he's in demand. Please educate yourself before posting further.

Live Nation has a totaly monopoly on ticket sales and large music venues

please watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0OP525STto

did you know that SpaceX became a thing because the Air Force got tired of Boeing/Lockheed overcharging them for satellite launches? all monopolies die eventually when someone offers a cheaper superior product.

>>127110967
What about that comment makes you think ESL?
Is it lolberts? Is that what tripped you up?

>>127110289 (OP)
Past their prime bands always overcharge because you're paying for the privilege of seeing a legend like McCartney and they very often assume the fans of those people are boomers who can afford it not 18 year olds working a summer job.

>>127114612
the aerospace industry did also get heavily consolidated by the 90s and they decided they could just demand any exorbitant price to launch a satellite

>>127114345
>and RHCP
Fucking retard.

>>127114649
After BSSM came out yes they were easily up there in the top tier of huge bands.

Monopolies come and come in waves for a lot of the mid-20th century if you bought a car it was just Ford/GM/Chrysler there weren't really any other options. By the 90s you had a few dozen domestic, Japanese, Korean, and European car makes to choose from.

>>127114430
>overcharge
>people can't afford to go to your shows
>nobody goes
>go bankrupt
That doesn't seem like a sound business plan tbqh.

>>127114430
they are not overcharging if they sell out concerts. thats your impression as a dinosaur/poor fag. You are not the audience anymore. I mean you can be the biggest fan of your band, but you are not the concert audience anymore. The real concert audience will pay those prices and dont even think they are expensive. Its normal to them.
Also I fail to see how having many companies would get you lower prices when its not like sodas that you can sell different brands at the same time. Each band tour would be managed by a single company. Not many at the same time.

>>127110289 (OP)
Inflation. Basic economics.

>>127114655
not really, Pearl Jam or REM were much bigger for example

>>127114504
Kurt Cobain died in 94. I was only talking about concert tours while he was still alive.
Voodoo Lounge tour didn't start till after Kurt was deceased.

In 1993 tours were selling albums, now albums sell tours.

>>127114006
>>127114190
Kurty defense squad swooping in like always

>>127115334
What's your source anyways?

>>127115349
So you don't know?

>>127111885
They refused to play big arenas you clueless moron
If he wanted more money he would have played Lolapalooza but refused to do so
And guess what, the great Pearl Jam never said no to these big arenas, because they were so driven by music and nothing else

>>127115387
So you don't have one.

>>127110289 (OP)
Did that faggot ass really put wings on himself like he's some angelic angel? Fucking loser.

>>127114430
>they simply charge what they want to charge

They charge what will maximize profit. When Walmart charges low margins, it's not out of charity. Companies do whatever will be best for the bottom line.

>there is no competitor to drive prices down

Everything is competition from local bar bands, to sporting events, to movie theaters, to Netflix. If more people simply refused to pay for Taylor Swift then they would lower the price, but they have no logical reason to as is.

>>127114430
>yes it is due to the greed of ticketmaster/live nation and their monopolistic control over tickets

Nobody is forced to buy tickets. Why doesn't Ticketmaster charge $50,000 per ticket? They charge what the market will bear and take the heat for appearing "greedy" instead of the artists. It's simple supply and demand economics. The education system is a failure when so many don't understand a basic mathematic concept like this.

>>127115522
You don't understand anon, ticketmaster OWES ME tickets to a random show so I can get drunk and watch a bunch of twats dance on stage, tickets should be FREE!

>>127115420
He's stood in front of a statue that has wings you fucking mongoloid

>>127115534
IT'S A HUMAN RIGHT

>>127110289 (OP)
>Paul McCartney charge $2k
I saw him in 2019 for like $30, cheapest tickets btw.

>>127111788
KWAB

>>127110289 (OP)
>>biggest rock band in the world in the early 90s

Not even remotely close to being true.

>>127110587
Actual business major here. Just passing through, but I though it was worth point out that this is not even remotely close to how "supply and demand" works. You literally know nothing about economics.

>>127110289 (OP)
>biggest rock band in the world in the early 90s
>>127114504
how come you guys told me nirvana and grunge were popular but none of those bands are in the top 10 highest grossing tours of the 1990s?

>>127110289 (OP)

Where are you getting these ticket prices from? US bands in my country charge around 40-50 eur per ticket, at local venues. It's usually enough to carry the costs of touring Europe

>>127116865
>I paid thousands of dollars for a piece of paper so Im always right and everyone else is wrong

>>127117125
Do you seriously think that posting on 4chan makes you an expert in economics? [spoiler]You do, don't you.[/spoiler]

I don't think Taylor Swift is worth $500 or even $100.

>>127110289 (OP)
The Justice Department has been engaged in an antitrust suit against Ticketmaster so we'll see how that goes.

>>127117294
Go back to /tv/ nerd

>>127110587
>I don't know why people abandon the free-market concepts of supply and demand when it comes to something like concert tickets.
why? because these inflated prices are manufactured by greedy middle-men like ticketmaster and it turns basic entertainment into an elite activity that working class people can no longer afford
if you defend that because "muh free market capitalism" you're a fucking idiot
>inb4 stop being poor
if you can easily afford ticket prices in the hundreds, congratulations but that doesn't mean you're not being squeezed for every penny... there's just more to squeeze before you run dry. thankfully you can always find solace in the fact that you understand economics 101. retard

>>127118651
Hmmmmmm...

>>127118610
a monopoly really isn't free market though

>>127116466
OH NO NO NO KURTY

>>127118795
You've got some serious problems.

>>127118955
Huh what u mean

>>127118610
The prices aren't inflated if that's what people choose to pay. Maybe think of it like an eBay auction? Ticketmaster events can vary wildly in price, but in Taylor Swift's case she demands one of the highest fees of all time to appear. She might be a nice person who donates to charity, but she's not showing up unless her cult like fans provide her with a giant fucking ton of money and they zealously provide it. That's the obvious reality, but neither her or her fans or the clueless public want to acknowledge their roles in driving the price, so Ticketmaster and the "greedy" businessmen act as scapegoats and take the hate.

"If Live Nation is a monopolist, it certainly is not reaping outsized profits. For the first three quarters of 2022 – a record-breaking year for the live music industry – its net profit margin was 4.7%.

...Remember my $436.25 concert ticket? The price could have just as easily been structured as a $436 face value for the ticket and a 25-cent Ticketmaster fee. What does Live Nation care? The money all goes into the same pot no matter how the final price is structured. Exorbitant convenience fees help to take the heat off of entertainers for their high prices. Ticketmaster has done an Oscar-worthy job of playing the bad cop."

https://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/stop-blaming-ticketmaster-for-high-prices.htm

>>127119206
I think she's worth about $40 tops you think $500 is worth seeing a bitch lip sync to a backing track?

>>127119206
>Swift is actually taking home about 85% of all revenue generated by The Eras Tour. That’s a huge percentage, and not many names in music can pull in that high of a rate.

>Forbes reports that at each stop on The Eras Tour, Swift is personally earning between $10 million and $13 million. Again, that figure is per night.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2023/10/14/taylor-swift-is-making-an-insane-amount-of-money-every-night-on-the-eras-tour/

I'd like to see her just once during a show be like "hey thanks guys, after tonight I'm gonna be $10 million dollars richer! I'm thinking of buying a new yacht or my own tropical island. Want me to come back next year? Give me 10 MILLION MORE and I'll be here kids! Vote for Kamala, stand up against Live Nation, teeheehee!"

>MARRIED
>BURIED
Prophetic, Kurdt

>>127119689
150 shows - that's at least $1.5B for her. And as you point out, she used her unprecedented platform with females to promote voting for their own destruction. And no one dared question it given her power and popularity.

Makes sense tho - she's an elite now and that's whom Dems benefit now, no longer the working class.

>>127120034
Quite a bit was.

>>127110289 (OP)
you can blame one company and fuck that company, but the problem would still persist just with several colluding companies

so stop patronizing the system altogether until is breaks

>>127114430
correct

there is also the issue of bad actors who will gladly swallow the costs of dealing with a usurious monopoly to tilt the system to their favor (e.g. 'scalpers' buy everything to become their own monopoly like how private equity is scalping real estate to put the squeeze on captive consumers)

>>127110289 (OP)
yes they dont sell records anymore so they need to boost profits from touring. thanks streaming! fuck all streaming slop. it used to be an art ripping cds.

>>127110289 (OP)
The economics of music have changed drastically in 30 years. Nevermind got Nirvana rich but if it were released today to the same acclaim they would hardly make any money from youtube, spotify, etc. The touring is where the money is at today.

>>127111788
I don't remember that in the Charles Cross biography of Kurt.

>>127116865
>Actual business major
oh wow, i didn't realise we had an actual business major on the board. this changes everything.

>>127122294
That's because it never happened.

>>127122294
It's in the newer prints. Ghastly stuff.

>>127122903
Don't lie, anon.

>>127122916
No fooling anon. The newer print is a harrowing read.

>>127122932
There is no newer one.
What you say is a lie as well.
Don't be a lying clout-chasing little bitch.

>>127122940
I didn't believe it either but someone sent me a copy they'd gotten from an out of the way bookseller in Seattle. I can give you directions. It's down an alley and they're only open at night for some reason.

>>127122974
So you're definitely lying.
Again, you've already been told to stop.

>>127122932
Speak for yourself. I read that chapter with a raging hard-on the whole time. I am a little BBC slut tho

>>127110587
Didn't answer OP's question.
Why didn't they charge as much back then?

>>127123071
Explains the lies.

>>127122990
I'm happy to give you the address, sir. Hope this helps.
>>127123071
This is the beautiful thing about art. Some see a horrible sexual act and others see pure goon fuel. I'm just happy Mr. Cumbrain found peace finally.

>>127123169
Are you one of them gaybois that secretly want Kurt to blow out your anus?

>>127123187
What a crazy conclusion to jump to. You Nirvana boys are wild!

>>127123207
Says the idiot with a weird fixation.

>>127123221
I'm trying to give you the address so you can procure this updated book. But now you're just being a meanie.

>>127123256
:(

Good to see nothing's changed.
Except now you're old and pathetic.

>>127110289 (OP)
greed. I went to an AC/DC concert a decade ago and paid $70 for floor tickets right up on the stage. I shopped for Rolling Stones tickets about a year later and they were charging $300+ just to sit in the rafters.

>Records don't sell anymore
>Spotify already hoards a lot of the cash from musicians.
>Most of the money making acts are from the 70/80s/90s and are close to retirement
>Industry knows no other acts will come along to replace them so they're trying to get blood out of a stone

That's just the nature of the beast. Propping up an 80 year old and charging 2k tickets to Boomers on pensions is where we're at

>>127116882
Grunge was a pure psyop pushed by the music industry, one that only teenagers cared about and only for about 2 years. the music industry was desperate to kill metal because "it's not cool" even though shit like Monsters of Rock was breaking records for attendance.

>>127123693
I'd say rap was the psyop.

>>127110289 (OP)
bands got to keep a large portion of what they made playing live and physical sales were at their peak. now, record labels give them the tiniest possible % ownership of their songs and sold their streaming rights for pennies in return for stock in the streaming companies. now sites like ticketmaster that serve zero purpose have their hands in the pie now. it's literally the worst time in history to be a musician

>>127114612
i was in the air force and didn't know that. thanks for the info

>>127114665
you're forgetting AMC. and for the record, that scenario only existed for the 50s and 60s because WW2 and the restrictions on new car sales utterly eviscerated all the smaller independent companies that didn't get government contracts like the big three did. Studebaker, Packard, Nash, Auburn, Cord, Duesenberg, Graham, Hudson, Willys, Peerless, Pierce, Stutz, and Terraplane all died or were gobbled up by one of the big 4 between 1935 and 1955. International, Checker, and REO lasted until about 1980 but only as shadows of their former selves.

>>127123710
they both were. grunge didn't stick so they switched to rap.

>>127114612
I'm gay and I had no clue. Here's an upvote kind stranger.

>>127123878
I feel like grunge might've shifted to pop-punk and eventually emo.

>>127123861
Nah everyone got government contracts what killed the smaller guys was the Ford-GM price war of 1954 and Eisenhower appointing an ex-GM executive as Defense Secretary so that he of course rerouted military contracts to his former employer at Studebaker et al's expense.

>and for the record, that scenario only existed for the 50s and 60s
And really 70s imports only really blew up in the 80s.

>>127123895
they got much smaller contracts. even Willys with their Jeep were forced to share the spoils with Ford. GM alone produced like 40% of the trucks the Army used. Ford alone made around 25% of all bombers. Packard by contrast only got one engine contract, and Studebaker only got a fill-in truck order whenever GM couldn't meet demand.

>>127123895
and also, Honda did very well in the 70s. obviously nothing compared to the market share they got in the mid 80s onwards, but they still were able to prove they could viably compete in America. and this isn't even mentioning Volkswagen who for a solid 20 years were effectively the sole compact car available in the country.

>>127123987
>and Studebaker only got a fill-in truck order whenever

Their South Bend plant was outdated as hell (multistory and still had dirt floors), they were generous with employee wages and benefits to a fault (since after all they employed like 60% of South Bend), and they were still selling vehicles at gas stations and hardware stores as if it was 1920. To be fair the smart move would have just been to forget passenger cars and focus on trucks like REO did after WW2

>>127114121
Pisses me off too. Kind of cliche at this point to fume over it, but I think of them as soulless NPCs whenever I see it.

>>127124077
Studebaker-Packard threw a lot of money away trying to copy the GM pattern of industrial diversification. remember in the 50s, GM made everything from cars to aircraft to home appliances to trains. you could get a GM fridge to go with your GM car.

it's a shame AMC didn't absorb them to serve as their flagship marque.

>>127114390
lmao what the fuck does this mean?

>>127124309
It means that anon is delusional.

>>127116865
it says a lot about the usefulness of a business major if it means they still post here LOL

>>127124339
It seems like he's making a joke, I don't know what "bulbasaurs" refers to though.

>>127110289 (OP)
Inflation mixed with milking people willing to pay that amount.

Also, Nirvana was not the biggest band. Red Hot Chili Peppers were bigger than Nirvana and they weren't exactly making U2/Rolling Stones/Grateful Dead money on tour. In 1993, Nirvana played 2 shows back to back in the Aragon in Chicago (5k venue.) In 1991, Metallica played 3 nights at the Rosemont Horizon back to back to back (15k venue.) Nirvana was not made for arenas, let alone stadiums. It wasn't like they were Pearl Jam or Madonna.

>>127124415
Bulbasaurs are ghetto black Americans. He is taking the Kevin Nash was raped by a tribe of darker gentlemen in the Summer of '92 meme and making it about Kurt.

>>127124475
You know who WASN’T raped in the summer of ‘92? Or ever at all? That’s right, Bob Welch. You just gots to love the Welchster dadd-ay!

>>127114430
whats up with all the bootlicking livenation simps in the comments? fuck live nation and fuck you too if you defend them

>>127123693
>the music industry was desperate to kill metal because "it's not cool"
please elaborate

>>127124965
'pop' is whatever the industry says it is, it's always been pure market manipulation. Who do you think controls what the radio plays and all record labels? Remember, they shilled disco so hard and so blatantly in the 70s that it caused actual riots because actual people hated it so much and were sick of being forced to listen to it.

Real answer to dismay of socialist cucks who blame livenation, is that live concerts are a normie passtime now. Most people go to more concerts yearly than movies.

+ bands that dont retire and get multigenerational audiences, now new acts have to share spaces with old acts
+more population
+more % of said already bigger population interested in live concerts

Meanwhile the stadiums are stuck in time with capacity for 50k/100k people depending which one. You can only do one concert a night, so even if you dont play sports on the stadium, a single stadium can only do 365 concerts a year.
In most countries you just cant make them bigger due infrastructure. Its simply not possible for everyone to see their favorite bands live anymore. You have to build at least 5 times more stadiums.

Now you now what happens when a resource is finite but the demand grows. The prices go up. People will pay. New audiences will pay. If the bussiness already crossed the limit you decided you will pay for it, means you are not the audience anymore. Doesnt matter how much fan of a band you are, you are not the live concert audience anymore.

And if the bussiness keeps growing, unless they make more stadiums, prices will continue going up.

Just to put a random example. System of a down did a Stadium tour in south america this year. SOAD is not a band supposed to do stadiums, yet they sold out everything. Even small bands are selling out stadiums. They arent big enough.

>>127114121
>>127124219
>>pay $2000
>>spend the whole time watching the show through your phone camera
>>never watch the videos
>why do people still do this? Having cameras blocking the view is annoying too
god I hate when NPCs always spew their NPC logic

here is the NPC through process on going to a rock concert
>well there we were at a social gathering with fellow NPCs and we were rudely annoyed by people who were actually there to watch music rather than just share this joyous social gathering. How rude can a person be to ignore me while I am putting on a public display of approval and performing all the requested hand motions by the paid performers. Have these people no respect for our NPC customs? Why would they record this music performance when it was only the social human interaction that mattered. They are not following NPC protocol and should be banished from sharing social gatherings for us NPCs to display our social cohesion. This musical experience is in their mental memory bank and they should not be allowed to record it by electronic means as this breaks our NPC social contract

>>127126317
>Real answer to dismay of socialist cucks who blame livenation
The entire music industry in the world earned $36B last year
Live Nation earned $23B last year

>>127111258
Keeping the riff raff out makes for a good night but probably not the most successful tour

>>127115537
>mongoloid
nirvana does NOT want ableists listening to their music fuck off chud

>>127110289 (OP)
>>biggest rock band in the world in the early 90s
U2 was MUCH bigger but we get your meaning.

>>127110634
maybe you don't understand money laundering as well as you think you do

>>127111907
>back in the 70s concerts and sporting events were gathering places for young men to get drunk and start fights
maybe in your country (guessing the US, Russia, or somewhere in Africa)

>>127126317
>System of a down did a Stadium tour in south america this year. SOAD is not a band supposed to do stadiums, yet they sold out everything.
They're pretty fucking big especially in south america (where their top 3 cities on Spotify are)

>>127128205
*

>>127126847
Lol do you go back and watch the videos? Or does it just ease your anxiety of experiences being finite when you have proof you did something?

>>127125305
Boomers actually had balls. Since when did you see Millenials having anti-808 trap beat riots? None, they're cucks.

>>127126847
>going to a venue that doesn't ban phones
You get what you deserved.

>>127128208
To be fair u2 is not big in south america and fleetwood mac is completely unknown. SOAD is still a small fry to classic bands or even Korn/Slipknot in SA

>>127114504
They unironically were one of them, classic rock nostalgia was at its peak in the 90s

>>127110587
Post nose

>>127129533
Not him, but lets assume there is a benevolent band and goodlivenation. And they decide to reduce prices 50%. You follow? Now they will offer half the money to the stadium people. Will the owner of the stadium get X money from goodlivenation and good band or 2x money from livenation and evil band?
They would simply not rent the stadium to people who wont maximize the earning for the stadium owners.

I know this crosses some sort of line you have with "art", and there are tons of leftist cucks in the arts community, but the truth is that its a business. It always was. It always will be. If they didnt charge more in the past, it was only because they couldnt. The price is the maximum that the audience will pay.

Wouldnt you start going to practically any other concert if the price was a flat 20 bucks? yes? so it means is too cheap. Would people pay 500k for a concert? no? then thats too expensive. Would enough people to fill the stadium pay 500 bucks for it? yes? then thats the price. Simple as that.

You are not the audience anymore for live concerts. Its normies who post on tiktok reels about it.

>>127128444
>Lol do you go back and watch the videos? Or does it just ease your anxiety of experiences being finite when you have proof you did something?
this is such an NPC question

Imagine going to a concert to see your lifelong musical heros, like seeing Ozzy or Eddie Van Halen before he died and NOT recording it for yourself and just giving yourself a dumb NPC cop out excuse of 'well at least I still sort of remember it, to bad I dont have any recording to relive the experience'

>>127114504
yes

>>127115084
nirvana was never anywhere close to Stones/U2/Pink Floyd popularity.

>>127114655
top tier? like the bands above? not even close

nirvana weren't that big

americans have a very sheltered perspective that's how they got trolled so hard by robbie williams

there's never really been a "big" american rock act, just cult acts and imitators

I go to 5€ concerts every week (and they let you come in for free if you're a hobo with no money)

>>127134205
>there's never really been a "big" american rock act, just cult acts and imitators
You saying Metallica and Guns weren't the biggest bands on the planet in the early 90s?

>>127134205
>there's never really been a "big" american rock act

Meds

>>127134205
Our culture is our biggest export. Have fun listening to all of our music and watching all of our movies, faggot.

>>127110289 (OP)
Capitalism happened.

It's a combination of all these factors. Album sales are in the shitter because of streaming, and streaming pays artists fuckin' dick, unless you're a Taylor Swift or something and even then she makes more off licensing.

So, artists gotta play more shows to make money, but the fuckin' promoters like LiveNation, Ticketmaster, and AXS are greedy as fuck and jack up prices to line their pockets because they know people will pay, especially for big ticket artists.

In the case of those "past their prime" bands there's an audience of younger Boomers and wealthy Gen Xers who can afford to drop that kind of money to see their favorite bands—at least for now.

>meanwhile in 2025, past their prime bands like Queens of the Stone Age and Creed charge $800+ for floor level

QOTSA was $95 CAD each for floor tickets and I'd argue their current lineup is their best, live performance wise

>>127134824
Forgot pic. Sounds like you got scammed

>>127110587
because mass music concerts used to be a feature of proletarian culture, before it was bourgeoisified

>>127110289 (OP)
Rock music was the music of the working class, and in the case of punk rock it was the music of the lower class. By the early 2000s that had changed, and bands like the Strokes appeared, with it's members coming from the upper class.

Rock music is now a dead, dying genre because it's being made by the upper class for the upper class, and has no creative soul.

>>127134602
>Album sales are in the shitter because of piracy
There, fixed it for you commie. Streaming is just trying to compete with piracy and they cant charge you more than 5 bucks a month for all the music in the world. So no shit they pay pennies. Every costumer just pay a spotify sub max per month instead of buying multiple albums.

Unironically should have listened to Lars when he told you how was gonna be.

>>127132325
Thats a long text but not a nose

>>127134824
>>127134845
>still way too much

You fags bought the 'you had to be there' meme.

>>127114363
They sucked

>>127134602
Stop blaming your shortcomings on the market, Marxoid

>>127128045
Yeah I think what he meant to say was the most popular band in the 90s (among 14-24 year olds). They were largely a teen fad, like any other rock musicians in their 20s

>>127134533
>You saying Metallica and Guns weren't the biggest bands on the planet in the early 90s?
that guy's an idiot but no U2 was bigger than either, probably bigger than both put together

>>127132581
I do. But I only discreetly film a few short clips and maybe 1 or 2 songs, I'm not livestreaming the entire 2 hours on thicktok

>>127138248
No way were U2 bigger than both put together and it’s arguable that Guns N’ Roses and/or Metallica alone were bigger than U2. In the early 90s both bands had released albums that sold more than any U2 album ever has. In terms of global popularity of these three bands, in the early 90s it was probably

1. Guns
2. U2
3. Metallica

>>127134205
TSwift
Madonna
MJ
Elvis
Garth Brooks
ad infinitum

Why do so many 4chan anons not know shit yet still comment?

>>127111885
They played Reading in 1992, you mong.

>>127134898
>Reddit space user thinks punk wasn't always a plaything of middle class liberal arts majors
>he also thinks half the 60s rock people weren't middle class liberal arts students as well
>he thinks Jim Morrison wasn't the burnout son of a Navy admiral

I honestly hate going to any big concert. I saw Eric Clapton and it sucked because I had to stand up the entire time and not move because I was crammed into a seat. At least I didn't mind rolling stones because the stadium was setup to let me see over the boomers that had to stand. I just always prefer shows where people crowd together and the venues are smaller. They are more intimate.

>>127143710
I think it's less that than the fact that a lot of rich burnout kids back then were disillusioned with what they saw as the sterility and materialism of postwar society so they rebelled. What's changed today is that those people actually worship sterility and materialism, it's something to aspire to rather than fight against. Why that is though is anyone's guess.

>>127110289 (OP)
That one interview where they found out some band charged 60$ for tickets. Kurt was fucking shocked cause they wanted everyone to afford tickets

>>127110587
Can't tell if you're 12 or 62. Either way shut the fuck up retard

>>127143858
Tom Petty sued his own record label for overcharging for albums.

>>127143900
Based and not petty at all

>>127114504
can you not read. The numbers are there
see >>127138310

U2 had the highest grossing tour in the early 90's
Rolling Stones the highest grossing in mid and late 90's.

The numbers have already been posted.

>>127138310
can you not read. The numbers are there
see >>127114504

U2 had the highest grossing tour in the early 90's
Rolling Stones the highest grossing in mid and late 90's.

The numbers have already been posted.

>>127124460
Oasis mogged all that shit yank music you just listed. 250,000 in one weekend for Knebworth

>>127110289 (OP)
100 million illegals coming into this country, undercutting wages while increasing demand

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