This board is near exclusively manchildren pretending pop and rock music is art, and is diametrically opposed to any genuine form of artistic expression in music, most of it relegated to a single general and some random threads here and there. /lit/ manages to actually talk in depth about historical works of literature and doesn't start talking about Fifty Shades Of Gray, Twilight and Game of Thrones (You might call this comparison ridiculous, but this board seriously discusses Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter and literal boybands, and I am not even referring to the beatles when I say that). The people that are into non-art music need to be contained somewhere, as the two do not mix. My proposal is a two board solution

>/mu/ - Popular music
This board is for the discussion of essentially everything that is album-oriented (i.e music written for the express purpose of being sold on an album)
>/artmu/ - Art music
Intended for discussion of serious music both from the western classical tradition, but also serious forms of Jazz, traditional music of various cultures, etc

Mods don't actually do anything, I know. But I think it's still worthy to discuss the importance of having a genuine place to discuss certain types of music

because I don't give a fuck

>>127129640
And other people do

Try actually describing what you liked or disliked about the last album you listened to, and you will immediately understand why most of /mu/ is just white noise.

>>127129628 (OP)
I've seen the same discussion take place on /tv/ almost a decade ago
they wanted to make /film/ happen and get away from the average low-brow shitposting and blockbuster discourse
of course it went absolutely nowhere
4chan wouldn't spend extra resources creating a slow board that could be a general
all the small niche boards have been made long ago

>>127129628 (OP)
This whole board is just straight nonsense-when are we getting serious?

>>127129644
>white noise
emphasis on white

So called 'Art Music' is just a dog whistle for white (German) non Jewish music

>>127129628 (OP)
Why don't you start an interesting music thread instead of metaposting about it then?

>>127129730
Vast majority of acclaimed classical performers and conductors are Jewish.

any number of the smaller focused music subreddits will be unironically be better for discussion than this place
https://old.reddit.com/r/Music/wiki/musicsubreddits

>>127129730
>REEEE I HAVE JDS
jesus christ give it a rest

>>127129753
That's irrelevant. The guys who actually write the music (the important bit) are German

>>127129760
based, though the /pol/ tourist MAGA trash will lose their damn minds because "leddit"

you're absolutely correct though. This simply isn't the place to have a serious discussion of music. It's like the -chicanery subreddits. Unserious and often hilarious, but that's about it.

>>127129780
Edit: WOw 317 upvotes for this?! Thanks Guys and Girls(and everything inbetween!)

>>127129628 (OP)
> /lit/ manages to actually talk in depth about historical works of literature and doesn't start talking about Fifty Shades Of Gray, Twilight and Game of Thrones
Kek. Especially to that GoT.
And there are "serious" generals on here.
>/classical/
>/jazz/
>/patrician/
You should resurrect the patriciancore general. Here is the pic that OP usually used.
>>127129644
>the last album you listened to
That's a stretch. OP is clearly fresh from r*ddit.

>>127129799
i can feel your seethe through the screen

>>127129780
>the /pol/ tourist MAGA trash will lose their damn minds because "leddit"
>>127129799

I defy anyone to show me a serious thread in /mu/

>>127129837
Morton Feldman was all I needed to know about this image

>>127129863
(((Goldblum)))

>>127129865
>>127129878
Give it a rest, polcel

>>127129887
Honestly, this.
You are not a real pseud unless you vigorously sucked off the Marvelous Yehudim Schlong at least once in your lifetime.

>>127129643
they're worthless. only I matter.

>>127129964
why are you talking about sucking off schlongs all of a sudden?

>>127129878
>>127129964
>>127130071
dude has massive JDS and is incapable of discussing anything without bringing up the jooz. Likely has a secret fetish for joocock.

>>127129628 (OP)
just start a regular /artmu/ thread on this board, it's not that difficult. Good luck getting a serious conversation going, but it wouldn't be any easier if you had a whole separate board called /artmu/

>>127129628 (OP)
I think there are two problems:
1. Music is highly subjective. It's not uncommon that I recognize the artistic value of some music, but fuck I don't like it.
2. It's extremely difficult to create music that can be multi-layered. The best TV shows had poop'n'shit jokes for low-IQ audiences and at the same time deeper discussions for more sophisticated audiences, and we all had fun together, and we could migrate between audience groups. With music, it's really difficult to create a song that captures this idea.

>>127130071
Ah don't look at me.
That was OP. He was the first one to mention the deep discussions of /lit/.

>>127130901
>It ate the pic
Fuck this shitty website.

bs chart with many exceptions across the centuries and civilizations
into the trash it goes etc.

didn't even read your speak diarrhea OP, learn to musiqué

>>127130174
>Music is highly subjective. It's not uncommon that I recognize the artistic value of some music, but fuck I don't like it.
What you described isn't music being subjective; it's taste. And no, that's not the same thing. The fact that you can recognize artistic value despite disliking it proves that music has objective qualities.

>>127132118
>with many exceptions across the centuries and civilizations
Like what, exactly? The image clearly acknowledges overlaps, which already account for much of the historical or cultural ambiguity. You could maybe argue that spiritual/religious/ritual music deserves its own category, but beyond that, the three types presented here are based on actual scholarly work and are broad, functional, and descriptive enough to cover the overwhelming majority of music throughout history.

>>127129640
>>127129644
>>127129730
>>127129837
Pop garbage is not music
>>127130174
Music is not as subjective as you'd like to think.
>>127132118
Brainlet
>>127129753
This is false.

>>127129628 (OP)
Correct.

I hate normalfaggots so much it's unreal
Fuck popular music

there's already /classical/ and it's boring, it's just endless grading of recordings like the consumers they are

>>127129628 (OP)
popular music and rock are more natural and older than your pseud shit

>>127135331
please jump off a building tard cunt

>>127135346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Q_8q3XXrQ
>just 2 chords
>mogs all of your pseud shit

>>127132752
Where is the avantgarde? And the musique concrète? And field recordings?
We are here listening to Chernobyl, to kids having panic attacks, to women choking on their own tears and you are thinking about Wikipedia definitions for what is "art music"? And what do you come up with? Classical? Some freemason got forced into your skull as some kind of figure you gotta look up to and you keep glazing him. Why? You think that makes you smart? Only thing you can do is to have normalfaggots live rent free in your head. The entirety of your identity is dictated by them: your teachers are those who told you that poor blackman music is smart. They told you the landowners were listening while getting drunk is smart. You look at the Billboard 100 and decide that this is your archnemesis, that this is not what art is. That is your dichotomy. Nothing beyond it.
Allow it bruv.
You have not reached art yet. You are still stuck at the superficial understanding of music.

>>127135365
slop to the max rofl

>>127129640
Based

>>127135854
Funny that you pretend that classical music got forced upon anyone's skull when you enjoy avantgarde, a literal CIA psy op created as propaganda for the US. Avantgarde is not art and never will be, none of your listed postmodern nonsense is art. You claim that the guy you're replying to has a superficial understanding of music but you are the one who thinks that non-musical slop is music because some academic jew told you it was. This post reeks of projection. Pathetic display, really

>>127135854
>Namefag

True art music (post-modern, minimalism, etc.) is actually classical mixed with pop. You pseuds are too stubborn to see that.

>>127129628 (OP)
Where in this trichotomy do niche electronic/EDM genres (like brostep subgenres or breakcore) sit?
They're not "art music" because their only value is the sick wubs bro and schizo drums.
They're not pop because they're made for small internet niches.
They're certainly not folk either.
I think we need a fourth category for "skill music" that exists purely to showcase technical achievement or virtuosity, without necessarily being "art music" (even though it can obviously overlap and create combinations with the other three)

>>127129760
Reddit sucks, the best places are or was forums

>>127129628 (OP)
>classicalfags should be deported to another board
actually a great idea, obviously won't happen but still