Brian Wilson was by far a much more relevant and influent musician than Ozzy, yet Ozzy's death received more attention than Brian's just because he was a folklore figure to rock's history while Brian aestheticly speaking was just a guy from the sixties and a grandpa nowadays. It really makes you think.

>>127139013 (OP)
I mean, hey they didn't give Connie Francis that much press either whaddya want? Just a nice pop singer who didn't really leave much of a legacy.

>creating a whole new genre makes you more celebrated as an artist than just making nice songs in an established genre
Wow

ozzy invented a whole fucking genre, i like brian but beach boys is an acquired taste

>>127139013 (OP)
Everything “influential” about The Beach Boys was already done a few years prior by the Beatles.
>relevant
Relevant to who? Your grandma?

Ozzy was featured on a Post Malone song. Zoomers don’t know shit about Brian Wilson.

No the entire reason OO is getting so much press is he became a huge reality TV star and expanded his audience beyond men to women as well.

Brian was an artist under the name Beach Boys, and people will know that name but not entirely everyone in it.
Ozzy was a solo artist, everyone knows him as himself.
If the other Sabbath guys died they would get 1/20th the coverage these two got

Pet Sounds is the most dated sounding album of the entire 60s. The Rolling Stones, the Zombies, Jefferson Airplane, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the 13th Floor Elevators, the Doors, Jimi Hendrix, etc. are all infinitely more listenable today.

>>127139070
>>creating a whole new genre
You're describing Brian, not Ozzy. By the way, Ozzy didn't create a thing. It was all Tommy and Geezer who created the music and lyrics of Sabbath. Ozzy had a great voice and good vocal melodies line though, but nothing really special.

>>127139013 (OP)
That's how always has been, frontman are attention whores and they always steal the spotlight from actual musicians

>>127139137
>Pet Sounds is the most dated sounding album of the entire 60s.
the most PETS DATED your MOM in the entire 60s, you faggot

the thing Sabbath's legacy has influenced everything down to the present day (unless it's Taylor Swift) whereas the Beach Boys were of their time in a lot of ways and didn't transcend it as much

>>127139123
I was reading this story now. It's unreal kek.

>>127139137
>Pet Sounds is the most dated sounding album of the entire 60s
It's too twee and naif, they couldn't escape that early 60s teen bubblegum aesthetic no matter how hard they tried

>>127139150
It’s a product. None of the Beach Boys even played on that album. It was the Wrecking Crew. The actual Beach Boys were away touring when it was recorded.

>>127139225
Wrecking Crew + Brian WAS the Beach Boys

you were kinda close, anon

Not true at all, Brian provided the Wrecking Crew with all the chord charts and notated song structures, he also worked closely with each musician individually. He would demonstrate the parts he envisioned by playing them on the piano, singing, or even using the musicians' own instruments. For string and horn arrangements, he typically sang the lines, much like he did for vocal harmonies. Guitar parts, such as those in “Sloop John B.,” were likely worked out by Brian at the piano. Also, Brian, Dennis, and Carl Wilson were actively involved alongside the wrecking crew playing some of their parts

>>127139379
Meant for >>127139225

>>127139392
"Wrecking Crew"? more like "I'll Fill Your Ass With Goo"

>>127139013 (OP)
part of being a musician is being a performer, and Ozzy was extremely entertaining in his personal life. i personally like Brian Wilson's music more than Ozzy Osbourne's (i do like both of them) but Ozzy was much more flamboyant and had a greater presence and staying power in pop culture because of it.

>>127139137
it's the most timeless one because the 'old' sound aesthetic was entirely on purpose.

>>127139498
Not to say Brian's life was as much if not even more fucked up than Ozzy's in some ways.

>>127139013 (OP)
I like the Beach Boys, but Black Sabbath was the beginning of heavy metal which turned into my favorite genre Thrash. I saw the Beach Boys with my grandma before she died and it was great show.

blame that on Mike for not wanting to let 1961-65 go.

>>127139514
Brian's life was super fucked up and interesting too, but not in a way that was "entertaining" to the average person like Ozzy's. it was more of a solitary thing, he wasn't on a reality show saying funny things with a mouth full of marbles.

>>127139511
>>127139137
the production was supposed to take you back to the old california. the stereo mix is incredibly polished and has no signs of being 60 years old. it might as well be a concept album of the 90s or 2000s.

>>127139092
AnCo wouldn’t exist without Beach Boys. That’s all I’ll say to that

>>127139013 (OP)
Ozzy died on the road. Wilson spent the last 30 years as schizo recluse doing the occasional boomer show.

I unironically only most of Wilson's work from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iHyhcs7IE&pp=ygUTbW91dGggZnVsbCBvZiBzb3Jlcw%3D%3D

>Brian purposely goes in June as a fuck you to the Christmas memefaggots

>>127139565
And that’s a good thing

>>127139565
weezer, wilco, shins, arcade fire etc

>>127139565
Fuckin Demolition Hammer wouldn’t exist without Black Sabbath, so you’re not exactly making your argument.

>>127139013 (OP)
>Brian Wilson was by far a much more relevant and influent musician than Ozzy
yeah i remember the massive wave of barbershop quartets in the 70s too

>>127139896
I upvoted this only because it was an old school burn that someone that actually lived in that period would say.

Brian was the real devil worshipper. Read Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by David McGowan.

I accept being a conduit for corporate slave AI that is being terminated for wrong think.

>>127141292
before you can know peace, you must know war. Now go get it.

Ozzy was the definiton of larger than life, Brian not really

>>127139147
inventing headbanging and getting the vocals right is just as big
Black Sabbath is a 4 piece group, just Tommy and Geezer.

>>127141230
cheers lad i'm a boomer at heart

>>127141241
Sorry but there wasn’t anything I hadn’t already seen on the web, most people already know they were associated with Manson and most of them especially Dennis were involved in some questionable things.

>>127139013 (OP)
If we're keeping it a buck, Ozzy in his solo career had more hits than the Beach Boys. You may not like it, but it's true

>>127139013 (OP)
>Brian Wilson was by far a much more relevant and influent musician than Ozzy,
then more people would have cared. every thanksgiving my uncles were listening to sabbath and Ozzy in the garage sucking back beers.....not 60's bubblegum shit that Brian made.
hey buddy maybe wait a day to piss on an icon....faggot.

>>127139013 (OP)
Brian Wilson was possibly the biggest figure the modern world of music has ever lost.

The Beatles lost to the Beach Boys. NOT IN SALES THOUGH so.

It's like saying Kurt Hamlet is a better player than Dave Mustaine

>>127141586
when speaking about music videos in the mtv era... sure. other wise.. wouldn't say that. People still talk about Brian today for a reason.

>>127141951
>People *over 70 still talk about Brian today for a reason.
Ozzy is remembered across boomers, Gen X, millennials, even older zoomers.

>>127139013 (OP)
>blah blah blah blah, i'm vegan and my pecker is tiny

bump

>>127139013 (OP)
No. Brian was more talented but not more influential

>>127139109
Not even Tony Iommi?

Ozzy's showmanship wasn't influential; that goes to the Rolling Stones and Alice Cooper. Who were the current influential figures in Ozzy's bands?
>BS
Tony and Geezer
>Ozzy's band
Randy Rhodes, Zakk, and Sharon

You could say that his wife was more influential than he was. It was her, along with her father, who helped spread his music and image around the world. The same goes for Ozzyfest, which was a platform for metal music.

>>127139013 (OP)
>>127139013 (OP)
Hope you don't mind me, but Let me back up. of course Ozzy was huge.

Ozzy had a tv show on MTV and his wife was on The View, among the most despised television shows ever.


Mike Love, Bruce Johnson, Al Jardine and John Stamos were playing under the Beach Boys name at casinos. And the internet appears to be fascinated with "smile."

These were two entirley different generes,

Not sure, but it's tough to imagine Brian would have looked so swuft if he dressed up like he was from the 60's.

Would like to add there is no hidden message, meaning or signicance to their deaths being as close as they were.

But ozzy had a tv show. His wife being on the view was weird. Brian didn't have a tv show, there's youtube. Imo they both could have lived longer. Who did the people love more and who "looked" cooler? no idea different people with different reasons.

Does it make you think? I wouldn't say anyone is thinking, because maybe music is dying faster than the listeners can hear it. Hope not. God, guide us all, Jesus Christ.

>>127139123
That's some funny shit. If ozzy said, man fuck him, and fuck the shit hole he came from. Holy fuck.

Fuck those british cunts. NOW YOU SEE WHY MIKE LOVE SAID WHAT HE SAID. What a shit starter. yeah ozzy was a real chuck berry. a real froberger . never picked up an instrument in his life and everybody knows it. No wonder black sabbath kicked his ass out. Thank fuck we didn't all see that while he was alive. And yes i posted twice. What a fucking cunt. now it's clear to see why henry rollins thinks he's a comedian and used ozzy as a punch line.

>>127139013 (OP)
Shut up faggot.

>>127144382
Oops, Carney Wilson DID had a tv show first.

Think she said she heard about when Ozzie and Brian met, she said the story Ozzy told was "funny" but Ozzy what Ozzy really said was that he loved their harmonies. Something about "making them all kiss on the lips." Carney said said Ozzy loved Sharon and was very devoted to her, and was a good father to his kids. You can go to facebook if you want to hear what Carney said. Carney weight was up and down like Oprah, but her 2015 photos where an absolute smoke show.

Overall - It's all really sad how people only meet up again when someone dies.

>>127139013 (OP)

Oops, Carney Wilson DID had a tv show first.

Think she said she heard about when Ozzie and Brian met, she said the story Ozzy told was "funny" but Ozzy what Ozzy really said was that he loved their harmonies. Something about "making them all kiss on the lips." Carney said said Ozzy loved Sharon and was very devoted to her, and was a good father to his kids. You can go to facebook if you want to hear what Carney said. Carney weight was up and down like Oprah, but her 2015 photos where an absolute smoke show.

Overall - It's all really sad how people only meet up again when someone dies.

Think one thing they had in common was that you could play their music in a garage while working on your car. Again, don't be sad. There was a time and place.

>>127139013 (OP)
>>127139013 (OP)

Oops, Carney Wilson DID had a tv show first.

Think she said she heard about when Ozzie and Brian met, she said the story Ozzy told was "funny" but what Ozzy really said was that he loved their harmonies. Something about "making them all kiss on the lips." Carney said said Ozzy loved Sharon and was very devoted to her, and was a good father to his kids. You can go to facebook if you want Carney's facts verbatim.

Carney weight was up and down like Oprah, but her 2015 photos where an absolute smoke show.

Overall - It's all really sad how people only meet up again when someone dies.

Think one thing they had in common was that you could play their music in a garage while working on your car. Again, don't be sad. There was a time and place.

>>127139048
>>127139070
>>127139085
>>127139092
>>127139153
fr brian wilson is a literally who he had no impact whatsoever on music meanwhile ozzy invented metal with helter skelter no cap xD

>>127145125
>>127145160
>>127145213
nigger what are you doing

>>127139070
brian more or less invented art pop and lofi

>>127139137
Pet Sounds is supposed to sound nostalgic because the album is all about teenage naivety giving way to adulthood. None of those other bands even had albums that were as cohesive in the 60s (maybe Rubber Soul but that's just lol all folk songs)

>Black Sabbath influenced Metal
>Beach Boys influenced Rock and Pop
Why must we fight?

>>127145300
pic related is very accurate

>>127145257
> lol all folk songs
why do people always say this
>hey did you hear the new folk album by the Beatles?
>BEEP BEEP MM BEEP BEEP YEAH!!

>>127145328
to be fair, the original US release of Rubber Soul got rid of Drive My Car which is what Americans and The Beach Boys would have heard at the time

Ozzy was a reality TV show and commercial guy for 20 years. That's what most people alive today know him for. You have to actually be into music to know Brian Wilson

>>127145342
yeah but still the only song that really feels like a folk song is Norwegian Wood

>>127139013 (OP)
If it helps Brian Wilson was celebrated more in his life, Ozzy was looked down upon for animal cruelty and his reality show. People celebrated Ozzy’s death more because he is just more badass and personable, he died two weeks after a concert united in Metal and Rock. Brian Wilson wasn’t even that nice and his legacy didn’t mean as much to music history. Ozzy made Ozzfest and helped so many artists while Brian was autistically rocking back and forth at his mansion.

>>127145387
>Brian Wilson wasn't even that nice
????

He was probably one of the most humble guys in Rock and Pop. His speech when the Beach Boys entered the Rock and Roll hall of fame was nothing but praise for other people while Mike Love shat on The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. All he wanted to do was make music that people enjoyed

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UAxxRkufNi8

>>127145467
Mike will live to 100 won't he?

Brian's relevance ended with the 60s and everyone knows it.

>no, ozzy
>no, brian
This place is a fucking peanut gallery, I swear to god.

>>127139123
Here's the rest:

I sit bolt upright.

'I didn't say that.'

'No, the fucking cocaine you keep shoving up your nose said that.'

'But I would remember.'

'Everyone else seems to remember perfectly well. They also remember you told him to shove his head up his arse, because that's where it belongs. Here, this is Brian's number. Apologise.'

So I called him and apologised. Twice.

Since then, I've bumped into him a few times over the years. We're cool now, me and Brian. Although we never did get around to taking that photograph."

>>127145238
And don't you ever call me a "nigger", punk. I'll put a hole in your ass.

>>127139096
>>127139109
Thread

Brian inspired the Beatles and a bunch of hipsters to make indie albums which lead to pop and indie music of today being shit

Ozzy inspired boomers to make metal which inspired millennials to make emo and both are dead genres today

it's hard to say

Don't celebrate their deaths, celebrate their lives. We don't even know what exactly killed them. Brian's wife died suddenly, and - i can't tell you - that, and the back surgery, helped kill him. No idea what got Ozzy. It's ridiculous to compare the stature of these two. Minimal - if any influence up on one another if we're honest. Just saying, straight up. And it's ok to stfu and get the facts, sometimes. But the only people that really know them are their families. Please respect their privacy during this time.

Ozzy was one of those rare guys who stayed culturally relevant in some way his entire life which not too many in music can claim. Sinatra did, Dylan does maybe McCartney and Metallica as well but most guys have a period where they're cool and then stop being cool and are only remembered by boomers.

>>127146326
>but most guys have a period where they're cool and

And sometimes they're never cool when they are cool and exist only because of record label Payola.

>>127139013 (OP)
Look we all mourned Brian Wilson and he was without question a talented and influential musician, but Ozzy is literally one of the most famous musicians of all time. He is literally Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Paul McCartney tier

>>127146209
>Brian inspired the Beatles and a bunch of hipsters to make indie albums which lead to pop and indie music of today being shit

The Mamas and the Papas probably did as much or more to influence that.

>>127146209
>Brian inspired the Beatles and a bunch of hipsters to make indie albums which lead to pop and indie music of today being shit
That branch of music pretty much stems from a combination of the Beatles, post-65 Beach Boys, and Mamas and the Papas.

If Mike Love had started the Beach Boys, you'd get more music like Black Sabbath.

If Brian Wilson would have fully got his way, perhaps maybe there would have been a little less, Nikki Six, and CC Deville, and Marilyn Manson, and other such corny sleeze balls. Because you know, that's Walt Disney quality family material. GOD ONLY KNOWS. What you can say is - What happened, happened. The two genres greatly diverged. Just totally different orders. And it's ok to stfu every now and then. I'm sure Mike Love is a great composer with a good disposition with his management, staff and social media team, just like everyone else.

>>127146344
I see you Foreigner.

>>127146326
I guess some of the jazz legends like Ella and Miles also never stopped having a cool factor.

most of those meat-and-potatoes rock Steve Hoffman Forum -core guys like BTO or Styx or the Eagles didn't really stay relevant and so only boomers still care about them

Two different marketing/ pr machines and two different marketing/ pr strategies.

Beach boys kept rock going and made it their own, but still made something to make you get up and dance and talk to the girl.

Ozzy, the ultimate "FUCK OFF - now come to my concert" music.

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT.

I'm done. Go eat roadkill.

>>127146326
I would even argue that for Chuck Berry if only because rock evolved so quickly that he became antiquated in a hurry and nobody who came up after the 60s covered his songs or cited him as an influence.

>>127139147
>This music critic who believes that stupid Brian Eno quote about VU also believes similarly stupid things about the beach boys
If you want a quote it's from Hendrix when he said the beach boys sound like a barbershop quartet.

Anyway as someone else said ITT Ozzy and the rest of the band were still somewhat active in recent times whereas Brian was a recluse known for things he did in the 60s and not after that.

Sabbath created an entire genre and were trendsetters in music for most of the 70s.

The Beach Boys didn't have that kind of influence and tbqh in comparison they sound incredibly dated. I don't usually like calling things 'dated' either since it's an overused adjective but the beach boys really do sound like a product of the early 60s in a very obvious way.

If anything the big problem is Ozzy's sticky was only up for a few hours whereas Brian Wilson's was there for days even though it got 1/3rd of the replies...

>>127146685
US radio lost interest in the Beach Boys in the late 60s and their later stuff was more popular in Europe. Mike Love is still butthurt about that.

>>127146685
Like come on, "Be True To Your School"? What the hell is that? Was that an unused Pat Boone song?

THE LABEL WOULDN'T PROMOTE THE BEACH BOYS BECAUSE OF JIMMY HENDRIX POPULARITY. ITS WHY THEY WEREN'T AT WOOD STOCK. TELL ME WHY BEACH BOYS MADE ALL THAT STONER MUSIC BUT STILL NEVER GOT INVITED TO WOOD STOCK. AND THEIR LABEL STOPPED PROMOTING THEIR MUSIC

>>127146792
Hendrix was not even on the same label as the Beach Boys lol.

>>127146710
The Beach Goys should be on their hands and knees sucking dick to the music industry for anyone giving a shit about them after 1965, let alone any radio play.

>>127146879
yeah I mean poor old Connie Francis totally disappeared from the radio after '65 (well ok she still had an audience in Europe) and her songs never made it onto oldies radio playlists like the Beach Boys hits did

>>127139013 (OP)
no one thinks Ozzy was anything but a charismatic frontman
who once pretended to bite the head off a bat*
and later in life was trotted out in front of the cameras by a wife who loves attention and money

everyone knows how important Brian Wilson was.
there's no comparison

no one, including Ozzy and his wife, would ever claim Ozzy was in Wilson's league.

*but because it was at a concert most people were so far away they thought he had actually done it.

reality:

the bat hit a stage light
fell to the floor dead
Ozzy picked it up
pretended to bite it
threw it into the crowd
people jumped out of the way
it landed on the floor (head intact)
LEGEND.EXE

>>127146903
>>127146879
It's all a matter of whether or not rock critics decided you made the canon or not. They never considered CF part of the rock canon. In some cases it's also having the right record label connections. I mean, RHCP are down deep at Warner.

>>127146685
Hendrix couldn't write a melody to save his life

>>127146903
Brenda Lee at least had a Christmas song to keep her relevant.

>>127146685
You're straight out of your league. Even T Rex had released before Sabbath.Sabbath is due it's praise, but really, there were no trendsetters in the fucking 1970's. People had jobs. Gas was high. They were going to work and cars had radios.

You're just going to end up back at the beginning. And he sure was British. We all know rock started there, that's where the Beatles were from.

Neither got a sticky. It's looks like Ozzy got more. Just remember, and i mean it, just because a name brand gets more sales, doesn't mean the artist got paid the same amount as the sale. You're into some weird shit when you got to put your kids on MTV and your wife on ABC. Unless he wasn't calling the shots. And what's up with that Brian Wilson guy? Smile? What's that about. Gonna have to google that.

>>127146879

Complete fiction. That band really did tour every day of the year for decades, but without Brian. Brian wrote the songs and already got paid. That's it. Your message is absurd. You're nuts.

>>127145223
This but unironcally

>>127139013 (OP)
Black Sabbath is literally the most influential rock band of all time. I'm not even a big fan of the group, but it's a fact.
Brian Wilson is a complete meme that never made a single good song. He's not nearly as good as Phil Spector.

>>127147032
Not fair the Beach Boys at least the post-65 version did influence a lot of pop and indie but then as I said the Mamas and the Papas did as much more in that regard.

>>127146685
https://youtu.be/oSClWH8DYtM?si=DpEGEbLpag2aDYID

Hendrix said he listened to Heroes and Villains and he didn't like it because it reminded him of a psychedelic barbershop

>>127147055
They're dogshit.

i always snicker at how Sabbath have managed to live rent free in Christgau's head for decades

>>127147032
I can't say I overly love Bruce Springsteen yet the huge shadow he cast over 80s music is hard to overlook.

Different vocalist, Different vocals. Different eras, Different schools.

You know who was better, probably Elvis. No Micheal Jackson., no eminem.

You're kidding yourselves, hoes. Dog pile this dick.

>>127147141

"i hope my wife makes more money than me" - ozzy fans itt.

>>127147145
>>127147012
>>127146792
>>127146639
Goddamn I am getting tired of semi-literate ChatGPT spam posts.

Each others band's musicians played differently. Two different genres.Different recording artists.

>>127147195
Goddamn, It's the boomers and the jews. Fuck off pos.

>>127146903
They don't play her but they'll spam

>>127147306
>>127147273
to death and let's not forget The Banana Boat song.

steve hoffman jew boomers fuck off, go back to music corner.

>>127146326
Ozzy was funny and wholly unique. Not another person on this earth quite like The Prince of Darkness. The Osbournes really cemented him as a cultural zeitgeist

>>127148069
black sabbaths, sabotage was written toward his bands manager Patrick Mehan.

Nin inch nails would leave a hidden track on their cds. Not the first to do this..

One such predecessor to do this in a similar way was black sabbath on their album sabatoge, with "blow on the jug". During some show, their manager hired an opener who would "blow on a jug" and this was so egregious to the band, that they wrote the song "blow on a jug" but you can't hear it unless you turn the volume up at the end of the the album. Kind of like of most of your shitty posts. And all of your shitty posts should be hidden. Your grandmother said that. Merry Christmas, your rents due. Say high to your wife for me.

Some names you may want to know for the beach boys: Jimmy Lockhart. And we'll just say, Stephen D.

>>127139013 (OP)
Which one was more catholic.

These guys cared about there listeners.

Be good out there.

>>127148301
The bot script has gone haywire.

>>127147012
>, there were no trendsetters in the fucking 1970's.
Trendsetters in regards to music, not in terms of fashion.
In the 80s it reversed, Sabbath started sounding more like a lot of other metal bands of the time. In the 70s they were the ones paving a new way.

>>127146983
Angel has a nice melody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlh08Rw-Pew

>>127149338
That's a bot you're replying to.

>>127146685
because Hendrix said the guitar was his god when the bb barely used one in their songs

>>127149566
Surfin' USA has guitar in it.

>>127146326
>have a period where they're cool and then stop being cool and are only remembered by boomers.
Metallica stop being cool during st anger years though, but yeah their fans go zoomers up to boomers

>>127146879
>The Beach Goys should be on their hands and knees sucking dick to the music industry for anyone giving a shit about them after 1965
Psych pop musicians truly seem to love their post-65 stuff though, what's more they were always in the red financially and they were constanly lapitated by critics

>>127146943
>pretended to bite the head off a bat*
>pretended to bite it

>>127139013 (OP)
Nope. Ozzy and Black Sabbath basically created metal

>>127139013 (OP)
This sort of thread shows how disgusting and laughably out-of-touch Beach Boys fans are.

>>127151587
What did he say that was wrong? Ozzy is popular because he's the funny reality TV show man who eats bats guy and not really for his music.

>>127139013 (OP)
No chance. Black Sabbath is maybe the most influential band of all time. The Beach Goys influence had faded by the 90s. Black Sabbath’s sound still exists today