>all born and raised in poverty stricken Birmingham of the 60s/70s
>humble beginnings
>just want to make some music together
>change the entire industry and become one of the biggest bands of all time
How did they fucking do it?

its born from genuine emotion, despair hopelessness, shitty lives.

>>127144493 (OP)
Dont forget that they all managed to do this while high and drunk out of their minds 95% of the time

>>127144555
>checked
and in Iommi's case, missing the tips of 2 of his fret-hand fingers

>>127144493 (OP)
real art is made by poor and/or crazy people

>>127144493 (OP)
>What is this that stands before me?
>Figure in black which points at me
>Turn around quick, and start to run
>Find out I'm the chosen one
>OH NOOOOOOOO!!!!

>>127144493 (OP)
Only poverty can make something like Black Sabbath (the song) if you think about it

>>127144592
Imagine losing the tips of your fingers on your last day at the mill.

Related but I saw Sabbath a decade ago and it was Tony’s birthday, Ozzy led the arena in singing Happy Birthday to Tony, it was awesome

>>127144493 (OP)
they were all posh middle class cunts

>>127144493 (OP)

because it has always been part of working class British culture to make music with your mates in some form or other...until recently.

>>127144493 (OP)
>How did they fucking do it?
Stealing Black people's music

>>127144659
Birmingham is an industrial town (especially then). Not posh.
Second, middle class wouldn't be posh in the first place. That's an oxymoron.

>>127144673
I'm all ears. Point me to black proto-Sabbath.

>>127144695
Something bluesy I guess

>>127144659

how many posh people do you know who lost a finger in an industrial accident?

nobody had done it before
money is ultimately worthless it depends on the persons hands its in

>>127144695
Hendrix did it all earlier and better

>>127144812
What? Post a song thats even close to the Sabbath sound. I can't believe anyone is trying to take away from Sabbath. They are full blown legends.

>>127144714
pretty common accident among trustfund microbrewers and city bike mechanics

>>127144837
Foxey Lady

>>127144910
I don't see the relation other than general scales.
And I like them both.
Is this that thing spergs do when they just want to be contrarian for the sake of it?

>>127144934
What do you think BS innovated?

>>127144493 (OP)
>all born and raised in poverty stricken Birmingham
middle class
>>127144555
>Dont forget that they all managed to do this while high and drunk out of their minds 95% of the time
shows how easy it is to make metal. doesnt take any real talent just luck

>>127144955
Metal. They invented it. Other bands wrote heavy riffs before them, but they weren't metal. Black Sabbath is the first metal band. I really don't understand how anyone can argue this unless you're just being contrarian retard.

>>127144993
Their metal is just dumbed down Hendrix, with the jazz influence removed and the rhythm section reduced to a stale plod.

>>127144493 (OP)
>black sabbath were middle class

Unless bait, this is the hands-down most retarded things I've ever seen claimed on this board.

>>127145028
>It's just Hendrix except completely different
jesus christ you're fucking stupid

>>127145041
They only thing they innovated was hammy theatrics and image.

>>127145028
>rhythm section is a stale plod
https://youtu.be/e8fxrX-YidM?si=boJt9mcJX_LFiEcR

>>127144493 (OP)
Because they took a big fucking risk and betted their entire careers on one eccentric black magic song which was a weird as fuck thing at the time, and somehow lots of people loved it and asked for more. If they had sticked with safe rock they would have never made it.

>>127145062
exception rather than the rule. listen to something like After Forever and the drums are painfully constrained to following the guitar melody

>>127145110
You do know that being a good rhythm section means more than doing flashy drum fills every 10 seconds right? I've seen a lot of shitty opinions about Sabbath on this board but saying that Geezer Butler and Bill Ward are stale and boring has to be the most retarded.

>>127145157
They're influential and they're good (effective) in the context of "metal music" but metal is necessarily a very stupid genre of music where you have to keep keep it simple or your sixth form drop out listeners will get confused.

>>127144980
There's a gazillion metal bands that make completely forgettable and terrible music while high out of their minds.

>>127145255
theres also a gazillion pop singers/bands since the 60s that have made classic stuff. the beatles were all high towards the end. just pointing out it really doesnt take much talent to write music or even sing. ozzy was high or drunk the majority of his life and his brain was fried because of it yet he continued on for decades performing just fine

>anyone ever trying to discredit Black Sabbath ever
They shouldn't even be allowed to post on this fucking board

>>127145431
Since you seem to autistic, let me clarify. Black Sabbath made timeless music that's actually good. That takes some kind of skill/talent or whatever you to call it. The act of writing music is something anyone with a few brain cells can do but making something actually good is a whole different game.

>>127145220
There's literally entire subgenres of metal dedicated to technical wankery.

>>127145476
what you mean is guitar solo wankery (which is also loved by stupid people). it's never about modal experimentation or polyrhythms (inb4 link to the rare exception).

>>127144673
it's 2025, nigger worship is passe

>>127145534
What? The stuff I'm talking about is usually centered around having a gazillion different riffs in odd time signatures and stuff like that. Obviously there are usually solos but "guitar solo wankery" is not at all what it is. As far as modal experimentation goes, one of the most notorious death metal albums of all time has no tonal center. There's also another pretty famous metal band notorious for their use of polyrhythms.

>>127144493 (OP)
how did they do it?
>industrial town
>low class society
>bleak future
>no money
>might as well give it a shot

>what if we take hard rock but make it spooky?
>nib = sunshine of your love but EVIL
>wizard = good times bad times but EVIL
>wicked world = wild child but EVIL
simple but brilliant

>invent Heavy Metal in their first two albums
>proceed to invent over half of all metal subgenres in the following decade
Genuinely how the fuck did they do it? They just had these massive jumps from Paranoid, to Master of Reality then to Vol. 4, to the SBS/Sabotage period, and further on after Ozzy left they still kept making great albums like Heaven & Hell, Born Again, Tyr, etc. with different singers always doing different styles. People often paint Sabbath as nothing but "the grandfathers of Heavy Metal" but that doesn't really do justice to how versatile a band they were.

>>127145028
>the rhythm section reduced to a stale plod.
Nice confession that you've never actually listened to any Black Sabbath.

>>127146125
Something long since forgotten by most musicians... SOVL

>>127144838
No it's not. You might be mentally challenged.

Let's be honest.

Bill Ward was a big part of their sound as much as the rest of the guys. If it wasn't for him they'd have been a completely different band.

>>127145463
>Black Sabbath made timeless music that's actually good.
to you. a couple high school kids bought some random instruments and banged on them, and you liked the sound. its not brain surgery. how long had they even been playing 3 or 4 years? it doesnt take much talent does it. i would say its more luck than talent or skill

>>127145431
>>127147175
>just pointing out it really doesnt take much talent to write music or even sing.
If you think it's that easy then write a song and let's hear it?
There's a million songs out there which are easy to play but they're not all as good as each other.

> it doesnt take much talent does it.
Go to any open mic night or a night with a few local bands playing in a bar and you'll see a lot of people playing largely mediocre songs. A 'Black Sabbath' doesn't come around very often. Aside from Ozzy you don't get a guitarist like Tony Iommi very often either.

Also Ozzy wasn't high for the majority of his life, they only started getting really into drugs around Vol 4 onwards and it gradually screwed up the band, Ozzy ended up getting fired because he was so fucked up.