>steel factory worker in his early 20s
>loses the tips of a fingers
>a huge handicap to a guitar player
>literally changes the way rock guitar would sound forever
I can't stomach losing Tony as well, bros...

>>127146328 (OP)
he's one of the most important rock guitarists of all time, and probably the greatest who's not considered a guitar virtuoso
love his solos too, so tasteful and well made

His soloing really improved over the years as well, compare you won't change me with something off the first four albums for example
Shame he abandoned the tempo changes and proginess for the most part with dio's arrival

>>127146526
Electric Funeral still fucking shreds

>>127146529
Planet Caravan has his best soloing on that album, very tasteful

>>127146328 (OP)
Man’s the sole reason I started learning guitar. Heard a fella playing War Pigs one day while I was with my dad as he was buying some new drum sticks. Asked the guy the song and he told me. Listened to the album that night and bought my first electric guitar the next day. Piece of shit epiphone les paul, but it did the job. Now I can play along with every Sabbath song from Black Sabbath to Technical Ecstasy and 13 and proud owner of a gibson sg. When Tony dies, I’ll need to take a couple days off work to mourn the man who had as much influence in my life as my parents

>>127146579
Dangerously based. He's literally influenced some of the best guitar players to ever live.

>>127146483
>probably the greatest who's not considered a guitar virtuoso
I'd argue that award goes to keith richards

>>127146636
Yeah, he doesn't even bother with lead playing 90% of the time.

>>127146594
Iommi and Clapton are going to hit me as hard as the deaths of my grandparents who had a huge hand in raising me

>>127146328 (OP)
>a huge handicap to a guitar player literally changes the way guitar would sound forever
It's been done

>>127146328 (OP)
Did you kids just fucking find about black sabbath with Ozzy dying

>>127146694
what a smug faggot acting like he's the only one who knows django

>>127146483
This.
I also think he had one of the best guitar tones of his entire life at the farewell gig a few weeks ago, maybe the mixing just did it more justice that time but in any case it was very good.

Iommi > hendrix

>>127146663
yeh, and he definitely can do a great lead performance, like when he's doing Chuck Berry songs or his sympathy for the devil solo

>>127146731
Kids maybe, but I’ve been listening the father of metal since you were in diapers faggot

>>127146883
Doubt

>>127146883
The point is this thread really has reddit/tiktok child energy. Right after Ozzy died of course
>did you know Tonys background?
>I sure didn't!
Everyone knows Tonys story and that hes one of the best riff guitarists of all time. Everyone knows he was the main creative work behind black sabbath. Except you apparently?

>>127147000
Why you being a fag when people are just appreciating an icon?

>>127147104
Yeah just following the trend

Why am I being a fag

>>127146873
By a fucking mile

>>127146328 (OP)
The best he can do is send us down that road. The rest is up to us. Carry on his legacy.

>>127146694
He didn't change anything, nor invent a whole new genre the way Iommi did.

>>127146328 (OP)
But we almost did 13 years ago.

>>127148490
qrd

>>127148477
You’re right. He was far more influential than Iommi.

>>127146694
>>127148477
>>127148572
Iommi was a huge Django fan

>>127148477
He invented gypsy jazz, but it's apples and oranges to compare the two. Django rocked in a different way and inspired Tony after his accident

>>127149042
That's right; silly me; all that gypsy jazz that literally no one has listened to for the last 70-80 years. As you say, apples and oranges.

>>127148518
In 2012, he had Lymphoma, but, thankfully, it went into remission.

>>127146328 (OP)
A lot of people ignore anything post-Ozzy, but they're missing out because there's some gorgeous melodic solos there.

https://youtu.be/3Wdk2VjFJx8?si=LhPmScNWyIg-wwy6&t=137

>>127150232
>he didn't invent a whole new genre
>well actually he did, but it's not dubstep so a retard like me didn't know about it before I blurted out that first part

>>127150560
Make cope all you want. Gypsy jazz is an academic curiosity. Metal is around even to this day. That said, again, Django did not invent a new genre in the way Iommi did.

>>127146731
I was wondering the same, I think Ozzy's death stirred emotions in us, our memories....that is rock'n'roll.

>>127148477
People here really love to fill their mouths with their own ignorance. Why pretend that you know what you are talkingabout

>>127150630
>>127150232
>well my genre is more popular than yours!
Metalfans are the very definition of manchild

>>127150553
The Martin era had some gems. Iommi was straight up majestic at that point, showing he could play more than just "doom"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6YMIbbV2A

>>127146328 (OP)
>there are people that call Iommi the godfather of metal
Never understood being hellbent on that, he's one of the key parts in metal, when it was good, but he's not the core of it and always more on the reactionary side of it chasing the traits that defined metal.

All what Iommi had before metal was the sound of the SG that metal forgot it was very good for it for some reason + luck giving him a slight edge for the guitar tone (the accident) that allowed to continued development of his musical identity with gloomy/darkish sounds. But badass riffs though on this motherfucker, all the time

I wonder if Iommi ever used his finger thimbles to fingerbang a broad

>>127146873
Blackmore >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

>>127148477
Neither Iommi tbqh, Ritchie Blackmore was dropping A+ heavy metal virtuoso tunes while Iommi was looking for a lead singer. I think this could qualify as a hot take.

>>127152029
Blackmore a real ass nigga too

>>127152055
>be ritchie blackmore
>you're one of a kind prodigy of the instrument
>as if that alone wasn't overkill enough you also go full on hard work at it
>proceed to be in your A game for not a short a period but YEARS
>YEARS
>on different bands
>As if that wasn't overkill enough
>do it on different GENRES going from 60s rock to more pop related music with Rainbow second era
>Accidentally create the best riffs of all time, that uses just a single string and 2 frets, pretty much
>also while being a perfectionist
>As if all of this wasn't overkill enough have ALWAYS a clear direction and knowing exactly what you want to make happen
>Make it happen
>Surround yourself of great talent while being a great talent yourself unlike shitters like leeches artists
>Accidentally give birth to heavy metal just because you were so good at rock and roll
>accidentally give Heavy Metal its virtuosity and elaborate solos it will be known for
>Since universe demanded some balance for all the GOAT you are, you're also a colossal asshole to people and borderline sociopath if music didn't have you commited to it
>beat motherfuckers, bully your lead singer, fire your bandmates at will like disposable pawns, lit a bed in fire.... with the motherfucker sleeping on it as a prank
>Since you have -100 social skill points you're best praising is " he was a great player" kind
>people doesn't understand how much is needed for you to usher such words towards other musicians/former bandmates
>they all hate you or are condescending to you for all the years being hard to work with/for
Blackmore is really something else

>>127152180
>Since universe demanded some balance for all the GOAT you are, you're also a colossal asshole to people and borderline sociopath if music didn't have you commited to it
And also ugly as fuck

>>127152296
He wasn't ugly, he was surrounded by absolute hunks in Deep Purple. Dio himself was pretty good looking but he didn't pay too much attention to that side of him

>Iommi
>inventing anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-vCEFikGgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as1NcX31szs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEWkHAIQ3gs
Metal was already there

>>127152029
>>127152180
>>127152296
Blackmore's a genius but an A-grade nut. Coverdale wasn't exaggerating when he said that he's very likely a psychopath.

>>127152323
>he was surrounded by absolute hunks in Deep Purple
Not really, only Ian Paice

>>127152349
>Ian Paice
FUCK NO, I meant Gillan. Paice was uglier than Ritchie

>>127146328 (OP)
Iommi is to riffs what Hendrix is to solos.

>>127152349
Lord was class incarnate and Glover was adorable; they were all handsome. Paice was the late bloomer in there

>band proceeds to get the ultimate chad David Coverdale as lead singer later on

>>127152344
While he never named him, Dio basically said being in Rainbow changed the way he interacted with people. Most assume he was referring to seeing how big of an asshole Richie was.

>>127152332
none of those are even close to metal
metal =/= loud

these were metal before sabbath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OvW8Z7kiws&list=RD7OvW8Z7kiws&start_radio=1
https://youtu.be/GET-g_qPcXc?list=RDGET-g_qPcXc&t=387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2takfz6q3M&list=RDQ2takfz6q3M&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w772GXG5LnE&list=RDw772GXG5LnE&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfpn3wHoNGA&list=RDTfpn3wHoNGA&start_radio=1

>>127152392
>Lord was class incarnate
He was like Ray Manzarek, not bad looking, but looked more like a college professor. Ian Gillan was handsome. The rest were ugly, not as ugly as Iommi at least.

>>127152419
>prog
>psychedelic pop
>having anything to do with metal
You're an idiot. Might as well post Cream and The Who or The Beatles

>>127152410
He did mention it; he stated "I respect Rtchie a lot and learned a lot from him as well but more importantly I learned what NOT to do..." then he proceeds to mention stuff at their stint on Rainbow

>>127152427
>He was like Ray Manzarek, not bad looking, but looked more like a college professor
I say 70s Lord was his chad period

>>127152441
>durrr muh labels
you're retarded, those are sinister sounding pieces of guitar music, which is what metal is, not noisy proto punk critic-core horseshit

>>127152332
>bro The Velvet Underground had distorted guitars...they were totally metal before metal at points!
You are an earlet

>>127152410
>>127152443
Yeah Dio talked plenty of shit about Blackmore, but he was prepared to suck it up for a payday. In the late '80s there were rumours going in the music press that he was trying to convince Blackmore to reform Rainbow - there's an interview with Iommi and Cozy Powell laughing about it saying that he needs the money.

Ironic considering how things went with Dehumanizer just a few years later lol

>>127152470
Found it, in the first two minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS3Oxfh1VuI

>>127152458
>metal = sinister

>>127152470
I like how always he talked politely about it, that really shows he respected him as an artist; both shared the same kind of love to music. When Dio really talked shit was about Sabbath; he was really bitter about how all that ended, an he was right, they had something special and could become in the best band of all time.

>>127152441
A lot of classic metal acts definitely took major influence from progressive rock. It's no coincidence that metal quite frequently tends to be more musically progressive and instrumentally oriented than other fields of rock music. I would definitely say Red by King Crimson has moments not far off from metal, though of course that's post-Sabbath.
You may dismiss "psychedelic pop" here, but "heavy psych" has a ton in common with early metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5qYBhacTLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqZ8dWqvAqs
In the case of Flower Travellin Band, they actually covered Black Sabbath in fucking 1970. That's how much overlap there was.

>>127152496
>I've got power in me voice that Ronnie....has...
lol nice save there Tony.

>>127152029
>black knight stolen from ricky nelson's version of summertime
>child in time stolen from it's a beautiful day's bombay calling
>fireball stolen from rockstar's warpig
>smoke on the water stolen from astrud gilberto's maria quiet
>burn stolen from gershwin's fasinating rhythm
>hush is a cover
people give Page shit for thievery but even if you took away all the songs he stole (most from the debut) Zeppelin would still be a legendary band
meanwhile if you took away Purple's stolen songs nobody would've heard of them

>>127152502
>metal = sinister
Yes, power metal is not metal, dnd nerds can seethe

>>127152550
>edgy kid has arrived to the chat
metal was never about being sinister, turbo retard; it's about fantasies; from dnd nerd tier to empowering fantasies that hype you to wreck shit. That said, even then you could make metal about anything; even with just one word. You need to stop listening to fake metal genres like numetal

>>127152470
>>127152496
>>127152516
Dio was a great talent and was famously cool to fans but he could also be a petty dickhead in his own way. He always disliked Martin, he used to shit on him in the press for being a clone (Ozzy also used to refer to him as "Dio's understudy" too lol) so I think Martin did well to take the high road for the most part. They only met once, Iommi gave Martin a backstage pass to a gig on the Dehumanizer tour and when Martin went to meet Dio and shake his hand, Dio was really rude to him and just walked off after about a minute. I don't know if it's because he though it was just Iommi sending him a message (don't think you're irreplaceable) or what but it's still acting like a douche. Martin was also originally meant to do the infamous Costa Mesa gig but somehow Wendy Dio pulled some strings and managed to get his American work visa revoked, which is why Halford was brought in at the last minute.

>>127152605
>"I tried to catch his eye backstage," Martin stated about Dio. "It was a relatively big affair, with people all over the place. And every time he walked past me, I went, 'Ronnie!' And he disappeared. 'Ronnie!' Eventually, I managed to catch his attention. I said, 'Ronnie! Come here.' So he walked over, and he just stared at me. And I thought maybe he was gonna hit me or something; he just stared. And I was trying to explain. I said, 'Ronnie, I love what you do, man. I'm a big fan.' And I said, 'You're a hard act to follow.' And he said, 'Good,' and walked off. That was it. [Laughs] He didn't stay. He just said 'good' and walked off. So that was my only conversation with Ronnie James Dio.

>>127152587
>dnd nerd acting uppity
nu metal is as bad as power metal and hair metal

>>127152605
>old school trashtalk and shithousery
There's the whole Vivian Westwood shitfest. All these musicians were really people with strong personalities, but why is every feud among high tier musicians so juicy?! This is the good kind of gossip

>>127152630
hair metal doesn't exist. Don't shitpost too much

>>127152550
>metal = sinister
>Yes, power metal is not metal
So if power metal sounds a little creepy and is about sinister themes you're BTFO?

>>127152630
Much worse

>>127152630
>nu metal is as bad
>implying nu metal isn't sounding diarrea
It's an offense Soad is somewhat tied to that shitty manufactured "genre"

Keith Richards is #2 all time for riffs, right?

>>127152605
>he used to shit on him in the press for being a clone (Ozzy also used to refer to him as "Dio's understudy" too lol)
sounds like both were deaf because he's clearly a whitesnake era coverdale clone (who himself was a robert plant clone)
>Wendy Dio pulled some strings and managed to get his American work visa revoked
oh wow that's really shitty
>>127152619
if this is true I really hope he got his midget ass knocked out at one point
now I don't feel bad for Blackmore calling him a trivial person after his death when asked about why he was kicked out of Rainbow

>>127152682
from the 60s guard he's probably the best (mostly because he lasted the longest)
but man has he written a cool riff after slave from tattoo you? I'm not a stones expert

>>127152682
Dimbag imo

>>127152700
With Blackmore's record you need to take 90% he says with a grain of salt. He pretty much bullied the keyplayer out of Rainbow just because he wasn't fond of him. Also, disposing Glover from Purple because he was Gillan's bro... only to call him back fro Rainbow lmao

>>127152725
>has he written a cool riff after slave from tattoo you?

There are a few. This probably being the best one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD8f9G4hAz8

>>127152458
>those are sinister sounding pieces of guitar music, which is what metal is
Here's your sinister piece of music, bro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sReGQj67HJU

>>127152848
that riff sounds reaaaally familiar, I think someone stole it from him, ahhhhh fuck, what song is it?
this is going to bother me now
is it this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3W-E0OamU&list=RDYP3W-E0OamU&start_radio=1

but yeah it's pretty cool

>>127152332
none of that is metal, silly

>>127152682
Cantrell mogs

>>127152419
all great and influential pieces of music, but none of those are as heavy and dark as "black sabbath"

>>127148477
lel
weak bait

>>127152915
Sabbath wasn't that heavy, Motorhead existed.

>>127146328 (OP)
>do so many drugs that you beat your wife and try to kill her
good guitarist, shite person

>>127153125
Motorhead was a British ZZ Top rip off who played very distorted, and a bit faster, and nothing more.
There was noting "Heavy" about them, and they certainly weren't "Metal".

>>127152419
I'm not sure I'd agree with you on 88% of your picks, but 21st Century Schizoid Man IS the song Black Sabbath WISH they had written.
So much so that Ozzy actually covered it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4RzO-cj1pQ&list=RDy4RzO-cj1pQ&start_radio=1

>>127152332
OK
If it weren't for Blue Cheer, there would be no MC5, I'll give you that, but none of these bands or songs sound anything remotely like Black Sabbath.

>>127152180
It's funny to think that there was a window of time of almost a decade where Blackmore was THE rock god, THE guitar god, and that went away as soon as EVH became a household name. As late as '82 people still held him as a guitar god on top of everyone else. Breaking up Rainbow kinda killed his social recognition though.

>>127146483
David Gilmour is the best guitarist not considered a virtuoso

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Vol 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage, Technical Ecstasy, Never Say Die
Heaven and Hell - Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer
Iommi solo career featuring other artists - everything else
Only album I have trouble classifying is 13 because it sounds so much like Sabbath, but without Bill on drums it just sounds off despite how good of an album it is

>>127146694
bro just played spongebob music

>>127151743
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mH7bTM48Huc&pp=ygUaYmxhY2sgc2FiYmF0aCBwc3ljaG9waG9iaWE%3D


The Tony Martin albums are all vastly underrated, and I hate that term. Sabbath fans don’t listen to them but there’s a lot of good shit on them.

>>127146636
he sucks though

>>127152332
None of you dudes even point out that Sir Lord Baltimore came out around the same time as Sabbath and had a similar sound.

>>127152682
mogged by Page and Townshend

Chill, the best metal band of all time's still active. I'm talking about Metallica, of course.

>>127157287
Probably because Sabbath had two albums out first? They're a cool band though.

>>127157287
sir lord baltimore are a band certain people always bring up in these conversations in a desperate attempt to prove they're the smartest person in the room

how do i sound like this?

what do i need?

>>127152332
>>127152419
Why do midwits who don't even like metal always try to wrest that genre's invention away from Sabbath? The song "Black Sabbath" invented metal, end of story.

>>127160088
My favorite part is how none of the examples sound like Black Sabbath.

>>127159973
like, on guitar? humbuckers, tune low, turn up the bass, use vintage amps

>>127160325
and use your neck pickup, especially during leads

>>127155837
>There was noting "Heavy" about them, and they certainly weren't "Metal"
And yet a lot of retards call them heavy metal for some reason and with time they stood with heavy sounds

>>127156214
He's the prime example of getting blacklisted for people and media not liking him as a person, long before Ted Nugent. If his reputation among peers and outsiders was positive he would be praised for what he did but since he was mostly an unpleasant guy... you have this reality

>>127157349
>Chill, the best metal band of all time's still active
Basado and Panterapilled but I don't think that's really Pantera to be fair.

>We lost Riot and nobody noticed
>Nobody noticed Riot even when they were active
Peak underrated. The Thin Lizzy of metal

>>127151718
Seethe

>>127146328 (OP)
>>loses the tips of a fingers
>>a huge handicap to a guitar player
wait until you learn about Django Reinhardt or that Reggae guy named Niney who only had 9 fingers