Why did he spend over a decade, some might say even more, consistently disgracing the Black Sabbath name?

Guy's gotta eat and they wouldn't let him go solo

>>127169474 (OP)
80s and 90s were rough for many boomers.
But Ritchie won.
>comfy Renfaire tunes
>wife that's younger than your guitars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ZNoN7kVUs

>>127169474 (OP)
because hes a musician and thats his fuckin job? What do you expect for him to say ''fuck this music shit''and become broke and homeless?

>>127169515
Night is the best thing hes ever done

>>127169474 (OP)
>some might say even more
Which voices in your head say that?

>>127169572
I don't know about that.. It's possible without any irony though. I'm just glad he's been around for so long to give as much music as he is.

>>127169682
as he has*

>>127169666
some people didnt fall for the
>see this guinea midget? he’s akshually the best greatest singer ever…
marketing ploy

>>127169515
Candice is in her 50s now but yeah, she was like 30 when they got together
Either Ritchie won because he doesn't try to keep up with anyone else and simply just makes the music he wants to make

>>127169768
He still writes good leads and good songs. He never got lazy or anything. What more can you ask for. And funnily, that band has lasted twice as long as anything else he's done. Quite an accomplishment for him.

>>127169823
I wish he re-did Rainbow properly, though. When he did that Rainbow show in 2015, it was just the B'sN backup band with a guest vocalist. I mean, Rainbow is literally HIS band, so he can hire whom he wants, but fs, at least someone a little more rock & rolly-y & rough around the edges than have BN play the R songs.

Bills have to be paid, and heron addictions have to be fed.

>>127169474 (OP)
He was out of his mind on drugs the entire 80s.

>>127169564
You only become broke and homeless if you don't know how to invest your earnings properly.
For most people, ts doesn't last forever.
Musicians should always have a back up plan, and learn how to invest your money wisely so your money works for you, and you keep earning even after you retire.

>>127169474 (OP)
"Sniff. They love Ozzy more than me. Sniff."

classic sabbath isn't even more than 50% good

>>127169474 (OP)
Why men wear this ridiculous mustache ?, doesn't it get in the way when eating their swill ?

>>127171817
it was the 70s, man

>>127171817
>>127171848
Average 70s porn star had a stache with a combober and shagged 10/10s whilst keeping his black socks on.

>>127171455
lol all members of sabbath were high school dropout tier blue collars, you think they knew shit about investing?
why do you think they were broke after sabbath bloody sabbath and had to start selling out by making pop like technical ecstasy and never say die?

>>127172183
The only guys I've heard of that were smart with money and did investing and shit are Mick Jagger and Ian Anderson. Jagger actually went to /biz/ school for awhile. Don't know why Anderson was like that.

>>127172183
and it's not as if Sabbath sold fuckloads of albums or had top 10 hits like some people they weren't close to Zeppelin huge

>>127172228
methinks the two guys from kiss (you know which two) knew a thing or two about making a buck lol

>>127172183
I guess Geezer made some bucks off songwriting royalties from people covering their songs but the other guys didn't get that as he was the main songwriter in the band.

>>127172245
Doh. lol. Yeah, them too. They were selling all kinds of merch before it was even cool. KISS Lunch boxes, KISS bubble gum, KISS key chains..

It's BLACK fuKKKing SABBATH, the best metal band (after 'tallica, of course). He literally GRACED the world with those albums. Be thankful, retarded plebeian.

If hes so great at riffs then wheres all the great riffs in the 80s and 90s

>>127169474 (OP)
Literally coked out of his brain

>>127169474 (OP)
it is pretty tragic he went the AOR/hair metal slop route instead of going heavier after Born Again. At least we got Dehumanizer and that later H&H album I suppose...

>>127174665
a riff alone does not a good song make
but here's some anyway in no particular order

zero the hero
follow the tears
mob rules
heaven and hell
the fallen
time machine
gone (solo album)
children of the sea
I
back to eden
evil eye
rusty angels
fear
falling off the edge of the world
seventh star
black moon
a hard life to love

>>127174725
you thought he was going to play doom or thrash in the 80s? In his 30s? After tasting fame in the 70s?
of course he was going to go the van halen buttrock route

>>127174769
and it still didn't work. did they just immediately send those tony martin albums straight to the bargain bins hot off the presses? Anyways, Born Again was a good balance of '80s hard rock and that trademark murky doom sound from those early '70s albums, so that's what he should have developed if he had any sense. Also didn't help that those mid-late '80s albums were produced like absolute shit as well, I wish he would have at least remixed them all for that tony martin box set. He also had to shove that '80s cock rock shit in what was supposed to be a concept album in Tyr, which marred that one as well. Someone really should have flushed his coke stash.

>>127174827
>Born Again was a good balance of '80s hard rock and that trademark murky doom sound from those early '70s albums
I think it's pretty mid, maybe okay
Zero The Hero, Born Again, The Fallen, Keep It Warm are okay
Trashed is passable
digital bitch, hot line, disturbing the priest and the instrumental are absolute ass

>>127174665
Almost every single riff he made in the 80s and 90s are great. Have you even listened to any of it?

The riff at 1:31 is better than anything he did in the 70s.
https://youtu.be/mH7bTM48Huc?si=yn0dM3nIoH2hfPnK&t=86

>>127175007
hate this faggot's voice so much. dude just sounds like he's yelping. anyways, that riff isn't even good enough to make it onto the shittiest soundgarden album, which is what they were basically trying to do at this point in their career

>>127174827
I honestly think this cover was designed to fool people into thinking it’s from the ’70s.

>>127175007
everything about it is generic 80s slop

>>127175045
You're fucking retarded.

>>127175087
You're even more retarded than this >>127175045 fag. Nothing on that album sounds 80s.

>>127175093
>>127175108
seethe martinfag

>>127169474 (OP)
how did Tony manage to look like the coolest mofo on the planet even in his 40's/50's

>>127174827
Headless Cross and Tyr did well in Europe and Japan. Having Cozy Powell and Neil Murray there helped a lot because those were audiences that were already big fans of Rainbow and pre-MTV Whitesnake.

>>127175087
>Cross Purposes
>80s

Nigga what? The whole Cross Purposes album is Tony and Geezer aping grunge and alt metal with Martin told to tone down his vibrato because they felt it dated the songs too much. Virtual Death could be an Alice in Chains song for heaven's sake

>>127174872
>disturbing the priest
>absolute ass
WRONG

>>127169474 (OP)
the truth is, only fans care about things like keeping the integrity a bands name and legacy. reality sets in and artists need to do whatever keeps the lights on. making original music is only a genuine, uncompromising passion early on when there's not much to lose.

>>127169740
Nah its just dumbasses like you that refused to get it.
80s and 90s revolving door total circus Black Sabbath was total kino. It made for some total bangers out of all the turmoil.

Putting aside the quality of the material because I felt like all three had some great stuff and some total dross, but why did Ozzy adjust the '90s so much more comfrotably than Sabbath and Dio did?

>>127174827
If you think stuff like When Death Calls or Nightwing or the title tracks on The Eternal Idol or The Seventh Star sounds like cock rock you are a mega clown.

>>127175517
I think he's shitting on Feels Good to Me specifically, which to be fair is a blatant Whitesnake wannabe.

I don't hate it though, good vocals and a good solo.

>Ronnie James Dio
>tried to get David Coverdale twice
>Don Airey
>Ian Gillan
>Glenn Hughes
>Bob Daisley
>Cozy Powell
>Bobby Rondinelli

Why did Iommi start recruiting so many Purple/Rainbow guys? Might as well have called the band Blackmore's Sabbath at that stage.

>>127175510
Strange Highways and Dehumanizer are better than anything Ozzy did in the 90s. Dio adpated admirably to the 90s by switching from D&D to gloomy Sci-fi. You just think Ozzy can get away with looking better all the time now because you think everyone is blinded by sentimentality from his recent passing. Feeling understandably bad over that the man just died does not necessarily mean everyone is supposed to think everything he ever recorded was solid gold now. No More Tears have too many ballads and questionable shit like Mr. Tinkertrain and Zombie Stomp on it. Ozzmosis has shit like My Little Man and Ghost Behind My Eyes dragging down an album I otherwise happen to like and feel is very underrated.
Ozzy was always woefully uneven solo. His best and most consistent album solo was either No Rest for the Wicked or Diary of a Madman.

>>127169474 (OP)
he didn't, it was more bad luck, massive mismanagement of the name and straight up sabotage from Sharon

>>127174827
I agree with everything really, I do think the majority of the material is good though

>>127175510
he had songwriters that were coming up and still listened to recent stuff, much like Dio did with Vivian, you need to be really, really good to reinvent yourself by yourself

>>127175510
ozzy's a better showman with a unique voice and a better manager

>>127175601
because if they're good enough for blackmore they're good enough for him so he doesn't have to go through auditions, that would be my guess

>>127175611
No Rest is without a doubt his worst 80s album

>>127175656
I was not asking for your shitty and ignorant take. Bloodbath in Paradise and Fire in the Sky as a one two punch alone puts it over the top. Only the last two tracks on Diary compares. Which is why I have those two albums tied.
But I like all his 80s albums. But I would say Bark at the Moon is actually his "worst" 80s album even though I still like it. But I also think Jake actually came out of his shell more on The Ultimate Sin despite Ron Nevison tarnishing that somehwat.

>>127175727
nope

>>127175601
>>127175647 is right, Blackmore never worked with bad musicians in Purple or Rainbow's original run. The only time when the quality of musicianship started slipping a bit was in the 90s version of Rainbow and even then those guys were still fairly good musicians, just that Blackmore didn't want to pay for/deal with the headache of having A-list guys anymore.

I mean just look at the string of vocalists he basically either discovered or whose careers he took to a new level in the 60s through to the 80s - Rod Evans, Ian Gillan, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Ronnie James Dio, Graham Bonnet and Joe Lynn Turner.

>>127175632
Exactly how was Ozzy a better showman? He walked back and forth confusingly on stage, flailed his arms around, did some frog leaps and threw/shot water at the audience. Meanwhile Dio slayed a huge ass fucking dragon on stage on the Sacred Heart tour.
And how was Dios voice not unique exactly? Be that as it may I agree Ozzys voice as such was even more unique.
And Sharon made plenty of horrible and short sighted decisions that probably shortened the lifespan of her husband more than even the drugs did. Wendy had a bad side to her too and Ronnie could be a bit of a diva himself some times. But overall Sharon and Ozzy was a far more toxic couple to deal with in the industry.

>>127175733
Again I was not asking (you). Stop speaking to me.

>>127175874
>Wendy had a bad side to her too
Mainly when she forced him to record "Hungry For Heaven."

>>127175901
Probably means stuff like screwing Vivian Campbell and the thing with Tony Martin's visa.

>>127175901
>force him to record his only good song
based wendy

>>127171455
Yes that is true. But 95% of musicians are not the type of people to do anything responsible or prudent. They blow it all on drugs or gear or women, always have always will. Everyone is smarter now but there is barely any money to go around so everyone is making jack squat.

>>127175908
Thats what I meant and from what I gather the worst things Wendy and Ronnie ever did. Sharon and Ozzy has a far and away more sordid track record than that.

>>127175874
>And Sharon made plenty of horrible and short sighted decisions that probably shortened the lifespan of her husband more than even the drugs did
>Ozzy
>lives to 76
>Dio
>lives to 69
...

>>127175920
>Everyone is smarter now but there is barely any money to go around so everyone is making jack squat
Oh boo hoo they got their USAID bucks cut. Get over it.

>>127175921
Yeah, people justifiably shit on Sharon and Ozzy all the time but Dio and Wendy weren't much better, just that Dio had the good grace to ultimately realize where his money came from and was polite to fans.

>>127175920
Music is not as much of a social event anymore. Its going back to what it was more like before boomers started gushing over Sinatra, Elvis, The Beach Boys and The Beatles.
Music should be mostly personal. Some times social. But it should never have become a fucking industry in the first place.

>>127171455
ok Robert Kyosaki

>>127175930
it was unfortunate of him to go that early of stomach cancer he probably had poor lifestyle habits i seem to recall he said he didn't like eating all that much

>>127169474 (OP)
Idk what you're referring to but every Sabbath album is great except Tyr and Forbidden and even those have a few good songs

>>127175930
Luck is not an apt measurment. Ozzy honestly cheated death for 50 years or something like that. Sharon or no Sharon. I will aknowledge she helped him stay alive longer than expected of him. For her own cynical ends most likely. But still.

>>127175970
it was his family that kept him going that long without them i think he'd have died way earlier

>>127175962
Why do I detect sarcastic glee in your post?
Yes he slept and ate very little. He never abused drugs though and only drank alcohol very modestly though.

I mean Frank Sinatra shouldn't have lived to 82 either given the mountain of booze and cigs he consumed over his life and yes his final tour in 1994 was pretty painful to watch

>>127175962
>>127175989
Vinny Appice says he virtually never ate vegetables, would often drink on an empty stomach and never went for colonoscopies or went to the GP unless he absolutely had to. Also apparently upon his Stage 4 cancer diagnosis he thought he'd be fine because he got the idea in his head for some reason that cancer was graded on a scale of 1-10

who gets his tapes of leftover riffs after he dies?

>>127172228
I know of many rich musicians from other than music.

Moz bought real estate in UK and LA starting in 1980s and is worth mid 8 digits just from real estate portfolio of houses. Fred Durst has been flipping houses in LA for about 15 years and has made a bankroll into low 8 digits. Michael Anthony from Van Halen built a tract of houses in the 1980s in Pasadena and kept about a half dozen of them (they may have burned recently dunno). Flea owns half dozen weird houses in LA. Metallica Lars and James each well into 9 digit territory from ownership of Metallica but also own houses in SF, NV, etc. Lars owns commercial property in East Bay SF. Linkin Park the Jews and Azns own apartments in Socal I'm unsure how much. Danzig owns a piece of shit house on Franklin in Hollywood and a building in Los Feliz. Would you like to know more?

>>127169572
>Night is the best thing hes ever done
and THAT is the dumbest shit I've read all day. Probably the dumbest shit I'll read all weekend. Kys, you literal retard.

>>127176014
that killed Freddie King too. he didn't eat any food and just chugged Bloody Marys prior to shows and he was on the road constantly so under tons of stress.

>>127176022
you didn't need to do danzig like that, he's still lying on the floor from that KO

>>127175983
x to doubt
I think it was Sharon actually that said in the God Bless Ozzy Osbourne documentary that he lived as self destructively as possible on the road in the 80s because he wanted to die to and stage and go out with a bang. I think she had there point there actually. I think he actually wanted to die on stage during Back to the Beginning too. I think that was his dream really. Face it. The man was quite the grandiose narcissist really. And I like a lot of his music and think he had good personality traits too along with the bad.

>>127176022

I haven't even tapped into all the crypto rich DJs from the 2010s. We're talking centimillionaires from getting paid in Bitcoin to do gigs in Ibiza in like 2013

>>127176038
Oh yeah and of course Jerry Garcia. Also lived on junk food, chain smoked, and was always on the road without a break for years and years and his body finally just gave out.

>>127176050
He wanted to become the R. Budd Dwyer of Music basically. But never quite got there despite his efforts.

>>127176066
and...uh...Frank Zappa? you should hear about his lifestyle habits. he died at 53 for a reason.

>>127176003
most of those pre-rock guys lived way longer than the average rock star LE

>>127176079
Zappa died of prostate cancer caused by playing with the chemicals his military scientist father brought home from work. Literally playing with liquid mercury and other things.

>>127176092
he sucked a dick and got fucked in the ass

>>127176100
WITH A SPINDLE UP MY BUTT TILL IT MAKES ME SCREAM

>>127176014
You think this is still comparable to what Ozzy put his own body and mind through?

>>127176092
also smoking like a chimney and eating garbage must have had something to do with it

>>127175916
hungry for heaven gay af

>>127176327
>ride the tiger over the rainbow
all his material is gay nerd shit

>>127176371
You have not listened to much of his material.
And nerd shit is based. You are just a dick. Simple as.
Also how do you think Black Sabbath and Ozzy started out and what thematically inspired the song that defined them? Das rite. Nerd shit. Horror movies. Dennis Wheatly novels. Astrology.
Thematically even The Seventh Star album and the title track on it especially is still in keeping with Black Sabbaths thematic origins despite that it was supposed to be an Iommi solo album at first. Deal with it.

>>127176447
Oh and Lovecraft too on Behind the Wall of Sleep I forgot to add.

>>127175601
Ian Gillan is easily the best singer for Sabbath other than Ozzy. Born Again era should have stayed together and done 7 more albums.

>>127176447
>>127176496
dio is cringe

>>127175930
Dio lied about his age. He was mid 70s

>>127176014
Its called carnivore diet. Its healthy for you

>>127172228
>>127176022
i think duff mckagan had a little bit of amazon before it was a thing but he studied business and finance anyway

>>127177696
He must be loaded.

>>127172228
>>127177696
Sammy Hagar as well, he bought into some mountain bike company and was already extremely wealthy before Van Halen and the tequila venture.

Gregg Giuffria from Angel is another one. He actually retired from music in the early 90s when grunge hit and got involved with some kind of casino consortium iirc - he's a borderline-billionaire now who still dips his toes into music for fun occasionally

>>127169474 (OP)
Probably bitter about being kicked out of Jethro Tull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TsFPHLTCKo

>>127177221
Switching diets seems to always bring about health benefits. Doesn't matter in which direction you throw the switch, veganism or carnivore. But >staying on such extreme diets i.e. once the body has adapted... not such a good idea. Symptoms come back and you add new ones.

>>127175601
There is a small group of mostly-British hard rock musicians who have all played with Rainbow, Gary Moore, Whitesnake, the Michael Schenker Group, Black Sabbath, and even Deep Purple at one time or another. In any field there are going to be people who are first-call choices, and the UK was a smaller scene than the US. It's the same with actors. If you watch a lot of TV shows and movies from the UK you see the same handful of actors in everything.

>>127176796
He blew his voice out on the Born Again because he thought he had to screech in Black Sabbath and never sounded like that again.

>>127175510
>but why did Ozzy adjust the '90s so much more comfrotably than Sabbath and Dio did?
Sharon may be a cunt, but she is a shrewd industry player, and she had a burning ambition to outdo her father. She took a washed up drunken has-been with minimal talent, scraped him off the floor and built the Ozzy brand into a lasting success. She surrounded him with talented musicians and songwriters (whom she often ruthlessly exploited) cleverly built up an image and mythology around Ozzy (bat-biting, hell-raising, Randy "the fallen soulmate", etc), and in the 90s created the Ozzfest - linking all the new trends in heavy music that were emerging with Ozzy.

>>127171817
At age eight or nine, while being chased by another boy, Iommi fell and cut his upper lip.[10] As a result, he gained the nickname "Scarface", which made him self-conscious, so he eventually grew his trademark moustache as a means of covering the scar

>>127174739
Forgot Voodoo, Southern Cross, Country Girl, Die Young

>>127179419
>being chased by boys at age 8
maybe we should have banned all bongs

>>127175402
Italian genes.

>>127174769
This. Also Ozzy played pop metal in his solo career up until he died so it probably made sense to him. And the fact that doom was niche until the 90s

>>127172245
There's making money and then there's being Gene Simmons levels of jew

>>127169474 (OP)
You may as well ask what happened to KISS or Aerosmith post-70s and what was with their questionable 80s creative direction.

>>127178461
>because he thought he had to screech in Black Sabbath
the screeches are the best part tho

Or Reprise-era Sinatra when he was doing contemporary pop which was often a little questionable but things just kind of go that way sometimes.