We need to remind zoomers that shoegaze is closer to NOISE not just shitty pop indie rock drowned in reverb.
Listening to Souvlaki once and buying a reverb pedal doesn't make your band shoegaze. Stacking fuzzes, delays, and verbs, playing with feedback, fucking with said pedal (you know, gazing at your shoes), and worshiping the likes of Spacemen 3 , MBV, and drone music is the spirit of shoegaze. Zoomergaze sucks so much balls.

>>127253769 (OP)
Big muff for punk is great
Big muff for shoegaze is gay

>>127253769 (OP)
It's usually the dreamy vocals that elevates it above mere noise.

>>127253794
Big Muff IS shoegaze. If it isn't on your board, you arent 'gaze.

"shoegaze started in the 80's. The decedent of alternative. It's a pejorative that means 'staring at your shoes'"

Sure buddy. We can all edit Wikipedia articles.

You're lying to these people. You're telling them lies.

>>127253837
That's exactly what it was. Early bands weren't very animated and just jammed with their heads down. No dancing Billinda Butchers.

>>127253815
Big muff predates shoegaze by a decade u gay

>>127253891
Your point?

>>127254001
u gay

>>127253891
Big Muffs didn't start off as gnarly though. The OG one is like Gilmour's tone. Like the solo in Comfortably Numb. Most wouldn't associate that sound with the Muff anymore.

So after you put your buy your 100 dollar fuzz pedal, and get your sound perfect,you're gonna stare you're shoes on stage? Because some nameless author of a Wikipedia article said this was a legitimate genre, Got to be accurate, right?


Wow. That's absolutely absurd. They're controlling you.

>>127254010
It was when them early punk niggas were using them in the 70s

>>127254010
Yeah but if you're a modern band and dont have a Muff, what are you doing? God I love me a Muff and a Superfuzz.

You just want the sustain.

"vintage" is a fucking scam.

>>127253769 (OP)
okay but Siamese Dream is better than all Shoegaze albums. It's also closer to Loveless than most modern Shoegaze albums.

Superfuzz Bigmuff
Siamese Dream
Fast Stories From Kid Coma
You'd Prefer an Astronaut
Downward is Heavenward

these albums mog any reverb rock to oblivion

>>127254335
Everyone knocks Billy's singing, but he has the perfect voice to accompany a Big Muff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K79LRBXJOqM
*mogs*

Great I summoned the Billyfag.

>big muff
say thanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBYFD7IvA0k

>>127253769 (OP)
its not that important

>>127254468
I'm not the Billyfag. He's fucking Billy Corgan. Only you retards would think there's only one Pumpkins fan.

I saw that obnoxious video where some guy was trying to define "zoomergays" and half the bands he mentioned were from the early 00s and before.

you stole my guitar sound motherfucker

so
is this the new /shoegaze/ general?

>>127254671
Whenever I listen to a shoegaze record, I get reminded that Billy did it better and I put on Siamese Dream

>>127254683
well, I like shoegaze and I dont like Siamese Dream
the duality of men

>>127254702
How long have you been listening to alternative music and shoegaze?

>>127254030
>muh punks
Stfu faggot. Why do you cucks think you guys started everything? Delusional faggots.

That's why DA CULCHA is ruling over you
Because go back and read what you just wrote.

What you can say about it, is "vintage" is a scam.

And I sure hope you don't think your going to sound like a Dinosaur jr rip off using a few niche pedals. It's marketing. They're lying.

rat > muff
delay > reverb
simple as

My nigga

>>127255817
where's the delay brah

>>127255817
>2 Muffs
>budget clone enjoyers
You couldn't be any more based

>>127256399
This is what I run them through, it’s a S tier amp for a busy pedal board.

>>127253769 (OP)
too bad no one cares, faggot

>>127253769 (OP)
Noise rock > shoegaze in almost every capacity. When are kids gonna start an Amphetamine Reptile/mid period Touch & Go revival?

>>127258001
I agree I do like noise rock more. For me, it's Brainbombs. Zoomers don't have the capacity of making anything like that since it doesn't have TikTok or pop appeal.

>>127257006
Oh no. They can't own things.

I'm in the market for a Muff and I was pretty set on getting a Green Russian but then I randomly clicked on a demo of a $30 Chinese Muff and it's the best one I've ever heard by far. Now I'm confused.

>>127258175
if youre budget conscious just get any copy you like, it's a pretty simple circuit. the ehx reissues are pretty good too though and not in a giant stupid box (for me its the triangle)

>>127253815
I use heavy metal 2 boss mostly which I believe Kevin shields did use. Still have both

>>127254335
Siamese is thick as hell on guitar end

>*mogs gay muff*

>>127257896
Stfu idiot. Let him make his point.

>>127260146
are they really comparable though.

>>127260260
If I had to pick one distortion for my dreamgaze tone, I know what I'm picking, simple as.

ok but what does a superfuzz do?

>>127253769 (OP)
Shoegaze is music for incel nerds.

>>127260368
yes, get away from my incel music, fakecel

>>127253769 (OP)
i like where you’re coming from, but the fact is that shoegaze can be an experimental, droney, noisey thing like Jesu, Parannoul, Loveliescrushing,

or it can be a faggy pop affair with some added effects like Ride, The Verve, Slowdive.

The genre is broad af

>>127253769 (OP)
Zoomers don't even like souvlaki shoegaze, they like metallic grunge shoegaze. Isn't that what you faggots were pissing yourselves about originally?

>>127260260
Not the DS1, but the DS2 is almost comparable to the OG Muff

>>127261187
zoomers love slowdive. At Slowdive concerts 90% of the people are tiktok girls under 23. They like both 'indie rock drowned in reverb' and ultraprocessed stripped down nu-metal shoegaze, now far removed from its roots (HUM, Smashing Pumpkins, Failure)

>>127258062
of course. lame.

>>127261893
>Failure
Their best album (Comfort) isn't even Shoegaze either.

The sound of shoegaze is the sound of overdubbed, overdriven tape aka. it doesnt exist outside of recorded format.
>b-but muh peddle
kys

>>127262010
did Kevin use a single pedal? maybe a big muff on sometimes?

>>127262024
Dont be silly

zoomer here, am i shoegazing? here's my pedalboard and a few covers i've done trying to make the song shoegaze, some with my shitty singing.

https://vocaroo.com/14riziQOKgyp
https://vocaroo.com/1aKReERDYw8X
https://vocaroo.com/1cgSccQh7r7J

>>127262494
try writing a song without effects

>>127253769 (OP)
>>127261091
Verve and Catherine Wheel mog MBV and Slowdive, just how it is

>>127253769 (OP)
Yeah, fuck the likes of neutral milk hotel and sorts

>>127255140
Because punks did start everything, stop maldind over it.

>>127262494
Am i being trollt? Im liking the first tune. Sounds not very shoegaze but like pixies lol. I like the vocals too but they need more work, melody wise. Drop bandcamp or smth

>>127255939
>delay for shoegaze
shameful

>>127260368
objectively a horny genre but you've never felt the embrace of a woman (or a man for that matter) so you wouldn't get it