No Stranger to Love is a mediocre power ballad and the title track is a pretty uninteresting Kashmir ripoff, but the rest is very good melodic hard rock with some godly vocals.

Why do people hate this again?

IT'S BS IN NAME ONLY!

>>127293719 (OP)
The title track is the only track with a memorable riff that sounds nothing like kashmir
The rest is forgettable 80s butt metal

>>127293719 (OP)
Really don't like Glenn Hughes, didn't like him in Purple either. I put him in the same overemotive pseudo-soul singer bag as Michael Bolton and Steve Perry.

>>127293719 (OP)
no place for synths in metal, simple as

>>127293719 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOquMh4-aeA
Absolute kino

>>127293719 (OP)
the title track and all of side 2

>>127293730
Iommi is on the album so it's pure Black Sabbath

>>127293719 (OP)
lmao why is stand there all sad looking?

>>127295926
Because the label denied him to go solo,and he probably realized he ain't a vocalist so he can't have a successful solo career, so he had to go with the Sabbath bullshit to be active in music.

>>127296048
>Because the label denied him to go solo,and he probably realized he ain't a vocalist so he can't have a successful solo career
Glenn Tipton tried that once, turned out he...can't sing for shit either.

It's Sabbath and better than any contemporary metal album. End of.

>>127296290
>It's Sabbath and better than any contemporary metal album
There were a lot of contemporaneous metal albums that utterly wiped the floor with it especially in fucking 1986.

Turn to Stone, Heart Like a Wheel, and Angry Heart/In Memory are all killer. The soloing on Wheel gets a little wanky but whatever.
Everything else on the album is good.

>>127293719 (OP)
No Stranger to Love is one of the best power ballads of the 80s.
>Why do people hate this again?
It's retards who listen to music with their minds instead of their ears and that's why have to put everything they listen to in a musical context i.e. "this was suppose to be a solo album therefore it's not Black Sabbath and therefore it's bad", "it's not the original lineup therefore it's bad, "the production sounds too much 80s" or any other shit context excuse they can come up with instead of just sit down and listening to the fucking albums without thinking about any other bullshit that has literally nothing to do with how the songs are.

>>127293823
Let me guess, your favourite singer is Tom Araya, or someone shitty like that?

>>127293719 (OP)
Hail the Seventh Star crew

>>127293719 (OP)
>the title track is a pretty uninteresting Kashmir ripoff
The bait is strong in this one. Its one of the best things Iommi created in the 80s.
Otherwise its a slept on albeit also kind of mid album.
Getting real tired of this "this is a rip off of this" bullshit now. Some of you shitheads are even claiming Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was ripped of from some Brazilian group. Can you just shut the fuck up already?

>>127293719 (OP)
>No Stranger to Love
You know the rules(and so do I)

>>127297286
>Heart Like a Wheel

The only song to survive the Seventh Star tour! They did it again on the Eternal Idol and Tyr tours, mainly because Martin loved singing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVly3q4oOI&t=170s

>>127298765
>Can you just shut the fuck up already?
YOU STFU, idiot. BS clearly ripped off that Vanusa song.

>>127301028
Also during a mini 3 song set at a charity gig at a local Birmingham pub that was the only show Geoff Nicholls ever played on bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6GQWbrqJkg

>>127301028
>The only song to survive the Seventh Star tour!
Which is a shame because I would love to hear Martin sing every track on that album

>>127293719 (OP)
>How did I get stook in the fookin desert again?
>This isn't Birmingham
>Oh I don't know what's goin on

>>127301151
cringe

>>127301151
>tfw Lita's stolen me coke again

>>127301068
Anyone with honest ears can tell they did not.

>>127293719 (OP)
>listening to Sabbath after Born Again
Why do this to yourself? Are you a sadomasochist or something?

>>127293719 (OP)
honestly everything post-dio is NOT sabbath canon. absolute tony iommi cocaine wankery

>>127301942
Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

Dio Sabbath: Dehumanizer

Other-Guy Sabbath: Born Again

Literal Turds out of My Asshole Sabbath: any Iommi solo shit (including Tony Martin)

>>127301994
Ackshully Born Again and even the Dave Donato sessions had Iommi/Butler/Ward.

Ward was even on the final leg of the Cross Purposes tour and had committed to doing another album. He only got disillusioned and left again because Geezer did.

>>127302071
no geezer, no sabbath

>>127302071
i think Donato Sabbath had the potential to be kino

>>127301994
^This.

Youre correct. Thats a Tony Solo released under a BS contract. This is the irrefutable canon

>>127301994
Iommi mostly stopped doing coke after The Eternal Idol.
>>127302012
Ozzy Sabbath were obviously the best. But I have some contrarian takes as well.
I actually think Dio Sabbath is kind of meh. Dio Rainbow is much better. And Born Again is really mid and kind of cringe really. I think both Glenn Hughes and Tony Martin were better in Black Sabbath than either Dip or Gillan.
I'm not that into either Ozzy's or Dio's solo careers really.

>>127302078
No Ozzy no Sabbath

>>127302304
no rape no sex

NO BILL NO SABBATH

>>127302293
>Iommi mostly stopped doing coke after The Eternal Idol.
I sure hope he did because he was pushing 40 at that point and if you don't stop drinking and using drugs by 40 there's no hope to recover from them and stopping could even kill you from withdrawal symptoms. Whitney Houston tragically didn't stop.

>>127302280
>no mob rules
>no dehumanizer
you're a fag

>>127296290
>It's Sabbath
incorrect, comprehensibly so

>>127302293
And PS. I only really like The Eternal Idol and Headless Cross with Martin. Tyr has its moments but it draaaaaaags. Cross Purposes is a fitting title for an album that can not decide if it wants to be either 80s or 90s. Forbidden is just.... what it is.
But yeah. When it comes to Black Sabbath i mostly stick to the original lineup 70s catalog and then Seventh Star, Eternal Idol and Headless Cross when I am in the right headspace for them.

>>127302293
I have similar contrarian takes on Maiden btw. I think the Blaze albums are actually better than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark. Yeah I know I might be slightly mad.
Also get ready to seethe but I think Jugulator is better than Painkiller.
Demolition is total shit though.

>>127302225
You think? I thought he was the worst singer Sabbath ever had by a pretty considerable margin. I always kind of assumed he was there just because he was very good looking and Iommi wanted a face for MTV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs-Zs2bgJGM

>>127303043
Ian Gillan was the worst suited singer for Black Sabbath ever (he is great in 70s Deep Purple make no misstake). And Born Again if anything was a commercial grab trying to ride the whole Deep Sabbath and Black Purple gimmick.

>>127303043
kek i remembered him being better than this. he did have the look tho

>>127303086
And PS. Even Heaven and Hell is just Rainbow with Iommi instead of Blackmore.
Like I already said. I stick mostly to the original lineup 70s albums and the three late 80s albums when it comes to Sabbath/Iommi.

>>127301994
>everything post-dio is NOT sabbath canon
>>127302293
>Born Again is really mid and kind of cringe really
Born Again is the best album they did in the 80s and I will not hear otherwise

>>127303156
>Born Again is the best album they did in the 80s and I will not hear otherwise
No its their absolute worst 80s album and I will not hear otherwise.

>>127303168
you have to admit Trashed is fun as fuck

>>127303175
Its gibberish.
I like the concept behind Digital Bitch (we all know who its actually about stop lying, Gillan) but the execution is kind of meeehhhh.

>>127303208
What I meant to say about Digital Bitch is that Devil and Daughter did the same theme a lot better later on.

>>127302012
Literally fucking retarded opinion. Dehumanizer is a dragging bloated mess of an album where Dio's voice had already started to deteriorate. You rode the short bus to school.
>>127302293
>Ozzy Sabbath were obviously the best
Why is it obvious?

>>127302012
agree with the first three. Martin is good tho my favorite of his is Headless Cross

>>127302452
This is Sabbath, Listen to Rainbow if you wish to partake in that gay shit

>>127295863
No.
He's the only original member, and after Born Again, he's just dragging the good name of Black Sabbath through the mud.
Why the record company wouldn't let him change the name of the band is beyond me.
This is NOT Black Sabbath!
THIS SUCKS!

>>127302841
No Prayer > Virtual XI > X Factor > FotD
Fear gets my vote for worst Maiden album. The Blaze stuff is stronger than people give it credit for, Harris was in a transitional period and there were hits as well as misses. Can't fault the playing on anybody's part.

>>127302452
This is Sabbath, Listen to Rainbow if you wish to partake in homosexual activities

>>127303043
>I thought he was the worst singer Sabbath ever had by a pretty considerable margin

Does Ron Keel even count? He's most famous for being the singer of Steeler, which was Yngwie's first professional band.

https://youtu.be/4UyHF7gpsIU?si=lOuWu6kXKD7g6EW1

>“I had been doing the KEEL demos at Pasha in Hollywood, which was owned by Quiet Riot producer Spencer Proffer. Quiet Riot had just sold ten million records and Spencer was the hot producer, and he was set to do the next Sabbath album. Ian Gillan had just quit and Spencer heard the KEEL demos, hooked me up with Tony and Geezer, and I demoed some of the material that Spencer wanted them to record and we hung out for a few days plotting the future (basically Tony and Geezer wishing they could get Ozzy back). MTV, radio, everybody announced that Ron Keel was the new singer in Sabbath, but something went sour in their deal with Spencer Proffer and I went with it. They went through a bunch of other singers, but all they really wanted was Ozzy. I know for a fact that no singer, including me, was ever “in” Black Sabbath except Ozzy Osbourne.”

>>127304722
>My time with Tony and Geezer was limited to three days of hanging out in LA getting to know each other and making plans. One thing we all agreed on was that we couldn’t let Spencer Proffer and his ego turn such an iconic metal institution like Sabbath into a commercial 80’s hair band, which he was attempting to do by pushing the band to record outside material that was “radio friendly.” My voice on the demo of that material was what got me the gig, and my justification for even discussing that short period of time is the fact that Tony, Geezer, and Don Arden all shook my hand, looked me in the eye, and welcomed me into the band. I was really pushing them to get into rehearsals – Tony gave me a set list for a proposed upcoming tour, and I had rehearsed tirelessly on my own and was ready to nail the vocal chores, staying true to Ozzy, Dio, and Ian but adding a small taste of my own style- but Bev Bevan was unavailable during that short window of opportunity. I firmly believe that if we had gotten to that stage and actually played together, it would have cemented my position in the band and I would have been on the subsequent album(s) and tour(s). They said that Bev was still officially the drummer at the time and his unavailability was the reason we never got to the rehearsal stage. I recall conversations in which Geezer and Tony were hopeful that Bill could return but that was uncertain at the time.

>After I was told by Tony that I was their man, I called a band meeting with my band KEEL, which was just getting started at the time, and told them I was taking the gig with Sabbath. I told no one else, under orders from the Sabbath camp – but as soon as I left that KEEL band meeting, I got in my car to go home and heard the announcement on KLOS radio in LA that “Ron Keel is the new lead singer in Black Sabbath.” When I got home, it was all over MTV. Shortly thereafter, the next issue of KERRANG! magazine carried the announcement as well.

>>127303086
Born Again is sweet, Gillan did a great job on the album and on the previous songs, you're just a nerd faggot is all.

>>127302560
Iommi is the only constant member, so NO IOMMI, NO SABBAZU.

>>127304722
>Geezer tells you you're jut a warm body while they court Ozzy
>do nothing except snort coke and make plans
>they come to your show and hate it so much they never talk to you again
bit hard to count him