Thread 127698752

how would you revive /mu/?

delete the board

Remove all kpop threads. Remove all gooner threads.

>>127698752 (OP)
shill death match via vr that inflicts real damage locally. may the best shill win. similarly all ritual spammers like bon jovi poster or illmatic get to duel in the digital thunderdome. if you lose you are banned for life and anyone who posts illmatic is banned for life etc

>>127698797
More gu threads

>>127698797
>kills /mu/

delete slutpop threads, kpop threads, celeb gossip threads, /pol/bait threads and frogposts
enforce ruthlessly for a couple of months to drive away those posters, then allow off-topic and social threads for the the remaining musicposters
also encourage tripcode use

>>127698902
>bribg back tripcodes!

>apply the ROBOT9000 filter (at LEAST on OPs) to deter low-effort threads, ritualposts, and spam
>enable post IDs or bring back the IP counter

>>127698797
>>127698902
this, make a /kr/ board NOW
>encourage tripcode use
Why were /mu/ oldfags more willing to tripfag? Was it a means of music patrician peacocking? School me on it, I find it an anomaly for a site that hates anons using trips for their own vanity.
>>127698819
Being a slow board is okay. All that /kpg/ does is dump pics and webms of the idols, inflate /mu/'s posts-per-hour count, clog the catalog with a dozen main kpoop generals and now several more dedicated to various groups because they spread like cancer, and kill actual /mu/ threads whenever a new kpoop thread is made.

>>127698917
tripcodes are great. all shitposters, spammers, frogposters, soijak posters etc go straight into the filter and you never see their bullshit again

>>127698966
>Why were /mu/ oldfags more willing to tripfag?
why not? if you post somewhere everyday, its just common sense to be able to recognise the people youre talking to. its literally how human communication works. the whole anonymous is leejun stuff was always a load of bollocks anyway. it makes sense on a board like /b/ where the whole point is to be a fucking idiot, or if you have crippling autism and cant do normal social interaction but its counterproductive anywhere intended for actual discussion. and with filters available anyone who misuses it and starts acting like a cunt can be removed from your experience of the board with a click or two.

>>127698966
>All that /kpg/ does is dump pics and webms of the idols, inflate /mu/'s posts-per-hour count, clog the catalog with a dozen main kpoop generals and now several more dedicated to various groups because they spread like cancer, and kill actual /mu/ threads whenever a new kpoop thread is made.

It’s true. Kpop kills the board

I used to come here to find new, interesting music. All I see in the catalog is the same old slop that gets posted everyday.

>>127698752 (OP)
i would make threads about stuff in music that interests you. focusing on being genuine and honest will attract the same type of responses. chaning the ratio of fake to real post will make it more enjoyable here for everyone (even the fake posters!)

>>127698902
we need the bleed off from the kpop style threads. anything that even has a chance of bringing in some younger posters is good for /mu/ health

>>127699075
>make threads about stuff in music that interests you. focusing on being genuine and honest will attract the same type of responses

>>127699091
not all engagement is good engagement. when will you finally realise this?

>>127699075
the problem with kpoopers is that its an obsession for most of them. kpoop is all they listen to. and idk if all of them even listen to it tbqh I think a lot of them are just twisting their hogs to pics of whoever got the best plastic surgery

>>127699135
they go through threads so quickly that im sure they spend a decent amount of time with eyes on the catalog

Make music popular again.
It's not the board. Music is not a hot topic anymore and no one cares. There isn't a culture around it.

>>127698752 (OP)
It’s not just /mu/
>Tiny Mix Tapes is dead
>the blog era died along with mp3 sharing
>Pitchfork was bought by Condé Nast
Also this >>127699167 music has been replaced by videogames and other media, not even the popular bands like Turnstile get half as much online talk as a “smaller” game like Silksong

>>127698752 (OP)
I would just listen, and that’s what nobody did.

>>127698752 (OP)
Ban hipster shit like Neurtal Milk Hotel and shit music like DeadGrips and watch how /mu/ fixes itself

Start a /mu/ discord

>>127698752 (OP)
1 shill post per artist per week

>>127699037
/mu/ is just a music related shitposting and shill board. Sometimes we like to get nostalgic and talk about the good old days

Stop posting on /mu/ if you:
1. Care about RYM ratings
2. See no problem with using Spotify
3. Believe there is no good modern music
4. Shill outside of shill threads
5. Never contribute recommendations, OC, or check out music that gets posted
6. Never support artists
7. Often inject politics, race, and/or gender into discussions
8. Make recurring threads and/or posts that are unfunny, uninteresting, or of a non-productive nature generally
9. Listen to music for shallow social reasons rather than genuine motivations
10. Disagree with any of these reasons
This is purely in the interest of improving the board. It's nothing personal. You may still lurk, but refrain from posting.

This would be a slow process, but the inevitable improvement of the board would lead to its eventual revival.

>>127698980
>my garbage is better than your garbage
go back to quora

>>127700147
>See no problem with using Spotify
what's wrong with using spotify anon?

>>127698752 (OP)
Maximum 3 Kpop threads concurrently, or better yet, a /kpop/ board.

>>127698966
>All that /kpg/ does is use the board for its intended purpose
oh nooo how awful

>>127700803
ogling girls is not /mu/'s intended purpose. nice try though

>>127698752 (OP)
Add sub boards for Instruments & production. Some us want to connect with others who actually MAKE and PRODUCE the music.

>>127700147
>Often inject politics, race, and/or gender into discussions
Kys jew

>>127702014
just one for both, should be enough.
and one for gooning threads.
and then i can never come back here again.

>>127698752 (OP)
Automatic kpop threads with a limit and cooldown. Where each thread OP also contains a weekly random /mu/core album to attempt to introduce them to difference music.

>>127699664
You are the problem faggot. We need more hipsters.

>>127699167
Yes there still is. We just need to balance it with how Thrashy and shill infested its become.

I drove JPOP General off the board by referencing government funding. Try that with KPOP general and see what happens. Maybe referencing Atarashii Gakkou's connection to 88 rising might help as well

>>127703319
Agree on both counts.

The successful threads I've seen in recent memory have hinged around one knowledgeable anon being willing to dump a ton of music and discuss it. The thread about underground Australian/NZ music around 2000 was a good one.
https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/127293015/

You gotta be really on top of keeping the thread up though, and having just one anon propping up a whole thread sucks. What I see happen a lot, on /mu/ and elsewhere, is a lot of talking past each other; everyone can post good music, but if nobody replies to each other there's no discussion and it's relatively fruitless.

>>127698758
/thread

>>127703592
agreed as well. I've been guilty of starting threads without pumping more into it

>>127698752 (OP)
I'm doing my part with essays, pastas, and meta threads. I'm not thinking about this place sucking/dying, shit like that is just not on my mind. I'm driving right now motherfucker beep beep

>>127699719
I'll join if someone does it
still would prefer the board being in a better shape

janny applications are up as well

>>127699719
There is one and it's even more dead than the /mu/ slsk room

>>127704917
>burning image
>driving motif
I'm seeing this everywhere
what the hell does it mean?

>>127698752 (OP)
- OP if you care enough about the board to consider a jannie application, do it.
- All frogposts are deleted on sight.
- All wpop posts outside the general are deleted on sight.
Kpop generals are deleted as soon as they hit the bump limit.
- All /pol/ threads are deleted on sight and posters are banned from /mu/.
- Permanent bans for the people that spam pop stuff and Muse (and any other flavour of the month shit).
- Cruise the /gg/ thread for the biggest schizos and ban them from /mu/.
- Ban the Nazi metal posters in /metal/ so that they go back to /pol/.
- More stickies for dead musicians.
- Better jannies that actually care about the board.
- People return to shaming shit music like nu metal, pop rap and current Slop 40 music.

OP if you care enough about the board to consider a jannie application, do it.

- All frogposts are deleted on sight.
- All wpop posts outside the general are deleted on sight.
- Kpop generals are deleted as soon as they hit the bump limit.
- All /pol/ threads are deleted on sight and posters are banned from /mu/.
- Permanent bans for the people that spam pop stuff and Muse (and any other flavour of the month shit).
- Cruise the /gg/ thread for the biggest schizos and ban them from /mu/.
- Ban the Nazi metal posters in /metal/ so that they go back to /pol/.
- More stickies for dead musicians.
- More jannies that care about the board.
- People return to shaming shit music like nu metal, pop rap and current Slop 40 music.

>>127706576
>Ban the Nazi metal posters in /metal/ so that they go back to /pol/.

Nah, fuck you. I will post NS Metal whether you like it or not.

yejibros in every thread

I wouldn't. I would simply listen which is what no one else did..

>>127706719
You do anyway. I just want you fucked off this board because you're not even a real fan of music, you just think it's cool to post your stupid political symbols so you can signify that you're part of the same midwit club as other midwits like you. You are a pathetic loser that has co-opted a non-political space just so you can try and belong to a Nazi club.

>>127698752 (OP)
I would create a /mu/ token on the ethereum blockchain to reward amusing posts. Such an incentive would attract quality new users to the site, who would quickly acclimate themselves to the board culture. Maybe even improve it

>>127698752 (OP)
A lot of us are feeling this board has gone to absolute shit. We can all agree on a lot of the common problems that have plagued this board but most of us are falling into apathy and nihilism.

>K-Pop general (up to 12 active at once) and Mod corruption
>Shilling and astroturfing
>Poptimism and the cultural displacement of rock music and traditional music criticism
>Low effort posting
>Irony poisoning
>Lack of new OC
>A lack of concentrated effort for curation and putting anons onto music.

I have a couple of ideas into we can improve the board so I'm wondering what you all think.

>More scene generals like the Australian thread to help kick starts localized scenes that haven't been formed elsewhere.
>Regular sharethreads
>The relentless bullying of shills and related music like Haunted Mound, the "2021 underground", Digighouls, Drizzybots, Sabrina The Teenage DJ along with the pop whores like Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter
>An effort to actually get inside the mod team and wead out corruption.
>the revival of board generals and bringing old obscurities like Memphis Tapes, rare emo singles and forgotten Soundcloud stuff back into the board consciousness. /core/ and /shugazi/ are up sometimes. good to see
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1HkipeBXaIwCyq8rYL7gio?si=3cb661f0f0ea45ab
>An effort to properly canonize Rock albums released in the 21st century
>Building foundations to eventually allow Zalphas or Gen Alpha to step in and drive board culture and what they decide to do with Zoomers.
>Efforts to facilitate high quality discussion
>An acknowledgement in how the last 8 years of intergeneration conflict come about and has still continued without holding back any bullshit. To maturely take losses where necessary on both ends.

Any ideas?

>kpop
>>127698797
>>127698902
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>>127708388
Kpop truly has ruined this board. Give them their own. Every single member of each group doesn't need a goon general

>>127708388
My words are in here lol

Kpop needs its own board but it's never going to happen, this website only added new boards when it was still alive and not dead. We literally have 6 boards dedicated to videogames, a board dedicated to My Little Pony (An online fandom that hasn't been relevant in 10 years at this point) a board for fucking V-tubers, but we will never get a board for K-pop, because all the boards I just mentioned were only added when this website was more relevant than it is now.

>>127708419
keep up the good work, you've started a fire

>>127698752 (OP)
Delete kpop, wpop, anything which just spams images
Permaban the /gg/ bots and schizos so musicians can actually speak there again
Ban the schizos from /prod/ that only exist to demotivate and derail
Ban "it clicked" style posts
Autosage "rap" and poptimist threads
Actually remove off-topic threads

lurking in important thread

>>127708428
Thanks man

>>127708426
To drive home my point even further, the reason we have an MLP board was because people on /co/ were sick of seeing constant threads about that shit, same reason we have 6 videogame boards, in order to contain the endless generals that were on /v/
Following the same logic, we should've gotten a kpop board 5 fucking years ago, but again, the current administration just isn't interested in adding new boards to this website.

>>127708388
(1/2)
>More scene generals like the Australian thread to help kick starts localized scenes that haven't been formed elsewhere.
Yes, I think this is good. I'm happy to contribute or make a new thread when it slides if there's demand. I don't have much connection to the Aussie scene since around 2018, though. I was also more in the east coast post-rock/prog scene than the indie one. Obviously if there are any new scenes elsewhere, these should get posted about.

>Regular sharethreads
I think there isn't much point unless there's a big shift in the userbase over to using music files instead of streaming. I've tried to make a few sharethreads and post albums in sharethreads other people have made, and people barely even say thanks, and probably most people don't even download anything.

>The relentless bullying of shills and related music like Haunted Mound, the "2021 underground", Digighouls, Drizzybots, Sabrina The Teenage DJ along with the pop whores like Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter
Yeah, they should be pushed out. Either people have to absolutely harass them, or be on the same page with letting the threads slide over and over and over. Probably the latter works, because they want a reaction and having a thread slide is fucking demoralising.

>the revival of board generals and bringing old obscurities like Memphis Tapes, rare emo singles and forgotten Soundcloud stuff back into the board consciousness. /core/ and /shugazi/ are up sometimes. good to see
I think people are a little bit hungry for this, but it'll take more time and momentum. People clearly like the /shugazi/ thread and that should continue to be around.

(2/2)
>>127708388
>An effort to properly canonize Rock albums released in the 21st century
Strongly needed, and definitely some digging will be required to separate the good from the bad. It's not enough to pick Squid, Black Midi or Greep and call it a day. There is good stuff out there. I have had some alright results looking through Bandcamp myself, but definitely more exploring needed to find actual classics. While I think we should expect better posting from people, the "fair payment" for that would be a well explored canon of new good music, which is not currently available from looking through Spotify or RYM. I think this sort of posting we have now is essentially drought or off-season posting. The way people post on here annoys the absolute fuck out of me, but on some level, I don't blame people.

>Building foundations to eventually allow Zalphas or Gen Alpha to step in and drive board culture and what they decide to do with Zoomers.
Right, this is where my own head is at. I am getting on in age and I'll be married shortly and so I can't contribute here forever. I want to basically help clear the shit out and help create the backdrop for younger people to search and spread good music, which then affects the other music sites in the ecosystem.

>Efforts to facilitate high quality discussion
I bump and participate in effort post threads and I will continue to do so. Other people should too.

>An acknowledgement in how the last 8 years of intergeneration conflict come about and has still continued without holding back any bullshit. To maturely take losses where necessary on both ends.
The earlier zoomers and millennials are going to end up scooped up together anyway as the current teenagers clown on both. Something will change as zoomers start hitting their 30s. I also believe zoomers are a product of their environment to some extent and would probably contribute in a better way if the board was different to how it is now.

>>127698797
Trvth nvke

Mandatory share threads where you can illegally download music until Hiroshimoot dies in a shootout with the RIAA's hired thugs

>>127698752 (OP)
/mu/tants need to be properly educated on how to enjoy, collect and organise collections of classical and electronic music. I'd honestly love to see more threads from all three genres, but they all have various barriers to entry, and the classical general is super hit and miss, with lots of faggots posting Wagner or just shitposting with various nonsense. Electronic music at a level of actual ravers, DJs and sceneheads seems cool and definitely still niche. I'd say classical and electronic are also the genres that would benefit most from sharethreads, ideally in FLAC.

>>127698752 (OP)
/mu/tants need to be properly educated on how to enjoy, collect and organise collections of classical and electronic music. I'd honestly love to see more threads from those genres, but they have various barriers to entry, and the classical general thread is super hit and miss, with lots of faggots posting Wagner or just shitposting with various nonsense.

Electronic music at the actual raver and DJs level seems cool and definitely still niche. I don't mean Burial, IDM and breakcore, I mean stuff like jungle, garage, breakbeat, acid, deep house, bass, minimal techno, etc. I'd say classical and electronic are also the genres that would benefit most from sharethreads, ideally in FLAC.

Make it invite only. I am in charge of the invitationd.

>>127698752 (OP)
bump

Currently 15 active Kpop generals btw

>>127706576
I’ll take every pop slop, RYM and Fantano thread in exchange for only one Kpop general allowed with like a 1k post cap on it for containment. I yearn for what we complained about in years past nowadays

End zoomer tourism. Overnight all the Top 40 slop worship goes away and then my goes back to discovering left of the dial type shit.

>>127712176
Then */mu goes back to

I work on it day by day posting threads on good albums. It's YOU that refuse to bump the good threads and instead act like mucore was never good

Make a damn Korean board already this k-pop shit is starting to stink up tv too

getting rid of kpop is literally one of the lowest priorities. just use filters and you never have to see them.

time machine, but I go back to when we had webrings and being an edgy angry retard was a funny curiousity instead of the default online personality

>>127712282
this

>>127712281
Filters don't help with sliding. Every k-pop post is the death of another thread.

>>127712613
another shit thread. that's what you shpuld be concerned about is how dogshit the rest of the board is. if you like a thread on page 10, bump it.

Jannie’s deleting truth bombs in this thread?!?

>>127708401
Its because of us Kpopchads that your board has any activity at all. If you got rid of Kpop the board will just be deleted.

You should be thanking us.

>>127713874
not that anon but each time you bump one of ours gets bumped off.

Why do noobs complain about kpoop.
Just use a filter lol. That's definitely a not my problem situation.
Also you don't revive a board by doing something specifically, you still have the same posters.
It doesn't work like that, you can't artificially improve a culture, it either happens on its own or it doesn't

the main problem is modern music sucks so there is nothing new to talk about
there is nothing we can do to fix that

sometimes the discussions on here are so retarded that i dont even know what side im supporting

>>127713893
our average thread deserves to get bumped off

>>127713987
The main problem is actually ignorant posters like you are in the majority. You don't like what you're spoonfed, complain endlessly about it, but don't go find the good new releases on your own.

>>127714193
indie spirit and DIY died with the hipsters outside of bedroom pop and soundcloud rap

>>127708499
>>An effort to properly canonize Rock albums released in the 21st century
>Strongly needed, and definitely some digging will be required to separate the good from the bad. It's not enough to pick Squid, Black Midi or Greep and call it a day. There is good stuff out there. I have had some alright results looking through Bandcamp myself, but definitely more exploring needed to find actual classics. While I think we should expect better posting from people, the "fair payment" for that would be a well explored canon of new good music, which is not currently available from looking through Spotify or RYM. I think this sort of posting we have now is essentially drought or off-season posting. The way people post on here annoys the absolute fuck out of me, but on some level, I don't blame people.
>>Building foundations to eventually allow Zalphas or Gen Alpha to step in and drive board culture and what they decide to do with Zoomers.
>Right, this is where my own head is at. I am getting on in age and I'll be married shortly and so I can't contribute here forever. I want to basically help clear the shit out and help create the backdrop for younger people to search and spread good music, which then affects the other music sites in the ecosystem.

The old ethos failed and died, the canon needs to be redone from the ground up by people who aren't beholden to the corpse which is the standards laid down by the boomers. Too few people these days however are capable of being musical Ubermenschen, creating a fresh new aesthetics appropriate for the zeitgeist. Certainly not /mu/ngrels.

>>127714275
The old ethos didn't fail, the board got too large an injection of newfags that didn't know the culture and vastly outnumbered the people that were still on the board. The old culture got totally displaced, and the newfags made most of the oldfags leave.

There's honestly nothing wrong with adding to the continuity rather than replacing it completely. But new albums from all across time could still be found and added to the canon. I think that's the best approach overall.

/mu/ should be used to compile and continue to find the absolute best music created by humans as AI music is now starting to poke out into normieland. All the normies are going to form the in-group of AI music listening mental invalids. It'll become the most contrarian thing in a decade to listen to human made music, and so it's the exact position 4chan and /mu/ should be taking.

>>127708388
Long live /shugazi/, /metal/, /jazz/, /gg/, etc.
I see there is a country and goth general as well. This is how we fight back

>>127714248
and besides, even if there is worthy music out there, how the fuck are you going to bring it up here with the fever-pitch paranoia around "shilling" and "astroturfing" that has sunk its teeth into the entire site

>>127715203
generals, chart threads and sharethreads

joe litrenta seems to have been given a timeout, so continuing that indefinitely would be a start

>>127715565
charts are probably the most subtle and effective way to shill, but I'm not sure how many people actually prostrate before authoritatively posturing charts these days

>>127698752 (OP)
Ban all politically motivated discourse.

>>127700147
this

>>127715150
you're missing the point; you're talking about "best" as if there is an acceptable standard to refer to, "objective"-considerable or not—which there isn't

whatever standards existed failed by virtue of the fact they are no longer adhered to; if such a standard lacks solidity-and-longevity in the face of changing landscapes and mounting criticisms, then it shall crumble, be abandoned, and die—which all they more or less have

you want to talk about old /mu/, most of their canon now gets called lowtest and listless in 202X and gets taken for a joke, as is everything else in the vain of that which was explicitly named; /mu/-core and its relevance has esconced to RYM and Fantano, which are here now dismissed and derided as hiveminded

all this to say, there is nothing to return to, to turn, to go back to, to take up, which will possess whatever vital and invigorating enculturing spirit this thread's premise imagines there to have been or not far around the bend

>>127715841
*in the vein

jfc whiny little bitch thread. cant wait for taylors album and more screeching from you losers

Ban all K-pop threads and permaban any avatarfags

>>127698752 (OP)
too late. RIP /mu/

The sad thing is the death of /mu/ can be seen all over the Internet, you see zoomers posting old /mu/ charts on reddit and TikTok like they're ancient scrolls from a long lost age. Lots of young people want to get into music but the problem is there's no new "scenes," it's just copying older bands and scenes and aesthetics.

The board is so primed for negativity because of viral content that if you make a thread that's just about earnestly enjoying something, you'll barely even get trolled, your thread just gets ignored.

Either every thread about new music has to be framed negatively to get engagement, or almost the entire userbase needs to be primed somehow to respond to positivity. I don't think it's realistic to expect the latter, so anyone making threads about good music they found needs to be more cunning, at least for now.

>>127698752 (OP)
if it has /general/ in the title then it automatically goes to the last page of the catalog and stays there

The majority of posters in this thread are part of the problem. Sharethreads have been mentioned a few times. They regularly fall of the board. Where was everybody to at least bump the threads? Automatic ban for frogposts, anybody using the words zoomer, boomer, slop, etc and so on

>>127716093
>The sad thing is the death of /mu/ can be seen all over the Internet, you see zoomers posting old /mu/ charts on reddit and TikTok
Which may suggest this environment itself is a problem.

>like they're ancient scrolls from a long lost age
Which is ironic considering this board itself by and large no longer respects those charts. Which *that* suggests that /mu/ is avant-garde and those charts are outdated and abandoned. The reverence shown elsewhere can be viewed as nothing more than rhetorical ethos, deference to an idol one is yet too inexperienced to behold in all its inglory. That the mere context of a chart purporting to contain the essentials of music which lays far beyond your yet-lived experiences, in addition to an already sizable and consistent stream of thronging proselytizing adherents, is enough to convince a novice to believe in the validity of that list and warp their own psychology to fit it.

>Lots of young people want to get into music but the problem is there's no new "scenes,"
New scenes and subcultures are never handed down, they were always invented by a contingent of a micro-generation 25 and younger at the time of genesis whose collective unconscious effervesced and manifested as mutually agreeable material symbolics and semantic themes, often highly contextualized to the broader surrounding sociological conditions of the era, and usually only loosely threaded to similar cultural predecessors. It all however required a vital spirit willing to create ex nihilo guided by little but the impulses of one's soul, willing to beat loud enough on its own to attract community in the best case scenario or at the least attention in the worst. It required a courage and imaginativeness without which nothing new can come into being and establish itself. One cannot rely upon others to do this for them; for one day, without the creators keeping the blood flowing, the movement fizzles into a husk and mere plaything, as the familiars are these days.

>>127708499
>The earlier zoomers and millennials are going to end up scooped up together anyway as the current teenagers clown on both.
Neither you nor I know anything about how Gen A perceives the world and its inhabitants even at this juncture, let alone a few years from now when they shall gain a prominent online voice.

>>127716324
The current teens are the youngest zoomers and oldest alphas, so the voice has already changed to them, and it's what the board currently is. That decrease in rap posts and increase in pop slut posts is them.

>>127716536
Not that anon but teens aren't shilling for pop stars. r/playboicarti is kinda what I think younger zoomers are like imo. Also next year is when we get the first non grey area (caught between two bullshit definitions) Alpha teen

>>127716580
The rap fans anyway I fucked up. The normal ones probably aren't on r/playboicarti just ignore that

>>127716536
Meds.

>>127716701
I'm more of a Sleeping With Ghosts guy.

>>127715748
It's definitely the way that works best. I see stuff from my charts turn up days, weeks or months later, and I don't even post in those threads much.

It makes sense, though. The people that have the most music knowledge, at least enough to make 5x5s or bigger, are also the ones that would be interested in checking out new albums.

>>127700147
>Often inject politics, race, and/or gender into discussions
nigger
>>127716587
not music

more KPOP threads

>>127698752 (OP)
my rambling bullshit posts can kill a thread instantly so just ban me and /mu/ will enter a prosperous golden age

>>127718792
Okay, we need you to start posting in the /pol/ bait and Kpop threads immediately.

Bring back waifuposting(not the /wpop/ kind).

>>127700147
TRVKE

If you make a post and it has a picture of a woman (avatarfagging) then you should get banned
Total Simp Death

>>127720640
What if it's an attractive woman?

>>127720896
Even worse

kpop general has always been here and that is not the problem
it's when you start allowing shit like this >>127712490

We badly need an equivalent to /tv/'s rule that forbids actor/actress discussion irrelevant to roles, and it needs to be viciously enforced for about a month. This covers not just simpposting, but also repetitive garbage threads like "What would Kurt's politics be today?"

>>127703337
you mean telling them what they already know, and have discussed on several occasions? kpg anons know all about the Korean government propping up the industry; they also know all about the payola the labels engage in to boost their numbers. You're not going to btgo and stop cranking it to bogged monsters because their yellow fever is too strong.

>>127721082
Gayest rule that ruined /tv/. Fuck off.

>>127698797
this. the board needs a rule similar to /tv/'s "discussion irrelevant to the roles of the actor/actress". board activity would be reduced by 80% and that is a GOOD THING

>>127721338
>/tv/
>ruin
Good one m9

why do retards pretend like this board wasn’t dead even before poptimism took over

>>127721338
go to /b/ you inveterate gooning faggot

>>127721517
>>127721564
People still don't discuss television and film despite no threads pertaining to discussion of actresses' body of works. It was only ever good when the the catalogue was filled waifuposting and LOST threads.

>>127698752 (OP)
Destroy music streaming services. A lot the reason to use music discussion forums was that, before the spread of shit like Spotify, you had to, more or less, know what you wanted to listen to in advance if you didn’t want to experience turboslop ad-infested radio garbage. It wasn’t JUST about piracy, though that certainly played a part of it, but that you needed to actively look for music that you would be into. Now that is all done for you for very little money compared to having to purchase anything you’re interested in or go out of your way to pirate it.

>>127721535
Best Emma.

thread ran its course already hunh

>>127725072
Nothing will happen. Simply more of these threads until nothing left
>>127721055

>>127698752 (OP)
I've been coming here for 14 years and /mu/ has always been shit

>>127698752 (OP)
every single post must contain the phrase "kate bush" or you get triple range banned for life

Make a Discord server, personally invite only the anons that care and have intelligence and articulation. Make it exclusive. Have them be stuck in the vetting channel, then have them prove it's them by quoting their post and screenshotting the (you), and don't let anyone into the proper server until they pass that vet.

Kick and ban anyone that turns out to be /pol/ shitters, rap or pop posters or those /pol/ metal cunts that only like racist metal. Do that until there is 30-50 people in it, and then decide together how you're make a positive difference.

>>127698752 (OP)
>>127708388
Bring back /mu/chella. Listenalongs are great, or were. I used to DJ on /mu/tant radio and it felt like there was still some good-natured engagement with the music and each other. Try to bring that back.

>>127725995
Oh wow, I forgot about /mu/chella. I'm not sure if it would work anymore, though. People kind of just listen to top 40s music now.

>>127698758
at this point. yeah. /tv/ has more meaningful music discussions than this shit-hole.

>>127726492
I honestly think this place has become a hangout spot for the weaker and less funny posters on /pol/ that can't take the heat. It'd explain the repeated attempts to drown the catalog in blonde female popstars.

Right wingers don't really like music. They like politics at an actual hobby and consumption level, and just listening to some pop music and Nazi stuff like super mid NSBM is enough to satisfy them.

Actually, the political and demographic shift in the userbase has killed almost every board focused around an actual hobby or interest, apart from video games.

/mu/core is a minimum but it needs to be genuine deep cuts like it used to be not 'le popular'
so maybe, genuine deep cuts people don't know or find from online forums but on their own, and actually discuss it instead of just shitpost and go it's shit' which takes 3 seconds and no mental or emotional input at all

>>127713874
Nonsensical argument and you know it. Slower boards than /mu/ would be without kslop exist. Tongue my anus.
>>127708475
I will add MAKE A FUCKING KPOP CONTAINMENT BOARD to every thread I make

>>127713956
This band-aid advice is the "if you don't like it don't buy it" of 4chan. Filters only temporarily make /mu/ better for yourself, until a filter-dodger or a new thing to filter comes up. Then you're playing whack-a-mole with filters, which isn't sustainable for anyone who don't always have the time, patience, and energy.
Plus a lot of anons will interact with obvious bait, spam, etc. within threads anyway (there is a kpop spammer, AIslop spammer, and a techno + other random bullshit spammer within /metal/ for example), meaning you either have to unhide it anyway, or miss chunks of conversation.
No filter can replace the job that a forum moderator is supposed to do.

>>127700790
NTA but artists get no reward.

>>127704934
...and most jannies are kpop gooners :-(

>>127698752 (OP)
Free Lil' tip, free Migo Bliff
Free all my guys, free Problem Child (what)

>>127706719
Go shoot a school, incel loser

>>127715151
>Long live /metal/
fingers fucking crossed, it gets grim though when late nights are mostly one nutcase spamming links and pictures to himself, or others having a spat with said nutcase.
>>127723005
I used to dislike streaming just because of the lack of ownership, the censorship, copyright issues, advertising, monetization schemes, the use of proprietary software, not having the ideal album masters, among other shit, but I'm coming to the same conclusion. Too much convenience kills thought, and so it kills culture.
>>127725851
Discord is AIDS
>>127725995
>Listenalongs
It's a good idea. A few /metal/ guys joined a nightly cytube chatroom for a while, but the site owner disabled unregistered channels because of (I think unrelated) spam and ban-evasion.
What other group listening/watching sites are around?
>>127726574
>Right wingers don't really like music. They like politics at an actual hobby and consumption level, and just listening to some pop music and Nazi stuff like super mid NSBM is enough to satisfy them.
People like this exist, but you hammer the wedges further into the board culture with this comically narrow opinion.
>Actually, the political and demographic shift in the userbase has killed almost every board focused around an actual hobby or interest, apart from video games.
There's been a plague of politics/culture flamewar spillover for sure.

>>127713956
>conveniently forgetting that the multple k-goon threads knock legitmate music threads off the cataloue

>>127698752 (OP)
i would ban all the genres i don't like, bot the genres i love, and advertise

>>127698752 (OP)
Brutally murder in real life everyone who disagrees with me

I'd ban everything that shows up in billboard charts in the current year

>>127708388
I come for /shugazi/ and /jazz/. Thank for doing gods work

Required IQ test where you need to score at least 100 and showcase the ability to either read sheet music or produce music. Those things alone would already create a slow board (which is good) as it would immediately disqualify any parasocial celebrity-worshipping/coomer retard who enjoys top 40s/kpop garbage. You would see a rise of threads about classical music, jazz, traditional folk music, and electronic genres. Not only that, but also more abstract threads about things such as music in general, theory, composition, history, aesthetics, technology, etc.

>>127706576
BASED

>>127706576
>kpop generals deleted as soon as they hit bump limit
you don't hate them nearly enough. TOTAL KPOP DEATH is the only reasonable move going forward

>>127698752 (OP)
Tempted to apply for janitor just to be able to revive this board
>Delete all /pol/ threads
>Delete all gooner threads
>Ban spam or trolls
>Unban posting your own music in threads outside of the shill thread
A more controversial take
>Ban constant dadrock whining (e.g "I miss nirvana bros!!" and "What happened to muh 90's?"

This will be in hopes to try and get people to talk about newer music instead of whining because they can't be 18 listening to Nirvana and other bands when they first released.

The death of sharethreads and the curiosity, exploration and integration they brought was the death knell for this board.

>>127700790
>what's wrong?
Spotify bending the knee to digital ID NWO bullshit and the CEO funding military drone tech.

>>127699037
I'm still trying to look for discussion about new interesting music that isn't reddit

My same answer as always: Total moratorium on low quality bants. I don't even remember when it started anymore but the sudden increase in
>No u
was visible in real time and it never let up. Technically against the rules already but nobody cares to enforce it
>Nah that's you
>But enough about [band no one mentioned]
>We don't sign our posts here
C A N C E R

I know that either a corrupt jannie will be brought to /mu/, or an jannie that actually wants to fix the board will be voted out by the corrupt gooner jannies because it threatens their korean pop girls img spam threads.

ban non-kpop threads

>>127731493
There's a demonically possessed schizophrenic who spams here 24/7 as if his life depends on it. retarded animal

>>127731549
Is it by any chance the one with multiple namefags but they all have the same writing style

>>127731493
so you don't know

>>127731493
There are other iterations of this I won't mention, but I agree. Low IQ, stock replies killed internet banter forever.

application process to post on /mu/ where you are ranked by your musical ability and musical knowledge. Your ranks will be visible, but you will remain otherwise anonymous. You will be allowed to get certifications in certain genres and topics which will also be visible in every post. There will be a database of these certs- and anyone will be allowed to create certifications with their own conditions for their achievement. you will be forced to take the ranking tests each year or face a one year ban.

>>127698752 (OP)
What do we do about the waifufags? Too many to name

>>127731493
we dont sign our posts here

>>127698966
>and kill actual /mu/ threads whenever a new kpoop thread is made.

Fuck you talking about zoomer newfag. How does a containment thread kill other threads? On an already dead board.

Get rid of the containment general and then they’d make 40 threads and then threads actually would get 404’d.

>>127721338
Lmfao that rule is not enforced you little dipshit
>10 billion Elliot Rodgers threads
>20 billion Chris watts threads
>10 trillion Sam Hyde threads

>>127731828
THERE ARE ELEVEN KSHIT THREADS UP RIGHT NOW. eat shit kgoon defender
YOUR STUPID FUCKING IDOLS WOULD SPIT ON YOU

>>127731770
Replace the captcha with an ear training test. Anyone who can't determine a chord and its inversion can't post.

>>127731867
for some threads that may be appropriate, yes. there will still be stupid threads for stupid people, you'll just be able to identify everyone for the absolute fucking plebs they are.

I never wade into k-pop threads because I'm not a drooling mongoloid, but I just checked the most recent one and literally half of the posts is images. Why aren't they pruned for blatant image dump spam?

I used to work in a record store and the most obnoxious cunts were k-pop fans (also the biggest thieves), I can't imagine how sharing a space with these cunts is justified

>>127732214
>Why aren't they pruned for blatant image dump spam?

"4chan is a simple image-based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images."
genius

>>127732214
One or more jans either wants to fuck or wants to be one of these assembly line plastic idols. He (or another anon he defends) avatarfags on /metal/ with popbugs (usually Yeji) and spams tired ritualposts and entire walls of text about old heavy metal musicians like Ozzy Osbourne wearing diapers and shitting themselves, likely a fetishistic projection. Opposing his spam often gets you whacked.
This is that guy's last.fm yearly chart from two years ago. Not much metal to speak of, despite spamming the threads regularly.
Needless to say, the rot is deep.

>>127732241
>>127731863

>>127698758
Delete the entire website

>>127698752 (OP)
It's not worth reviving. /mu/ has always been a reddit board. It doesn't help that there's no good music left to be made, and it's been that way for at least fifteen years. Music is finished.

>>127732411
Not only is your whataboutism retarded, but
>3 threads out of 150
WE MIGHT NOT BE SO PISSED AT YOU IF THIS WERE STILL TRUE. What a fucking self-own, LMAO

>>127732411
Have you actually looked at the catalogue recently? Kpedos doesn't stick to their general anymore, their threads are like half the board. Even worse, they spam kpop shit in completely unrelated threads like the Metal general. It's just as bad as MLP was before they got their own board.

>>127732508
He's not here to argue in any good faith.

>>127732508
I absolutely do support deleting everything other than "kpop general" and banning those posters. I have no fucking idea how on earth the mods allowed things to get so out of hand

>>127732508
>they spam kpop shit in completely unrelated threads like the Metal general
those are just crossposters, do you still not realize the kpg posters also post on the board in general?

>>127732579
Kpop should still be moved to a containment board, but kploppers who can clean the shit off their shoes before entering other /mu/ threads aren't so bad. Like how you're supposed to keep /pol/ in /pol/.

>>127732579
K-pop stans and Swifties are two groups that have almost zero overlap with other scenes, people tend to only listen to K-pop or Taylor Swift and are uneducated on any type of music. It's the equivalent of Marvelfags with movies, the people who only ever watch Marvel movies in theaters but don't support any other movies. "Bubble scenes" like this don't contribute to the health of an art form or platform.

>>127733074
true about taylor swift stuff but completely untrue about kpg, just go there right now and ask them.

>>127732411
(You)
Also, 3? Try 13 gens active. I’ll take every other form of shit post

>>127708388
Thanks for the playlist - no need to return now you’ve got it all covered

/mu/ is sum of its users, you cunts literally want to enforce nazi rules because you’re upset that genres that you don’t like are discussed.

>>127734386
>you’re upset that genres that you don’t like are discussed
Firstly, iToddler detected.
Second, idolfags only listen to the music by circumstance. Like the RAC/NSBMfags who will listen to anything that's racist, no matter how crap or uninspired it is. There is no discussion of music going on in either camp.
Third, something that can only be argued for in terms of tolerance or equality, is trash.
Lastly, and above all, it's your behavior.

>>127722954
>>127734564
who are you talking to?

This board was always garbage

>>127734695
>nothing was EVER good
>no one was EVER happy
sick of this meme

>>127698752 (OP)
>how would you revive /mu/?

I'd spend a month saving up all my farts in a jar then I'd have a nice bowl of cereal.

>>127731259
Keep it in the shill thread you cheap bitch

>>127734691
you need to be 18 y/o to post here

>>127733497
>Also, 3? Try 13 gens active.
are 137 non-kpop threads not enough for you

>>127734739
I accept your concession.
>>127734750
No.

>>127734707
No many boards have had golden eras but this one was ALWAYS terrible

>"this is fine"
generals on a non-general board is spam in my eyes, we need an all-topic general board like vg and trash to send all these generals to

at least the "otk/twitch general" retards on /b/ wait until their thread reaches page 9-10 before making a new thread, these retards wait until bump limit and then immediately make a new one, but the board isnt fast enough to push those old threads down so now you have 10 threads up at once, pathetic stuff.
mods need to fix this bullshit but they wont because they get paid literally *NOTHING*
they do it for FREE

>>127734808
The problem is that for every kpop thread, the kpoopers race to make a new thread and make 3 duplicates that don’t get used. So they just knocked four threads off the catalog, even if they delete their duplicates ( which they suck at doing). And this happens every 30 mins when they need a new thread. It’s churning all the threads down the catalog and it kicks actual music discussion off the board way faster than it should be. All because of the kpop spamming. It would be better if they had 1 general thread with no post limit or at least much higher, like all the video game generals have. Why that isn’t a thing here I don’t know. It seems natural to allow webms with sound on a music board too but we don’t. Mu is really an afterthought compared to all the other boards, this board seems to be run by someone in the kpop threads and the gg schizo so that’s why it especially sucks

>>127734821
hiroshimoot doesnt care for the qol of this site
were just screaming into a void bro

Posters like this fag >>127732674 that just spam the same shit over and over and don’t discuss music need permabanned

>>127734790
You're ignorant. /mu/ had a glorious golden era.

>we need mods/jannies who give a shit

You can see how little they pay attention to the board by looking at the recently deleted in the archive. https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/deleted/deleted/page/1/
There have been 100s of awful spam/coomer/kpop threads in the past few days and almost none of them were cleaned up. Moderation here is almost nonexistent. It’s clearly focused on kpop, and they don’t even do a good job of keeping that contained. Proof we need kpop split off onto another board and real moderation that actually wants to moderate on mu

>>127734821
>>127734808
then post harder you faggots

>>127700147
>shallow social reasons
>genuine motivations
wew lad lmao you had me going there for a minute.

>>127708388
>to maturely take losses where necessary on both ends
lol, lmao even. just casually slipped that one in at the end there huh no big deal

Why is there no Jpop thread on /mu/?

>>127734900
one man cant fight an army of posters that have the jannies on their side
this would be known as "pissing against the wind"

goddamn wanna know why [insert internet space] is dead? it's because it's fucking sucked for like 20 fucking years now or however long it's been since (You) came around. just read up, shit.

>>127734948
why should anyone cater to one man? this is getting ridiculous

>>127734917
I don't get it. Seems like exactly the kind of person we wouldn't want posting here.

>>127735025
because the man is a visionary who will bring quality of life to a land of people who are not bright enough to realize that that's what they've been lacking.

Ban all republicans and chuds

>>127734808
Somehow they're the only threads allowed to not wait until reaching page 10 before making a new thread

For /mu/, it's over. Forget /mu/.
We must have hardcore man-on-man sex to survive.

Or are you not willing to do what it takes?

>>127735114
Go on Bunkerchan if you don't want to see anyone shit on Rage Against The Machine (aka Cringe Against The Machine) or Roger "Pedo Floyd" Waters, fag.

>>127698752 (OP)
I wouldn't do anything, I'd listen to what /mu/ had to say, and that's what no one did

>>127721338
>A rule that made the board stay on topic ruined the board
Lmao

>>127734841
I don’t know how he gets away with it

>>127734841
>>127743502
He’s doing it again >>127742254
Why isn’t this blatant spamming fag permabanned

>>127698752 (OP)
I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.

>>127743919
Wow so original >>127740457

>>127698797

I second this. Please for the love of god, remove anything KPOP related. Give those femcel/koreabo gooners their own fucking board

>>127698752 (OP)
i said this on another thread, but the taylor swift spamming is fucking annoying. its like one schizo replying to himself. that and chapell roan.

>>127745112
> its like one schizo replying to himself
The Emily Armstrong/linkin park threads are like that too

>>127731549
There's a couple of them, I spotted 3 in shifts. One of them is definitely a janny, gave itself away. None of these creatures can bant worth of shit, they just demonpost like it's their job, bait botting.

I was regularly banned every something like two weeks in 2024, for minor shit, login fun/shitpost get banned rinse repeat. This year I haven't been banned, not once for regular offenses. Jannies aren't as anal in '25, since the black out it's been different in this regard. Noticed this happening in other boards. Sliding continues of course, but it's different concerning banning.

>>127745112
>>127745178
The loss of the IP counter was one of the worst things to happen to this site. It's a chicken and egg situation whether staff were hiding the fact that shills and schizospam inflate the posts per hour, or if they did it to enable them so they would inflate it.
>The Emily Armstrong/linkin park threads
Hadn't seen one of those in a bit due to my filters, thought I'd peek in. Idi Amin talking to his freezer of severed heads vibes from that shit. Same for /bleep/ and late night /metal/, who are spammed by the same fucking guy. IYKYK.

>>127745340
> Jannies aren't as anal
maybe the one that banned you on sight has left. There is one that dislikes me that will ban me for literally no reason. They hate when you tell them to do their easy job

>>127734821
>It seems natural to allow webms with sound on a music board too but we don’t
BASED AND TRUTHPILLED. SOMEONE BECOME A MU JANNY AND PUSH FOR AUDIO WEBMS AND A NEW BOARD FOR KPOPPERS

>>127698752 (OP)
inform users that their inferior music is indeed not music

>>127746295
I would clean this place up like you wouldn’t believe. It would be a new music discussion utopia

>>127746295
>>127746335
the problem with tech limitations is that it seems to be a problem of money. gookmoot is extremely cheap and apparently doesn't want to put much capital investment into the site and instead rely on what comes in. if you allow webms with sound here, you'll most likely either have to find a new revenue stream or be prepared pour money into this black pit of a site for a while.

>>127746465
>you'll most likely either have to find a new revenue stream or be prepared pour money into this black pit of a site for a while
That's a good point. I'm assuming since 4chan is wildly known around the internet as a cesspool at best, and the embodiment of the "Darkweb" at worst, no advertiser would dare pay to be on here. So it's wildly unprofitable.

>>127746479
There’s no reason to buy an ad on mu when pieces of shit like bengayfag and bitchell fagzalez freely promote themselves with no repercussions

Move from the “buy an ad” model to the “your music is based/your music is shit, never shill here again” model. i.e. allow shilling, but the music has to be good, otherwise the OP gets eviscerated and personally attacked and this fear pushes the quality up over time.

Enforce banning extremely low quality content posters

>>127747285
>allow shilling, but the music has to be good
This. Having the discussion of self-made music be forced into a general, on a thread ABOUT music is an insane idea.
It's a part of why music discussion has mostly died. Insult the ones who make shit music, praise the ones who make good music.

Also notice mostly only nazi shills and reposters are the only ones left in the shillthreads now, nobody cares to even look in those threads anymore so people who make actually good music know it wont get them any recognition.

>>127747285
>fear
who the fuck is scared of a bunch of 4chan posts

>>127747309
>who the fuck is scared of a bunch of 4chan posts
You forget people still refer to this place as "the hacker known as 4chan".
The average joe thinks this visiting this place will give him malware and have 30 hackers instantly invade his ring camera to upload his bank details for the world to see

>>127747296
Yup. Like this fag >>127742254

>>127747285
>>127747302
Just keep it in the shill thread. Nobody likes retards that spam the catalog with self promotion.

kpg won
mu lost

ill fucking ban the smiths/morrisey threads.

>>127747353
>Nobody likes retards that spam the catalog with self promotion
Would be far better than the current spam we have. Everyone complains about no new music yet new music is confined to a thread nobody gives a shit about.

>>127747309
Having music that you made getting ripped on is the difference here. If you put effort in and think it’s good and you get a reality check instead of praise, it really hurts.

>>127747732
who gives a fuck what others think, keep making stuff that you like and represents you

>>127747777
>t. makes awful music

>>127747797
i have the digits and you dont

>>127747837
Good for you

>>127698752 (OP)
We demand more 2hollis threads!

>>127698966
>IP counter
what was the reason to get rid of it?

>>127748034
"BIG CHEESE", which if not just incomprehensible fuck-you-peasant jibberish, is usually interpreted as "it was a direct order from Hiroyuki", probably to make viral marketing/botting/etc harder to spot and call out.

>>127698752 (OP)
Every thread MUST state clearly the artist and album being discussed, with at least one audio example posted

>>127698797
>Remove all kpop threads.
remove the threads of the most active community? that's just as stupid as saying No Country, No Black Metal, etc.

>>127748265
>kpop general
>community

>>127706576
>Ban the Nazi metal posters in /metal/ so that they go back to /pol/
Hypocrisy at its finest

>>127748542
I don’t think that word means what you think it means

>>127747777
it's not the simple anon. you sound like someone who has never created anything let alone opened it up to criticism to the entire world.

>>127751246
that* simple

>>127748258
That would make the board a bit dry, but it WOULD cut out a lot of bullshit.

>>127698752 (OP)
First, recognize that the problem is the music, that sucks, not the people themselves 2) put more effort into answering threads, otherwise this place is dead, 3) discuss GOOD music, 80% of the music discussed here sucks, change that asap, 4) recommend more, if you want new people to come, you need to give them a reason to, and 5) don't shit on people's taste just cuz its "pleb" (unless it's rap)

>>127752666
I would love to know what you've been listening to lately, Anon.

>>127747637
Absolutely based. No one likes them.
(Except for that one nerd constantly spamming them of course - but I'm pretty sure that's Morrissey.)

>>127752795
10/10 albums that I, unfortunately, only recently discovered. they're so amazing, they blew my mind, and immediately entered my top 10 best albums ever.

>>127751246
and you sound like a lil bitch

>>127752866
Didn't really answer my question what it is you're listening to, but good for you.

>>127752798
Go home, Abdul

>>127748265
Spam isn't community, most of the threads are just one or two people dumping photos with zero discussion. I'd argue that the K-pop threads are significantly worse than MLP ever was, and they were given their own board.

>>127754305
Yeah, idolfags are the bronies of /mu/. They should be ridiculed with this truth everywhere they post.