Thread 127805982

>horrible production
>headache-inducing annoying noisy sounds
>shitty singers
>no consistency
>simple boring melodies that go for far too long
>bunch of nothing songs
>bunch of annoying songs
>outdated sounds even at the late 60s
>non-sensical out there lyrics
>hipster garbage
>somehow considered one of the greatest albums of all time, influencing hundreds of bands

how? how did they do it? was it the CIA?

op is gay and sucks a lot of dicks

>>127805982 (OP)
based

>>127805982 (OP)
You have to look at it in context. This album could easily pass for something released in the late 80s or early 90s. No one else at the time was doing anything musically that sounded even remotely like what the VU were doing, and it would still be well over a decade before anyone even STARTED sounding like them.

There are few albums in rock history (or even music history in general) that are as objectively ahead of their time as this one. That alone is worthy of immense praise, never mind the fact that you're wrong and the album sounds fucking great even ignoring all of the history.

>>127805982 (OP)
OP is bait, but remember that if you get filtered by TVU, you're never gonna make it

>>127808529
>This album could easily pass for something released in the late 80s or early 90s
That rancid shit?

>>127805982 (OP)
To truly experience this album, you have to be at the car wash. That's how Lou intended it to be heard.

>>127808529
>could easily pass for something released in the late 80s or early 90s
lmao no

People back then weren't as attuned to the perils of marketing, psychology, media, propaganda, and technology. They thought the banana was real.

>>127808529
Boomers actually think this

>>127805982 (OP)
wrong

>>127808570
>>127808623
>>127808822
Heroin, Venus in Furs, All Tomorrow's Parties, etc. have FAR more in common sonically and lyrically with the alt-rock scene of the late 80s than they do with the psychedelic and experimental rock scene of the late 60s.

>>127805982 (OP)
Yeah, I hesitate to say this is the most baffling music press darling to me. Because there's worse shit like Spirit They've Vanished, TPAB, Long Season, etc.
But I understand all those because of their high concepts and attempts at high art, which TVUN just doesn't do, it's not experimental, except in it's best song. Just don't take the establishment or the RYM ratings seriously.

>>127808891
and only because of the relevance and influence of the VU&nico album dumbass

you are so fucking ignorant

>>127809027
So, clearly, if bands in the late 80s were more drawn to and influenced by them than contemporary bands, they were objectively ahead of their time, dipshit.

>>127808948
>Spirit They've Vanished
How is this a press darling? MPP is their most championed by far. Also I'd hardly call it an attempt at high art when it's just two kids fucking around writing songs about being kids and adding weird noise to it.
>Long Season
Not really a press darling. More of a RYM darling, really. Also genuinely both as good as they say and pretty accessible.

>>127808948
What other rock bands were using prepared pianos at the time? Composing songs for controlled feedback? Downtuned toms? Just because you know nothing about the album's production, doesn't mean it wasn't experimental

>>127809106
lmao cooked his ass

It will be the year 2085 and idiots will be posting ‘I don’t like classic album bwaaa’ and other idiots will try to convince OP of the opposite like it mattered. Worst kind of thread on mu

>faggot zoomie got filtered, overwhelmed and had a panic attack
>"it's annoying and hipster-ish!"
what a whiny, clueless faggot. kill yourself.

>>127809045
>they were objectively ahead of their time
And that's a bad thing because their time was better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nSSaUV_GCg
Bugger off, proto-zoom-zoom hipster millennitard

>>127809175
I can't believe you're so retarded that you thought I was insulting them by saying they were ahead of their time. Absolute brainlet.

>>127809106
Pianos were quite common in rock music since its inception and before in blues and rockabilly. Prepared is kinda irrelevant, it's what slightly different sounding/off key from the piano they started with which is more different to other pianos that were used than to a "prepared" version of itself.
"Composing for controlled feedback" is just dancing around feedback which lots of rock bands were doing. Just because TVU might've brought attention to it almost any rock band would have still tried to account for the feedback spilling over if it sounds like shit.
Downtuned toms... really bruh?

>>127809201
Incomprehensible garbage.

>>127809372
>"Composing for controlled feedback" is just dancing around feedback which lots of rock bands were doing.
name three

>>127809372
Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

>>127808529
>the album sounds fucking great
it sounds liek crap, objectively bad

5 years before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mqvlUs3Yx8
it was a reactionary move towards noise and barbarism, holy shit fuck the banana

TL;DR
https://mailstar.net/glass-bead-game.html

>>127809708
Circus music corporate pop with movie sound effects. You are a clown.

I respect the album for how groundbreaking it was but I really don't like it

>>127809708
I don't know how you can say this when it has songs like Femme Fatale, I'll Be Your Mirror and Sunday Morning, which are all pretty middle of the road pop songs. Sure, Black Angel's Death Song and European Son are a little more avant-garde, but not by much.

>>127809798
>corporate
Bugger off, gommie :DDD

>>127808529
>guys guys people were also putting out pure shit in the 80s and 90s
>and this album was shit earlier than that guys
>>127809106
>guys look they did some really crazy and nutty things like using instruments that sound like shit
Not convinced. /mu/fags will defend anything

>>127810181
What's wrong with corporations, really
https://www.nickconedera.com/blog/2016/1/7/warhol-on-business-art

Corporate music is pure, distilled kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt16eGhsiGg

>>127805982 (OP)
The artist's name on the cover should tell you all you need to know. This album was pioneered by, and succeeded among, a scene of New York socialites at the peak of that city's wealth, prestige and influence. It IS New York, The Album. Anyone who goes for music for capital-I Identification with high-status cultural symbols and/or treats it as a proxy fashion accessory for cultural movements (Rolling Stones/Scaruffi types) has a mandate of conscience to praise it.
As for why it succeeded back then in the first place, well, they didn't exactly have the Internet back then to know when something is not particularly innovative or noteworthy in relation to less publicized albums from elsewhere. Distribution was king, and being at the world's premiere financial center sure helped with that.

>>127810629
>As for why it succeeded back then in the first place
You don't know what you're talking about. It literally didn't succeed.

>>127810629
You're a midwit and a pseud.

>>127808529
>be well over a decade before anyone even STARTED sounding like them.
from the year after TVU&N came out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgrXhcERQ8