Thread 128337150

ITT: albums to play before killing yourself

I get depressed and ill people etc but if you're not depressed, why would you kill yourself? You have no idea of what awaits you in the other side. Some people presume that their senses cease and their suffering stops completely and automatically. But it's not rational to presume that.

>>128337150 (OP)
Is Ian posting from the afterlife?

>>128337256
I just want a thread about albums people played before killing themselves, or albums you'd play before you did. Personally I couldn't hang myself because the thought of being slightly conscious and aware of my dying body or atleast the moments before the body and brain are completely dead from asphyxia bothers me. Like the agonal breathing phase or whatever happens after the point of no return, there's gotta be a moment where you're forced to rethink your decision and either fight it or leave life and the people who knew you altogether. I don't want to experience life after an attempt and never really want to find out what it feels like to die from asphyxia. Even with a gun I feel like you still live for a bit after shooting through your head, at least until your body went cold and most of the blood already poured out. I doubt it's like going to sleep without having a dream. Opioid OD seens the most cozy since you'd feel too good to care that you stopped breathing

>>128337502
The vast majority of people who attempt suicide and live experience an instant intense regret. And the vast majority don’t attempt it again.

>>128337150 (OP)
*ahem*

why did Ian Curtis kill himself while listening to The Idiot?

cos he didn't have Lust For Life

>>128337502
But even if you pressed the death button and "died" instantly and without suffering, now you're at the other side where anything could happen. Of course absence of senses and perception is a possibility. But unless you're a badass philosopher who's reached the answer to what is there after death, eternal torture, becoming a living being (the so-called "reincarnation") with a life of more suffering, extreme physical suffering like a pig that gets immobilized and castrated by knife without anesthesia are possibilities too. I like the fact that I'm alive because I have relative control over my suffering and a comfortable position compared to those of other people (Junko Furuta style or anyone tortured by factions/gangs) or animals who surely have lives much more cruelly suffered, frightful and anxious than mine. Also now I have the possibility to think about answers for philosophical questions that stay on my mind, which maybe would be more difficult to do if I were a tree, or maybe even if I were dead and that meant no possibility of thinking or sensing reality.

>>128337611
Good one lol.

not quite sure how the Idiot is a kill yourself album, it was a late night drug party album for me

>>128337256
>>128337725
Looking at it purely logically and rationally, there really isn't any reason to still believe in any kind of afterlife in 2025. We've just figured too much shit out, so much of what science tells us goes directly most against religion and spirituality or at the very least it makes it obsolete. It has never been proven that there is something inside you that could "go somewhere" once you die, it has never been proven that there is a "place to go". The only way to you could consider an afterlife is through faith, but logic and reason has already rejected that possibility decades ago.

>>128338347
>It has never been proven that there is something inside you that could "go somewhere" once you die, it has never been proven that there is a "place to go".
You don't disappear, do you? If you did, I agree that annihilationism would sound more likely. But if you consider that you don't, you're just changing form and place. Philosophers discuss panpsychism to this day. The idea of consciousness has possibly never been more debated and studied (by neuroscientists, IT researchers, biologists etc). Not religious, dogmatic people. Remember Bertrand Russell was atheist.
>The only way to you could consider an afterlife is through faith
The idea of zero perpection always seemed nonsense to me. If solipsism is the case, would that imply the whole world ceasing to exist when you "died"? So all objects that existed would be transformed into nothingness? Seems a strange, unlikely concept to me. And if solipsism isn't the case, who's gonna sense the reality after you "die"? I don't know, could be any thing in the universe. Because depending on your position on epistemology, the world only exists if it's observed by someone. So someone would have to do that job. And I wouldn't enjoy being someone in a bad position. So while I am in doubt on what is death like exactly, I don't think moving from this body is safe, basically.

>>128338679
>If solipsism is the case, would that imply the whole world ceasing to exist when you "died"? So all objects that existed would be transformed into nothingness?
Just your experience will be gone. The objective reality will always exist, just not in the form a human experiences it. It will just be undefined, uncategorised and meaningless, but not non-existant.
>So while I am in doubt on what is death like exactly, I don't think moving from this body is safe, basically.
Why do you assume you can move from thid body? You are this body. Are you trying to say that because the universe needs to be observed to exist according to you, that you will start to experience the perception of another body after death? How does that make sense?

>>128337256
>You have no idea of what awaits you in the other side.
how could it be worse than our current reality?

>>128338045
Ian Curtis hung himself with The Idiot on his turntable

>>128338784
>Just your experience will be gone. The objective reality will always exist, just not in the form a human experiences it. It will just be undefined, uncategorised and meaningless, but not non-existant.
I'm not sure what is to "exist" or what is "reality". Sometimes I think empiricism is the case. Not that I'm sure of it. But if you're not experiencing anything, how could you know or prove that anything exists?
>Why do you assume you can move from thid body?
Because if changes are real, I could become another completely different object in another point of the universe.
>You are this body.
Maybe now, but who knows what I will be after all the changes this body will undergo? Today I'm a dude. Some time after my death I can be an ant, a fish. My body is already not the same as it was ten seconds ago. It changes, becomes something else... Who knows where I'll end up?
>Are you trying to say that because the universe needs to be observed to exist according to you, that you will start to experience the perception of another body after death?
Yes, and that new body could be related materially or not to my current one. That is, it could be a continuation of all particles that once were me (like my ashes getting dispersed here and there), or simply "me waking up in another person's body", although I have no idea how this second option might happen.

>>128338811
Be imaginative, see >>128337725.

>>128338045
Ian Curtis was a fag. You posted the rest answer.

That would make me want to? Loads. Just go down the pub and hear it and think fuck this.

I don't know just listen to the wind or a clock ticking or something.

Do not hurt yourself, or other people.

>>128337502
>there's gotta be a moment where you're forced to rethink your decision and either fight it or leave life and the people who knew you altogether

I mean it doesn't have to be a decision if you don't want it to be

>>128338347
your brain dumps enough chemicals at the time of death to easily give you a time dilated trip
if nothing else you get that

>>128337256
>why would you kill yourself
Because life sucks and then you die, so logically it's efficient to get it out of he way.

>>128337611
Underrated

Specifically this one would be my choice (even though I have no desire to largely for what >>128337256 says)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj0KO2YldCo

>>128347104
Death can be worse. You're shooting in the dark. Playing the lottery.

>>128337150 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6hodGbt_lA&pp=ygUTamFnb2RlIHUgZ3JsdSB6b3Jhbg%3D%3D