Thread 128406878

>>128406878 (OP)
Correct.

>>128406878 (OP)
When /mu/ needed him the most... he disappeared...

>>128409120
He can't resurface for too long until people start posting cringy old forum posts

>>128409667
it's literally one obsessive cyberstalker

Do you think he took the catters loss at this year's granny hard, or is he wearing that ironically?

I like when he mentions a band and says
>man fuck that fucking shit
>we knew that shit sucked
>nobody liked them
>fucking poser retards
>fucking dipshits
and you just kind to have to take it on faith.

>>128412071
Are they also all your favorite bands?

>>128406878 (OP)
Its a long a brutal road if you want to make it the arts

>>128412071
I love how he's always saying it about some perfectly fine band like Sleigh Bells or something.

>>128406878 (OP)
Who?

>>128412071
Never heard him say "poser retards," but yeah he talks like his and his friends' experiences growing up on the east coast as if that represents what was going on in all of music and makes him come off as a grumpy old man

But now that I'm old I find myself getting annoyed by zoomer revisionism, like how Chris gets triggered by millennials talking about Gen X music

>>128412071
>You know who liked Pearl Jam? Girls. Girls liked Pearl Jam.

what’s with all the ott posting recently? zoomers discovered him?

Im on spotify now

when I realiEd that a lot of his favorite bands were just Boston bands from when he grew up (Letters to Cleo, Lemonheads, Juliana Hatfield) I lost a little respect for him, especially when he makes fun of very similar bands from other regions

>>128419192
I don't think he ever hid the fact that he liked that stuff because they were from his area. You also have to remember he came from a time when people still gave a shit about the bands from their city and there was sense of local pride for your indie scene.

>>128418869
Deftones is modern day Pearl Jam

I will forever be jealous of how people discovered new muisc pre internet. It seemed so much more fun and rewarding. Just going to a record store and an ancient hipster hands you a swell maps cassette that blows your mind

>>128419192
i strongly doubt that letters to cleo is one of ott's favs

>>128406878 (OP)
Southie says what?

>>128419452
I used to read about out of print albums for months before I'd find someone who'd tape me a copy. Exciting times.

>>128418733
>like how Chris gets triggered by millennials talking about Gen X music
How? Millennials grew up listening to music from Gen Xers. Zoomers are the only revisionists

>>128419452
Yeah unless you lived far from a major city, then you had jack shit.

>>128406878 (OP)
except Boomers could write the most simple riffs and melodies and make bank because they were simply the first to do it.

>>128419663
more like they didn't care if they were first and didn't expect to get sued if they weren't.

>>128419491
he loves Aurora Gory Alice at least, remember him talking about it on one of the Used CDs streams

>>128419570
you are so stupid

>>128419905
Not an argument, there also wasn't any intergenerational conflict like the retard zoomies brought on

>>128418733
Source?

>>128419570
>Millennials grew up listening to music from Gen Xers

Yeah exactly. One example I can think of is Nine Inch Nails and how millennials view Trent Reznor as some kind of auteur when to him it was mallgoth shit

>>128419636
Print media was important back then, My dad is a boomer who grew up in the middle of nowhere and he had King Crimson records

>>128421430
king crimson was on island records, they had good distribution. we're talking about "cool underground" shit.

>>128418733
>zoomer revisionism
Give an example.

>>128422716
Who is this guy?

>>128418869
>What I meant to say was my girlfriend liked Pearl Jam...

>>128422716
Duster being a thing

Maybe this is some point of reference for what moderately successful musicians make.
I had dinner with a lead guitarist and drummer for a band that had a big hit in the early 70's (top 5 in US). The drummer is pulling $80k per year for playing with the band. Sometimes these guys pick up royalties for projects they work on too.
I also met a bassist for a much bigger artist from the 80's and I don't know what he makes, but he has made enough to have some rental properties in the LA area.
One thing these guys do get is a whole lot of pussy. If you're not in it for the pussy then I don't really know why someone would want to be a musician for a living.
None of these guys are original band member btw.

Chris is right about mostly everything. He'll sperg out on some Gen X shit everyone once and a while and be cringe, but other than that he's solid.

>>128406878 (OP)
Is that the weirdo guitar Youtuber who thinks he knows best?

>>128415604
Sleigh Bells fucking suck.

>>128418895
God i wish. Maybe they'd stop pretending fucking dogshit early 2000s pop punk is good.

>>128422716
That nu metal was anything but popslop for retarded white trailer trash and normies. And that includes Deftones, which nobody ever liked until internet losers pretended they were good starting in like 2013.

Would chris be pro or anti cameron winter/geese?

>>128425811
>rich kids dicking around

>>128425811
He'd bring up that they're basically the zoomer Clap Your Hands Say Yeah

>>128425811
He wouldn't talk about them at all. He pretty much stopped talking about new music in like 2013.

>>128412071
>that cd was sent to me when i was a music director and i threw it in a fucking box

>>128409667
We all have forum posts we arent proud of Chris, fuck the haters. I will defend you to the ends of the earth

>>128425999
I can only assume the reason you don't hear this comparison as often as you should is that zoomers have never heard of CYHSY

>>128426408
>zoomers have never heard of CYHSY
geese probably have

>>128423856
>Deftones, which nobody ever liked until internet losers pretended they were good starting in like 2013.
yeah, look at all these fucking nobodies watching the deftones perform live around the turn of the century. stupid colossally stupid retard. you're the zoomer for such retarded shit. your father should have beaten you more often

>>128426790
A bunch of trailer trash comigrating in one area. Cool.

>>128426790
Unc got mad

>>128406878 (OP)
Man, it's so depressing. I do art photography and this shit is not working out. I am fucked. I have no other skills.

>>128406878 (OP)
Lana Del Rey. She wants to make a shitload of money. I don't care about it. And I don't know anybody who puts on her records, and is like, transported. That shit's the fucking soundtrack to a shopping spree man. I mean for christ's sake she went and had dinner with Axl Rose. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you trying to pretend this person is a musician?
You're talking about shit that used to go on in the fucking 1920s in terms of the level of absolute premeditation around every fucking second of this girl's life as a celebrity.
Are you so eager to be made a component in her success? What are you getting out of that, apart from ad sales? I can't do that. I can't do it. Because I got to come home at night, and I don't want to come home and feel like I helped somebody who has no interest in music con a bunch of people who do

Does anyone remember him being on the verge of tears in one of his last streams over maga boomers using the internet?

>>128411859
I’m fairly sure it’s ironic hipster chic. He looks like he is from Geelong though

>>128427150
link?

>>128426881
Most people don’t have any actual skills, you need a trade or proper profession for that so don’t worry about it. I have a trade, I did an apprenticeship and that but I don’t want to do that for work now anyway I’m doing something else. If you want to do art you still need to make a living somehow, I don’t know what exactly but it’s important so you can eat real food and not be out in the wind

>>128427310
Lost media

>>128427368
>>128427150
That's the one he did about the Other Music documentary during the covid streams isn't it?
That's not lost, what is lost however are the ones he did in 2021/22, I remember one from 2021 where he came on stream completely shit faced drunk

>>128425811
he'd say they're fine but nothing new or interesting, the only new stuff he goes for are shoegaze/dream pop bands but then he'll complain how people won't stop talking about the 90s as if it isn't partially his fault

>>128427150
I vaguely remember that being like one week before Jan 6

>>128427104
I really miss the pre poptimism snobbery when it came to LDR, the critics like ott and carles from hipster runoff making fun of her failed early career and her awful snl appearance. when tptb convinced the mainstream that she was not only an artist but an icon it really signaled the end of a (brief) era where authenticity was valued.

>>128406878 (OP)
Still has not said a word about SOALW...

>>128427104
lana del rey's arrival was some kind of hallucinatory vortex that warped everyone's perceptions while it was happening. she's the closest thing to kate bush or elizabeth fraser of all the modern pop girls, a legitimate songwriting-obsessed autistic girl, but i guess having some component of image throws everything into question for a lot of people

>>128426881
You havent been working hard enough. Either man up or quit

>>128428196
a lot of people have weird hangups about female artists.

>>128427682
>a (brief) era where authenticity was valued
Name a few acts that you believe benefited from this, and tell me if you feel they deserved it or not.

>>128427682
didn't see this before posting. you're retarded. do you have the excuse of being a zoomer? when was the era when authenticity was valued? i like lana despite not listening to pop music much at all, but i'm guessing what you prize as "authentic" is just as performative as anything but acceptable to you because what it's signaling happens to be antisocial or miserable

>>128419443
>That shit was lame before it even came out. It was the most PRS, screamo, hair gel, button up, stock sleeve tat, fuckin Mayor bullshit ever. Man I fucking hated that band.

>>128428279
he means old good, new bad. sadly for him, what was once new and bad is always a few years away from becoming old and good.

>>128426881
pivot to youtube maybe? I spent most of my youth thinking I was going to be an animator, then I switched to music. Now I use these skills in game design because it's the only entertainment industry that's generating money at the moment. Follow the money and do creative projects on the side, it's the only way, times are though (don't let the uncs fool you, they had it easier)

>>128428279
>do you have the excuse of being a zoomer? when was the era when authenticity was valued?
When a band could get a following organically off of a few mp3s on a myspace page and a blog or two. If you don't remember this era vividly then I'm afraid you're the zoomer.

>>128428680
>and a blog or two
mm yeah just needed to get the right people to hear it and blow it up to their audience. sort of like... every other era of music.

>>128428680
>When a band could get a following organically off of a few mp3s on a myspace page and a blog or two.
If you genuinely think this is how things went down then I'm afraid you're the zoomer.

>>128428279
>>128428680
>>128428816
ladies ladies, please... you're all zoomers

>>128406878 (OP)
Is he bald yet?

It's bizarre to think he was one of the earliest to really rep Julien Baker hard, think it was even before her debut album

>>128427337
>>128428238
>>128428648
Thanks for replying

>>128428938
ott's weird soft spot for pathetic, self-pitying slowcore(-adjacent) music is a major chink in his armor

>>128429298
>his personal taste is different than mine wtf???

>>128406878 (OP)
Swirlies suck shit.

>>128406878 (OP)
I FOUND HIS ASS!

For those who have clicked on this thread wondering who this man is, and what he is about.

HIS NAME IS CHRIS OTT AND HE WAS FANTANO'S LOVER.

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/uexkull/chris-otts-post-rock-alphabet/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-xDu_K1iyI&t=632s

>>128429694
Affiliated with Shallow Rewards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02cQgabED0g&list=PLHB62C4ytZgYgosz4DKSZd4hOM0bhttsP

>>128429694
>>128429712
Here is the video with this exact hat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbtZHQ-ZpQ

https://ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=21147&bookmarkedmessageid=344

Old hate thread.

Now that I know who Chris Ott is, I can say with certainty, Chris Ott was a Rockist. I wonder what he thinks of the current modern day Poptimist Pitchfork.

>>128429694
Stupid zoomer

>>128430235
Yes, And? Are you saddened to see Rockism die out? You know I wouldn't fret so much about it Joshua. I bet Rocksim makes a comeback in the future thanks to AI backlash. fr fr.

>>128430286
You spoonfed the noobs you stupid zoomer. You’re not supposed to do that EVER. You figured it out for yourself that’s cool now you’re in the know, stop telling everyone else about it

>>128430318
my bad senpai!

>>128430345
all good, this is for you
https://youtu.be/59Gy7TAkQW8

>>128430536
Cool dude!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50Tql_d5CI

>>128429988
Nah, he had a whole video about 90s electronic music that he was obsessed with. And he's said about a million times that Pitchfork stopped being about music since Conde Nast came along. In fact he talks about it at length in >>128429694 as Fantano annoyingly keeps directing the whole conversation to Pitchfork

>>128429988
He also loves hip=hop but won't talk about it publicly because he's a middle aged white guy

>>128421393
>Yeah exactly. One example I can think of is Nine Inch Nails and how millennials view Trent Reznor as some kind of auteur when to him it was mallgoth shit
why not? there are zoomers who think terrible nu metal and pop punk bands were the 00s Rolling Stones or Zeppelin when Millenials with an IQ over 70 utterly ridicule those bands.

>>128428196
>>128427682
Didn't some critics also unnecessarily pretend Lady Gaga was some kind of auteur as well?

>>128431464
Lady Gaga is legitimately talented though, and paid her dues before she got famous. Totally different than industry plants

>>128431434
a lot of 90s goths held Trent Reznor in high esteem, girls mostly

>>128431497
yeah seconding this she is good

>>128431497
yeah, all she had to do was push Lina Morgana off a roof after stealing all her ideas

>>128428816
not that anon but it wasn't that far off from that, lot of blog era indie bands blew up pretty big just from sending mp3s around to blogs. In the 90s you had to bust your ass touring the US forever to reach the kind of audiences that blog bands could reach overnight from like, nomodestbear posting your song. It was probably the most democratized era ever as far as music press went, it wasn't that way before blog era and it hasnt been that way sense.

>>128431497
lana wrote hundreds of songs before she was famous. she seems much more of a songwriter than lady gaga.

>everyone was always a cynic!
>nobody on earth has ever been cynical once!
it's like it's impossible for the average person to not have a collossally retarded and extreme viewpoint. i fucking hate everyone so goddman much. you all suck so much giant puckered asshole. a pox upon your houses.

>>128431497
>getting put through tiffin and getting free exposure for existing is paying your dues
you can go fuck yourself.

>>128431497
>>128433903
oh and apparently also went to the covenant of the sacred heart and lee stasberg school which i did not know. though i did get tisch and tiffin mixed up, who gives a fuck she's from money and had a FUCK LOAD of training.

>>128431946
There was definitely a specific audience that was looking for music through blogs though, but I suppose it is an audience. I don't think the situation is very different against streaming services in the modern age, except there isn't one audience anymore. You just have a ton of people in their own niches, and so its a bit harder to break outside of a niche.

>>128433919
yeah she's rich and her dad is a big Trump donor and friend of him for decades. what about it?

>>128433940
it means she is manufactured numb nuts. when her mom decided she was going to be a pop start that was that, the deal was done. this does not happen for normal people. are you thick in the head?

>>128433950
Tons of rich girls are rejected from the industry because they have no talent. Rebecca Black is the best example of this. And it's not like Gaga's family were multi millionaires, they were well off, but not rich like Taylor's family who literally bought a recording studio for her when she was starting out and bought the record label who put up her first album, or Beyonce's family who paid off the other two singers in Destiny's Child to sing worse than Beyonce intentionally and put her in the spotlight during all live performances. There's a reason why Gaga spent 4 years performing in dive bars and parking lots before she made it big, her dad didn't have fuck you levels of money.

>>128434160
Beyonce can actually sing though, even if she can't emote her way out of a paper bag.

>>128434181
Yes, because she's talented. If she wasn't no amount of money would have made her a success. That's the point I'm making.

>>128434160
Taylor's dad owned a shitty Christmas tree farm, he wasn't Bill Gates.

>>128427104
Lana Del Taco becoming as big as she did for a while was mind boggling. She cannot sing to save her life, every single live performance she's ever had has been god awful, like even current tiktok singers are better than her. I give her props for not lip syncing I guess, but at least Britney who also could not sing at least focused on her dancing and performance to make up for it. Her Cochella performance a few years ago was so embarrassing that she spent all year on damage control. She also gave rise to the modern femcel archetype which is thankfully dead by now, but for years women everyone thought it was cool to mope around, exaggerate how depressed they were and complain about everything more than they usually do.

>>128434198
And that humble little farm? Well son, years later it became known as Merrill Lynch.

>>128434198
>>128434554
https://youtu.be/WhP4-s4vkTU

>>128434438
>but for years women everyone thought it was cool to mope around, exaggerate how depressed they were and complain about everything

Sounds like 4channers

>>128435166
4channers dont have the pussy pass to help them

I think Chris's real point was that if you don't make your own scenes, champion your own art, and do-it-yourself, all that will be left is rich people who don't actually give a fuck about music and just treat it as something to pass their time. Music fans willingly gave up their autonomy out of laziness. See: this board.

>>128439659
Rich people just have better taste.

>>128439734
Taste in not working for a living, making other people work for them. Taste for the blood

>>128439734
Having taste does not make you a good musician. This was the whole issue with that 00s indie scene. "Guys check us out you can really hear our cool influences!" Well guess what, your music sucks.

>>128439783
Taste is boring, turns out.

>>128439826
So you're saying that...taste doesn't matter? B-but my last.fm charts...

Why nobody cares about Free anymore? Turns out their uber-tasteful, mannered elevator blues is mainly useful for knocking dental patients out before having a tooth extracted. Led Zeppelin on the other hand, uh, knew how to schlock things up?

Everybody Knows [MCA, 1996]
Tricia had a dream, and by 1985 she was in Nashville pursuing it--studying "music business," as her bio says, at Belmont College. An internship and some demo singing later, she had signed with MCA, where she now epitomizes the blandness of today's quality country. Not that she's bad or anything. Her voice is big and precise, and she ends up with a good song or two on every album--including this one, where she doesn't ruin strong titles by Kevin Welch and Steve Goodman and brings off a terrific Matraca Berg line about chocolate and magazines. But if songwriters love her so much, it must be because she brings nothing to the song but what they put there. The same cannot be said of Willie Nelson, George Jones, Reba McEntire, Garth Brooks--even Shania Twain. In pop music, good taste isn't timeless. It's boring. B

>>128428257
None worse than Cuckgau.

>>128439783
>Having taste does not make you a good musician. This was the whole issue with that 00s indie scene.
00s indie was the last time music was good though.

>>128429298
at least Christgau openly disavows that slop

>>128440215
No, it really wasn't.

>>128440316
It actually was.

>>128434438
she is so autistic that she can't figure out how to perform live. doesn't take away from the fact she's maybe the best female songwriter ever. she should just make records

>>128439734
Is that why the majority of their art is shallow and forgotten?

>>128442655
majority of all art, whether made by the rich or poor, is shallow and forgotten. see: rap

>>128439734
Rich people have jack all to do with taste you faggot cuck. Go lick some boots

>>128440215
00s indie, though referential, was the last time bands felt obliged to do more than merely copy the past, some great songwriters and innovations came out of that period, which you cannot really say for the 10s and certainly not the 20s. In 2025 the big buzz band is awarded the hype worthy compliment of sounding like a 00s indie band,

>>128443801
>some great songwriters and innovations came out of that period
lol!

>>128443801
Yeah, like LCD Soundsystem was influenced by Can, Talking Heads, Bowie, and randos like this dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dLaOBMn4EA now we have The Dare who's just influenced by LCD Soundsystem.

>>128438998
What you described didn't even happen/matter outside of social media

>>128419663
Or does invention just seems simple in hindsight?

>>128445958
on some level yes, but also you could literally have a smash hit playing these 3 chords https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0niyiKlcw
cause the electric guitar had only existed for like 10 years

>>128448217
bruh music is still made with I-IV-V progressions.

>>128422716
Everything involving "shoegaze". The entirety of RYM genre autism. Everything surrounding Kurt Cobain and Nirvana.

>>128425811
I'm sure he doesn't talk about new music except for the stuff on his hobby label 'cause per his ethos, he doesn't want to be the old man shitting on "kids these days". But if I had to guess, there's nothing positive to say.

>>128440316
Why do people hate 00s indie so much? Is the current crop of boring shitty and annoying pop music really any better?

>>128448217
That song was actually a leaked demo that somehow became a hit anyway.

>>128412071
This is based

>>128449257
proper term would be a beta build of the song