This is my imaginary island country of Regalia.
What kind of transportation would be feasible on this island? I imagined the country as a British colony settled in the early 18th century and gaining its independence after WWII. The population is around 1.8 million, though the overwhelming majority live in the twin cities of Kingsport and Arkham. The interior of the main island is sparsely populated and mountainous, with a few dormant volcanoes.
I'm trying to imagine the rail lines connecting all the cities on the south coast, and the ferry system between Kingsport and Arkham.
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Where Regalia is located in the northwestern Atlantic.
>>2020443 (OP)ridin ur mom
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>>2020443 (OP)>Kingsport and ArkhamAt that distance, just make a bridge.
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>>2020450Theyโre about 5 km apart. A bridge that size would be very expensive.
Impossible to say really without a look at the topography and geographic conditions of the island in more detail. Where are the natural resources? Rivers? When you say sparsely populated and mountainous, is that borderline inhospitable all over like Iceland or relatively mild with few but landscape-defining natural barriers like New Zealand?
If the majority of the population is centred around the Kingsport-Arkham bay, there needs to be a real driver for transportation links to be established to those outlying towns - be it for agriculture, mining, etc.
Maybe they have an abundance of coal and use steam trains, traction engines and steam cars.
>>2020460Would there be coal on a volcanic island in the northwester atlantic?
>>2020443 (OP)I'd look for inspo in Iceland and Norway, but an offshore island like that is going to have the most absolutely dick flattening soul crushing weather you can imagine. I'd picture mostly squat single story buildings (more resistant to noreasters and offshore winds) and keep in mind that anything like coal, lumber, fresh produce or oil would probably have to be imported. Why did the British colonize the island in the first place? Cod perhaps, or maybe your rivers host runs of Atlantic salmon. Were there indigenous peoples surviving beforehand? Pretty much any transportation would probably need to be imported and their fuel as well. Maybe there's a colonial-era steam locomotive that runs from one city to the other which was built by the British, with a few branches perhaps to fjords which have salmon runs. The train might only run out to the forks a couple times a year to collect harvests of preserved fish and bring supplies and mail. Or maybe mail is brought inland via dogsled in the winter. It looks nice to have cities scattered all across the coastline but think about why they exist there, what resources are they exploiting? The large cities could have geothermal plants.
Sorry, I think I got a little lost and went off-topic.
>>2020443 (OP)can you add a shadow map(height map) or some gradient lines?
Im thinking it has a old railway line that is no longer in service, that has been replaced by an asfalt road connection to Dunwich followed by a dirt road to columbus sound.
Some neighbouring towns may have dirt roads also, not drawn.
main transportation is by boat. And most work in fishing or fishing adjacent ventures.
Exept Dulwich.
Being ex crown the rest of its economy is financial services, again not including Dulwich.
>>2020443 (OP)Occupied by Russia since 2014. President Putin has a palace near Wyndham. Other than for his domestic servants, no travel is needed nor allowed in order to suppress potential uprisings. Upon presenting one's propiska, transportation will be provided by the military.
>>2020443 (OP)highly frequented blimptrain network
>>2020453plenty of bridges that are far longer
i mean, this exists in fucking bangladesh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupsha_Rail_Bridge
>>2020495Bruh that makes zero sense.
>>2020443 (OP)what's the topography
>>2020497YES THE BLIMPTRAIN AGAIN
>>2020549Prob identical to NF&L or NS
>>2020491>an offshore island like that is going to have the most absolutely dick flattening soul crushing weather you can imagine.Would the gulf stream make it a bit more pleasant?
>>2020493>Being ex crown the rest of its economy is financial servicesIndia is ex-crown and its economy is sort of shit both literally and metaphorically
Pretty much every populated island like that has a coastal road
>>2020600I think he means ex-crown colony, which are usually settler colonies like the Thirteen Colonies or the Falklands.
Crown colonies referred to slightly different things throughout history but British India was never a crown colony.
>>2020443 (OP)Based on
>>2020493Railway
Metric gauge
Most of the lines follow the coast.
The Lines in red have decent service, orange are mostly freight with some passenger trains and yellow is freight only.
Thinking about it, the line Innsmouth-Rozel should not exist
Blue is for boats.
Would it make more sense for Dunwich to be a mining town or a farm town?
how is Dunwich a remotely feasible spot for settlement? no water access and in the middle of a tropical island, so itโs probably high up a mountain or at least higher elevation than the rest, and possibly in a jungle. It would need water supplied to it constantly (unless thereโs a spring that weโre assuming is there), why bother settling there at all?
>>2020746>no water access and in the middle of a tropical islandIt's in the middle of the Grand Banks. It's going to be wet and cool (but not cold). The climate is pretty easy to predict, especially once we know what OP proposes for topography.
>>2020746resources
like a peat bog or something
>>2020746OP here.
I was leaning towards Dunwich being a farming community taking advance of the fertile soil enriched by the nearby volcanoes (though eruptions on Regalia are rather infrequent).
>>2020445Bruh your island will be cold and windswept. No one would live there.
>>2020828They farm eldritch horrors there
>>2020828How many volcanoes on the island?
>>2020973I'm not sure yet. Maybe 3 or 4. I still need to come up with their names. I took most of the city names from H.P Lovecraft, Attack on Titan and Berserk.
>>2021050Have you ever looked at a map of the world's fault lines before deciding that your island will have 3 or 4 active volcanoes?
>>2021127Hawaii has active volcanoes and it isn't anywhere near a plate boundary.
>>2021129You're right. I guess I just find it hard to believe that an island which is basically just Newfoundland 2.0 would have active volcanoes.
>>2021050So most of the volcanoes are near Dunwich where eldritch horrors are farmed before being transported to Vritannis to be shipped out to the outside world.
We still need that topography of the map OP.
Is this for NationStates? I'm glad I'm not the only turboautist who does out-of-game LARP
>>2021165No. This is gonna sound weird but this whole project started when I was fucking around google maps and noticed a section of the continental shelf jutting out with nothing on it, and really felt like there should be land there.
My autism did the rest.
I was thinking of putting a U.S Navy base near Red Hook.
>>2021445Too exposed to the sea and the local german subs in WWII ,the base would be inside the bay.
>>2021557Would it make sense for the Nazis to try and capture Regalia in WW2?
>>2021562No, it's out of question.
UK would make Regalia prime estate by putting an airfield on the island to increase air coverage during the battle of Atlantic.
Would it make more sense for Regalia to import its rail equipment from the US or UK?
They probably wouldn't have the resources for their own erecting shop.
>>2022274It depends who built them first. Railway standards are completely arbitrary.
>>2020443 (OP)I think having a major city on both sides of a megabay like that is unrealistic. One side would take hold as the dominant city and grow exponentially larger, while the other one would dwindle out
>>2020443 (OP)Realistically there probably wouldn't be any rail at all except for maybe a mile of tourist trolley down some waterfront
Bermuda, Jamaica, Barbados all had rail for both sugar and passenger transport but let their rail infrastructure rot. Look it up it's pretty interesting
>>2022300I'd imagine they would keep some form of rail transit in the bay area specifically.
can i put this shit on my game one day?
>>2022300>Realistically there probably wouldn't be any rail at all except for maybe a mile of tourist trolley down some waterfrontDepends on all sorts of things, but particularly population, industry and history (did they have rail in the past, perhaps in the 19th century, and did they get rid of it).
>>2022636Standard gauge rail would be perfect for the bay area and the south shore of the main island.
>>2020443 (OP)Your city names are steampunk tier cringe. Maybe everyone should ride around in blimps which they will call "airships" and wear monocles
>>2023661How are they steampunk? I took most of the city names from H.P Lovecraft, Attack on Titan and Berserk.
Dunwich is the boring Midwest landlocked city, but it could have the most epic transit hub in the country. Like Bologna in Italy basically.
>>2022638bumpcizade. i don't want this thread to be deleted
i don't care. i'll put this shit on my game one day anyways. i have bookmarked this thread already
get fucked, bozo
>>2021050>>2021129>>2021155Volcanos only appear outside of plate boundries when there's a "hotspot", a magma plume from the deep mantle. Hawaii is a chain because the plate has moved while the plume just pushes through regardless. Hotspot volcanism isn't super rare, but it's only possible through younger crust. The Canadian Shield which your island is on the border of, is a chunk of the earth's surface known as a "craton". Cratons are super old chunks of land that are so dense that vault lines and volcanos can't break through, which is why that part of NA has no volcanos today, same for Austrailia and south africa.
in summary: Volcanos are pretty much impossible there, much less 4 of them
>>2025787>vaulttypo, fault
As for the climate, for the same reasons mentioned prior, there would be very minimal mountain formation, definitely nothing permanent snow. Think Whales or Newfoundland for analogous terrain
>>2025787>>2025788Wasn't Bermuda formed by an extinct volcano?
Has the Regali parliament legalized weed?
>>2025843yea, what does that change? Bermuda is over a thousand kilometers from a continental craton and is left-over from the mid-atlantic ridge. The OP's island is sitting on top of the canadian shield.
>>2026258Okay so forget the volcanoes...
But I still wanted some decently sized mountains in the main island's interior. I'm going to ignore the topography of the other islands because they don't really matter.
>>2026315If you're going for the realism route the environment could still have very dramatic landscapes, just not the swiss-alps pointy snowcapped all year around type typical of fantasy, more like pic related. I for one would love to see a climate that's more "sub arctic" in nature than usual. I'm already imagining ice-breaker trains designed to plough through avalanche debris. There would also be a lot of rare natural recourses typical of ancient crust, like diamonds, gold, nickel and platinum or even uranium. Perhaps mining could be their chief export?
How deep is the water around there? In real life that shelf is about 200-250 feet deep, so how much are we raising the sea floor around Regalia?
>>2027039I wanted the dropoff to be just offshore, with the island following the contours of the shelf.
I imagined the vast majority of the shipping and commerce to be in the shallow bay area.
>>2027228How high are you right now?
bump. i don't want this thread to die. i've bookmarked it already. i will use all of these information in my video game without your permission
>>2029822No one's going to buy your shitty plagiarized game.
It's the same shit in every Anglo-Saxon country. It would surely be the same.
>>2020656aside from Red Hook to Alyesbury and the bay lines all of those ferry lines have been closing since the 1960s.
Would an underwater rail line like the Channel Tunnel be feasible between Kingsport and Arkham?
A bridge would obstruct shipping traffic.
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>>2020451say 'biomass' instead it gets the investors hotter
>>2032081Probably never financially viable, not unless the bay is massive (which it ain't). For a gap of a mile or two, a bridge would be most likely; they can be built tall enough to admit shipping.
Since the nearly everyone lives in Kingsport and Arkham it makes sense to construct a bridge between them. It would be very expensive (mega project) but the benefits are high enough. You would obviously have 2 tracks of rail to maximize the limited space. I estimate the length of estuary Virginia to be 5 miles. The bridge is named in honor of the former Archbishop of Kingsport, Sir Tyler Knott.
The twin cities and the towns of Wyndham, Innsmouth and Rozel is the "core" of the country. I'm hereby naming this area Lake Womberth. With its access to International trade, rare farm pastures at Wyndham, population, and Government taxation, this is by far the most prosperous area of Ragalia.
Rail is expensive as iron is hard to find and a lot of the components have to be imported, hence there's two other lines. The first is from Bridge Knott to Wyndham which, along with its river is the food bowl of the country. Mountainous terrain means it runs along Lake Womberth instead of directly to the capital, Kingsport.
The final line runs from Bridge Knott all the way to Columbus Sound. Being 130 miles long and curving through steep mountainous terrain makes this is 2nd mega project that the aristocratic democratic republic will pursue. It doesn't make sense economically due to the enormous cost but was pursed to "unify the country". In practice it means securing control of Dunwich and Columbus sound. Both important and strategic towns. Dunwich is the site of the iron ore mine on the island. Columbus, like Wyndham has fertile plains, a protected harbor and is in the northern part of the country, a problematic part of the country.
The focus on Lake Womberth, mountainous terrain and lake of transportation infrastructure/capability has meant isolationism and separatist tendencies in the other towns. This has lead to limited influence and control for the government.
>>2035986As Kingsport's capacity is limited, these trouble sports are given a high degree of autonomy and no taxes (its not worth the trouble enforcing it anyways). In exchange the capital trades and performs international trade for these areas. Custom duties are applied at the port.
These historic and lingering tensions between Kinsport and its outer areas is what necessitated the construction of the Columbus-Arkham line. Rail allows the mass transportation of soldiers and weapons to Columbus Sound where a large fleet of ships is stationed. The large protected lake means it makes sense to station the majority of the navy there. This allows for a faster response and influence over the problematic north. The rough seas around Ragalia makes sailing around the island expensive and risky, Columbus reduces the distance the Navy and merchant ships have to sail to the capital (using rail of course).
As said before Columbus Sound and Dunwich are the most important towns outside of Wyndham. The large Naval presence gives Kingsport solid control of this regional capital. Dunwich is less guarded but its location on a rail line and surrounding mountainous terrain makes it hard to take and easier for Government forces to recapture. There's a large Army Garrison stationed at Red Hook. The thinking goes that if the island rebels against Regalia it would be very hard to retake. A Mountainous terrain results in very few landing spots and a very tiring trek to take toe capital. An 80 mile journey against rough Atlantic seas means a risk of a naval disaster to send forces up there. These factors are the causes to an Outsized garrison stationed just outside Red Hook.
>>2035988Regalia's international policy is one of warming ties to the United states of America. While they still have friendly ties with Britain, the independence has soured things in the background, hence the pursuit of warm ties with the US to counter balance Britain. The other focus is grouping up with Denmark (Greenland) and Iceland to advocate for US-UK trade to stop by these countries. France also has interests because of Quebec.
Regalia encourages trade with Greenland and Iceland to encourage commercial merchant ship activity. Its exports internationally is mostly vegetables, wood, and fishing. Some exotic cultural goods are exported but only in small countries because foreign populations generally don't know "What the fuck Regalia is".
With a primary industry economy, limited international trade, scarce fertile land and natural resources, harsh cold weather and a lack of control in many parts of the country. In Atlantic terms its an Atlantic basket case.
Regalia is poor as fuck.
>>2035989Oh yea, there's also a small bridge for the river at Wyndham for obvious reasons.
>those edgy teenagers vandalizing the US embassy in Kingsport because of Trump
>rail lines connecting all the cities on the south coast
Which cities have fish canneries, mines industry etc?
>ferry system between Kingsport and Arkham
I love the halifax harbour hopper, but even larger ferries are great and every coastal city has em. You're gonna need a good strong port authority if this is a major shipping area and this is gonna dictate who runs what in the harbour.
What's tourism like on the island?
>>2020451>>2020587Look up Sable Island, NS.
There's a grassy wind swept sandbar populated by horses not far from OP's island.
>>2020587OP said this was after WW2 so this isn't really relevant but in today's world the gulf stream is weaker and will continue to get weaker due to climate change. On the other hand the weather will likely get a bit warmer. The local fish species might migrate north in the future.
>>2037808It was settled in the late 1700's but gained its independence after WW2 like the rest of the British colonies.
>>2037491wow i thought i was the only one who knew abt sable island. would always see it on transatlantic flights
>>2035986i like your island