another one down in Philly boys, reports say fatalities on the ground

Mexican registered airplane with home bae in Mexico carrying Mexican nationals

make sure to only blame DEI or this thread will get nuked

>>2032627
it's an attempt at a mexican 9/11, they will find that the pilot was a mexican nationalist and usa will go to war with mexico

>>2032627
what should we be blaming?

>>2032630
DEI of course. any other interpretation of these events is "divisive" and "political"

>>2032631
retarded shitflinging like you're doing is how threads get nuked on this board

>>2032632
huh? all I'm saying is civility is important! let's not politicize this tragedy when the problem is obviously women, gays, and brown people. look at the other planecrash thread for an example on how to discuss this like adults, or any of the urbanism/mass transit hate threads which are completely on topic as long as they're pushing my agenda and no other

>>2032631
don't be a retard. what should we be blaming?

mutt aviation and magatism = perfectly unified death cults.

>>2032639
Birds.
This Philly one seems different. Dude was coming down close near 500mph.

>>2032642
so a bird flew a helicopter into a passenger jet?

>>2032644
no, i meant the other way around

>>2032645
a bird was flying a passenger jet and a helicopter crashed into it?

>>2032647
the crash was helicoptering the bird military into a jet passenger

>>2032649
got it

>>2032627
Or Iran, or China, or Russia. Nothing else my fellow dissidents.

>>2032635
You lost.

Plane involved was a Learjet 55. The model's had a few fatal accidents over it's 45 years of service, but it's hardly a prolific killer.

>>2032709
Ok, but why did it nosedive at maximum speed?

>>2032729
pilot error

>>2032729
it didn't nosedive, it stalled and bellyflopped

>>2032748
No it didn't, you are making factually incorrect statements

>>2032625 (OP)
I am once again coming to remind you morons that flying on airliners is not safe. It is the most dangerous form of travel, you morons only like it because it gets you somewhere fast, until some minor issue with the plane causes the whole thing to smack into the ground.
While Cars are dangerous, they are nowhere near the danger of an airplane (Insert some retard failing to understand statistics), and even less dangerous is travel by rail.
Passenger Rail once again reigns supreme.

>>2032787
>Passenger Rail once again reigns supreme.
Passenger rail can't swim so it's only useful if the destination is on a contiguous landmass with the departure point.

>>2032794
>Passenger rail can't swim
We used to have a solution for that too

>>2032799
>oh no we hit another boat/iceberg/storm/large wave and the ship is sinking
>how could we have predicted this :(
>*blub blub blub*

>>2032800
>Boat hits skyscraper sized iceberg and manages to stay afloat for hours
>Plane is struck by a sparrow, augers into the earth seconds later
Also, getting to enjoy brandy on the promenade deck > sitting in a sardine can huffing recycled farts

>>2032729
The leaked flight plan said there were big guys on board

>>2032932
>>2032932
>>2032932
>>2032932

The top three was not changed since 2001.
Will we ever get a new medal winner?

>>2033119
the first two were not trained and therefore could not have flown commercial airplanes. they belong where they were found, in the cheap hooker houses doing drugs, while failing hard in attempts to get practice with basic planes at a local fly strip.

>>2033119
Middle guy looks relatively normal, the other two are obvious psychopaths.

JAL taxis into Delta at Sea-Tac
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1iik8j7/japan_airlines_jet_has_collided_with_parked_delta/

>>2032787
After you manage to outlaw plane travel, for civilians, not politicians of course, and force everyone to travel by rail, will we receive endless posts about the magic of Canal bosts being pulled by mules? Can we fast forward to the end, where you travel by 747 but the masses are left to crawl?

ANOTHER ONE

Tremendously small odds of things colliding, bad thing, Elong and his spergs are looking into it very very closely, cut loose the Horrible System, Joe Biden.

>>2033239
>”planes shouldn’t collide in the air”
>this angers redditors somehow

>>2033254
Do you think it's so unreasonable to expect an elected (lol) official to actually try to learn more about a topic that has been studied to death by other people first, before issuing unhinged ultimatums with vague threats of death for disobedience after thinking about the issue for 30 seconds? "We have no idea what's going on but here's exactly what you should do and if you don't do it we'll send the proud boys after you" is not how to run a complex machine like a country

NOW what?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/crews-searching-missing-plane-alaska-carrying-10-people

>>2033350
tracking ends at about this point, I assume this is ADSB and not actual physical radar

Another one.
Airplane fell in the middle of an intersection in Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvzEXN-GVk4&forced

>>2032709
it it's a learjet you better get clearjet

>>2033350
Ice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puKr3hIagZU

doge claims another 10 victims

>>2033197
Plane travel will be banned for anything that is not military. We will travel by rail or by water, just as god intended us to.

>>2033479
As a citizen of the United States, I am a member of the militia, and therefore entitled to fly as the angels do.

>>2032794
>Passenger rail can't swi-ACK!

WSJ: FAA Wants Permanent Helicopter Restrictions at Reagan Airport
https://archive.is/uMzYG
>Federal air-safety officials want to permanently keep helicopters away from commercial jets taking off and landing at a busy Washington, D.C., airport after the deadliest U.S. aviation accident in more than two decades.
>Helicopters have been temporarily barred from flying in a corridor used by the U.S. Army Black Hawk that collided on Jan. 29 with an American Airlines regional jet, killing 67 people.
>The chopper routes have been used to ferry senior military officials around the region and to train for a “continuity of government” mission in the event American political leaders need rapid evacuation from Washington. Other government agencies have also used the routes.
>Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy has criticized the Pentagon’s operation of helicopters near the airport. “If we have generals who are flying in helicopters for convenience through this airspace, that’s unacceptable,” he said last week. “Get in a damn Suburban and drive. You don’t need to take a helicopter.”

>>2033734
Dozens of sorties a day for decades and one collision. That helicopter route isn't a problem. The helicopter pilot was the problem. That solution is about as ridiculous at the DC SFRA.

>>2033824

>>2033192
GLORIOUS NIPPON ALUMINUM!!!

>>2033824
Yet another plane crash. Passenger Rail Chads stay winning.

>>2033839
https://townsquaredelaware.com/fire-on-septa-train-headed-to-wilmington-sparks-federal-investigation/

>>2033880
This was clearly a case of sabotage by airline pilots.

the black hawk stepped on the "pass behind" command
and didn't receive the "circling to runway 33"

these bureaucrats get paid way too much
hope elon fires em all

BREAKING: Delta plane crashes at Toronto Pearson International Airport; no word on injuries or casualties

>>2034180

>>2034182
>>2034180
how

>>2034183
I'd suspect that white stuff on the ground might have something to do with it.

let me guess, we need to delete the constitution now?

>>2034183

>>2034184
That means they were really great this time!

You should expect a huge fire ball the moment it rolls over and 1 to 2 minutes until fire fighters extinguish the fire.

>>2034183
indeed, HOW?
planes are just doing backflips after landing now?

>>2034180
>>2034181
Nani the what the fuck.
How do you flip a plane and not kill anybody? I didn't even realize the hull's roof wouldn't just crumble like a tin can at the slighted pressure.

>end "woke dei" at the faa
>7 plane crashes in a month
Lmao

>>2034183
Will the plane be salvageable?
The landing gear is still good. The glass is still good. Doors are fine. Engines are good.
The wings took a beat and the tail is a bit short now but that's most of the bird.

>>2034194
1000% write off

>>2034192
Most exterior surfaces on a well designed plane are treated as load bearing, but I am surprised the body didn't separate somewhere in the middle of it's length after the wings snagged on the ground and everything else tried to keep going.

>>2034183
>Watch me do a barrel roll...
>ON THE TARM -ACK

>>2034182
>>2034183
>>2034188
Most importantly: Good thing, that everyone(?) was fine for the most part,
but there's got to be a camera somewhere, that has filmed the crash, right?

>>2034198
I'm curious to hear the blackbox recording this time, for once that they didn't die

>>2034200
<<do a barrel roll>>
t. mostly interested, because no one died

>>2034200
>Hear
>CVR audio
Not after that Delta 1141 where the pilots joked "In case we have an accident, let's leave something juicy for the media to hear. Gotta' leave something for our wives and kids to listen to." They then proceeded to takeoff without flaps, crash, and kill 2 flight attendants and 12 passengers. It's pretty hilarious in that aspect.

>>2034183
>Three critically injured

>>2034183
Did it skid on landing and flip as it turned sideways?

I'm betting rear right landing gear issue, either it fucking broke or didn't deploy, meaning it rolled to the right as you can see how the wing root is bent

>>2034182
Kek that retard in the firetruck spraying the poor survivors trying to help, with 10 bars of pressure when there's obviously no fire

>>2034209

>>2034209
>when there's obviously no fire
I'm sure the smoke emitting from dangerously near the central fuel tank is nothing to be concerned about

bravo

>>2034194
>Will the plane be salvageable?
really?

>>2034215
The junkyards hunger for airplanes.

>>2034200
They had the presence of mind to crash when they got to Canada which hasn't fired their safety officials yet

>>2034215
I was shitposting, but CRJs aren't cheap so it must be a lot money to retrofit a new pair of wings, rebuild the tail, and unfuck the fuselage.
Unlike a typical crash, it really looks the plane held up fine.
Wikipedia says a used CRJ is like 18 million as of 2018, so it must be excess of 50 million of damage at least to make the insurance make sense.

The sides fell off.

>>2034219
who would ever trust ANY transport body that has undergone such a terrible crash?

>>2034180

>>2034224
>People coming off with bags, purses, and recording.
Complete morons.

Americans are becoming less and less intelligent.
can't build airplanes properly, can't maintain them properly, can't even fly them properly. What can you do?

I have come to /n/ with one question, and one question only: was it a Boeing again?

>>2034229
No

>>2034224

>>2034224
Another failure of the airlines, passenger rail chads stay winning.

>>2034228
>can’t build planes
It’s a Canadian plane

>>2034220
I'm glad it happened outside of the environment.

>>2034234
You have lost the mandate of heaven.

Crash footage finally found

>>2034241
do a barrel roll

>>2034241
Was this filmed with a fucking potato.

>>2034243
Affirmative.

>>2034224
dat ass grab

it was pretty windy in toronto i'm guessing a ground roll.

>>2034241
>the snow probably saved the passengers by putting out the fire
>in a warmer country the plane would have probably burned to the ground or exploded before everyone could get out

New, clearer crash footage from another angle. High sink rate broke the airframe.

>>2034234
American airline and regional operator
Brazilian manufactured jet

>>2034258
>Brazilian aircraft
>doesn't kill everyone on board following a minor collision
huh
I guess the BRs didn't fall for Henry Ford's design philosophy of "make everything thinner"

>>2034256
Personally I doubt that, if any major source of fuel ignited a bit of snow isn't gonna put it out. I'd bet that the fire we see is stuff in the lines or residual fuel left in an empty tank burning off. No idea what the fuel situation looked like or which tanks ruptured

>>2034257
Looks like a possible wind shear or microburst with that sort of sink rate.

>>2034258
Brazil manufactures CRJs?

>>2034281
no, but we can pretend they do

>>2034257

>>2034281
No, he’s a retard

Best view so far I think
https://x.com/airplusnews/status/1891801795556483234

>>2034299
Looks like the gear collapsed

>>2034300
Also looks the plane was slightly banked to the right as it made contact, putting everything from that initial impact into the one wheel.

>>2034304
Even then, the gear shouldn't collapse.

>>2034204
Lap children is my guess, fucking horrible, pilot killed them

>>2034299
The relevant bit.

Looks like a landing gear failure for sure.

>>2034214
kek
saved

>>2034296
Fuck got mixed up some plane spotting I did earlier in the day. Both companies doing much of their business similar role regional aircraft. Yes, I am a retard.

>>2034299
That's a hard as fuck landing, assuming ~120 kt ground speed at touchdown. With no flare they could've been at 600+ fpm descent rate, and no commercial jet can handle that impact especially on one main gear.

>>2034316
Is it really hard enough to cause the gear to collapse?

>>2034299
>PLANE SLEEPY

>Landing gear failure
Mishubishi sisters ?

>>2034324
it's never only one thing that goes wrong and 99% of the time the pilot is on the list

So what's the tally now in this marathon?

>>2034334
seven or eight

>>2034299
gg no re

>>2034266
>>2034299
80s ass plane crash

>>2034221
The word you're looking for is "airframe".
>>2034318
I often look at airplanes and wonder how the tiny landing gear ever holds the weight. The answer is of course that the plane needs to be supported by its wings while it's landing, and the gear can't really handle much more than the weight of the plane itself. One of the exacerbating factors of that crash in Korea was just how much fuel they had and didn't dump, which made the landing harder for the gear to withstand, and it didn't.

>>2034350
you would look significantly less retarded if you actually watched the korea crash videos and realised the gear wasnt down at all when they tried to put it down

>>2034299
It's a miracle that everyone survived

>>2034318
With enough sideloading on a single gear strut, definitely.
>>2034350
Since when could 737s dump fuel?

Anyone have the pilot names? I’m hearing the captain is a sim instructor and the FO new hire

It happened again
Two planes collided midair

>>2034436
>2 GA planes collide at an untowered airport.
Only news worthy on a national level because of what has happened lately. The media cycle is still latched onto this topic.

>we had to crash the planes to save them from wokeness

>>2034460
Do you normally have trouble sleeping on planes? Not me. I pass out and only get woken up when we touch down.

>>2034257
SINK RATE SINK RATE
WHOOP WHOOP
RETARD RETARD RETARD

should be legal to shoot anyone that uses the phrase "swiss cheese model" or "regulations are written in blood"

>>2034472
Why

What the fuck is going on in the US at the moment with plane crashes?

>>2034484
nothing, we're just bringing masculine energy back to aviation and going back to the 1950s when everything was great and there were only two genders

>>2034489
Mental the amount of musicians that have died in plane crashes over the years, Randy Rhoads was the most brutal.

>>2034436
a similar in-pattern mid-air at a non-towered airport happened in september in nevada
>>2034437
exactly

>>2034481
It's trite, superficial, and doesn't really mean anything. When someone says it, they usually purport to say something profound without even touching the surface of the problem.

>>2034224
you gotta feel like a million bucks surviving a fuckin plane crash

>>2034531
Each survivor was offered $30,000 with no strings attached in hopes they would decide not to sue, lol

>>2034484
DEI pilots are kamikazing to spite dj trump

>>2034484
Actually, it's fewer than usual so far.
The media are going bonkers, because they are desperate for anything to attack Trump with.
Going for "DEI" instead of merit (as in skill) is an EXTREMELY bad idea - especially when it comes to air traffic safety -, but bureaucrats and the media don't want the gravy train to stop.

>>2034675
>actually it's a nothing burger, fake news! and if it wasn't a nothing burger I bet a black woman did it
now this is some cope

>>2034533
30 thousand dollars is not much after federal and state taxes takes a chunk out of it

>>2032625 (OP)

>>2035781
>Mexican maintenance procedures

>>2034675
Fewer than usual? Here's that cope again.
Yes, we have incidents almost every day, but they are always shitboxes crashing in a fucking Angolan dirt airfield, not commercial planes in North American cities. Le "everything is the same" is pure unadulterated cope.

>>2034692
Settlements are not subject to tax.

>>2036502
are they standing behind do not walk outside this area line? why wasn't the slide triggered and those stupid cunts are taking their bags with them. also it was a Boeing 737-800 with CFM engines.

>>2036502
>flaps up
>no slide
I get it, but it's a 38M, just slide down the back of the wing and hop off. The damn thing was designed in an era when jet bridges were not ubiquitous.

>>2036502
Fucking dumb fuck ground crew. They go to get the passengers off the wings but they grab the smallest set of stairs possible.

Meanwhile there's a perfectly fine beltloader just a few feet away. Use the belt loader put the safety rail up and you can give people a safer ramp to walk down
Ground crew these days are retarded. And it can kill. But I guess that's what happens when they are paid pennies.

>>2036550
>If you pay people more money they become smarter.
Peak /n/ commie retardation.

>>2036557
it retains experience better. instead of the churn model

>>2036587
Smart people don't load baggage for a living, commie faggot.

>>2036588
Enjoy your shit service and unexplained delays that are really caused by retards.

>>2036590
>Paying these dumb people more will make them smarter.
Communists really are stupid.

Absolutely not a crash, but >>>/wsg/5836499
>American ATC

>>2036521
It's a regular 738 NG, same idea though.

Search for MH370 will resume this year, Malaysia agreed on another 18 month long search.
Ocean Infinity will search new areas, and will be paid $70 million, but only if flight wreckage is found.

Cessna 310 in Florida

>>2038588
Imagine how loud your last moments must be
You are in a steep inverted dive with the engines blaring NNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEAAAAARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
while everyone is just screaming in the cockpit and you are farting loudly and it smells bad and then dead
It's so brutal man. It's so brutal.

>>2032799
Wait until you find out about putting trains on boats.

did any planes crash when the site was down?

>>2038960
https://www.newsweek.com/langley-air-force-base-plane-crash-what-we-know-2063792

>potomac crash narrative published by the NY Times
>pilot (type 2) was given instructions multiple times and didn’t listen
>was told to turn left to horizontally seperate from the plane
>didn’t turn left and instead plowed right into it

I can only imagine the NTSB report
>Sir, the NTSB released its final report regarding the Potomac mid-air collision
>They have? What’s the reason?
>Sir, it’s…just one page…and it’s just a coffee emoji

>>2038960
>>2038960
Yes a mooney on final in tennessee
Im betting it was carb ice based of thr conditions in PA that day
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/small-plane-crashes-tennessee-killing-3-board-rcna203173

not a crash but another close call at Reagan with planes and helicopter
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/03/nx-s1-5385802/dca-army-black-hawk-helicopter-airlines-abort-landings

Cessna Citation crashed in San Diego this morning reminiscent of the French Valley crash a few years ago.
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/513483

>>2044014
Why are you doing this!?

Fucks sake planetists can you stop necroing threads from 1897 every time there’s a crash in the news

>>2044018
not our fault if a thread on this board has a longer lifespan than an average Boeing

somehwat offtopic, but what are the best cases covered in this series, from an engineering perspective?

>>2044331
Anything involving fatigue (the metal kind)

>>2044331
I'm partial to the ones on cockpit resource management. Some of the stupid shit that people let happen because of what the social centre of their brain is wired for is compelling. Also they made asian actors dress up in traditional Korean garb for that one episode

As a bonus sometimes the crew do a stellar job and save the day, that's always nice to see

>>2044033
carlos

>>2032787
The answer is to ban domestic flights and replace them with high speed rail. That would eliminate 90% of air traffic and take collisions almost to 0.

can vapour phase locking really be a possibility as this moeymaxxed, familymaxxed, statusmaxxed chad says?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaEa-VPW70Y

>>2044695
ru roh

>>2044695
I'm just a sim pleb reading PPRUNE but a 787 engine has a fuel pump run from power taken directly off the turbine shaft (PMA). This also supplies the FADEC. So no hydraulic pressure or electric bus is required to keep an engine running. Probably the engines failed first, causing loss of power / hydraulics as a consequence. Now I'm off to read the FCOM myself.

Really funny seeing all the jeets online activating enmass to astroturf the pilot error, going through all sorts of mental gymnastics like "muh fuel contamination" or "faulty flaps"

>>2044706
Pretty hard to hit both fuel cutoffs accidently, but I've seen worse (AF447).

>>2044695
Content creators need to skinned alive.

>>2044018
fuck off and lurk more

pprune jannies have killed themselves, it's ogre
case closed

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Again, this thread has become a Hamsterwheel of repetition and guesswork mixed in with nuggets of information and professionalism.

Until we have the time and ability to sort out which is which it will be closed.

>>2034259
If nothing nothing else embraer makes sturdy airframes capable of cutting the wings of 737s (gol 1907), survive repeated 5 g pull ups (air astana 1388), or this botched landing.

*ahem*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VswFVpyg5ew

You've read it here first: AirIndia 171 crashed because of fecal contamination in the fuel tanks.

I'll stick to lighter than air flight. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RhdzRuWYMnc

Technically not a crash, but an unsafe evacuation after a mistaken fire alert while still on the ground: >>>/wsg/5917850

https://nitter.net/flightradar24/status/1942545242814619785
>According to media reports, a person was sucked into the engine of an aircraft taxiing for takeoff at Milan Bergamo Airport. The accident occurred at 10:38 local time. It is currently unclear why the person was on the taxiway
Grim

>>2047865
expensive funeral

Official preliminary crash report on the dreamliner submitted to the Indian government today. Not released to the public yet. What do you guys think is going to be in it?

>>2047865
https://avherald.com/h?article=52a0c1db&opt=0
Looks like a suicide.

>>2047887
>What do you guys think is going to be in it?
Boeing hitting the ground hard.

>>2047887
poo in the fuel

>>2047887
>https://www.reuters.com/world/india/investigators-submit-preliminary-report-air-india-crash-indias-aviation-ministry-2025-07-08/
>Aviation industry publication the Air Current, opens new tab first reported the focus on the fuel switches that help power the plane's two engines.
>It was not clear what specific actions involving the fuel switches are being looked at by investigators.
>Sources told the Air Current that the available information on the black boxes could not rule in or out improper, inadvertent or intentional actions that preceded or followed the apparent loss of thrust before the aircraft crashed.
Suicide or retardation, call it.

>>2047865
A bit more month ago in the airport a Pakistani managed to hide himself inside the wheel bay of a 737 he was found during the walk around in the morning

>>2047932
Hardly surprising. And after all that sperging about the takeoff configuration, too.

>>2047932
Retardation. First officier accidentally turned off the fuel.
It's the first officier because nobody is talking about him (or her), probably because they knew beforehand that he (or she) was retarded.

>>2047932
Jarvis, generate an AI video of the indian copilot filming a tiktok where he flips off the fuel cutoffs on climbout, in the style of indians trying to not get hit by trains and then getting gored to death

>>2047932
>Suicide or retardation, call it.
*RETARD* *RETARD*

>>2047932
On Jul 11th 2025, while still waiting for the preliminary report to be released by India's AAIB/DGCA with India already on Jul 12th 2025, a reader made The Aviation Herald aware of a Service Bulletin released by General Electrics (the engine manufacturer) and the FAA: Service Bulletin FAA-2021-0273-0013 Attachment 2, which recommends the replacement of the MN4 microprocessor on ECU with respect to engine fuel and control stating: "This recommendation is to address a condition that may affect Flight Safety." The service bulletin further states: "Accumulated thermal cycles of the EEC with age causes the solder ball to fail."

another case of the great american engineering at work

>>2048207
>5 year old service bulletin that recommends replacing a small part that might get worn after 10,000 flight cycles
Either completely unrelated nothingburger or the Jeets skipped it

>>2047887
>>2047932

https://youtu.be/-a4kpQHvEXU
BBC officially reporting fuel shut offs intentionally activated
Also reporting CVR caught one pilot asking the other why did you do that

>inb4 Samir you are breaking the plane!

>>2048207
Imagine a jihadi jeet sudokus and you blame it on GE/Boeing. The black death will come upon your mother.

https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1943761141999841781

>>2048238
>thrust levers idle
retard

>>2044018
Sauce?

>>2047932

>>2047932
Someone did not want to go to London

NOOOOO DO NOT REDEEM DO NOT REDEEM THE FUEL SWITCHES SAAAR DO NOT REDEEM!

>>2048257
Sir why did you cutoff?

If it is Boing, plane's not going!

>>2048265
I'll show you who is Dalit benchod basterd

>>2044017

'not feeling great today haha I wonder what will happen if I turn off these two switches under takeoff haha lmfao'
- this is the human glue holding all this complicated shit together huh, how very inspiring!

This turned out to be even worse than the flaps for throttle theory what the fuck

>>2048257
retarded tourist here.
I have no clue about the fuel cutoff switches. can be these switches controlled by software? maybe something heavy fell on top of them, moving them to the cutoff position?

>>2048241
>However, the EAFR data revealed that the thrust levers remained foward (takeoff thrust) until the impact.
The levers were in takeoff and only went to idle after the impact.

>>2048316
software=no. Also you have to physically pull it up and away from the panel before you can change the switch's position, you can't just "flick" it.

>>2048316
No chance. It’s really impossible to fathom why this happened, it was either deliberate like Germanwings or the equivalent of a child just playing with the switches and “accidentally” turning the plane off. It honestly seems more like the latter, which is genuinely fucking crazy to me.

>>2048324
>the equivalent of a child just playing with the switches and “accidentally” turning the plane off
yeah, that's the impression I get from some comments, that one of the pilots (captain maybe) might have done is as a joke.. the FO was flying the plane, right? might have been the captain, then? do you think someone who has experience flying planes can be stupid enough to make a joke like this and not think that it might cost them their lives?

>>2048328
>>2048324
This wasn't an Aeroflot flight.

funnily enough, a bunch of people do mention "cutoff" early in the avherald thread:
https://avherald.com/h?comment=528f27ec&opt=0

Smells like Lubitz

>>2032993
Good one, anon

>>2048345
The Flight Number isn't starting with 4U, though.

>controls your fate

>>2048321
Yes that's exactly what I posted

>>2048366
It's not a huge problem unless it happens during takeoff or landing.

>>2048366
>Flaps 10, 15, 17 and 18
what the fuck, I thought Boeing simplified the flap choices since the 757/767. Must be effectively a takeoff only setting?

why don't they just have a pair of buttons, one saying 'FLY' and one saying 'DON'T FLY'

would make things easier, imo

>>2048428
>pilot hits "DON'T FLY" at 30k feet.

Same result. As long as a meat bag is in control of the plane, shit will go wrong at a disproportionately increased rate.

>>2032625 (OP)
Pilots are suiciding en masse

>>2032729
suicide.

>>2032800
More people survive a sinking boat than a falling plane.

>>2033119
Soon my love. Soon.
Allah wills it.

>>2033880
>No serious injuries were reported after the SEPTA car was fully engulfed in flames shortly after leaving the Crum Lynne Station.
They can't stop winning

>>2034192
Superior female pilot skills. If it was a man, everyone would have died. They are too prideful

>>2033119
pierre also deserves a medal

>>2048428
Airplane manufacturers want to do this, but pilots don't want to become glorified button pushers and no one can design a computer that can handle any type of problem a plane can encounter.
Though, 99% of the time, the plane flies by itself, pilots mostly handle takeoff, landings and paperwork.

>>2048469
>no one can design a computer that can handle any type of problem a plane can encounter
You know, people have been saying this about automobiles as well, yet shit has overall been working just fine (within the limited areas of permitted operation), hasn't it?
I like humans, I mean, I am one myself, but I'm not quite sure, I want any human to steer anything heavier than himself in public.
Give a human a button and he will figure out how to fuck things up for everyone.

>>2048507
If a car goes wrong you can just pull over.

>>2048515
True, but most cases of something going wrong with cars involves the actions of drivers.
https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot
https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot

>>2048569
This data is just in the US.

>>2048507
lol, go ride a Waymo, they're giant pieces of shit. It's only used because a woman would rather be driven by a bot than a "creep". Put another tampon before you post next time.

>>2048582
>disparaging corpo carbots
that sounds like terror talk to me, careful anon terrorism is a crime, show due respect to your techbot overlords and lick those boots

>SEOUL, July 21 (Reuters) - The South Korea-led investigation into Jeju Air's fatal plane crash in December has "clear evidence" that pilots shut off the less-damaged engine after a bird strike, a source with knowledge of the probe said on Monday.
>The source said the evidence, including the cockpit voice recorder, computer data and a physical engine switch found in the wreckage showed pilots shut off the left engine instead of the right engine when taking emergency steps after a bird strike just before it was scheduled to land.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/evidence-shows-jeju-air-pilots-shut-off-less-damaged-engine-before-crash-source-2025-07-21/

Why can't they put a big red light next to the fuel cutoff showing which engine is fucked?

>>2049262
Maybe they need to stop saying "number 1 engine" or "number 2 engine" like they're talking about peepee and caca and instead say left and right like normal ass people, I know I'd probably shut the wrong one half the time if I was in that situation

>>2049262
>>2049263
Not clicking that jew article, but, some newer B737 NGs (and all MAXes) already show which engine is fucked if it's on fire. But the way your quote is written, and what I've seen already, it looks like both engines got fucked. Hard to say without CVR or FDR if they made the wrong decision if the jet was fucked anyway.

>>2049263
The B737 has always had it's engines labeled #1 and #2. And before you make yourself more of a faggot, that's clearer language than Left or Right. For push crews and ARFF, numbered engines are clearer and help to avoid confusion during fatigue or an emergency.

>Russian An-24 crashes near Chinese border
Random accident, part wearout from sanctions or air defense getting itchy trigger fingers?

>>2049478
How many fucking major crashes is that since December???

>>2049478
My money is on random accident, seems like it was an old plane that probably didn't need foreign parts and the chinese border isn't active. But never discard good old russian incompetence and/or drunkness.

Where is the Fucking parachutes that the passengers needs to survive these crashes!? Like when that Air India plane was struggling to take off, passengers could have Hella easily started jumping out the emergency exits and pulling the shoot chords and more than just 1 Fucking person could have made it! Fucking Bros!

>>2049532
Look man it was a funny bit you were doing at first but its run its course

>>2049488
>December
Why that month specifically? Sounds like sampling bias
>Bros we've had over 10,000 plane crashes since 1970!