Thread 2046124

>free buses
Cagebros...should I be afraid...?

>>2046124 (OP)
did you mean to post to /o/?

I used to laugh off the people who were like "both sides reeeee" until I saw the unhinged reaction to this guy's winning the primary. They already tried free buses on some routes and it increased ridership, thus decreasing load on other modes of transport. More and better housing stock was never controversial until a brownoid with "DSA" next to his name advocated for it.

When both dem and rethugnican establishment is freaking out over this guy you know the system is rigged. Dems are saying he's going to kill all the job creators and he hates Jews, repubs are just skipping all the pretense and saying he should be disappeared by ICE and deported as a commie terrorist.

You could look at this in two ways. One option is to say "well, actually see that's just letting them get away with fare evasion". You could bring back a system that intuitively passes the gut feel test for fairness. A fraction of a percent of problem passengers will thus be encouraged to act out, thus creating a pretext to come down hard on antisocial behavior, stop everything, call the cops, take the bus out of service, and wait an hour for them to show up and look pissed that their donut break got interrupted.

Or you could say fuck it, the results are what matter most, I just want to get from point A to point B. You don't get an opportunity to bring the system to a halt so you can have an epic showdown that solves nothing. But on the other hand, everything runs better.

Rational, cool headed results-oriented technocrats will obviously choose the second. But a lot of people are not rational. They are motivated by feelings and nothing but feelings. They crave confrontation and they want to see a showdown between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". So they'll gladly make everything worse just to scratch that itch.

>>2046124 (OP)
Why would the cagrebros be afraid when more cagies cage, cageies cage for free even?

>>2046124 (OP)
>bus
Imagine the smell

>>2046129
>Or you could say fuck it, the results are what matter most, I just want to get from point A to point B. You don't get an opportunity to bring the system to a halt so you can have an epic showdown that solves nothing. But on the other hand, everything runs better.
>Rational, cool headed results-oriented technocrats will obviously choose the second. But a lot of people are not rational. They are motivated by feelings and nothing but feelings. They crave confrontation and they want to see a showdown between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". So they'll gladly make everything worse just to scratch that itch.

Even if buses went directly to and from where you wanted to be without excessive stops, transfers, and delays (which, by the way, they don't), quality matters. Transit advocates know this—if going from point A to B was the priority, then in most cities trains shouldn't be built at all, bus line with a few BRT lines should do the trick (the "Randall O'Toole approach") and normal people know this too—they want a safe, orderly trip without screaming homeless people or people playing shitty music on their phones with the volume all the way up; as a result, most people in the United States drive if they can afford it.

>>2046185
Do you take public transit? I can tell you don't, so let me fill you in on a secret. Almost all the craziest shit happens on buses and trains that have barely any riders. By increasing ridership you decrease the number of crazies. As the article shows, making the bus free increased the ridership. And it decreased the amount of violent incidents. The rest of your response is now just muh fee fees, as predicted.

>>2046191
Can you fucking cage shills please fuck off to >>>/o/ already. Its an AUTObus you're talking about. Fucking cagies.

>>2046194
I accept your concession.

>>2046194
It's goy cattle cart with smelly browns for poors lol

>>2046185
>I care about safety!
>Anyways you should just drive a car, anon.

>>2046185
>I care about safety, Chud!
>So you should just shut up and buy a car already!

Why come the bus ain't free?

>>2046128
No one gives a shit about the busses. The problems are more about his promises to abolish the police, ban federal law enforcement from the city, and socialize the fucking grocery stores.

>saying he should be disappeared by ICE and deported as a commie terrorist.
Prior advocacy for terrorist organizations (Hamas) and/or being a communist are legal grounds for rejection of a citizenship application, and if he lied on the form they can absolutely legally kick him out. Personally though while that would be hilarious I don't believe anyone should swoop in like that and save NY from the consequences of their decisions. Like California it needs to be a cautionary example for the rest of the country.

>>2046274
>saying carpet bombing kid is bad = supporting hamas
Thank you for reminding the room that you're retarded

p.s. people elected this guy because they're sick of your bullshit, so congrats on turning the public against you, I guess

>>2046274
v. nosy post desu

>>2046274
>The problems are more about his promises to abolish the police, ban federal law enforcement from the city, and socialize the fucking grocery stores.
I wish
t. actual commie
>>2046278
That means glowing post, but that makes no difference to you amirite?

>>2046274
I love how every /pol/poster is suddenly a hyper-captialist policy wonk whenever a socialist wants to help people.

>>2046277
Yes, "globalize the intifada" just means "stop bombing kids".

>>2046332
If you don't understand how having government owned stores with price controls and no rent or property tax will bankrupt every private business then it's no wonder you're poor bus trash.

>>2046332
It seems he criticized Modi once so all the Indian /pol/posters are getting paid overtime this week

>>2046340
2 lakh crores have been deposited in your BJP account

>>2046341
>no arguments
ok

>>2046340

Its stupid because groceries in NYC are pretty damn cheap all things considered if you're 1. Not buying at a Gristedes or Stop and Shop or Whole Foods 2. Not cherrypicking midtown Manhattan prices. Even a Target is better than either

I pay the same or less for groceries than most people outside of NYC because we have a huge competitve market already. The city owned grocery stores makes sense in food deserts like the slums of Philly and Baltimore but even the slums in NYC have ethnic supermarkets that have cheap groceries.

>>2046349
>Gristedes
Funny you should mention that.

Anyway I haven't been inside a Gristedes in like 20 years. And Whole Foods isn't expensive, do you even live here?

>>2046355
>whole foods
>most of them are in manhattan or north brooklyn
>isnt expensive

its more expensive than ctown or trade fair or even a target so why would i go, i just checked their skinless boneless chicken thighs are $1.50/lb more and milk is $1 more than target.

nyc grocery prices are only expensive if you cherrypick manhattan pricing, its cheap anywhere else outside midtown and inline with the rest of the country. all the major chains list their grocery prices online nowadays if you want to cross shop between target, whole foods, stop and shop, and kroger. i pay the same amount for groceries as someone outside of nyc but i make more money than them = more affordable than if i lived outside of nyc

>>2046383
it isn't though, you're just not comparing like for like. ctown is "cheap" because they carry a lot of bottom shelf crap, but if you want anything slightly less shitty than absolute bottom shelf, the markup is extreme because they know you're less price sensitive than the poor EBT customers. people think WF is a ripoff because they go there and stock up on single serve 1 oz blister packs of pre-shaved DOCG 24 month prosciutto di parma and the little boxes of broccoli micro greens and then they're mad that it cost more per calorie than the 2 kg krasdale jamonada bricks they got at ctown

look at what things actually cost, like bulk grains and nuts, or air chilled chicken, whole foods is cheap as fuck if you actually know how to cook

>>2046128
And I'm over here laughing my ass off watching people justify another AOC socialist type that will increasingly win in NYC. The brown lower class needs more gibs, but we must support Israel. This is why the jews always vote democrat. This guy fucks it up, and they are going crazy. You know they are losing control when both sides want him gone. It's hilarious to watch as a former new yorker.

>>2046207
>t. Garfield La'zanya

>>2046124 (OP)
Leftist politcians in cities are unironically retarded when it comes to crime though.
His solution to grocery stores closing due to rampant shoplifting isn't to deal with the shoplifting but to open public grocery stores at the taxpayers expense instead.

>>2046124 (OP)
Free Busses are a double-edged sword. I live in Kansas City, Missouri and our city leadership made busses free back in 2020. Granted, this is a heavily car-centric city anyway, but making the busses free has been a mixed bag. At first, it did help to increase ridership. But in the long term not so much. The municipal authority that oversees the bus system is KCATA. Historically, the bus system was funded primarily through bus fares. They took the fares away, and diverted tax funds to make the busses free. This was fine.

Here's the problem. The bus system didn't only go through Kansas City. The KCATA bus system also went to many suburban communities, many of which are small municipalities entirely surrounded by the city of Kansas City. Like Gladstone, MO - it is surrounded by KCMO to north, south, east, and west. Anyway, having the bus go through there wasn't an issue, because riders in Gladstone, many of whom worked in KC and commuted on the bus, just paid their fare. Well, now the far is free. And so the KCATA is now demanding that Gladstone pays $200k per year for the bus system. Gladstone doesn't want to do this because it means they'll have to tax their citizens more, many of whom don't ride the bus.

The result? The bus system now doesn't have any stops in Gladstone. You can't get on the bus or off the bus in Gladstone, even though it drives through the area on the same route.

This is happening in other municipalities here like Raytown and Belton and elsewhere. They make the busses free, but then demand that these other places pay hundreds of thousands for the privilege of bus service.

That's been one downside. Now that the bus is free, the network isn't as extensive as it used to be.

>>2046662
The other downside is the riders. When you had to pay to ride the bus, which was like $1 or $1.50 for a normal ride, it was cheap enough for anyone to afford, but it still deterred the homeless from using the bus as a portable crack den. Now that the bus is free, the number of homeless people riding the bus has increased a lot. Some of them are okay, but they'll basically just ride the bus all day long and take up space because it's a warm/cool place to be out of the weather. This takes up space from people who need to use the bus to actually get to work or go places.

Worse, some homeless people just hide underneath blankets while smoking crack, meth, or huffing drugs. So, because of this, a lot of normal people who would otherwise be inclined to ride the bus now don't want to, because they have to deal with unstable drug addicts, or at least a lot more of them, than they used to deal with riding the bus.

Because of this factor, ridership has actually started to decline on the bus

I'm sure in New York City it might turn out to be different given that people there don't have the option of driving their car or getting a cheap Uber. But I make these posts to highlight that removing fares from public transit can have unintended downsides

>>2046128
>I used to laugh off the people who were like "both sides reeeee"
Can't believe how dumb you were. An actual NPC.
>>2046274
>Prior advocacy for terrorist organizations (Hamas)
The world's patience is increasingly wearing thin, kike.
>>2046663
>they'll basically just ride the bus all day long and take up space because it's a warm/cool place to be out of the weather
Incredible how you people will let homeless completely RULE you instead of simply rehabilitating them.

>>2046662
>>2046663
>uhhhh you can't fix the MTA because in kansas the bus is just for crackheads
We can always count on the Kansas City and Houston people to chime in with the weirdest takes on cities

>>2046694
>instead of simply rehabilitating them.
My sweet summer child, you can’t rehabilitate people who don’t want to be helped.

>>2046721
>My sweet summer child, you can’t rehabilitate people who don’t want to be helped
My sweet amerigroid, a man's mind is a very soft and easy clay.

>>2046723
you tell em kid real rehabilitation just hasn't been tried before

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirlane_McCray#ThriveNYC

>>2046721
Give them a free apartment and I promise you they'll stop living on the street.
They may trash the place, turn it into a crack den, shit in the corner, and eventually OD, but they'll stop making all public spaces unusable, and it's literally cheaper than dealing with all the societal damage they cause otherwise.
There are several times more unused, empty apartments in the US than there are homeless people.

>>2046729
This.
>>2046728
>scammy "non-profit"
Lmao you americans invented the homeless NGO industrial complex. Just house those bums, and they'll be like most fast-food cooks. Still addicted, still living in filth, still dumb but not a public nuisance and even with something of a normal life.

>>2046729
>Give them a free apartment and I promise you they'll stop living on the street.
No, they won’t. You are peak midwit projecting how you would handle the situation if you were in their shoes. Most of the people on the street are not neurotypical. Reagan closed the mental institutions, and this is what we got. It’s a disservice to them to presume they can even live on their own. They need to be institutionalized to get help, but we don’t do that anymore. Allowing them to destroy someone else’s property is exactly the kind of socialism I would expect from (You).

>>2046822
>Allowing them to destroy someone else’s property is exactly the kind of socialism
Expropriation will hardly happen on an individual level and nobody will come after your wood or metal shitbox.

Having seen this in action in California, what happens is that your mass transit becomes incredibly expensive rolling homeless shelters . Even worse than they are now, where they only use the stopped transit infrastructure and the less utilized trains. Just getting them off long enough to clean the cars requires sizable police intervention now.

>>2046694
If rehabilitating them was so simple, particularly in our existing legal framework and social services, we would have done it already. The judges sided with the squatters.

Fixing the homeless problem is more pol's department.

>>2046871
>moving the goal poasts
I accept your concession.

I’m always thinking that lefty city politicians like this are going to block every new housing proposal. And that’s the last thing New York needs because we’re in a massive housing shortage.
If anything we need more tall towers going up in Queens and Brooklyn.

>>2046908
brainwashed YIMBY thinks that housing policy that helps humans is BAD because won't someone pleeeease think of the billionaires!?!?!??!

While an ideal city would be walkable with most people using public transport or bicycles it realistically also requires the city to be safe and clean and pleasant to walk around.
If instead your city has a massive crime problem and looks like a garbage dump with homeless and drug addicts everywhere like many American cities I can't really blame people for wanting to stay inside their cars.

>>2046917
Build high-end housing and the city instantly becomes a lot nicer. Formed are willing to build the buildings and people are willing to live in them but many American pols won’t allow their construction sadly.
It would also fund better transit and infrastructure and schools.

>>2046908
His site vaguely references the need for more market-rate housing but he doesn’t go so far as to say it explicitly.

> Increasing zoned capacity. This will allow housing supply to meet New York’s demand for both mixed-income and permanently affordable housing in areas that have historically not contributed to citywide housing goals—including those cut out of City of Yes.
>Supporting climate sustainability and accessibility. By encouraging growth around subway stations and other public transit hubs across New York City, we will create a greener city.
>Eliminating parking minimums. The City should be building housing, not parking lots.

>>2046124 (OP)
>"Public transportation is flooded with dangerous criminals, Chud! So shut up and give these dangerous criminals 2 ton machines that go 120 mph!"
Cagies man.

>>2046124 (OP)
The entire idea behind public transit is that everyone contributes a little which with enough riders creates some revenue then the state/city/government pays the rest from taxes. Its like you guys are intentionally trying to fuck everything up instead of just doing what the rest of the world is doing

But it is not like he or anyone actually cares about the buses. If you can't recognize that this guy is a psychopath then I do not know what to tell (You) This is why I don't even bother with politics. Guy with typical anti-white ethnic grievances shows up and act like some caricature of a pick-up artist from the early 2000s with the forced smile that makes him look like a psycho then some people actually believe he actually has "policies" and it matters. Lol

>>2047449
When my team does it, it's based. When the other team does it, it's cynical political posturing.

>>2047451
I'm not even American. You should always assume that any politician pretending to solve all the problems in the world is full of bullshit regardless of party alliance.
But I have more sympathy towards Trump because even though he is full of shit and I disagree with a lot of Republican policies at least they are trying to stop the country from turning into another violent South American shithole. This guy is just yet another ungrateful 3rd worlder with ethnic grievances

2047452
>uhhhhh actually you can't criticize me because I'm above it all and conveniently I'm not even american, both sides are bad I just randomly happen to only pipe up when it's time to criticize one of these sides, but actually I don't believe in anything so, gotcha! ha ha!
interesting, haven't seen this variant in a while

>>2047453
I don't get this post at all because I did not even try to hide the fact that I generally sympathize with Trump and dislike people with anti-white grievances.
But Trump was just as much bullshitting when he simultaneously proposed 3 digit tariffs on the entire world and promised to bring down inflation for example. Or to bring back all sorts of manufacturing home without a price increase.

At the end of the day New York is a world financial headquarter, rent is a bit too high but not even outstanding compared to local salaries and taxes compared to similarly wealthy places. And everything else is much cheaper. I watched that video with the gyro plate where he argued that the $10 plate could be cheaper. $10 for a gyro plate like that is below Eastern European prices. Compare the prices in places like Zürich, Luxemburg or Copenhagen.
But anyway this whole discussion is pointless because again, no one cares about prices or rent or policies it is all just ethnic identity politics.

This isn't going to actually happen. The NYC accountants are going to shoot down everything interesting when he realises he can't just print money and he's just going to be a paki Adams

Can we agree that free fare would increase the stinky homeless people on the bus?

>>2051473
Yeah, I don't like the idea of free transport service because of this. If it isn't the case already though, there could be a significant price reduction for tax-paying residents.

>>2046129
KANSAS CITY MENTIONED

>>2046194
Hahahaha, no.
>>2047452
You sound cool. I'd like to buy you a beer.

>>2046191
>some % decrease of assaults
Yeah no shit with higher ridership the number of assaults / pax-mile decreased. This still does not address that for choice riders safety and user experience is important, and free transit does not address that.

increasing ridership, while also lowering revenue
seems retarded to me
Not to mention that you aren't increasing the amount of people taking the bus to work, its just people/druggies/bums/old retired sorts taking more lower value bus trips

>>2047449
If you want to go somewhere, you should be paying the cost for your trip out of your own pocket

Whether its car, plane, train, or bus or whatever
Theres no reason why buses need to be government run, with fat unionized drivers

>>2051523
Well the reason is that minimum (read: slave) wage doesn't afford a vehicle plus parking in addition to other living expenses; but the companies still want their cheap labor, so the government gets to pick up the slack to get the wagie between their ghetto and place of work.

>>2046124 (OP)
attachskitchng bars.

>>2046124 (OP)
Realistically, I imagine his free bus proposal will start small and scale up. Even if he makes a few lines free across each borough, he can pretty much say he's introduced free buses in some capacity. The "fast" part of his proposal might be a little harder to pull off unless his metric of that is just enforcing bus lane violations more assertively.

>>2051534
I can't tell if this image is meant to be anti-car and imply we need less cars on the road to stop pedestrian deaths, or if it's actually meant to be pro-car and imply that cars are actually a good thing as it results in the deaths of more melodramatic Redditors. I'm personally going with the ladder.

>>2051544
>the ladder.
to climb the gallows to your death, I hope.
it's "the latter," congratulations on being an idiot who tries to use words he doesn't know in a feeble attempt at look more intelligent than the average mouth-breathing car enthusiast.

>>2051579
>>2051607
you have to go back, future 41%

>>2052246
Stop trying to make kansas city happen, it won't

>>2051521
>the data proves riders chose to ride more when it's free
>but what if riders stop riding because quality!

What? Retards who think they'll get raped on the bus don't want to ride the bus anyway. buses are for people who want to ride buses.

All I can imagine is some kind of bus connoisseur who was enjoying their perfectly 20-30% capacity bus trips, until those pesky poors showed up and now he's forced to ride his limousine again.

>>2051613
is this vid supposed to be cringe? the baldie is flocked by like 20 hoes, they/them are swimming in more pussy than your entire genetic lineage. they mean-mugged the camera because they're gonna fuck the recorder's mom next

>>2052258
>swim in pussy
>only have a rotting axewound for a dick
grim

Quien sabe, solo digo casa es casa
4.7110° N, 74.0721° W

>>2046129
>Assaults on bus drivers dropped
Alright I'll play devil's advocate. Of course the attacks on the dude who has to collect the cash does down, but what about overall crime?

>>2052365
It says right there. Bus driver assault 38.9 percent, security incidents dropped by 39 percent, and fare collection interactions were what triggered most of these incidents. The other 0.1% is statistical noise.

>>2052256
One of the common findings from free transit studies is that the increase in ridership is usually from short distance trips; people aren't leaving their cars to take the bus, they're taking the bus instead of walking or cycling. This results in the long distance trips moving back to their cars from the increased crowding.

>>2052375
Are there even any countries that made long distance transit free?
Of course people won't switch from their cars to a local commuter train for long distance trips.

>>2052370
39% security incidents in KC not NYC the only thing reported to drop in NYC is assaults on bus drivers not overall crime

>>2052439
>have a public service
>run it for profit
>don't break even because it's a public service, not a casino
>say it's "unsustainable" and defund it further
woah

>>2052446
>run public service
>the only public it benefits from are anti-social rabble that inflate crime and don't pay taxes
>make up a reason to remove it for the public benefit
>it ends up on /n/

>>2052452
>be too poor to have a lot of income tax
>people at one rung higher than you on the economic hierarchy think you should die
>be too rich to pay any taxes whatsoever
>people 100,000 rungs below you on the economic hierarchy want to suck your cock
Why is the lower middle class like this?

>>2052474
>rung

>>2052477
Almost fell for it but you've been doing this too much lately

>>2052477
Dumbass

>>2052446
That is how the US works most of the time

>>2052477
it's true, you don't even know English

>>2051523
Taxes from increased productivity would offset cost of travel

>>2046634
>grocery stores closing due to rampant shoplifting
it's about price gouging, if anything NYC is getting too many new supermarkets. In the last few years it's just ridiculous, there's a strip of Myrtle where there are like 3 good sized supermarkets within 2 blocks of each other and that's in the hoodrat/druggie part of Bed Stuy

>>2051499
multi-track drifting!!

>>2052246
If the boomer tabloid known as the Jew York Post hates it, then I'm all for it

>>2046699
Not like it matters. Mamdani's free shit agenda is obvious Monkey's paw socialism, made even worse by support of pro-crime and pro-foreigner positions. Even where busses don't have crackheads and crazies now, Mamdani will be sure to import more of them.

>>2046191
No it doesn't. Free buses just increases the amount of turbo poorfags who cant afford a fucking 1 dollar bus fee. Most of these people are homeless violent drug addicts. Buses should cost 10 dollars. Anyone with anywhere to go will be able to afford that. Homeless crackheads cant. Start having cops on busses who enforce that fee also. The bus is already filled with said druggies who dont even pay the 1 dollar fee.

>>2052258
They clearly all just finished a gender studies class together. The only thing that miscreant has fucked is his future

>>2052474
Rich people make the world a less pleasant place via their soft power, but Bezos isn't stabbing your neck on the public bus because he's a diagnosed schizo the state refuses to incarcerate after his previous three assaults.
The utter refusal of public transport fags to never want to address the reality of (mostly black) dangerous people being free to just camp out on said transport will ensure it never takes off in the US.

>>2053323
Yes it's mass transit people that eviscerated the public health system and kicked everyone out of mental hospitals in the south because public policy = "we can just shoot those people with a gun"

>>2053334
they need to be in jail you dumbfuck

>>2053334
You're missing my point, it's not that busfags are responsible for the problem (even though by political affiliation they are) it's that they refuse to ADDRESS the problem. You have to kick forbid these people from public transport if you want it used.

>>2053346
So your plan is what? Make everyone fill out an affidavit swearing under penalty of perjury that they have not been convicted of a violent crime? Let's hear an actual, serious proposal that consists of more than just "lol libtards r dum xd xd xd le tolerance of paradox"

>>2053347
>Let's hear an actual, serious proposal that consists of more than just "lol libtards r dum xd xd xd le tolerance of parado
Actually imprison violent criminals for life instead of letting them just goof around, and allow citizens on public transport to utilize force to disable people that get violent on busses.

>>2053349
Did you mean use force in actual self defense, which is already allowed, or do you mean we need to encourage vigilantes to preemptively attack people for "looking dangerous" (being black)? Just say what you mean, it's not like you're going to have to convince anyone by making a real argument since nobody takes you seriously in real life either

>>2053353
>Did you mean use force in actual self defense, which is already allowed
I meant this but it's not actually allowed because as you're aware, the places that have the worst problem with aggressive homeless people and blacks on public transport are also places with DAs that will prosecute self defense or good samaritan cases.

>>2053347
>Let's hear an actual, serious proposal
Prosecute criminals and put them in jail.
Give repeat violent offenders long sentences without parole to keep them off the streets. Cops know who they are. The courts know who they are. There's no excuse. They are bad people. Lock them up.
That is a serious proposal.
"Liberal"(commie) cities just aren't doing it.
>lol libtards r dum xd xd xd
They are though. Libtards keep electing people who implement increasingly blatant pro-crime policies because they fall for stupid and obviously wrong arguments about racism and feel-good platitudes about reform vs punishment.

>>2053354
You mean the guy who jumped a hobo who was yelling at people, and strangled him to death? That's called a preemptive attack.

>>2053356
Tell you what, have cops stop planting drugs on people and lying on the witness stand, and maybe the public will actually trust them to go after the right people instead of just incarcerating innocent people by the thousands just to make quota

>>2053358
Or the guy that shot a serial child rapist and a serial woman-assaulter after they both tried to kill him?

>>2053359
>Brooklyn Police
Oh shit you mean the deep blue heckin' walkable city is a shithole full of crime and corrupt cops?

>>2053359
Fighting corruption is not an excuse to do what liberals are doing.
We have numerous advancements and methods to crack down on cop corruption, like body cameras.
This is mostly an excuse for Soros lawyers to turn criminals loose on the streets and literal retards like you keep falling for it again and again. Then you cover your eyes and plug your ears and act like "welp there's nothing that can be done" when a repeat-offender homicidal maniac stabs a random innocent white Ukrianian refugee to death on public transit.

>>2053362
Rather disingenuous argument after your people just got done deleting half the federal government using "corruption" as an excuse, please do try to lecture me about incrementalism though, I'm sure you totally believe the things you say and it's not just another cynical attempt to own the libs

>>2053365
Looks like you've just given up any pretense of caring about public transit or crime and have just gone full-on partisan aggro and are trying to change the subject.
I don't even want MAGA to be "my people." I always considered myself a moderate liberal. The problem is that the "left" and Democrats have been completely overrun by morons like you, completely bereft of common sense and out of touch with reality.

>>2046129
If you allow people who would attack the bus driver for asking a few dollars fair more access into the bus then who the FUCK wants to take the bus anymore?
You do not live in the real world. The real world actual functional solution is to get these fucking animals out of the buses so normal people don't have to be worried about safety and so the system doesn't have to worry about fare dodging.

>>2053369
asserting that corrupt and unaccountable policing makes crackdown on general violence based on the likely loose and flexible law changes that would permit the kindof retaliation many people would immediately like to see against psychos in transit settings target the wrong people isnt unrealistic

t. nta authority

Hot take: Just ban cars entirely. Have the whole city a be a light rail-like/monrail-like system. It would save money and congestion over time, reduct carbon emissions and people don't go broke over paying 700-1000 for a car and all of its expenses of a month.

As for the cost, make the rails different prices, that way the poorer people can have access to places for free even if it's longer and your transportation cost can be zero or you can have more expensive ones are extremely quick. No need to salt streets and the rails go directly to schools so there's no school buses.

There you go. I fixed urban life. As for rural retards, you just have to move I guess. You were never going to make it in the boonies anyway.

>>2054635
Hot take: Just remove roads and exits to the boonies. If you want to live in the boonies and away from everyone over "muh wage uh life", then fine we will just cut you off so the rest of the country doesn't have to suffer trying to appease you.

>>2054635
>>2054636
the urbanite reveals himself

i wish your city had trucks cut off from it for a week so you fags cannibalize yourselves chinese-style before being enslaved by niggers

>>2046191
>"The solution is dilution"
Proven failure

>>2053349
Here's what's going to happen:
>imprison all crime, no parole
>some crime still occurs on public transit
>reactionaries move the goal posts and exploit existing (reduced) crime as excuse to further defund and remove public transit
>"crime and justice" libs who compromised are bamboozled and think they just didn't compromise with reactionaries hard enough
Not that it's without merit to throw the book at all anti-social bullshit on transit. but you can see the austerity magic trick underneath it all from a mile away.

>>2053736
nice fucking sentence, jesus

>>2054941
Straw man. Also, you have no point.

>>2053353
We shouls start profiling black people with tattoos and the ones that look like dirty bums. It's not that hard

>>2053354
Atheists won't want to hear this, but the solution to our modern problems is for true christianity to proliferate and be allowed to be practiced again

>>2054367
Then the blacks wonder why no one likes them and their wigger "friends"

>>2054640
>enslaved by niggers
>implying niggers aren't going to be the first ones to cannabalize themselves

>>2054640
>implying we can't run freight trains with an intricate rail system

>>2054999
>freight trains
>replacing trucks in any way
delusional

>>2054960
DEUTSCHLAND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuDtACzKGRs

>>2054960
>>2055041
should've placed a "more likely" before the final "isn't" thougher
and I should have hyphenated the enclosed statememt about the kneejerk-desire people have when they see transit violence - like this -

were I not phoneposting lazily i should have just split up the sentence instead of just stubbornly typing on and refusing to deal with the fidgety touch interface and frustrating text navigatio

>>2055037
Freight carries way more cargo than your trucks can. Seethe more autocuck

>>2046124 (OP)
thread anthem: https://youtu.be/79QxturUolo
>>2051535
basado

amerifats need the courage to fight nogoodniks on their buses, crime and drugs will always exist

>>2055054
>why yes thank you for delivering these 800 tons of coal within 20 miles of my convenience store, this will surely save my tranny nigger ridden city from starving to death!
Go onto the road and throw yourself under a bus.

>>2055087
>Cage troll seething this mad
Proves my point. You can literally use LRT vehicles to carry the same amount of cargo as trucks can. Seethe Cagenigger

>>2055090
>You can literally use LRT vehicles to carry the same amount of cargo as trucks can
mental illness

>>2055100
Seethe, more Gasoline sniffer

>>2055124
No, he's right. You're delusional and have absolutely no concept of the relevant economics.

>>2046124 (OP)
My US city moved to free busses during the pandemic. Before it wasn't great, typical bus shenannigans, but I would take it from time to time. After they made it free, I will not use the bus unless it's an absolute last resort. Yeah, there were homeless and other street people before, but it was tolerable. It's fucking crackhead general on them now. It's not even so much a safety thing. I have a CCW, but it's just the fact that I swear that everything is now caked in a oily and gritty layer of dried urine. Floors, seats, walls, and the smell.

>>2055131
Why not? The vehicles have the same function, you can attach trailer like cars, with side boarding to carry around typical cargo. Then for XL Cargo that's what you have bed cars for.
Explain to me why a Light Rail cargo train can't do what several trucks can

>>2055185
>The vehicles have the same function, you can attach trailer like cars, with side boarding to carry around typical cargo.
delusional

>>2055185
>Why not?
Because roads and parking lots can be as cheap as a flat space with some gravel or even just dirt. Even more expensive roads are many times cheaper than rail. Roads are simple and multi-functional, most are usable by any vehicle with wheels as well as pedestrians. Roads are easy to build by any community no matter how small or how large, and can easily connect to the entire interstate truck-accessible network. Roads can turn at sharp angles and can be wide enough to have street parking, meaning vehicles can stop and do business without holding up other traffic on the road.

I can't tell if it's comical or sad that /n/ doesn't understand these basic things.

>>2055037
he's definitely delusional but this used to be a thing in actual industrial districts. every factory would have a rail siding maybe its own rail truck to carry a few containers at a time to the local rail depot

thoughbeit freight road trucks existing is not a reason for you personally to NEEEEEEEEEEEED some coal-rolling fucked caster F-350

>>2046662
>Gladstone doesn't want to do this because it means they'll have to tax their citizens more, many of whom don't ride the bus.
>The result? The bus system now doesn't have any stops in Gladstone. You can't get on the bus or off the bus in Gladstone, even though it drives through the area on the same route.
>This is happening in other municipalities here like Raytown and Belton and elsewhere. They make the busses free, but then demand that these other places pay hundreds of thousands for the privilege of bus service.
>That's been one downside. Now that the bus is free, the network isn't as extensive as it used to be.

True communism has been tried and you've gotten BTFO by it, kekw. why should you get bus service if your city doesn't pay taxes into it?

>>2055759
>why should you get bus service if your city doesn't pay taxes into it?
You're implying the city balked at the price of a couple bus stops, instead of jumping on whatever excuse to remove fent zombie spawn points from their community, since that's who's joy riding a free air conditioned box all day.

>>2055761
the city removed suburban stops and is where the fent zombies come from in the first place. yes, they probably did balk at the cost of not just continuing to maintain bus stops but also running service to them

>>2055762
I should have been more clear, I meant the suburb balked at having a bus stop because of hobos and the costs were a distant secondary concern.

>>2055759
>he's definitely delusional but this used to be a thing in actual industrial districts.
still is in places. I know a quarry where trains arrive directly and take thousand ton loads to ship across the country. The same site also sees hundreds of dump trucks coming and going. They load up with gravel (10-20 tons at a time) to bring directly to construction sites all over the region.

>>2053353
What if we had black only bus lines and non-black only bus lines?
Problem solved

>>2051522
It's, probably going to skew more towards druggies and bums since this is for "police reform" and "rehabilitation", meaning criminally insane blacks are allowed to do whatever they want to.

>>2052477
lol, funniest esl catch I've had in a while
you got got, paco

I rode free public transport in Luxemburg and it was a very pleasant experience. Every time I take the public transit in Europe, South Korea, China and Japan it is a nice experience with decent people. Why is America such a shithole that the busses are somehow depicted as worse hellholes than Indian shitbox busses that race 20 over speed limits off a cliffside into incoming traffic?

>>2055962
Don't believe everything you read online. Stories of public transit being unsafe or uncomfortable in the US are often exaggerated to fit a narrative.

That said, public transit in the US is almost always slower and less convenient than any other mode of transit because the infrastructure and land use is designed for the convenience of cars, so it ends up being the travel mode of last resort pretty. So people who are poor, homeless, have criminal records, or substance abuse issues end up over-represented (relative to the population as a whole) on public transit and around public transit stations because it's their only option for transportation. This in turn feeds the perception that public transit itself is inherently unsafe and uncomfortable.

>>2055962
Don't believe everything you read online. Stories of public transit being unsafe or uncomfortable in the US are often exaggerated to fit a narrative.

That said, public transit in the US is almost always slower and less convenient than any other mode of transit because the infrastructure and land use is designed for the convenience of cars, so it ends up being the travel mode of last resort. So people who are poor, homeless, have criminal records, or substance abuse issues end up over-represented on public transit and visible around public transit stations because it's their only option. This in turn feeds a perception that public transit is itself unsafe and uncomfortable, and so when stories about incidents on public transit are reported they're readily believed and often amplified.

The other thing to keep in mind is that government at local, state, and national levels in the US has strong incentives to encourage the consumer spending and tax revenue associated with automobiles, and very little incentive to develop public transit unless the local population is densely settled enough to demand it. This is why the cities in the US that have decent public transit today are nearly all cities that had good public transit in 1900, and sustained enough population density throughout the 20th century that their networks weren't completely removed to make way for cars.

>>2046124 (OP)
this is impossible to promise

>>2055972
>good public transit in 1900, and sustained enough population density throughout the 20th century that their networks weren't completely removed to make way for cars.
And embedded point here that most fail to grasp is the scale of population migrations in the US during the last 100 years. Many American cities that are big now (eg Phoenix, AZ) were very small a century ago, while other cities that were large and important then (eg Buffalo, NY) have shrunk dramatically.
Less applicable to NYC but NYC has its own issues with population change.

>>2055972
The good transit I've heard about from friends and family are the long haul sleeper amtrack services which seem comfy. And the Brightline in Florida.
But I get tue points you have made.

>>2056050
I've taken the Lake Shore Limited line, which runs from Chicago to NYC and Boston-- though it's been 4-5 years. It's not fancy. The cars were old and ugly but otherwise clean and spacious. Dining options weren't great but I'd often just bring a sandwich. It's rarely crowded. Often don't even need to share a double seat. It's just slow. It's like a 10 hour trip from Rochester to Boston (6 hour drive by car, though traffic in Sturbridge can slow you down substantially). Never had any problems with vagrants/bums/etc. On at least two occasions there were Mennonite families sharing a car with me. Once I sat with a cute 20yo female bartender who chatted my ear off the entire trip about her trials and tribulations in the restaurant industry but that's pretty much the only passenger I even remember.

>>2056124
That sounds like a fun experience. I don't mind slow and old sleeper/day rides. I've travelled through Eastern Europe, rural southern Europe, China and SK with those slow ass old trains. Sometimes I just enjoy the ride and scenery alone, while other times you get to chat with other travellers.
The funniest ones I remember include the sleeper car from Germany to Poland, where the Czech trio next door were filming porno in their room. The door was busted open by the conductor because they didnt open the door on time and were quite loud. The other one was an old Korean lady narrating her life story for 4 hours to me when I speak at most 5 words of Korean. Final one was me helping an old lady load in her farm goods on the train in rural China, she was fucking benching 70 kg with a bamboo carrying pole. She handed me a few bok choy as reward which I had the local restaurant cook for me (you have the option to bring your own ingredients to certain small restaurants in China).

>>2046634
>Leftist politcians in cities are unironically retarded when it comes to crime though.
No, they aren't retarded. They literally want more crime. The broken window fallacy doesn't apply to political power and Islam wants to break the windows of everyone who isn't a Muslim.

>>2051473
>>2051497
>>2055143
Keeping mass transit facilities from becoming really expensive homeless shelters and public bathrooms is already an issue.

>>2046129
>>2046191
>>2052375
I also am skeptical of the claimed safety improvements and increase in utilization. I see this framed too often as rider per mile or rider per hour, but those stats are juiced because of the permabums building a new life in the back third of the bus, racking up loads of miles and hours. That isn't an improvement, and on lines that were hitting peak capacity before, it's effectively a drop in capacity.

We are definitely getting free buses, look at this. He speaks arabic and spanish and the bodega cats let him pet. They always slink away when I try to pet. What am I doing wrong, chat?

>>2047449
>israel ghoul
>would browbeat over years old second degree comments
>would never condemn israel for committing genocide
>it didnt happen and if it did it wasnt that bad and if it was it wasnt their fault and if it was they deserved it ahh reasoning
>accuses others of narcissistic sociopathy

>>2056306
hes not wrong. they assault the bus driver over having to pay 2.90. if they dont have to pay the 2.90 they have no reason to assault the driver. it's some "if you kill your enemy they win" shit but just like that soundbite there is a kernel of truth to it. the buses operate at a loss anyway

>>2058053
You've never worked around ghetto ass bullshit and it shows. They could decriminalize fare evasion, and not have the bus driver fight with them at all, instead of giving up entirely just as an example.

But first, lets see how many of this dude's promises he keeps.

>>2058054
>They could decriminalize fare evasion, and not have the bus driver fight with them at all
both of these things are already in force, do you think the bus drivers all get the stun rods out as soon as a nigger passes by without paying because their pay will get docked if they don't fight for that 2.90?

>>2058080
nta and I can see it going either way on the claimed reduction in crime, but I think this is a kind of broken window theory combined with nudge theory. you have a lot of people who serve as onlookers. you have a small group of potential troublemakers, who will always do crime no matter what. and you have an even smaller group of marginal people who might be tempted to do a crime, but it depends on what mood they're in.

the precursor to this is when they enter the environment in question, you either prime them as "criminals" by presenting a fare collection contraption to disobey to the pearl-clutching of onlookers, or you don't do so, no pearls get clutched, and their psychological state remains as it was. it won't make a difference in 99.9% of cases, but it only takes 0.1% to make a blip in the overall number of stabbings or whatever. or so the theory might go.

now it should be noted that this is widely considered a racist, right-wing, gentrifying, classist, pro-prison-industrial-complex, highly problematic theory of criminal justice. so it is interesting to see right wingers do a 180 and oppose it this time, because this time it came in a proposal raised by a supposed libtard bleeding heart commie. but we've seen a lot of things like this lately, people abandoning their principles in favor of tribal loyalty.

>>2058108
wouldnt the "racist, right-wing, gentrifying, classist, pro-prison-industrial-complex, highly problematic theory of criminal justice" simply to throw your hands up and say
>niggas gonna nig
and then increase fares because you have already admitted that some part of your population are simply going to nig out regardless of context and will nig even if the bus is free

>>2046124 (OP)
>free buses
removing a barrier for entry for jihadist psychos or 'mentally ill' african americans with a penchant for stabbing ukrainian refugees or random strangers without provocation who normally wouldn't take a bus

>>2058121
Because back before you were born, there were results-oriented people in power who sexually identified as conservatives, back before the right became a safe space for people with hurt feelings, grievances, obsessive recurring revenge fantasies, and so on. At the time, experts was something that both sides routinely did. They appealed to different experts of course, because reasonable people could actually disagree without being intentionally dishonest, but to some extent everyone accepted that subject matter expertise was something that, if it influenced policy, that was a good thing. And some people who identified as conservative had some people telling them about how if you fix the broken windows it makes the delinquents behave. And the experts said so and that was good enough for them because those policy makers at the time accepted that their expertise was policy and legislative process, rather than data and sociology and criminal psychology and whatever.

It's different today. Today, your feelings arise, you let them wash over you, you perhaps stoke those feelings because it makes you feel alive, and then, if there's data to back that up, and the person you're talking to seems like a stupid libtard who listens to muh fauci muh science, then you cite data. But if they don't seem that way, then you call them a tranny or a nigger. If this is all you ever knew because you are a zoomzoom, then it probably seems very strange to imagine and nothing I can tell you will help you get it, so I guess call me a nigger loving tranny now and we can move on.

>>2058149
>*appealing to experts was something that...