Thread 2046124

>free buses
Cagebros...should I be afraid...?

>>2046124 (OP)
did you mean to post to /o/?

I used to laugh off the people who were like "both sides reeeee" until I saw the unhinged reaction to this guy's winning the primary. They already tried free buses on some routes and it increased ridership, thus decreasing load on other modes of transport. More and better housing stock was never controversial until a brownoid with "DSA" next to his name advocated for it.

When both dem and rethugnican establishment is freaking out over this guy you know the system is rigged. Dems are saying he's going to kill all the job creators and he hates Jews, repubs are just skipping all the pretense and saying he should be disappeared by ICE and deported as a commie terrorist.

You could look at this in two ways. One option is to say "well, actually see that's just letting them get away with fare evasion". You could bring back a system that intuitively passes the gut feel test for fairness. A fraction of a percent of problem passengers will thus be encouraged to act out, thus creating a pretext to come down hard on antisocial behavior, stop everything, call the cops, take the bus out of service, and wait an hour for them to show up and look pissed that their donut break got interrupted.

Or you could say fuck it, the results are what matter most, I just want to get from point A to point B. You don't get an opportunity to bring the system to a halt so you can have an epic showdown that solves nothing. But on the other hand, everything runs better.

Rational, cool headed results-oriented technocrats will obviously choose the second. But a lot of people are not rational. They are motivated by feelings and nothing but feelings. They crave confrontation and they want to see a showdown between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". So they'll gladly make everything worse just to scratch that itch.

>>2046124 (OP)
Why would the cagrebros be afraid when more cagies cage, cageies cage for free even?

>>2046124 (OP)
>bus
Imagine the smell

>>2046129
>Or you could say fuck it, the results are what matter most, I just want to get from point A to point B. You don't get an opportunity to bring the system to a halt so you can have an epic showdown that solves nothing. But on the other hand, everything runs better.
>Rational, cool headed results-oriented technocrats will obviously choose the second. But a lot of people are not rational. They are motivated by feelings and nothing but feelings. They crave confrontation and they want to see a showdown between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". So they'll gladly make everything worse just to scratch that itch.

Even if buses went directly to and from where you wanted to be without excessive stops, transfers, and delays (which, by the way, they don't), quality matters. Transit advocates know this—if going from point A to B was the priority, then in most cities trains shouldn't be built at all, bus line with a few BRT lines should do the trick (the "Randall O'Toole approach") and normal people know this too—they want a safe, orderly trip without screaming homeless people or people playing shitty music on their phones with the volume all the way up; as a result, most people in the United States drive if they can afford it.

>>2046185
Do you take public transit? I can tell you don't, so let me fill you in on a secret. Almost all the craziest shit happens on buses and trains that have barely any riders. By increasing ridership you decrease the number of crazies. As the article shows, making the bus free increased the ridership. And it decreased the amount of violent incidents. The rest of your response is now just muh fee fees, as predicted.

>>2046191
Can you fucking cage shills please fuck off to >>>/o/ already. Its an AUTObus you're talking about. Fucking cagies.

>>2046194
I accept your concession.

>>2046194
It's goy cattle cart with smelly browns for poors lol

>>2046185
>I care about safety!
>Anyways you should just drive a car, anon.

>>2046185
>I care about safety, Chud!
>So you should just shut up and buy a car already!

Why come the bus ain't free?

>>2046128
No one gives a shit about the busses. The problems are more about his promises to abolish the police, ban federal law enforcement from the city, and socialize the fucking grocery stores.

>saying he should be disappeared by ICE and deported as a commie terrorist.
Prior advocacy for terrorist organizations (Hamas) and/or being a communist are legal grounds for rejection of a citizenship application, and if he lied on the form they can absolutely legally kick him out. Personally though while that would be hilarious I don't believe anyone should swoop in like that and save NY from the consequences of their decisions. Like California it needs to be a cautionary example for the rest of the country.

>>2046274
>saying carpet bombing kid is bad = supporting hamas
Thank you for reminding the room that you're retarded

p.s. people elected this guy because they're sick of your bullshit, so congrats on turning the public against you, I guess

>>2046274
v. nosy post desu

>>2046274
>The problems are more about his promises to abolish the police, ban federal law enforcement from the city, and socialize the fucking grocery stores.
I wish
t. actual commie
>>2046278
That means glowing post, but that makes no difference to you amirite?

>>2046274
I love how every /pol/poster is suddenly a hyper-captialist policy wonk whenever a socialist wants to help people.

>>2046277
Yes, "globalize the intifada" just means "stop bombing kids".

>>2046332
If you don't understand how having government owned stores with price controls and no rent or property tax will bankrupt every private business then it's no wonder you're poor bus trash.

>>2046332
It seems he criticized Modi once so all the Indian /pol/posters are getting paid overtime this week

>>2046340
2 lakh crores have been deposited in your BJP account

>>2046341
>no arguments
ok

>>2046340

Its stupid because groceries in NYC are pretty damn cheap all things considered if you're 1. Not buying at a Gristedes or Stop and Shop or Whole Foods 2. Not cherrypicking midtown Manhattan prices. Even a Target is better than either

I pay the same or less for groceries than most people outside of NYC because we have a huge competitve market already. The city owned grocery stores makes sense in food deserts like the slums of Philly and Baltimore but even the slums in NYC have ethnic supermarkets that have cheap groceries.

>>2046349
>Gristedes
Funny you should mention that.

Anyway I haven't been inside a Gristedes in like 20 years. And Whole Foods isn't expensive, do you even live here?

>>2046355
>whole foods
>most of them are in manhattan or north brooklyn
>isnt expensive

its more expensive than ctown or trade fair or even a target so why would i go, i just checked their skinless boneless chicken thighs are $1.50/lb more and milk is $1 more than target.

nyc grocery prices are only expensive if you cherrypick manhattan pricing, its cheap anywhere else outside midtown and inline with the rest of the country. all the major chains list their grocery prices online nowadays if you want to cross shop between target, whole foods, stop and shop, and kroger. i pay the same amount for groceries as someone outside of nyc but i make more money than them = more affordable than if i lived outside of nyc

>>2046383
it isn't though, you're just not comparing like for like. ctown is "cheap" because they carry a lot of bottom shelf crap, but if you want anything slightly less shitty than absolute bottom shelf, the markup is extreme because they know you're less price sensitive than the poor EBT customers. people think WF is a ripoff because they go there and stock up on single serve 1 oz blister packs of pre-shaved DOCG 24 month prosciutto di parma and the little boxes of broccoli micro greens and then they're mad that it cost more per calorie than the 2 kg krasdale jamonada bricks they got at ctown

look at what things actually cost, like bulk grains and nuts, or air chilled chicken, whole foods is cheap as fuck if you actually know how to cook

>>2046128
And I'm over here laughing my ass off watching people justify another AOC socialist type that will increasingly win in NYC. The brown lower class needs more gibs, but we must support Israel. This is why the jews always vote democrat. This guy fucks it up, and they are going crazy. You know they are losing control when both sides want him gone. It's hilarious to watch as a former new yorker.

>>2046207
>t. Garfield La'zanya

>>2046124 (OP)
Leftist politcians in cities are unironically retarded when it comes to crime though.
His solution to grocery stores closing due to rampant shoplifting isn't to deal with the shoplifting but to open public grocery stores at the taxpayers expense instead.

>>2046124 (OP)
Free Busses are a double-edged sword. I live in Kansas City, Missouri and our city leadership made busses free back in 2020. Granted, this is a heavily car-centric city anyway, but making the busses free has been a mixed bag. At first, it did help to increase ridership. But in the long term not so much. The municipal authority that oversees the bus system is KCATA. Historically, the bus system was funded primarily through bus fares. They took the fares away, and diverted tax funds to make the busses free. This was fine.

Here's the problem. The bus system didn't only go through Kansas City. The KCATA bus system also went to many suburban communities, many of which are small municipalities entirely surrounded by the city of Kansas City. Like Gladstone, MO - it is surrounded by KCMO to north, south, east, and west. Anyway, having the bus go through there wasn't an issue, because riders in Gladstone, many of whom worked in KC and commuted on the bus, just paid their fare. Well, now the far is free. And so the KCATA is now demanding that Gladstone pays $200k per year for the bus system. Gladstone doesn't want to do this because it means they'll have to tax their citizens more, many of whom don't ride the bus.

The result? The bus system now doesn't have any stops in Gladstone. You can't get on the bus or off the bus in Gladstone, even though it drives through the area on the same route.

This is happening in other municipalities here like Raytown and Belton and elsewhere. They make the busses free, but then demand that these other places pay hundreds of thousands for the privilege of bus service.

That's been one downside. Now that the bus is free, the network isn't as extensive as it used to be.

>>2046662
The other downside is the riders. When you had to pay to ride the bus, which was like $1 or $1.50 for a normal ride, it was cheap enough for anyone to afford, but it still deterred the homeless from using the bus as a portable crack den. Now that the bus is free, the number of homeless people riding the bus has increased a lot. Some of them are okay, but they'll basically just ride the bus all day long and take up space because it's a warm/cool place to be out of the weather. This takes up space from people who need to use the bus to actually get to work or go places.

Worse, some homeless people just hide underneath blankets while smoking crack, meth, or huffing drugs. So, because of this, a lot of normal people who would otherwise be inclined to ride the bus now don't want to, because they have to deal with unstable drug addicts, or at least a lot more of them, than they used to deal with riding the bus.

Because of this factor, ridership has actually started to decline on the bus

I'm sure in New York City it might turn out to be different given that people there don't have the option of driving their car or getting a cheap Uber. But I make these posts to highlight that removing fares from public transit can have unintended downsides

>>2046128
>I used to laugh off the people who were like "both sides reeeee"
Can't believe how dumb you were. An actual NPC.
>>2046274
>Prior advocacy for terrorist organizations (Hamas)
The world's patience is increasingly wearing thin, kike.
>>2046663
>they'll basically just ride the bus all day long and take up space because it's a warm/cool place to be out of the weather
Incredible how you people will let homeless completely RULE you instead of simply rehabilitating them.

>>2046662
>>2046663
>uhhhh you can't fix the MTA because in kansas the bus is just for crackheads
We can always count on the Kansas City and Houston people to chime in with the weirdest takes on cities

>>2046694
>instead of simply rehabilitating them.
My sweet summer child, you can’t rehabilitate people who don’t want to be helped.

>>2046721
>My sweet summer child, you can’t rehabilitate people who don’t want to be helped
My sweet amerigroid, a man's mind is a very soft and easy clay.

>>2046723
you tell em kid real rehabilitation just hasn't been tried before

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirlane_McCray#ThriveNYC

>>2046721
Give them a free apartment and I promise you they'll stop living on the street.
They may trash the place, turn it into a crack den, shit in the corner, and eventually OD, but they'll stop making all public spaces unusable, and it's literally cheaper than dealing with all the societal damage they cause otherwise.
There are several times more unused, empty apartments in the US than there are homeless people.

>>2046729
This.
>>2046728
>scammy "non-profit"
Lmao you americans invented the homeless NGO industrial complex. Just house those bums, and they'll be like most fast-food cooks. Still addicted, still living in filth, still dumb but not a public nuisance and even with something of a normal life.

>>2046729
>Give them a free apartment and I promise you they'll stop living on the street.
No, they won’t. You are peak midwit projecting how you would handle the situation if you were in their shoes. Most of the people on the street are not neurotypical. Reagan closed the mental institutions, and this is what we got. It’s a disservice to them to presume they can even live on their own. They need to be institutionalized to get help, but we don’t do that anymore. Allowing them to destroy someone else’s property is exactly the kind of socialism I would expect from (You).

>>2046822
>Allowing them to destroy someone else’s property is exactly the kind of socialism
Expropriation will hardly happen on an individual level and nobody will come after your wood or metal shitbox.

Having seen this in action in California, what happens is that your mass transit becomes incredibly expensive rolling homeless shelters . Even worse than they are now, where they only use the stopped transit infrastructure and the less utilized trains. Just getting them off long enough to clean the cars requires sizable police intervention now.

>>2046694
If rehabilitating them was so simple, particularly in our existing legal framework and social services, we would have done it already. The judges sided with the squatters.

Fixing the homeless problem is more pol's department.

>>2046871
>moving the goal poasts
I accept your concession.

I’m always thinking that lefty city politicians like this are going to block every new housing proposal. And that’s the last thing New York needs because we’re in a massive housing shortage.
If anything we need more tall towers going up in Queens and Brooklyn.

>>2046908
brainwashed YIMBY thinks that housing policy that helps humans is BAD because won't someone pleeeease think of the billionaires!?!?!??!

While an ideal city would be walkable with most people using public transport or bicycles it realistically also requires the city to be safe and clean and pleasant to walk around.
If instead your city has a massive crime problem and looks like a garbage dump with homeless and drug addicts everywhere like many American cities I can't really blame people for wanting to stay inside their cars.

>>2046917
Build high-end housing and the city instantly becomes a lot nicer. Formed are willing to build the buildings and people are willing to live in them but many American pols won’t allow their construction sadly.
It would also fund better transit and infrastructure and schools.

>>2046908
His site vaguely references the need for more market-rate housing but he doesn’t go so far as to say it explicitly.

> Increasing zoned capacity. This will allow housing supply to meet New York’s demand for both mixed-income and permanently affordable housing in areas that have historically not contributed to citywide housing goals—including those cut out of City of Yes.
>Supporting climate sustainability and accessibility. By encouraging growth around subway stations and other public transit hubs across New York City, we will create a greener city.
>Eliminating parking minimums. The City should be building housing, not parking lots.

>>2046124 (OP)
>"Public transportation is flooded with dangerous criminals, Chud! So shut up and give these dangerous criminals 2 ton machines that go 120 mph!"
Cagies man.

>>2046124 (OP)
The entire idea behind public transit is that everyone contributes a little which with enough riders creates some revenue then the state/city/government pays the rest from taxes. Its like you guys are intentionally trying to fuck everything up instead of just doing what the rest of the world is doing

But it is not like he or anyone actually cares about the buses. If you can't recognize that this guy is a psychopath then I do not know what to tell (You) This is why I don't even bother with politics. Guy with typical anti-white ethnic grievances shows up and act like some caricature of a pick-up artist from the early 2000s with the forced smile that makes him look like a psycho then some people actually believe he actually has "policies" and it matters. Lol

>>2047449
When my team does it, it's based. When the other team does it, it's cynical political posturing.

>>2047451
I'm not even American. You should always assume that any politician pretending to solve all the problems in the world is full of bullshit regardless of party alliance.
But I have more sympathy towards Trump because even though he is full of shit and I disagree with a lot of Republican policies at least they are trying to stop the country from turning into another violent South American shithole. This guy is just yet another ungrateful 3rd worlder with ethnic grievances

2047452
>uhhhhh actually you can't criticize me because I'm above it all and conveniently I'm not even american, both sides are bad I just randomly happen to only pipe up when it's time to criticize one of these sides, but actually I don't believe in anything so, gotcha! ha ha!
interesting, haven't seen this variant in a while

>>2047453
I don't get this post at all because I did not even try to hide the fact that I generally sympathize with Trump and dislike people with anti-white grievances.
But Trump was just as much bullshitting when he simultaneously proposed 3 digit tariffs on the entire world and promised to bring down inflation for example. Or to bring back all sorts of manufacturing home without a price increase.

At the end of the day New York is a world financial headquarter, rent is a bit too high but not even outstanding compared to local salaries and taxes compared to similarly wealthy places. And everything else is much cheaper. I watched that video with the gyro plate where he argued that the $10 plate could be cheaper. $10 for a gyro plate like that is below Eastern European prices. Compare the prices in places like Zürich, Luxemburg or Copenhagen.
But anyway this whole discussion is pointless because again, no one cares about prices or rent or policies it is all just ethnic identity politics.

This isn't going to actually happen. The NYC accountants are going to shoot down everything interesting when he realises he can't just print money and he's just going to be a paki Adams

Can we agree that free fare would increase the stinky homeless people on the bus?

>>2051473
Yeah, I don't like the idea of free transport service because of this. If it isn't the case already though, there could be a significant price reduction for tax-paying residents.

>>2046129
KANSAS CITY MENTIONED

>>2046194
Hahahaha, no.
>>2047452
You sound cool. I'd like to buy you a beer.

>>2046191
>some % decrease of assaults
Yeah no shit with higher ridership the number of assaults / pax-mile decreased. This still does not address that for choice riders safety and user experience is important, and free transit does not address that.

increasing ridership, while also lowering revenue
seems retarded to me
Not to mention that you aren't increasing the amount of people taking the bus to work, its just people/druggies/bums/old retired sorts taking more lower value bus trips

>>2047449
If you want to go somewhere, you should be paying the cost for your trip out of your own pocket

Whether its car, plane, train, or bus or whatever
Theres no reason why buses need to be government run, with fat unionized drivers

>>2051523
Well the reason is that minimum (read: slave) wage doesn't afford a vehicle plus parking in addition to other living expenses; but the companies still want their cheap labor, so the government gets to pick up the slack to get the wagie between their ghetto and place of work.

>>2046124 (OP)
attachskitchng bars.

>>2046124 (OP)
Realistically, I imagine his free bus proposal will start small and scale up. Even if he makes a few lines free across each borough, he can pretty much say he's introduced free buses in some capacity. The "fast" part of his proposal might be a little harder to pull off unless his metric of that is just enforcing bus lane violations more assertively.

>>2051534
I can't tell if this image is meant to be anti-car and imply we need less cars on the road to stop pedestrian deaths, or if it's actually meant to be pro-car and imply that cars are actually a good thing as it results in the deaths of more melodramatic Redditors. I'm personally going with the ladder.

>>2051544
>the ladder.
to climb the gallows to your death, I hope.
it's "the latter," congratulations on being an idiot who tries to use words he doesn't know in a feeble attempt at look more intelligent than the average mouth-breathing car enthusiast.

>>2051579
>>2051607
you have to go back, future 41%

>>2052246
Stop trying to make kansas city happen, it won't

>>2051521
>the data proves riders chose to ride more when it's free
>but what if riders stop riding because quality!

What? Retards who think they'll get raped on the bus don't want to ride the bus anyway. buses are for people who want to ride buses.

All I can imagine is some kind of bus connoisseur who was enjoying their perfectly 20-30% capacity bus trips, until those pesky poors showed up and now he's forced to ride his limousine again.

>>2051613
is this vid supposed to be cringe? the baldie is flocked by like 20 hoes, they/them are swimming in more pussy than your entire genetic lineage. they mean-mugged the camera because they're gonna fuck the recorder's mom next

>>2052258
>swim in pussy
>only have a rotting axewound for a dick
grim

Quien sabe, solo digo casa es casa
4.7110° N, 74.0721° W

>>2046129
>Assaults on bus drivers dropped
Alright I'll play devil's advocate. Of course the attacks on the dude who has to collect the cash does down, but what about overall crime?

>>2052365
It says right there. Bus driver assault 38.9 percent, security incidents dropped by 39 percent, and fare collection interactions were what triggered most of these incidents. The other 0.1% is statistical noise.

>>2052256
One of the common findings from free transit studies is that the increase in ridership is usually from short distance trips; people aren't leaving their cars to take the bus, they're taking the bus instead of walking or cycling. This results in the long distance trips moving back to their cars from the increased crowding.

>>2052375
Are there even any countries that made long distance transit free?
Of course people won't switch from their cars to a local commuter train for long distance trips.

>>2052370
39% security incidents in KC not NYC the only thing reported to drop in NYC is assaults on bus drivers not overall crime

>>2052439
>have a public service
>run it for profit
>don't break even because it's a public service, not a casino
>say it's "unsustainable" and defund it further
woah

>>2052446
>run public service
>the only public it benefits from are anti-social rabble that inflate crime and don't pay taxes
>make up a reason to remove it for the public benefit
>it ends up on /n/

>>2052452
>be too poor to have a lot of income tax
>people at one rung higher than you on the economic hierarchy think you should die
>be too rich to pay any taxes whatsoever
>people 100,000 rungs below you on the economic hierarchy want to suck your cock
Why is the lower middle class like this?

>>2052474
>rung

>>2052477
Almost fell for it but you've been doing this too much lately

>>2052477
Dumbass

>>2052446
That is how the US works most of the time

>>2052477
it's true, you don't even know English

>>2051523
Taxes from increased productivity would offset cost of travel

>>2046634
>grocery stores closing due to rampant shoplifting
it's about price gouging, if anything NYC is getting too many new supermarkets. In the last few years it's just ridiculous, there's a strip of Myrtle where there are like 3 good sized supermarkets within 2 blocks of each other and that's in the hoodrat/druggie part of Bed Stuy

>>2051499
multi-track drifting!!

>>2052246
If the boomer tabloid known as the Jew York Post hates it, then I'm all for it

>>2046699
Not like it matters. Mamdani's free shit agenda is obvious Monkey's paw socialism, made even worse by support of pro-crime and pro-foreigner positions. Even where busses don't have crackheads and crazies now, Mamdani will be sure to import more of them.

>>2046191
No it doesn't. Free buses just increases the amount of turbo poorfags who cant afford a fucking 1 dollar bus fee. Most of these people are homeless violent drug addicts. Buses should cost 10 dollars. Anyone with anywhere to go will be able to afford that. Homeless crackheads cant. Start having cops on busses who enforce that fee also. The bus is already filled with said druggies who dont even pay the 1 dollar fee.

>>2052258
They clearly all just finished a gender studies class together. The only thing that miscreant has fucked is his future

>>2052474
Rich people make the world a less pleasant place via their soft power, but Bezos isn't stabbing your neck on the public bus because he's a diagnosed schizo the state refuses to incarcerate after his previous three assaults.
The utter refusal of public transport fags to never want to address the reality of (mostly black) dangerous people being free to just camp out on said transport will ensure it never takes off in the US.