The Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge averages 260,000 vehicles daily, each paying a $8 toll.

>>2046586 (OP)
Interesting how they stay backed up after the toll booths and there's an 'equilibrium point' of sorts where they break free

>>2046586 (OP)
>Brings in $0.75 billion/year
>Charges an $8 toll
Fucking criminal to the tax payer.

>>2046607
>[thing taxpayers agreed to support] is "criminal to the tax payer"
Can boomers and/or spiritual boomers please stop saying this?

>>2046594
do you not see the traffic control lights above the road there, tell each car when it can merge?

>taking the bridge that takes you from the decent part of the bay area (east bay) to one of the worst (san francisco)

>>2046611
>Bridge costs a tens of millions to maintain every year.
>Charge hundreds of millions in tolls.
This is unconscionable and never should have been presented to voters.

And what about the San Rafael bridge and the San Mateo bridge

>>2046621
Someday it will need to be outright replaced. All bridges end up needing it.
I'm not certain even the revenue being collected for decades could cover the construction costs for that. Costs of megaprojects are so turbofucked.

>>2046621
it cost billions to build, so the toll is just paying that tax burden off to those who don't live in california and thus don't use that bridge

>>2046612
lmao Murricans are so shit at driving they need individual lights to merge without a pileup.

>>2046586 (OP)
Who are the chads allowed to avoid the toll booths?

>>2046692
HOV (3+) and buses

>>2046703
Are there unemployed hitchhikers at both ends, offering to ride with you if you pay them $5?

>>2046586 (OP)
Just one more lane should fix it!

>>2046691
Yes. It’s incredibly aggravating

>>2046586 (OP)
The more you watch it, the worse it gets.
Why are literally all American motorists either impatient assholes, entitled retards, or both?

>>2046727
>The more you watch it, the worse it gets.
Why?

>>2046586 (OP)
One more lane's gonna fix it.

>>2046715
>>2046744
Ha ha that's even funnier the second time thanks for the laugh anon

>>2046727
Because we imported too much of the 3rd world and those guys all drive now

>>2046750
no anon, you are the third world.

>>2046746
It gets funnier with each added lane.

>>2046586 (OP)
>10 fucking lanes for cars
>not enough space for a bike lane and foot path on both sides, though.

Wow. American infrastructure makes the thirdies seethe

>>2046586 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco–Oakland_Bay_Bridge#Rail_removal
>Automobile traffic increased dramatically in the ensuing decades of the bridge's opening. This, among other things, resulted in the Key Systems decline, and by the 1960s having rails on the bridge had become obsolete and a detriment to traffic, as they carried nothing on them. Work began on removing the tracks in October 1963. After the work was completed, the Bay Bridge was reconfigured with five lanes of westbound traffic on the upper deck and five lanes of eastbound traffic on the lower deck. The Key System originally planned to end train operations in 1948 when it replaced its streetcars with buses, but Caltrans did not approve of this. Trucks had their ban lifted and were allowed on the top deck for the first time. Due to this, the upper deck was retrofitted to handle the increased loads, with understringers added and prestressing added to the bottom of the floor beams. This retrofit is still in place today, and is visible to Eastbound traffic on the western span.

>In current times, there have been attempts to restore rail service to the bridge, but none were successful. A study released in 2000 estimated the cost of restoring rail service across the bridge at up to $8 billion ($14.6 billion in 2024).

>>2046772
America can't be third world by definition retard
>>2046821
The Indians ITT has never left their village and has never seen a street with more than 2 lanes please be patient with them saar they are still learning

>>2046938
by the US definition which no one cares about anymore

>>2046939
Why do all you subhumans risk your lives for a chance to get into US at every opportunity then? Your sister would sell her every orifice if it meant she got a green card for it and you know it perfectly well.

>>2047036
maybe before the US committed ritual suicide due to twitter-induced psychosis (nta btw)
nobody is coming to the US voluntarily, likely ever again

>>2046936
One of the especially painful losses of US public transport. The bridge railway was criminally kino and could have been turned with little investment and no difficulty into a modern LRT. Which shows just how ahead of its time it was.

>>2047039
>nobody is coming to the US voluntarily, likely ever again
India and China are the 2nd and 3rd largest source of immigrants coming into the United States (1st is Mexico but they border the US so it's to be expected)
So tell me Pajeet, who doesn't want to come where again?

>>2046772
>import the third world become the third world
Yes, this happened, that was my point.

>>2047054
>future looking statement based on events over the last few months
>uhhh actually here are some stats from the last 10 years!!!!
Thank you for failing the breakfast question so spectacularly, I might have made the mistake of actually trying to have a conversation otherwise

and now it is time to do what I do with all urbanism threads

>>2046666
bridges do not cost billions to build

>>2047076
>>uhhh actually here are some stats from the last 10 years!!!!
No, these are stats from last year. Keep coping retard

>>2046691
People are not good at making traffic flow smoothly. They try to follow too closely and accelerate faster than they ought to. It causes spontaneous pileups and jams without traffic control systems.

>>2046607
The bridge costs a bunch of money to maintain and the excess goes to maintain the other six bridges that the Bay Toll Authority owns that don't pull in hundreds of millions of dollars, but still require money.
>muh taxes
This is a simple usage tax that only effects the people directly using the asset. It's the simplest and most efficient tax that totally isolates people who don't use the asset or use it minimally. The other option would be to tax everyone in the usage area and you would be crying even more. You're literally a toddler whining about having to pay for things that cost money. Just another brainlet welfare queen crying about how they don't have enough gibsmedats.

>>2046712
Washington DC has a thing like this with the slug lines. Certain spots outside the city have meet up points where people just get in and get dropped off at certain other meetup points in the city. No money is exchanged, they just top up the car to meet the HOV requirement. The DC area express lanes use dynamic pricing, so during rush hour the full journey from outer suburbs to downtown can go as high as $30+. Took a big hit with COVID though and hasn't quite recovered since.

>>2046594
yeah it's called merging, merging causes congestion and if you are past the merge you don't get caught up by congestion anymore. you would know it if you had a drivers licence

>>2046607
if you don't like it, you can take BART which is half the price from downtown oakland to downtown SF

>>2047415
>you would know it if you had a drivers licence
>licence
Foreigner lol

>>2047415
>if you don't like it, you can take BART which is half the price from downtown oakland to downtown SF
nah when you factor in both ways bart is about the same price when you add in the price of gas

>>2046607
Then drive around FAGGOT

>>2047082
This bridge literally did

>>2047668
>Built for $6.5 billion
>Collect $0.75 billion/year in tolls
So we should expect the tolls to come off in roughly 10 years, right?

>>2047689
How much does that bridge cost in maintenance every year? Do the other six bridges the authority is responsible for make enough to cover their maintenance? Major spans will eventually need to be replaced for billions of dollars, how much is set aside for that? It's in an earthquake zone, collapse would cost billions to clean up and replace, do they have money for that?

You're one of those people who get absolutely mystified that things at the store doesn't cost the same as the cost of their raw material inputs, aren't you?

>>2047741
>Do the other six bridges the authority is responsible...
You tell me. I was tempted to make a spreadsheet the other day, but got lazy. Glancing at a few, they were bringing in over $100 million/year.

>>2047668
>Be Democrat stronghold
>Every infrastructure project takes five times longer to build and costs ten times as much as it should
Corruption and graft are ruining mass transit and souring it as a concept for many people.

>>2047782
we're too busy growing all your food, cleetus

>>2047763
It's a public organization, anon. It's easy to look up. For fiscal year 2024-2025 budget, they expected $1.058 billion in revenue ($884 million from tolls). Expenses were $894 million, giving a operating balance of $164 million. Note, that $455 million of the expenses were just interest on the existing loans and only $126 million was paid on the principal.

From that $164 million operating balance, $132 million was being spent on rehabilitation programs. The rehab budget included $47.9 million of recurring annual work and $30,3 million in painting. They also have an expected $5.004 billion in planned expenses coming up from the capital improvement programs they already have going.

So all in all, it looks like running multiple bridges and their associated regional effects is fairly expensive.

>>2047785
You make nuts and wine. All the actual food comes from somewhere between Iowa and Texas.

>>2047782
>be Republican stronghold
>there are no infrastructure projects
>the only infrastructure is grain silos

>>2047797
>don't build HSR
vs.
>don't build HSR but piss away a hundred billion dollars pretending you are
hmmm

>>2047798
hmmmusk
hmmnyperloop

>>2047806
>suddenly Elon
Did you think seething about Twitter Hitler wasting California's money was some kind of own about California not wasting money?

>>2047429
I am still a native where I live >>2046324