https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/05/22/grand-rapids-police-officer-christopher-schurr-patrick-lyoya-shooting-death-kent-county-retrial/83789722007/

Schurr, 34, faced up to life in prison on the second-degree murder charge. The former officer shot and killed Lyoya, a 26-year-old Congolese immigrant, in April 2022, when a traffic stop ended in a struggle between the two men over Schurr's Taser.

At a press conference after Becker's announcement, Schurr's attorney, Matt Borgula, said court rulings and trial testimony showed that Lloya had “exclusive control of the Taser” before Schurr made a split-second decision to shoot him. The testimony overcame "misinformation" that was spread by the plaintiff's attorneys and city officials that Lloya was lying prone on the ground and was "executed," he said.

It's strange to me that police can use tasers and pepper spray on whoever they want, but the second someone grabs their Taser now suddenly it's a life or death situation and they have the right to shoot them?

So why don't normal citizens have the same right to defend themselves, and when did Congress pass the law saying they don't?

>>1407722
>So why don't normal citizens have the same right to defend themselves
Can you point to an example where someone went to jail for shooting a criminal that grabbed their taser?
>in before California

>>1407723
I think you missed something. My point is if cops can use tasers against people as a less lethal alternative, why can they also consider using that same exact taser against an officer 'lethal force', and by what act of Congress did this change occur?

Why isn't every deployment of a taser against a normal citizen considered lethal force, justifying shooting the officer when they're engaging in an illegal arrest, for example?

I know you don't have a real response, just tell me how that boot tastes today.

>>1407725
>I think you missed something.
No, I was pretty much on target. You said:
>So why don't normal citizens have the same right to defend themselves

Problem is citizens do have the same right to defend themselves - in some instances they have MORE of a right to defend themselves than the police. I'll give you two examples out of Colorado: The unarmed man shot and killed outside of "The Dispo" weed dispensary in Pueblo West, and the shooting of Lee Keltner by Matthew Dolloff.

And I find it hilarious how you're so triggered because I asked a question you can't answer.

>My point is if cops can use tasers against people as a less lethal alternative, why can they also consider using that same exact taser against an officer 'lethal force', and by what act of Congress did this change occur?
That wasn't your point, but let's address how retarded it is. If we legally define tasers as lethal force then they can no longer be considered an option to use in self-defense - for police or citizens. At that point we might as well shoot everything that's a threat and fuck deescalating.

>I know you don't have a real response, just tell me how that boot tastes today.
LMAO so fucking salty because I asked if you could provide an example. A simple "No, I'm a dumbass who makes shit up all the time." would've worked, but I guess you have to try and save face somehow.

tl;dr mad cuz called out

>>1407727
>However, without provocation, Mr. Keltner verbally threatened and physically assaulted Mr. Dolloff and was the initial aggressor before being shot. Under Colorado's law, Matthew Dolloff had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in his actions. While I do not agree with Mr. Dolloff's decision to use lethal force, the fact remains he had the right to do so under our law.
I fail to see how your specific examples hold any relevance at all. If cops have their authority even slightly questioned, they assault, kidnap and sometimes kill people. A single example of charges being dropped against somebody acting as a security guard is a red herring at best.
>If we legally define tasers as lethal force then they can no longer be considered an option to use in self-defense - for police or citizens.
This is complete nonsense.

It's a clear double standard that cops can use tasers (and other "non-lethal" weapons) and it's fine but the moment someone uses a taser, or pepperspray or god forbid a bean-bag round on a cop, it's lethal force.

Again, since the double standard is clear - when did Congress pass the law that made it so?

Every time a black dies, dozens of people are not victim of a violent crime. It's always a net good.

>>1407756
>Every time a black
>a black
Who talks like this besides my racist grandfather?

>>1407755
>I fail to see how your specific examples hold any relevance at all.
Dolloff got slapped in the face like the bitch he is and immediately pulled out his pistol to shot Lee in the chest. In any other state that would be murder. At least with the first one (the weed shop) you could argue an imminent threat to life because a giant 'roid is pummeling the shit out of a skinny kid. But can you honestly tell me that Dolloff was at risk of serious bodily harm from being bitch-slapped? Of course not.

Nonetheless, it just reaffirms how in some cases normal citizens have even more Lee-way (seewhatididthere.jpg) to shoot than cops do.

>If cops have their authority even slightly questioned, they assault, kidnap and sometimes kill people.
Show me a time where a cop killed someone for questioning their authority.
>in before another sperging

>It's a clear double standard that cops can use tasers (and other "non-lethal" weapons) and it's fine but the moment someone uses a taser, or pepperspray or god forbid a bean-bag round on a cop, it's lethal force.
Because there's a risk of incapacitating them and taking their firearm. Now before you sperg out again claiming that
>Again, since the double standard is clear
Show me an example of this double standard. When has - fuck it I'll copy/paste my last question - Can you point to an example where someone went to jail for shooting a criminal that grabbed their taser?
>in before California

>when did Congress pass the law that made it so?
Uh, never because there's no double standard?

>>1407760
>Can you point to an example where someone went to jail for shooting a criminal that grabbed their taser?
Most normal citizens aren't walking around with a taser and a gun in the first place, and if they were, chances are the cops would kill them on sight even in a state where it's legal.

>>1407761
>Most normal citizens aren't walking around with a taser and a gun in the first place,
A simple "No, I'm a dumbass who makes shit up all the time." would've worked,
>and if they were, chances are the cops would kill them on sight even in a state where it's legal.
Cooooool ... now show me an example of cops killing people on sight for carrying a taser.

Man we're just all over the map in making-shit-up-land.

>>1407760
How about just stop attacking the police?

>>1407791
This.

>>1407791
I ... wasn't???