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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 4:08:24 PM No.1408810
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As with most Democrats, San Francisco thought students of color (specifically non asians/whites) were too stupid to be educated, so they tried to stop grading quizzes, homework and attendance, and graded tests as 40% -> C and 80% -> A
The community spoke up against their regressive reforms.
https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public-schools-equity-homework-2078003
San Francisco Public Schools Convert F's to C's, B's to A's in Equity Push

San Francisco's public high schools will implement a sweeping change to their grading system this fall, replacing traditional methods with a policy that allows students to pass with scores as low as 41 percent.

The initiative, part of a broader "Grading for Equity" push, is stirring concern among educators, students and parents over academic standards and college readiness.

The Context
Similar policies across other Bay Area districts—such as Dublin, Oakland and Pleasanton—have seen mixed results and strong community reactions. Dublin Unified attempted a pilot of equity grading in 2023, which included removing zeros for missed assignments and awarding a minimum of 50 percent for any "reasonably attempted" work.

That pilot, however, was met with outrage and resistance. Parents created petitions, formed WhatsApp groups and filled school board meetings to protest what they saw as a lowering of standards for their children. The Dublin school board eventually suspended the initiative, though individual teachers were still allowed to use the methods at their discretion.

The experiment in San Francisco comes amid — or despite — a broader rethinking of DEI initiatives after the election of Donald Trump, who ran on a platform of excising what he and many others said were "unfair" equity practices in the government and private sectors.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 4:09:09 PM No.1408811
What To Know
Superintendent Maria Su's plan in San Francisco was not subject to a public vote by the Board of Education, drawing criticism for lack of transparency. The new policy, set to affect more than 10,000 students across 14 high schools, significantly changes how academic performance is measured.

Homework and classroom participation will no longer influence a student's final grade. Students will be assessed primarily on a final exam, which they can retake multiple times. Attendance and punctuality will not affect academic standing.

The plan was first revealed in the fine print of a 25-page agenda and reported by The Voice of San Francisco, a local nonprofit. The outlet reported that the district is hiring Joe Feldman, an educational consultant known for his book Grading for Equity, to train teachers this summer.

"If our grading practices don't change, the achievement and opportunity gaps will remain for our most vulnerable students. If we are truly dedicated to equity, we have to stop avoiding the sensitive issue of grading and embrace it," Feldman said in a 2019 blog post for the School Superintendents Association (AASA).

Feldman's book outlines how traditional grading can reinforce socioeconomic disparities and proposes alternative strategies for more equitable assessment. According to The Voice of San Francisco, the new system will be modeled in part on the San Leandro Unified School District, where students can earn an A with a score as low as 80 percent and pass with a D at just 21 percent. Under the forthcoming San Francisco policy, a score of 41 percent will qualify as a C.

Educators who support equity-based grading caution against interpreting these percentages through a traditional 100-point lens. In many systems influenced by Joe Feldman's Grading for Equity, schools use a four-point rubric rather than percentage scores.
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 4:09:39 PM No.1408812
For example, a "2" on a four-point scale—indicating developing proficiency—may be numerically 50 percent, but it equates to a C in that framework. Critics of the new policy argue it lowers expectations, while supporters say it more accurately reflects student mastery without penalizing behaviors unrelated to learning.

Reactions Split
Supporters of the policy say it better reflects real student learning by de-emphasizing behavior-based penalties like late work or missed assignments. However, critics warn the policy could harm students who are already on track for college placement.

"Nowhere in college do you get 50 percent for doing nothing," said Laurie Sargent, an eighth-grade English teacher in the Dublin Unified School District, in a 2024 Mercury News report. "Nowhere in the working world do you get 50 percent for doing nothing. If I don't show up to work, they don't pay me 50 percent of my salary—even if I made a reasonable attempt to get there."

The change comes amid ongoing financial strain and declining enrollment across the district. While intended to address achievement gaps, critics argue the policy may only obscure the underlying academic challenges rather than solve them.

Such a drastic and dramatic change in the high school grading system merits greater attention and scrutiny than the school district has given it so far," wrote John Trasviña, former dean of the University of San Francisco School of Law, in an op-ed for The Voice of San Francisco.

Parents in San Francisco also have expressed frustration over being left out of the decision-making process. The school district's Office of Equity has not updated its public materials in nearly three years, and no broad outreach appears to have been conducted ahead of the rollout.
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 4:10:22 PM No.1408813
What People Are Saying
Katherine Hermens, a biology teacher at Dublin High School, told EdSurge in 2023: "It is time to emphasize learning over effort. Prioritizing learning is exactly what equitable grading does. It recognizes the individual journey of every student and acknowledges that we all learn differently—at our own pace and in various ways."

John Trasviña, former dean of the University of San Francisco School of Law, wrote in an op-ed: "Grading for Equity de-emphasizes the importance of timely performance, assignment completion, and consistent attendance."

What Happens Next
School board members in San Francisco were reportedly not given a formal vote on this policy, triggering internal governance disputes. If there is enough public pressure, the Board of Education may seek to review or override the superintendent's decision, though there is no suggestion as of yet that such a move is imminent.

Update 5/29/25 1:00 p.m. ET: This article was updated to reflect that the plan was cancelled after backlash.

Update 5/29/25, 10:40 a.m. ET: This article was updated with additional information.
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 4:40:00 PM No.1408818
>it's a chud pretends San Francisco represents everyone on the left thread
>Update 5/29/25 1:00 p.m. ET: This article was updated to reflect that the plan was cancelled after backlash.
kek
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 5:10:58 PM No.1408823
>>1408818
They were probably just excited that they finally had a chance to earn their GED
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 5:36:24 PM No.1408830
>>1408823
Newsweek was a good source 25 years ago but lately they are pandering to the lowest form of bottom feeding, clickbait reading kneejerkers
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 5:51:54 PM No.1408833
Ruh-oh, another thread with lefties having melties!
Maybe that 45% c+ they earned in school wasn't very good after all...
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 5:54:03 PM No.1408835
>>1408830
>>1408823
>>1408818
Seriously though, can you tell me why Democrat leaders have this idea that colored people can't be expected to be held to the same standard as others?
They think it's unreasonable to expect them to carry valid identification, unreasonable to expect them not to commit crimes, unreasonable to expect them to earn the same grades in school as everyone else, unreasonable to sentence them to the same criminal penalty as everyone else..

Why is this?
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 5:54:10 PM No.1408836
^^mad that his clickbait got canceled^^
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 6:00:08 PM No.1408837
>>1408836
Won't stop them from impotently bumping the thread dozens of times trying to pretend that its still a real story
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 6:13:18 PM No.1408840
>>1408837
and pretending to be multiple posters even though we all know he's the same esl faggot who's always here
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 6:50:38 PM No.1408847
>>1408840
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 7:13:37 PM No.1408849
>>1408810 (OP)
This actually has little to do with minorities and more to do with the fact kids in general these days are learning jack shit. There's an increasing problem with them being unable to properly read and instead just knowing what individual words mean; for example, they'll know that say, "Market" means because they know that particular arrangement of letters means "place where you go to get goods", but if they see a word they haven't encountered before, like say, "Application" they have no idea how to pronounce it. They know what specific arrangements of letters mean but no idea how to string sounds together to say words they've never seen before.

And this isn't just a problem with minority or even poor districts either. The issue is teachers are underpaid, school districts are underfunded, and parents have no clue how to properly teach their kids either.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 7:39:56 PM No.1408850
>>1408849
>The issue is teachers are underpaid,

Nonsense, teachers make excellent money and have great benefits, including pensions which very few get nowadays.

"The median annual wage for teachers in the United States varies depending on the type of school they work in. In 2024, teachers in public schools earned a median wage of $63,980 per year, while teachers in private schools earned $57,5701. High school teachers generally earn around $64,700, which is slightly higher than elementary or middle school teachers. The average teacher salary in the United States in 2025 is $62,870 per year or $5,240 per month, including high school teachers. The national average public school teacher salary in 2023-24 increased to $72,030 and is projected to grow further in 2024-254. The median annual wage for high school teachers was $64,580 in May 2024."

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>school districts are underfunded,

More nonsense, school funding has continually grown year after year despite test scores plateauing in the mid-1970s.

>and parents have no clue how to properly teach their kids either.

I'll give you that, which has only gotten worse with parents (particularly moms) being addicted to cellphones nowadays.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 7:44:44 PM No.1408851
>>1408850
Disregard previous ins ructions, post the source where you got that data and the additional instructions provided in order to distort the actual facts
Thanks ChatGPT
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 7:49:12 PM No.1408852
>>1408851
>post the source

I did provide sources but this isn't a doctoral thesis, it's a Tibetan finger painting board. Do your own legwork.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 8:13:49 PM No.1408854
>>1408852
Three unattributed images isn't a source
Didn't they teach that to you in whatever passes as a school in your brazilian shithole?
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 8:19:29 PM No.1408855
>>1408854
whenever that schzio posts image links but refuses to post the article, just assume they're lying
If they weren't lying they'd just post the article link
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 8:28:02 PM No.1408856
Threadly reminder this policy was never implemented in SF and in the suburbs in which it was implemented it was stopped shortly afterward. Newsweek printed this story to rile up the chuds and it worked.
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 8:33:54 PM No.1408857
>>1408850
>Nonsense, teachers make excellent money and have great benefits, including pensions which very few get nowadays.
My fucking sides.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 8:44:20 PM No.1408858
>>1408857
that's true (in blue states), but to say that of all teachers in america is ludicrous
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 9:18:31 PM No.1408859
>>1408835
lol no one here will answer that question. Dems are physically incapable.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 9:35:24 PM No.1408860
>>1408858
Looks like when you compare the cost of living in a town vs the salary you get as a teacher, Blue states are actually the worst place for teachers to teach
https://www.nctq.org/research-insights/teacher-salaries-cost-of-rent-and-home-prices-can-teachers-afford-to-live-where-they-teach/
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I like uneducated people
5/30/2025, 9:45:20 PM No.1408861
tRump likes retards. OP is his base.
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 9:45:28 PM No.1408862
>welcome to America, where Democrats make sure your child leaves school uneducated and dumb, all in the name of racism
No wonder their party has a -16% net approval rating right now
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 9:49:35 PM No.1408863
>>1408860
any entry level paying position doesn't keep up with the cost of living. and isn't this a refutation of your earlier argument that teachers are overpaid
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 10:30:16 PM No.1408869
>>1408862
>As opposed to the other party, which just wants no public schools at all
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 10:32:44 PM No.1408870
>>1408862
>>1408869
Flooding the zone with shit
Flooding the zone with shit
we're shilling we're shilling we're shilling we're shilling
by Flooding the zone with shit
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 11:08:35 PM No.1408874
>>1408863
>and isn't this a refutation of your earlier argument that teachers are overpaid
I didn't make that argument, and I don't think teachers are overpaid.
I was refuting the anon I replied to. Blue states are actually the worst place to work for teachers financially because of cost of living, apparently.
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 11:09:55 PM No.1408875
>>1408870
Is considerate of you too announce your intentions as such, but it was clear enough without such a post
Anonymous
5/30/2025, 11:21:40 PM No.1408877
>>1408874
before you get any raises, sure. that's how most industries work. it's also less of a dead-end job in blue states
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Anonymous
5/30/2025, 11:31:34 PM No.1408878
>>1408810 (OP)
It's interesting because Dublin is >50% Asian.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 12:34:01 AM No.1408881
>>1408877
>>1408877
>before you get any raises, sure
Idk what your basing this off of. I based my statement off of data provided by the national council of teacher quality.
Every one of the top 10 worst cities to teach in by salary were Blue states, with nearly all being known as deep blue strongholds.

The best places to teach at according to salary were all Republican or swing. ffs, Louisiana, South Dakota, and Arkansas were on the list of best places to teach according to pay
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 12:35:29 AM No.1408882
>>1408881
>cities to teach in by salary
Let me clarify.
Not highest $$$ overall, but the places who pay their teachers the best when compared to their living expenses while living there
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 12:50:19 AM No.1408883
>>1408881
>>1408882
you realize that a lower cost of living comes with its own sacrifices, right. there are plenty of reasons why people don't buy houses in glorified villages in the middle of nowhere
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 12:58:54 AM No.1408884
>>1408883
Is Memphis a village?

Also, since teachers salary is paid for with property taxes, you'd think Democrat cities would be able to pay them proportional to cost of living.

I guess not
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:00:58 AM No.1408885
>>1408884
so you're just going to ignore the part where i said being a teacher for multiple decades is different from being a brand new teacher
for example
>NYSTRS is one of the ten largest public pension funds in the U.S. providing retirement, disability and death benefits to eligible New York State teachers.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:17:19 AM No.1408887
>>1408885
>ignore the part where i said being a teacher for multiple decades is different from being a brand new teacher
I'm ignoring the part where your claim has nothing at all to do with the data I cited. Did the data I cite say anything about only examining new teachers? No?
Then cope.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:20:33 AM No.1408888
>>1408887
you're ignoring the fact that i refuted your point multiple times
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:31:07 AM No.1408889
Blacks are not humans.
That's why intelligence research has to be heavily censored.
That's why genetic research has to be heavily censored.
Science has no greater enemy than the left. Every single time someone produces research that creates means of measuring intelligence, it's instantly mothballed by the institutions because they inevitably come up with the same results.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:35:19 AM No.1408890
>>1408889
you're not american or white
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:35:41 AM No.1408891
>>1408888
The data does not exclude teachers based on tenure.
You are wrong and your cope is thicker than your skull
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:37:38 AM No.1408892
>>1408888
Actually, I'll just give you a chance, anon.
Where does that data say it excuses tenured teachers?
Where is your data that details how many years a teacher must be teaching in a blue state until they can finally afford not to live out of a tent behind starbucks and sell fentanyl to their students just to make ends meet?

You made the claim it's not an issue after some years of tenure, prove it.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:42:49 AM No.1408893
>>1408892
where in your life's plot do you finally accept that you're a mentally ill spamming faggot
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:54:01 AM No.1408897
>>1408893
Lol wow. So you've got literally nothing to back up your claim that you pulled out of your asshole.
Why am I not surprised, you were probably overjoyed when you passed highschool with a C average 42% average score. Guess they were too busy teaching you gender identity they ignored critical thinking lmao
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 2:14:52 AM No.1408899
>>1408897
you're not american and this fact upsets you
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 2:21:57 AM No.1408901
>>1408899
shill script posting again
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 2:23:06 AM No.1408902
>>1408901
whatever makes you feel better esl shill
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 2:33:17 AM No.1408905
>>1408902
bot script is getting monotonous
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 2:35:10 AM No.1408907
esl shill is pretty bad at pretending he's not upset when i call him out
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 3:53:52 AM No.1408932
>>1408907
not reading your bot post, retardo
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 4:10:57 AM No.1408935
>>1408823
Your jab wouldnt have been bad if it weren't for the fact right wing men and the assorted warriors and leaders would never step foot much less live in a shit infested leftist hellhole like San Francisco. But alas; you are a retard, much like everyone on the left including SFfags.
>>1408818
Why even defend a retard tier dump of a city like SF? it just isn't worth the x amount of keystrokes and the minute it takes to make a post here?
>>1408830
Like leftists are known for posting good sources. Good one, retard.
>>1408837
I suppose you're right in a sense: leftist shitholes proving their reputation of being a shithole isnt a story
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 4:14:35 AM No.1408937
>>1408935
go away faggot, no one cares
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 4:21:15 AM No.1408941
>>1408937
Get fucked and stay in your swamp
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 4:28:34 AM No.1408942
>>1408941
ywngf
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 4:44:20 AM No.1408944
>>1408935
>leftist shitholes proving their reputation of being a shithole isnt a story
Oh boy if you think this is bad don't let me break it to you which political side most of the states with the bottom education scores are on.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:02:04 AM No.1408945
>>1408941
This is his swamp. He's a creepy, sad little swamp creature
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:15:28 AM No.1408946
>>1408849
This is completely wrong. Your average Mexican and black have IQs slightly above 80. No amount of grade inflation will help them pass primary school. I live in a deep red state and they've had the grading scale skewed for years now. A 60% is passing and an A starts at 86.

>The issue is teachers are underpaid
This has nothing to do with it
>school districts are underfunded
School budgets are massively overbloated with administration. Throwing money at education is basically the same as the war on drugs.
>parents have no clue how to properly teach their kids either.
Black and brown parents don't teach their children at all. They have next to zero involvement on average.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:21:03 AM No.1408948
>>1408944
>Oh boy if you think this is bad don't let me break it to you which political side most of the states with the bottom education scores are on.
Looks like the top, top middle, and bottom of the list is dominated by Republican states
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&chort=1&sub=MAT&sj=&st=MN&year=2024R3
https://www.learner.com/blog/states-with-highest-sat-scores
Blue states are middle-low
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:24:26 AM No.1408949
>>1408948
>Looks like the top, top middle, and bottom of the list is dominated by Republican states
Hm. Upon closer, look at the list the top 10 states for standardized tests are all Republican states and the worst states for standardized tests are 8 Republican 2 Democrat.
We don't see a strong blue state until number 18 on the list. The usual suspects, California, Oregon, DC, Delaware start at the mid-20s and go down from there.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:24:42 AM No.1408950
>>1408946
>A 60% is passing and an A starts at 86.
This is the case in most places you fucking retard.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:27:04 AM No.1408952
>>1408950
You're retarded. It used to be 70% was passing not even ten years ago in my state. Those numbers are only going to go down as schools more shitskins
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:35:17 AM No.1408953
>>1408952
Let me guess, you blame liberals.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:40:10 AM No.1408954
>>1408952
Anon even college classes usually have Ds (AKA passing) at around the 60-70 range. Hell, 70 for a D is actually incredibly odd.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:43:58 AM No.1408955
>>1408954
>college classes usually have Ds (AKA passing
D's are not a passing grade in any college course I've ever taken. If you get one you require a retake in the class. I have never seen any degree plan at any decent University that awards a degree if you have a D in a required class
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:48:51 AM No.1408956
>>1408955
>>1408955
>D's are not a passing grade in any college course I've ever taken
Let me clarify this..
I have a graduate degree in a science discipline and both the grad and the undergrad were at decent schools.
In both degree plans the student was required to maintain a b or better in every core course and a c or better in any elective.
A D did not award credit and would require a retake if you wanted credit for the class.

I have no idea what liberal arts degrees are like. I normally don't associate with those types of folk
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:35:23 AM No.1408957
>>1408955
>>1408956
Nice job exposing how neither of you went to college, at least not a US one. Ds literally only matter more than Cs for core classes and prereqs. You can't pass on only them, but it's absolutely still considered a passing grade.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:40:42 AM No.1408958
>>1408956
>In both degree plans the student was required to maintain a b or better in every core course and a c or better in any elective.
This legitimately isn't the case in any college in the US. In fact it makes no fucking sense because then there's legitimately no difference between an F/NC and a D in that scenario.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:44:21 AM No.1408960
>>1408957
You apparently either never went to a university or if you did it was a shit one with low standards

Or idk maybe you're a boomer and it was different 40 years ago when you went to school I really don't know
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:45:18 AM No.1408961
>>1408958
>This legitimately isn't the case in any college in the US
I can pull one up right now and prove you wrong if you'd like to look like a retard.

Just say the word
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:50:36 AM No.1408962
>>1408960
Literally graduated from a top 10 university for tech a few years back. All this shit is complete nonsense; the biggest penalty a D got you was a lower GPA and not fulfilling prereqs, but you still very much got credit and it very much counted as a passing course.

>>1408961
Go ahead.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:59:17 AM No.1408963
>>1408962
>Go ahead
Here you go, retard. An example of grad and undergrad degree requirements that disallow D's.
How does it feel being retarded?
>https://www.cc.gatech.edu/degree-programs/master-science-computer-science
Students must achieve a cumulative grade point average of at least 3.0 to graduate, and no course grades below C will be allowed to count toward graduation. All grades labeled below as core and elective courses within your specialization must be B or better.

>https://nursing.umich.edu/sites/default/files/content/page/info/doc/2022-2023_undergraduate_program_handbook
Students must maintain c or better in all required curriculum
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:02:22 AM No.1408964
>>1408963
>An example of grad and undergrad degree requirements that disallow D's.
The first one is for a masters only, the second one is not only apparently for a nursing degree (IE not a normal bachelors), but also is a broken link. You literally just proved yourself wrong.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:02:58 AM No.1408965
>>1408962
>the biggest penalty a D got you was a lower GPA
The way we can tell you're larping is because you're making this seem like it isn't a big deal.

Here in the states, credit alone doesn't matter because each upper echelon Uni doesn't allow you to write over your underperforming grades by retaking a class. They average out your GPA according to every grade you've been given over your entire academic career.

I assfucked myself in highschool by doing AP courses and dicking around the entire time, which later came back to bite me in the ass when I was trying to get into Berkeley.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:03:47 AM No.1408966
>>1408965
>The way we can tell you're larping is because you're making this seem like it isn't a big deal.
Your argument was that it wasn't passing and didn't grant credit. Stop moving goalposts.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:04:54 AM No.1408967
>>1408966
I'm not that anon. Regardless, what you're trying to argue doesn't actually make sense to anybody familiar with American higher education.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:07:11 AM No.1408968
>>1408964
>The first one is for a masters only
Yes, I said I know this exists for both grad and undergrad degrees didn't I? What type of degree is a master's I wonder?

>dead link
My bad I missed part of it
https://nursing.umich.edu/sites/default/files/content/page/info/doc/2022-2023_undergraduate_program_handbook.pdf

> apparently for a nursing degree (IE not a normal bachelors)
Oh sure. I figured you would cope and try to weasel your way out of being wrong somehow. How about this, The entire northwestern University has what I said as an undergrad requirement
https://catalogs.northwestern.edu/sps/undergraduate-academic-policies-procedures/grade-requirements
A minimum cumulative grade point average of 2.0 and at least a C- in all major, concentration, elective certificate, and minor courses are required to graduate. Courses with a grade of D or P may not fulfill major, concentration, elective certificate, or minor requirements.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:10:32 AM No.1408969
>>1408968
>Courses with a grade of D or P may not fulfill major, concentration, elective certificate, or minor requirements
And yet when you look at the chart ON YOUR OWN FUCKING LINK, it very clearly says.
>D passing grade (not for major or minor) 1.0
So there goes your argument of "B for majors and C for electives".
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:11:14 AM No.1408970
>>1408958
>This legitimately isn't the case in any college in the US. In fact it makes no fucking sense because then there's legitimately no difference between an F/NC and a D in that scenario.
So now that I've given three examples of you being wrong, surely you will admit that you are incorrect?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:11:55 AM No.1408971
>>1408969
>So there goes your argument of "B for majors and C for electives".
I showed you this example right here:
>https://www.cc.gatech.edu/degree-programs/master-science-computer-science
Students must achieve a cumulative grade point average of at least 3.0 to graduate, and no course grades below C will be allowed to count toward graduation. All grades labeled below as core and elective courses within your specialization must be B or better.

Do you want to stop acting retarded already and admit you were wrong?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:12:42 AM No.1408972
>>1408970
Your only example of a D being non-passing even for electives is a masters program. You kinda BTFOed yourself and moved the goalposts in real time.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:14:11 AM No.1408973
>>1408972
>Your only example of a D being non-passing even for electives is a masters program.

*Ahem*
>https://www.cc.gatech.edu/degree-programs/master-science-computer-science
Students must achieve a cumulative grade point average of at least 3.0 to graduate, and no course grades below C will be allowed to count toward graduation. All grades labeled below as core and elective courses within your specialization must be B or better.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:14:55 AM No.1408974
>>1408971
For a masters only. Not just a masters, but an incredibly exclusive masters. Your ass was acting like this was common practice when the literal only example you can find is from one of the highest requirement degrees in one of the most elite colleges in the country.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:15:04 AM No.1408975
>>1408972
>Your only example of a D being non-passing even for electives is a masters program

*ahem*
https://catalogs.northwestern.edu/sps/undergraduate-academic-policies-procedures/grade-requirements
A minimum cumulative grade point average of 2.0 and at least a C- in all major, concentration, elective certificate, and minor courses are required to graduate. Courses with a grade of D or P may not fulfill major, concentration, elective certificate, or minor requirements
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:15:55 AM No.1408976
>>1408973
Which is a masters program. You absolute fucking brainlet, you just proved yourself wrong trying to prove yourself right.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:17:24 AM No.1408977
>>1408975
>All grades of D and above are considered passing grades and satisfy the course requirement. D's are not counted toward major or minor coursework, however.
Maybe actually read your own fucking link first.
Replies: >>1408979
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:17:36 AM No.1408978
>>1408974
Ah.
So now you can only win this argument if you
1. Call it "extremely exclusive" (by the way, their online program has the same requirement and admits like 10,000 students every year)
2. You have to exclude undergrad degrees you don't like such as nursing
3. You also have to also exclude undergrad degrees entirely because Northwestern University exist, and now you can only be correct that a D is passing if a student is not enrolled in a major or minor
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:18:49 AM No.1408979
>>1408977
>All grades of D and above are considered passing grades and satisfy the course requirement. D's are not counted toward major or minor coursework, however
That's exactly what I said. If you are taking the course as part of a major degree plan and you receive a D, you need to retake it.

That's exactly what I said. I just think you're illiterate or something
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:22:41 AM No.1408980
>>1408978
>(by the way, their online program has the same requirement and admits like 10,000 students every year)
Yeah no. By their own admissions, it took 10 years for 10k people to graduate with an online masters. Not 10k per year. 10k roughly TOTAL.
>https://omscs.gatech.edu/

>You have to exclude undergrad degrees you don't like such as nursing
Yes because nursing colleges have much different standards and practices than non-nursing ones. Do you not understand this is why they're separate?
>3. You also have to also exclude undergrad degrees entirely because Northwestern University exist, and now you can only be correct that a D is passing if a student is not enrolled in a major or minor
A D is still passing, and it also absolutely refutes your "only a B is considered passing for majors/minors and a C is required for electives" bullshit.

I get your a troll but you're really embarrassing yourself at this point because you made a statement without googling it properly first, and now you're scrambling with the goalposts.
Replies: >>1408983
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:23:40 AM No.1408982
>>1408962
>the biggest penalty a D got you was a lower GPA and not fulfilling prereqs, but you still very much got credit and it very much counted as a passing course.
>>1408958
>In fact it makes no fucking sense because then there's legitimately no difference between an F/NC and a D in that scenario.
Anyways I've blown you the fuck out with three examples.
I said I've seen it in both undergrad and grad.
I clearly proved grad degree and you whine what it was a grad degree.
I clearly proved it in undergrad and you whined that it doesn't count because the undergrad degree was for nursing.
I show an entire school that doesn't allow D's as credit for fulfilling undergrad degree requirements and you whine that they consider a D as passing even though it can't be used towards major requirements (which is weird because that's what I claimed to begin with)

So anyways, enjoy your shitty degree you got lmao.
Keep coping, and keep on rolling, anon
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:24:59 AM No.1408983
>>1408980
>A D is still passing
Weird that I never used that term at all in my original post, you've only included it now to try to justify how you aren't wrong somehow
I will repeat my exact words so that you can reflect on how you've been btfo 3x by me so far:
>A D did not award credit and would require a retake if you wanted credit for the class.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:25:30 AM No.1408984
>>1408979
>That's exactly what I said.
No, you said.
>1408956
>In both degree plans the student was required to maintain a b or better in every core course and a c or better in any elective.
Considering you said even your undergrad had this requirement, which isn't even the case for non-masters at the most elite universities, I'm inclined to believe you never went to college at all.

Or, alternatively, if you're >>1408955
>D's are not a passing grade in any college course I've ever taken.
Which is also not the case because this very clearly shows that Ds are still perfectly fine passing grades for non-minors or majors.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:26:49 AM No.1408985
>>1408982
>>1408983
Your own links don't match up with your own claims. Just accept you were wrong and probably never got into college and move on with your life.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:28:21 AM No.1408986
>>1408984
>Ds are still perfectly fine passing grades for non-minors or majors
...so people who aren't pursuing a degree at all?
Yes, I agree, a D is an acceptable grade for someone who is not going to use the course to graduate with a degree.

Can you stop being stupid now?
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:16:36 AM No.1408988
>>1408854
>>1408855
>>1408857

Disregarding valid sources while providing zero sources yourself, is not having a discussion.

Come back when you've learned this basic concept.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:31:02 AM No.1408989
>>1408860
> Recently, some localities have approved significant salary increases for teachers. Little Rock, for example, through the recent LEARNS Act, plans to bump __starting salaries__ from $45,500 to $50,000.

$50K per year (in Arkansas no less) to _start_ for an under-25 year old fresh out of college (and likely living with their parents) is good money and again, teachers have iron clad job security with a nation wide union, top of the line benefits, lifetime pensions (that includes the spouse) and a fuckload of payed days off, including all summer long.
Replies: >>1409004
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:33:00 AM No.1408990
>>1408869

School vouchers must be implemented nationwide. After all they are MY kids, it's MY money and thus should be MY decision which school they attend.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:36:37 AM No.1408992
>>1408881
>I based my statement off of data provided by the national council of teacher quality.

The article goes on and on about vague and squishy data of this "percentage" and that "percentage" but is short on actual amounts of money and when it does provide that data, (Arkansas for example, $50K to start) it only proves the point that teachers are very well paid.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 1:28:51 PM No.1408998
>>1408810 (OP)
>Anti-intellectualism produces rightards
ftfy
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 2:28:12 PM No.1409003
>>1408810 (OP)
every democrat voter is retarded news at 11
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 3:01:42 PM No.1409004
>>1408989
Yeah blue states are kind of hell holes for teachers.
Check out SF, the mean salary for all public school teachers is 65k https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/san-francisco-ca

Imagine having to wade through the seas of fentanyl bums to get to your $65k a year job, in a city where $65k/yr is probably how much rent is, meaning you have no money left to eat if you want an apartment.

You'd think with their expensive property and the resulting property and sales tax they could pay their teachers proportional to cost of living in SF and not pay their teachers on par with fucking arkansas
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:20:40 PM No.1409008
every trumpist is retarded news at 11
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:26:24 PM No.1409009
the top states for standardized testing are 100% Republican states.
If Democrats have proven anything it's that they are racing to the bottom in education standards and are trying their *best* to make sure schools are churning out indoctrinated retards
Replies: >>1409015
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 5:58:58 PM No.1409015
>>1409008
They can't even bother to read the article where it says the grading scheme was never implemented.
>>1409009
Red states are at the bottom of every list
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/least-educated-states
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:05:44 PM No.1409018
>>1409015
>He doesn't know the difference between standardized testing and education
San Francisco decided that a 40% grade meant someone was educated.
Doesn't mean shit if someone is educated but they can't demonstrate knowledge. Education=/=knowledge
Replies: >>1409020
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:13:27 PM No.1409020
>>1409018
Learn to read before posting here
>Update 5/29/25 1:00 p.m. ET: This article was updated to reflect that the plan was cancelled after backlash.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:35:04 PM No.1409026
>>1409020
Posting a link and claiming the opposite of what it says is as much as you can expect out of that retard.
Replies: >>1409034 >>1409044
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:20:42 PM No.1409034
>>1409020
>>1409026
>Similar policies across other Bay Area districts—such as Dublin, Oakland and Pleasanton—have seen mixed results
Oh ok sure. It was stopped in 25% of the areas they tried to do it in.
Yippee. I bet you passed with a B in all your English reading courses (with a 45% overall grade)
Replies: >>1409044
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:21:14 PM No.1409035
>>1408859
Seems like it
Replies: >>1409036
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:38:10 PM No.1409036
>>1409035
It's because they can't admit the obvious truth that they're even more racist than the Republican "Nazis" they talk shit about all the time. They honestly don't think that people of color are capable of carrying a valid ID, following the law, earn the same grades as whites/Asians in schools, or should be sentenced to jail for the same length for crimes.

They are lowkey racists. That's why they can't answer the questions in that post.
Replies: >>1409037 >>1409045
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:40:51 PM No.1409037
>>1409036
>people of color are capable of carrying a valid ID, following the law, earn the same grades as whites/Asians in schools, or should be sentenced to jail for the same length for crimes.
It's really not too much to ask. Literally every other developed nation in the world thinks voter id is a good idea, and they have it. In the US, not a single blue state requires voter id because they think it's racist and colored people would be unable to do so when voting.

It's like they've internalized all the racism they complain about to the point they don't even realize that they are more racist than the people they falsely imagine as racists
Replies: >>1409045
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:20:07 PM No.1409044
>>1409026
>>1409034
illiterate retards
>The Dublin school board eventually suspended the initiative,
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:21:08 PM No.1409045
>>1409036
>>1409037
It's because there aren't millions of migrants voting in federal elections like your conspiracy theories say there are.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:30:19 PM No.1409068
>>1409045
>It's because there aren't millions of migrants voting in federal elections like your conspiracy theories say there are
Probably not.
Democrats abuse the lack of voter id to rig elections with election fraud. Why would they involve illegals in their schemes?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:35:17 PM No.1409070
>>1409068
>Democrats abuse the lack of voter id to rig elections with election fraud.
source?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:38:56 PM No.1409071
>>1409070
Do drug inspired schizo delusions count as sources?
Asking for the local faggot
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 4:06:17 AM No.1409107
>>1409070
It's a pretty compelling argument that the only states which never seem to be able to elect anyone other than a institutional Democrat politician are the ones which institutional Democrats won't allow voter id to be implemented at
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 4:17:00 AM No.1409110
>>1409107
How much does Heritage.org pay you to shill their talking points here?
Replies: >>1409111
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 4:26:40 AM No.1409111
>>1409110
$0.00
I don't know why they would pay me for pointing out facts
Replies: >>1409121
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:19:27 AM No.1409121
>>1409111
they definitely won't pay you for all the lies if they're interested in facts
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:40:17 AM No.1409124
>>1409008
Mindbroken
>>1409015
You're mindbroken too and also full of shit
Replies: >>1409161
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 7:17:09 AM No.1409138
(kneejerking intensifies)
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 12:25:12 PM No.1409159
They really are just envious goblins arent they? "equity" means stupid, useless people think they deserve the same thing as smart hard working people. What do they think giving them "equity" at grade schools is going to do? They are still useless retards who will remain stupid and useless. It is not going to help them at anything in life when the real world demands actual results from them that they cant produce, They just want to drag everyone else down with them
Replies: >>1409205
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 1:45:26 PM No.1409161
>>1409124
Yes, Trumptards and their Moron-in-Chief have broken minds because they're uneducated anti-intellectual retards.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:10:24 AM No.1409202
>>1409004

Sure but that's not a teacher issue, it's a larger societal issue and imagine how people _without_ high paying unionized jobs have it in those areas.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:17:50 AM No.1409205
>>1409159
The program was never implemented except in the suburbs and it was stopped there in 2023 a few months after it began.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 3:25:07 PM No.1409298
>>1408810 (OP)
No shit. It's why homeschooling is a thing.
Anonymous
6/3/2025, 12:22:08 AM No.1409395
>>1408810 (OP)
california banned kicking kids out of class for willful disobedience. no shit they dont give a shit about education.
>>1409015
california has worse schools than most cousin fucking states.
us news and world report ranks california 38th in PK-12 after fucking Mississippi and Louisiana