https://www.npr.org/2025/07/02/nx-s1-5454598/the-gops-massive-bill-would-add-trillions-of-dollars-to-the-countrys-debt
The massive tax cut and spending bill passed by the Senate this week is expected to add trillions of dollars over the next decade to an already hefty federal debt.

The precise level of additional red ink depends on the forecast. The Yale Budget Lab says it would add $3 trillion over the next 10 years, while the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates it would add $3.4 trillion. Meanwhile, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget puts the total at $4 trillion or more.

But bean counters all agree: The measure, if passed, would push the government's finances even further out of balance. The bill now heads back to the House, which had passed a somewhat different version earlier this year.

"The level of blatant disregard we just witnessed for our nation's fiscal condition and budget process is a failure of responsible governing," said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "These are the very same lawmakers who for years have bemoaned the nation's massive debt, voting to put another $4 trillion on the credit card."

Lower taxes, little boost to growth

The bill would extend tax cuts from the first Trump administration and add additional tax breaks, reducing government revenues. The measure also increases government spending on defense and immigration enforcement. While it makes cuts to spending on Medicaid and food assistance, those cuts offset only a fraction of the bill's total cost.

At the same time, the measure is expected to do little to boost economic growth. CBO has not yet estimated the economic effects of the Senate bill. But an earlier House version was found to provide only modest economic gains, which were dwarfed by the cost of higher interest payments.

Most of the savings from the House bill's tax cuts were expected to flow to the richest taxpayers, while people at the bottom of the income ladder would be worse off, since any tax savings would be outweighed by lost government benefits.

On average, people earning less than about $55,000 a year would be net losers from the House bill, according to the CBO forecast. Middle-income taxpayers would save between $500 and $1,000 a year, while the top 10% would see gains of about $12,000.

>>1417848
>while people at the bottom of the income ladder would be worse off, since any tax savings would be outweighed by lost government benefits.
I disagree, they will be required to work, getting them off welfare and making them become productive members of society.

The rest of the bill is shit tho

>>1417851
>Guys they were just not working for fun!
Hurray for exploiting the disabled and elderly!

>>1417847 (OP)
This will make the economy great again. People will get what they deserve.

>>1417853
Well, it doesn't require disabled or elderly to work, but go ahead and keep spreading misinformation, you tenacious little disinfo bot

>>1417855
Who do you think are on welfare anon? Oh wait the mythical lazy people that only exist in your head.

>>1417851
I think tying medical care to employment is one of the big issues in our society. It gives employers too much coercive power over employees. I'm not just talking about Medicaid, I'm talking over all.

>>1417862
It's based. If you don't work, don't contribute to the economy and are just a useless eater, you and anyone who depends on you don't get the right to survive. That is the law of the land. That is why anything works, and you can post your braindead vomit on here. That is the blood that greases the wheels of our country.

>>1417862
Giving free healthcare to everyone allows the dysgenic to reproduce and take over society. If you can't work and pay, no healthcare for you

>>1417864
Pretty much. I've always been for just throwing out medicair and medicaid and letting the market figure it out. It's more fair, it'd lead to better healthcare, and it would insure the useless eater are punished.

>>1417858
Oh well, if those are the only people on welfare then the work requirements affect nobody at all, and I am mistaken, you are not just a misinformation bot, you are also an irrational kneejerker getting angry over something that doesn't affect anyone, as the work requirements exclude the able bodied and the elderly.

Cheers!

>>1417864
>>1417865
stop talking to yourself esl shill

>>1417851
That was already required. Get new propaganda.

>>1417847 (OP)
Shout out to that one town in Nebraska that lost their only hospital to this already. They were running on fumes prior and just hearing the medicaid cuts was enough to make them announce they're closing. Town has 900 people, almost half of them voted for Trump, and now if any of them has a medical emergency they better hope they have a doctor in the family.

>>1417870
Oklahoma is also at risk of losing quite a few as well, especially considering the survival of some rural hospitals hinged on a Medicaid expansion barely passed by voters years ago.

>>1417870
The reason that they were on fumes is because of decades of liberal mismanagement. It was going to happen anyway, better that Papa Trump rips the bandaid off now. These cuts are necessary to save the economy and finally starve the beast.

>>1417872
>liberal mismanagement
>Nebraska
uh Anon, I...

>>1417872
>The reason that they were on fumes is because of decades of liberal mismanagement
In a town with quite literally 52 Dem voters in fucking Nebraska?

>These cuts are necessary to save the economy and finally starve the beast.
If the beast is people in small towns who need healthcare, yeah you sure will

>>1417870
>>1417871
If there’s one consolation to all of this it’s that it’s going to ravage MAGA America. Of course, that’s just because it’s going ravage everyone else too, so it’s not a very good consolation

>>1417876
The private market and charity will step in to fill the gap. They aren't just going to let people die. It'd be bad for the economy.

>>1417879
Yeah it's a 900 person town in Nebraska. If anything they'll let them die for land development.

>>1417879
So when that doesn't happen and people start dying, what will your excuse be then?
>they deserved it

'Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history'
A quote by the last decent Republican president
>Medicaid
UK's National Health Service was implemented by the Labour PM Clement Attlee, but was praised by the PM who was in power before him. Why? That previous PM had planned it's creation during WWII.
Question: who is there a bust of in the Oval Office because Trump admires that UK PM so much: the Labour PM Clement Attlee or the Conservative who was PM before him?
Trump admires the creator of the origins of Medicaid, Winston Churchill, thus a bust of him is in the Oval Office. You voted for the one who ordered that bust be placed there, so what does that say about MAGAts who admire a hypocrite? Very soon there'll be so many MAGAts that'll be saying 'I didn't vote for this' when they can't afford hospital treatment. But hey, less Republican voters for that which got its 2nd term, thus those useful idiots that voted late last year that have served their purpose for their orange cult leader that really never cared about them, only himself

>>1417886
They're governing right now like there won't be elections. Makes sense as a lot of the ones in control are Yarvin fanboys. You can also look at all the funding that ICE is getting and the fact they don't really need due process anymore to deport.

>>1417879
Of course they will. The old, the sick, the infirm? Drains on the state. “Useless eaters,” was it?
And “bad for the economy?” You’re posting in a thread about how this is going to add trillions to the debt. They either don’t give a shit about the economy or are too stupid to run it well.

>>1417887
I see it more as slash and burn tactics that vulture capitalists do. Cut costs, fire everyone, ride the inertia to huge profits, and then bail in 2 years once all the bad decisions start catching up. The increase in law enforcement is because they want to keep things under control while they loot and then flee to New Zealand or the Cayman Islands. This isn't meant for long term governing. If they were serious, it'd be bread and circuses to get the population on board (so more social safety nets, not less). Once they've established a firm base of fanaticism and a population who is hungry for authoritarianism, then they'd start the "necessary" pain and economic restructuring.

>>1417870
I think they put the hospital funding back in I'm not sure though

>>1417870
Well, we did sign up for this and why we voted for Trump.

>>1417898
millions must die for the orangesicle leader, jesus wants it to happen

>>1417889
Yeah, I’m seeing that too. Can’t decide if it’s better or worse than just outright fascism.

>>1417906
>>1417889
It's either that, or they're massively incompetent and don't know what they want.

>>1417907
I mean, it could be both, either on an individual level or throughout the regime. Stephen Miller definitely wants an actual fascist hellscape, for example.

>>1417899
All we ever wanted was to be left alone. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. We never set out to topple the democrat's kingdom of lies created from a sense of misplaced pride. We never wanted to deport millions of people, sending them to places unknown as part of a bitter crusade against demographic replacement. We never desired any of this, though we know the reasons for which it must be done. But all we ever wanted was to be left alone.

From the fires of Betrayal unto the blood of revenge we bring the name of Trump, the Bearer of the Word, the favored Son of America, all praise be given to him. For those that refused to take heed, we thank them for the Justification for Deportation, to make America great once again.

>>1417870
>already
Medicaid cuts officially begin on 1/1/27. These fags were already ready to close.

>>1417920
They had difficulties before, but the cuts looming was what convinced them to cut their losses because there was literally no hope of reprieve.

>>1417917
>We never wanted to deport millions of people
Yes you did retard. This has been a primary campaign promise since day 1 of Trump joining the race.

>>1417917
we been saying this for 200 years since the war of northern aggression. just leave us alone. they did not and now they see the bulls horns and shall reap the whirlwind.

>>1417923
Good lord, anon, don’t talk to him.

>>1417923
That's a bald-faced lie. This has been a primary campaign promise since day 1 of Trump joining the 2016 race.

>>1417923
It's their way of absolving themselves of guilt. You see commies and fascists do it all the time.

>"You left me no choice" says the Red Guard youth as he bayonets grandma for being too old.

>>1417924
>war of northern aggression
Good to see this 150 year old cope hasn't died yet

>>1417925
Do you hear it, anon? Close your eyes and listen to it if you can.

Mass deportations are the syncopated back-beat to the song. The rhythm beneath the rhyme. That much pain, that much suffering, that much misery. Suffering has always fueled America in random stains and stigmata. Now we have learned the virtue of control.

The future of America is being altered by mortal hands, anon. Listen to it. We're reordering America itself, changing it. We're rewriting the song. Do you hear it, anon? Do you hear the song shifting in time?

>>1417866
Have you ever tried to apply for disability? A lot of people die waiting for it. Might want to relax those buckets you place people in, because you run the risk of sounding like a faggot.

Besides, the irony here is the 40 states where blacks and browns don't exist and make up the largest share of welfare holders are the ones whose representatives voted for this bill.

>>1417863
That's a retarded way of thinking. Imagine applying that at a micro level.
>Oh, you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy this technology or walk into this building because you didn't contribute anything towards it!
There are always going to be losers and non-contributers in society. That's how life works.

>>1417929
Is it cope when they've spent the time since prepping and waging a Cold Civil War that they are poised to win?

>>1417940
>that they are poised to win?
They think they're winning, when they're actually losing along with everyone else. That's why it's cope. Oligarchs don't give a shit what color your skin is, they just use that to keep you divided while they take everything from you.

>>1417924
Mixing your metaphors again, fucktard. This is the real world, you don't get to be isolationist. But holy fuck are there a lot of sycophants here.

"Useless eaters" keeps getting brought up as if society is human when we consign the infirm or elderly to death via cutting social safety nets.

Fucking hell it would be nice if you lot had some basic empathy. Would you like to be shot when you retire, too? Maybe we just leave you out in the swamp if you start speaking in tongues?

Eat a dick or the barrel of a gun.

>>1417945
>This is the real world, you don't get to be isolationist
You only say this because you're the aggressor in this situation.
Libertarians and conservatives are turning to fascism because they have begun to understand that you won't leave them alone unless forced to do so. You're upset because they've started to defend themselves.

>>1417956
Funny that people who just want to be left alone won't leave minorities or the LGBT community alone.

>>1417959
>we just wanted to be left alone
>pay for my healthcare and my housing or I'm going to harass your employer until he fires you

>>1417961
lol what

>guys I shouldn't have to pay taxes. After all that could go to people who aren't me, even though by that logic I shouldn't get anything at all because one person's taxes aren't enough to sustain all the systems they use

>>1417965
Did you miss the last 10+ years where democrats were ruining people's lives for spicy social media comments

>>1417967
yeah losing your job because you said something retarded and people don't wanna associate with you isn't the dems fault. Not to mention the numerous sex pests and racists who basically got fired from one job and then promptly got a new one a few years later.

You bitch about cancel culture like it took your wife, instead of your wife leaving you (if you ever had one) for being a whiny bitch.

>>1417969
It literally is
Democrats made platforms specifically designed to track republicans based on their political donations and party affiliation. That shit included things like their full name and street address, which was used to gangstalk everyday working joes who threw a $20 at the trump campaign
It's like, yeah no shit fascism is on the rise. Your side of the aisle spent ten years trying to prevent people from having the ability to house and feed themselves. You absolutely deserve what's coming.

>>1417971
Just remember that when they're whining about getting sent to the camps, they chose this. They forced us to do this. Conservatives don't go looking for problems, but we're problem solvers, and our solutions are always final.

Right-wing victim mentality is always a sight to behold.

>>1417971
Where do you people get this shit from?

>>1417974
It's not even victim mentality, it's just abuser mentality. Not saying that they don't have legit anxieties (that get misdirected by their media), we all do, but the manipulation/projection and the "this is all your fault we're hitting you" is pure abuser shit.

>>1417971
>gangstalk everyday working joes
you know you can't just lie about this shit now?
or do the libs give off electro signals to disable cameras like the UFOs do?

>>1417979
The website you're looking for begins with "donaldtrump" and ends with ".watch".

>>1417971
>>1417982
Good post

>>1417983
go back there

>>1417991
NTA. The website no longer exists. It's only viewable via the internet archive.
It was a website dedicated to documenting the names and the addresses of every voter who donated to Trump's '16 campaign. This was before Republicans adopted neofascism and was one of many.
None of the shit that's happening now was unprompted.

>left alone
I'm afraid that concept died on 7th December 1941. The US can no longer isolate itself from the rest of planet Earth since then. Despite what happened between 10th July-31st October 1940, today UK & Germany are allies: certainly with Italy & Japan. If that's wrong, why did Trump want that deal with Starmer and was happy when it was signed? Starmer is a Labour PM. There's the cast image of another PM in the Oval Office who won against Germany in October of 1940, when UK were all alone until 7th December 1941. Is that cast image in the Oval Office of a Labour or Conservative PM?
>left alone
So why does Trump have in the Oval Office that bust of Winston Churchill?

I dunno anon. Why did britain nag us to fight russia while buying russian oil through india? Why did they threaten us citizens for exercising their speech last summer?
The bust of churchill in the wh is a symbol of a relationship dynamic that no longer exists. It's like liberals talking about how much they care about law and order while supporting sedition.
America's relationship with its allies is like a kid with his leg caught in the storm drain during flood season. The water is rising, but trump is a blunt instrument and isn't willing to cut the leg off to survive.

Strange that someone who has a bust in the White House of a past conservative leader wanted a deal with a current labour leader who gained power due to a massive majority won this day last year.
Water's rising, sure, but those trapped aren't the ones you think are
So it's okay for a blunt weapon to be used against others but only if those others aren't of the right wing? Considering what came to power after 4th July 2024, think very carefully before answering: if your answer is what I'd expect, then careful, your rightard hypocrisy's showing. If symbolic 'blunt weapons' can be used against the left, then Starmer had more than every right in the world to deny rightards of their right to have more than just opinions. If you disagree, then Trump doesn't have the right to so much as think of having wrong opinions about anyone who isn't a MAGAtard cultist, least of all use said 'blunt weapon' against those of the left

You keep alluding to hypocrisy and needling us with claims of immorality as if these things still matter.
The contemporary democratic movement in america is full-open borders, racism is unironically good, white people are evil, you can change your sex by having a doctor mutilate you, etc.
They also constantly lie everyone straight up into their face like you're doing right here and then brag about it. They identify as marxists and communist and will openly say that they define truth (from a marxist perspective) as that which advances the cause. Which is why they're so happy to shamelessly lie, their minds so wrapped into a pretzel that they think lying is telling the truth. Just like they think being morbidly obese is "healthy" (at every size!), or that men can be women or vice versa, or that concepts like "the family" are racist towards non-whites and need to be abolished while they teach 7 year olds to masturbate in school.
These (you) people are less than animals because they (you) use open dialogue as a forum for manipulation while simultaneously attempting to hold others to a higher moral standard. But they (you) have been waging war against us for as long as we can remember, hiding behind moral pretenses while they (you) take what they (you) can and give little back.
You're not smart or clever. We said shibboleth, you said sibboleth, and you separated yourself from the pack as a consequence. What you do and believe is no concern of ours, so long as you leave in peace.

>an obese orange thing still wanted a deal with a white leader who is of the center-left
>the mere existence of an orange thing in the White House proves that subjective so-called 'Truth' is proven to be lies
>if rightard 'Morality' is superior, why would any rightard who thinks their 'Morals' are superior to those of anyone not exactly like them vote for the basis of their 'Morality' - who of course would never so much as think in an 'Immoral' way - which said this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-remarks-about-10-year-old-girl-video
There are those who are smart and clever. They're called those who don't vote Republican
There were those who did, they were those who recently said 'I didn't vote for this', and are considered traitors to their orange god & Hypocrite-in-Chief by those who - despite previously electing said cult leader on the basis of 'No More Foreign Wars' - say they voted for this. Then there are those Republican voters pre-'I didn't vote for this' suffering before their Hypocrite-in-Chief became a Little Bomber Man, who will get their revenge in the midterms, thus the MAGAtards' orange god becoming lame duck a l'orange will be of no consequence to anyone, just like the Teabaggers/Teatards ceased to exist after Romney's defeat. MAGA will die. Good
Those former Trumptard Reublican voters will be forgiven of their sins.
>bigotry
>hypocrisy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY
QED.

>>1418008
You just listed so many stupid debunked conspiracy theories that I think you when the dumbfuck maga award of the day! Congrats! Don’t step on the litter boxes in schools and all the Haitians eating cats and dogs on your way out! You can sign your award with a pen filled with children’s blood after the Clintons drained it out of conservative babies!

>>1418000
It’s basically old school d&d cleric rules wrt blunt weapons.

>>1418017
they're just excited they can finally buy a mail order silencer for their airsoft gun now.
normally they'd be red flagged to shit

>>1418017
>I think you when the dumbfuck maga award of the day!
>when
esl alert. What accent makes voice to text do that? Indian?

esl shill is projecting again

>>1417923
>>1417925
ICE thrived under Biden and Obama but their administrations along with the media didn't make such a spectacle out of it

>>1417853
>>Guys they were just not working for fun!
Pretty much. Care to explain why the majority of people on food stamps are overweight?

>>1418101
>the majority of people on food stamps are overweight
If this isn't just another chud strawman, like "the majority of people on food stamps are black", then it's because the cheapest food is often among the least nutritious, full of corn syrup and carbohydrates. But it's probably just another strawman anyway.

>>1417996
>flood season. The water is rising, but trump is a blunt instrument and isn't willing to c
-are about those in Texas right now.
That aged well, anon.

>>1418105
They're gonna be really shocked when Trump gives the bare minimum federal support (if any) when they're used to, you know, actually getting it.

>>1418090
If that was true then Trump wouldn't need to hire 20000 additional ICE agents

>>1418112
It's because 1. Trump is trying to meet a quota based on how much he complained about immigrants, which seems to be unfounded info considering no matter how many rules ICE break and how much funding they get they still aren't meeting it, and/or 2. Trump is using ICE as his own private personal army branch.

>>1418114
Honestly I don't think Trump cares. He just signs whatever Stephen Miller puts in front of him and reads the teleprompter speeches Miller writes for him.

>>1418114
It’s both.

>>1418118
Hey I said and/or. The idea that Texas has been lying about how many people cross the border illegally just to get more federal funds they funnel into Abbott and friends' own pockets is my personal conspiracy theory, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt and JUST say Trump wants his own Gestapo equivalent.

>>1418103
Like your Sociology 101 "strawman" of poor people can't afford healthy food from the supermarket so they have to buy unhealthy fast food that's actually more expensive than the healthy stuff?

>>1418123
>unhealthy fast food that's actually more expensive than the healthy stuff?
What the fuck is this cope? Healthy food IS more expensive than fast food, universally.

>>1418124
>cost of one big mac meal to feed one person for one meal: $12.79
>cost of chicken and rice at Walmart - rounding up! - to feed one person for a week: $8
Fucking retard.

>>1418125
He said ‘healthy,’ anon. And for a week? Get real.

>>1418126
>a big mac is healthier than chicken/rice
It is time to stop.

>>1418127
Healthy, anon. Not healthier, healthy. Focus.

>>1418128
>a big mac is healthy
Holy shit you are retarded. No wonder so many of you are obese.

>>1418125
Ok let's unpack this entitled retardation.

1. A big mac is $8. You're factoring in a combo meal.
2. You need a working fridge and a stove for chicken and rice, which is extra expenses overall compared to a fast food meal. You don't have a way to store chicken, the price isn't going to matter because you're using maybe 1 cutlet before it goes bad.
3. A diet of just chicken and rice is NOT good for you. You need vegetables and fruits to have it be truly balanced, which is another expense. Nevermind the fact eating nothing but unseasoned chicken and rice is miserable in of itself.
4. There's a time investment to these things that also plays into it. Not to mention not everyone knows how to cook.
5. If you compare a healthier fast food meal, it is indeed more expensive.

>>1418129
You’re just completely making stuff up now.

>>1418129
NTA but eating nothing but chicken and rice all week isn't much better than a big mac. Sure you're not getting fat but you're also not getting any fruits or vegetables in your diet. Plus you'd also need something for calcium. You're trading in too many calories for too little and still not getting the nutrients needed for a healthy diet.

>>1418130
>Ok let's unpack this entitled retardation.
From the fucking faggot who thinks they're entitled to healthcare, housing, food and God knows what else paid by working taxpayers. Shut the fuck up.

1) If you want to only give them a sandwich and leave out a drink and fries then go right ahead. Still the less-healthy option than chicken and rice, still less fulfilling, and still more expensive in the long run.
2) Because we all know section 8 housing doesn't come with refrigerators or stoves. What next? Are you going to tell me they don't come with electricity either?
3) Holy Jesus 90 cents for an onion and not even $1.50 for a red pepper! What a tremendous expense!!!! How will they survive!!???!!!
4) A time investment of one hour... If they can't spend one hour over a week - hell let's say it's only good for three days just to satisfy your bullshit (that's still more meals than just one big mac sandwich). If they can't find one hour every three days then throwing money at them won't fix their many problems.
5) Here's a genius idea: stop buying fast food? Stop buying junk food in general? At no point in time should foodstamps allow anyone to purchase a bag of chips or soda, but unfortunately assholes like you are in charge of it.

What else you got for excuses retard?

>>1418131
>I'm an idiot that doesn't know how greentext work
gb2/plebbit/

>>1418132
See point 3 of my last post.

>>1418134
I can’t tell if you’re misinterpreting my words on purpose or if you’re just stupid.

>>1418135
Well then why don't you spell it out as crystal clear as you possibly can, so that way there's no confusion when I debunk you.

>>1418133
>2) Because we all know section 8 housing doesn't come with refrigerators or stoves
Fun fact; fridges aren't a section 8 requirement. A stove is, but a fridge isn't.

>3) Holy Jesus 90 cents for an onion and not even $1.50 for a red pepper! What a tremendous expense!!!! How will they survive!!???!!!
Ok, let's do a bit of math here. A pack of 6 cutlets (so ostensibly 6 meals) is about 6 dollars. A bag of rice is about 2. Average serving of a red pepper is half of it, and lets say for a chicken you'd also use half an onion. So to season that chicken, you'd need 3 of them per chicken package, so $3-$4.5. That's actually $12.50 for a weeks worth of meals that STILL is unhealthy for you because you have no diversity or vitamin C in your diet. Oh, and you also need to buy cookware.

>4) A time investment of one hour... If they can't spend one hour over a week
Hey, retard. Most of the time these people are doing 2 minimum wage jobs a week. 1 hour jus to eat is an expense in of itself. Even section 8 housing has rent and bills that need to be paid. You really seem to be under the impression people are poor out of pure laziness. You entitled fucking retard.

>>1418134
>See point 3 of my last post.
If you're referring to a red pepper or onion, that shit is NOT substituting the role fruits and vegetables play in your diet. Are you genuinely retarded to think a little bit of red pepper seasoning is going to help your vitamin c?

>>1418136
Because you’re being a douche and I’m not interested in holding your hand through basic English.

>>1418133
>? At no point in time should foodstamps allow anyone to purchase a bag of chips or soda, but unfortunately assholes like you are in charge of it.
>The poor will enjoy NOTHING. If I DARE catch these fuckers eating anything with a semblance of flavor I think they should be shot

>>1418137
>Fun fact; fridges aren't a section 8 requirement. A stove is, but a fridge isn't.
https://nchh.org/resource-library/HUD%20Housing%20Quality%20Standards_1.pdf
>The dwelling unit must have an oven, and a stove or range, and a refrigerator of appropriate size for the family.
Why do you have to lie?

>That's actually $12.50 for a weeks worth of meals
That's still more food than a fucking Big Mac, and healthier to boot.

>Hey, retard. Most of the time these people are doing 2 minimum wage jobs a week.
And are on food stamps? lmao! Two full time jobs and still somehow under the limit to qualify? Please tell me what these jobs are.

>You entitled fucking retard.
So mad because debunking you is this easy.

>>1418138
And a big mac provides a better diet? Tell you what, why don't you provide an example of these expensive, fast-food meals that poor people are forced to eat because they can't afford to buy healthy ingredients from a store. We'll go through each and every nutrition value.

>>1418139
Translation: I can't back my arguments up and I suck cocks. kthnxbai

>>1418140
>I'm not only entitled to free food without working, I'm entitled to free tasty junk food with shit nutritional value that's more expensive than healthy options
And I'm being called entitled?

>>1418142
Who said they weren't working? Oh that's right, you've been indoctrinated with GOP talking points.

>>1418143
I'm still waiting for you to explain how these people are working "2 minimum wage jobs a week" but still qualify for foodstamps.

Well?

>>1418141
You can take it however you want. It's what you've been doing already anyway.

>>1418141
>>The dwelling unit must have an oven, and a stove or range, and a refrigerator of appropriate size for the family.
Hey, retard. Keep going.
>The equipment may be supplied by either the owner or the family.
Also, good luck getting one that isn't going to be shit tier. Same goes for the stove.

>That's still more food than a fucking Big Mac, and healthier to boot.
Except again; time investment, not to mention the fact you're still short on a ton of nutrients with that diet.

>And are on food stamps? lmao! Two full time jobs and still somehow under the limit to qualify? Please tell me what these jobs are.
If it was a "full time" job you wouldn't have 2 you fucking idiot. Federal minimum wage is $7.50. Assuming you work about 40 hours a week spread across them, that would net you about $2320 a month. Factor in rent and expenses, depends on where you are if you're a solo household if you manage to qualify for food stamps. But you have kids or someone who can't work to support? Then you're definitely still qualifying.

You're still an entitled retard who genuinely believes people on food stamps are just lazy and need to pull themselves up on their bootstraps while never having been poor.

>>1418142
>>1418145
You literally need to be working to qualify for food stamps unless you physically cannot due to physical/mental disability, are pregnant, are a veteran, or are orphaned/homeless. You also can't pay for rent with minimum wage, even for a section 8 house.

>>1418147
>The equipment may be supplied by either the owner or the family.
And if the family can't provide one, despite each person working two jobs, that falls on the owner. But please show me a section 8 dwelling without a fridge.
>Also, good luck getting one that isn't going to be shit tier. Same goes for the stove.
>All of the equipment must be in proper operating condition
God talk about entitlement. Having a working fridge isn't good enough, it needs to be an LG one with a built-in monitor to satisfy your bullshit requirements.

>Except again; time investment,
And again, shut the fuck up. They can afford to spend one hour every three days - even in your made up fantasy of the entire family working two minimum wage jobs.
>not to mention the fact you're still short on a ton of nutrients with that diet.
What nutrients does the Big Mac have that Chicken, rice, an onion and a red pepper do not have?

>If it was a "full time" job you wouldn't have 2 you fucking idiot.
Okay so they're barely working. Cool. Thank you for clarifying that they do, in fact, have time to spend one hour cooking food, dumbass. lol

>Federal minimum wage is $7.50.
And the state with the most users of food stamps is California. Their minimum wage is $16 an hour. Working two minimum wage jobs means that one person in the family pulls in $32 an hour. At eight hours a day, they wouldn't qualify for SNAP.

But then again you said they don't work eight hours a day. lmao

>You're still an entitled retard who genuinely believes people on food stamps are just lazy
No I said they're obese you dumb faggot. Why don't you quote me where I said the word "lazy".... hell I didn't even say that after you pointed out the part where they're not working full time in either of the minimum wage jobs they have. lol stupid.

>>1418142
That's the great part of the "big beautiful bill".
You need to work to have welfare, but if you make enough to afford a decent meal, you don't qualify for welfare.

>>1418149
>Having a working fridge isn't good enough, it needs to be an LG one with a built-in monitor to satisfy your bullshit requirements.
Another proof you're a privileged little shit whose never been poor. You're in a shitty rental unit half the time your fridge is barely working.

>And the state with the most users of food stamps is California. Their minimum wage is $16 an hour. Working two minimum wage jobs means that one person in the family pulls in $32 an hour. At eight hours a day, they wouldn't qualify for SNAP.
And now you're reduced to "Well, in THIS state, they wouldn't qualify! ignore the drastically increased price of living and the fact food stamps calculates based on POSITIVE INCOME and not raw".

>Okay so they're barely working. Cool.
Do you not understand two part time jobs is still a long work day? You're fucking retarded.

Also, you say this like a full family on food stamps is one where everyone is working. That's outright not how it works; if that were the case they wouldn't be on food stamps. But kids can't work. Disabled people in a family can't work. You're absolutely deluded in terms of what kind of people are on SNAP.

>No I said they're obese you dumb faggot
They're not obese because they're eating fast food. They're obese because healthy food is expensive; even that chicken and rice you're advocating for is typically the cheapest, least healthy chicken and rice in the store that has little nutritional value and tastes as bland as physically possible even with seasoning.

>>1418150
>but if you make enough to afford a decent meal,
>if I keep ignoring the fact that junk food costs more than healthy food I might win the argument

>>1418157
>Another proof you're a privileged little shit whose never been poor.
More like further proof you're a butthurt little faggot who can't argue.
>You're in a shitty rental unit half the time your fridge is barely working.
>All of the equipment must be in proper operating condition

>And now you're reduced to "Well, in THIS state,
I went with the worst example, but if that's not good enough then give me another state to cherry-pick and we'll go from there.

>Do you not understand two part time jobs is still a long work day?
And yet they still have time to cook for one hour, faggot. Keep seething because you didn't think your argument through and played yourself.

>Also, you say this like a full family on food stamps is one where everyone is working.
If your hypothetical example of a family only has one member working two part-time jobs then they have no business raising children - least of all the number of kids they would have to have to qualify for SNAP in California whilst working two minimum wage jobs pulling in $32 an hour.

>They're not obese because they're eating fast food.
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>They're obese because healthy food is expensive;
Wrong dumb faggot. We've already covered this enough.
>even that chicken and rice you're advocating for is typically the cheapest, least healthy chicken
And STILL healthier than the fucking Big Mac - Which is why you deliberately did not answer my question from last post: What nutrients does the Big Mac have that Chicken, rice, an onion and a red pepper do not have?

>and tastes as bland as physically possible even with seasoning.
Ever heard the saying "beggars can't be choosers" you entitled fuck?

>>1418159
>>if I keep ignoring the fact that junk food costs more than healthy food I might win the argument
Welfare has a hard income limit for eligibility.
If you're working 80 hours a month at a job that actually allows you to live on anything more than lentils and beans, you don't qualify. And at that point you're still making too little money to afford luxuries like rent or healthcare.
The fags in congress who voted for this bill literally, actually, unironically use our taxdollars to provide universal healthcare in Israel.

>>1418161
None of what you said addresses the fact that food stamp users - which the majority of are obese - use food stamps to buy junk food - which costs more than healthy food - instead of buying cheaper, but healthier items.

At this point it's getting ridiculous.
>healthy food is cheaper
>junk food is more expensive
Prove me wrong.

>>1418164
>instead of buying cheaper, but healthier items.
Learn what a food desert is. And shitty food has the added benefit of being fast and keeping long. People working long hours to survive don't have the luxury of driving out to the local farmer's market and cooking up a real meal every fucking day.

>>1418166
>Learn what a food desert is.
Does not exist in America. Name a town that exists that has a SNAP program but does not have a grocery store to use it.

>And shitty food has the added benefit of being fast and keeping long.
That's the only advantage that it has. Certainly does not have the benefit of being nutritious or cheap.

>People working long hours to survive
Two part-time jobs again? lol

Imagine being such an entitled fucking faggot that working eight hours a day (your two part-time jobs combined) is considered "long hours". It's amazing how normal human beings that work full-time jobs can find time to cook dinner for a family, but those working less than 40 hours a week can't do it.

>driving out to the local farmer's market
Because you need to do that to buy lettuce. You can't buy that anywhere else in America.

Y'all are fucking ridiculous with your bullshit coping. And I've had a long day of fireworks and automatic weapons, so unless you fags come up with something real for me in the next five minutes, I'm getting some sleep. That gives you at least eight hours to come up with some damage control.

>>1417847 (OP)
>Republicans bloat the US national debt by trillions of dollars
This will fix the economy. The gains will outweight the losses, especially if we take Canada and Greenland. Shure. There are a few things I don’t like, such as selling public lands; but that will bring in a lot of revenue and economy activity. Everything else is good. I do like the across-the-board tax cuts: no tax on tips, social security, or overtime. Due to congressional rules, they can’t include cuts in a bill being passed by reconciliation. Therefore, I really want to see DOGE cuts (and beyond) solidified via executive order. Eliminating all the waste and fraud and tightening up requirements in medicare and medicaid and SNAP and killing obamacare is something that only Trump would have the courage and leadership to do. These programs shouldn't even exist! Some people, even fellow redpilled are just too soft, but back before leftist ruined everything, we let the law of the land sort out failures rather than throwing money at them. Finally, we need more ICE funding if we're to clean this nation of the dregs. All the crying leftists are just a cherry on top for me.

>>1418171
>This will fix the economy. The gains will outweight the losses
The gains have literally never outweighed the losses in the history of right wing economic theory. Your shit has a more busted history than fucking communism.

>>1418169
>Does not exist in America. Name a town that exists that has a SNAP program but does not have a grocery store to use it.
Name a dollar general that has healthy food.

>>1417851
>they will be required to work
How are people this fucking retarded

>>1418190
Bro, learn to recognize a chatgpt response. That fucker isn't real.

>>1418191
>https://www.dollargeneral.com/ch/better-for-you
Now can you name a town that has SNAP but does not have a grocery food? I don't think you can.

It's going to be another day of you faggots taking Ls.

>>1418206
>but does not have a grocery food?
grocery store*
derp

>>1418206
LMAO

I clicked the drinks page on this "better for you" DGsite and the top 2 results are a fucking energy drink and JOLLY RANCHER DRINK MIX.

Eat absolute shit. Thank you for proving my point.

>>1418208
Well then you must be a real fat piece of shit for them to recommend that stuff to you (probably on food stamps), because I clicked on beverages and got
>Sparkling Ice, Black Raspberry, 17oz $1
>POWERADE ZERO Mixed Berry Sports Drink, 28 fl oz $1.40
>Clover Valley Drinking Water, Gallon, 1 Ct $1.75
etc.

>>1418209
You're holding up powerade zero as something cheap and healthy? So you're just an idiot, huh?

>Well then you must be a real fat piece of shit for them to recommend that stuff to you
Ah yes. I'm fat. That's why Dollar General doesn't know what health food is. Not that they sell so few actually remotely healthy things that they have to pad their bullshit with poison and sugar water.

>>1418210
>You're holding up powerade zero as something cheap and healthy?
Compared to the dumb shit you somehow pulled up, like Jolly Rancher drink mix that I still can't even find on here. And definitely more cheap and healthy than all the other junk food items you faggots have been defending on here since yesterday.

>Ah yes. I'm fat. That's why Dollar General doesn't know what health food is.
Or you're just a retard who doesn't know how to use a website. Here let me help you:
https://www.dollargeneral.com/c/food-beverage/better-for-you/better-for-you-beverages
Water, milk, DIET TEA... Yeah look at all these healthier options that you thought didn't exist in a dollar general... Y'know since we're still going down this dumb fantasy argument you made where places exist with only a dollar general and no other stores in town to buy anything healthy. What other cope do you got?

>>1418211
>Compared to the dumb shit you somehow pulled up, like Jolly Rancher drink mix that I still can't even find on here
It's based on your fucking address, dipshit.

>>1418213
>It's based on your fucking address, dipshit.
LMAO says a lot about you then.

>>1418214
You are unbelievably fucking dumb. It checks your address to find the stock of the nearby Dollar General.

God, if you don't understand that, you're too young to be posting here. Fuck off.

>>1418215
Awwww are you upset? Maybe you should take your foodstamps to dollar general and get something healthy to eat for once. You'll feel better.

Or just blow it on soda and chips like you retards do all the fucking time. Hey it's not like you're paying for it after all.

>>1418216
You don't even do your own shopping, kid. Maybe stop bitching about who buys what until you're supporting yourself.

>>1418219
>You don't even do your own shopping, kid.
LMAO not even memeing right now, I literally just got back from the grocery store. Spent less than $30 dollars on food for the week.
>chicken thighs
>salmon fillet
>thick-cut bacon
>some teriyaki marinade
>a gallon of water
And then I threw in a cherry pepsi and one of those red barron pizzas just for fun. $26.95. lol

But please tell me more how expensive all this healthy (and not so healthy pizza, I'll keep it real) is and how it's out of reach for people on foodstamps that are buying fast food and other junk.

>>1418221
>$26 on water, colored carbonated water, three types of processed meat, seasoning and hyper-processed slop that's going to give you colon cancer in ten years
Meanwhile a brick of cheese is $12, non-slop bread is $8, a gallon of milk is $5 and another $12 on foods that provide you with the necessary 38g of fiber you need each day.
>americans buying food on credit
>maga decides to cut benefits, send more money to israel
You wanna know when mass revolts start? When the working class can't afford food you fucking idiot

>>1418222
>Meanwhile a brick of cheese is $12
$1.97.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Pepper-Jack-Cheese-8-oz-Block-Plastic-Packaging/10452775?classType=REGULAR&athbdg=L1300&from=/search
>non-slop bread is $8
$2.50
https://www.dollargeneral.com/p/nature-s-own-sliced-homestyle-white-bread-small-loaf-size-oz/72250008136
>a gallon of milk is $5
$2.99
https://www.aldi.us/product/friendly-farms-2-milk-0000000000001479
>and another $12 on foods that provide you with the necessary 38g of fiber you need each day.
Like what? That fucking Big Mac that has the nutrients chicken, rice and veggies are missing? LMAO.

Get specific. We'll go through this with me educating you one by one.

>You wanna know when mass revolts start? When the working class can't afford food you fucking idiot
>working class
>on food stamps
>obese
lol sure thing anon.

>>1418223
They're obese because the food is shit, retard.

>>1418226
Yeah no shit retard. They keep buying expensive junk food and fast food instead of saving money buying healthy foods. And you faggots ITT keep making all the dumbest excuses in the world for them.
>they don't have refrigerators
>they're working two jobs and don't have time to cook
>Okay they're only working part-time jobs so they still qualify for SNAP, but still somehow can't find time to cook.
>they can't afford a pan to cook with
>muh food deserts (IN AMERICA?!? LMAO COPE)
>muh dollar store doesn't have healthy foods (it actually does lol)
>it tastes bland

>>1418227
>muh food deserts (IN AMERICA?!? LMAO COPE)
I can't tell if you're a city or not an American, but for many of us in America, we need to travel literal hours to reach a decent grocery store. My commute time to my work alone is 1.5 hours.

>>1418228
Uh huh. Yup. Tell me which town is this that is so small it doesn't even have a dollar general, but has section 8 housing? I'd love it if you could point this out on a map for me.

>>1418231
>thinks dollar general is a decent grocery store
The sperglord was right. You really aren't an American.

>>1418232
>still tries to argue that dollar general doesn't have healthy food even though I've listed multiple healthy food choices
I'm still waiting on you to point out this town where section 8 housing exists but food doesn't.

But it's okay. I know you can't.

>>1418228
>but for many of us in America, we need to travel literal hours to reach a decent grocery store
Well luckily you're going to die now that trump took your healthcare, and the normal people who live near cities can buy our healthy groceries while we watch the fentanyl addicted alley dwellers also die off due to lack of health care and our housing prices drop due to illegals being deported

>>1418233
Hey retard, we forced Dollar General to carry more things than just junk food because they are the only places people go in rural food deserts

>>1418234
The cruelty you relish in daily is black hearted and I hope one day you experience it yourself.

>>1418235
Which means they have healthy food, yes?

>>1418236
I'm just being hyperbolic for shock value. I'm actually looking forward to able bodied people of working age being required to work to get welfare (well, they are required now, but the difference is that nobody verifies it, the big difference will be that states must be verifying that people are working or trying to work to receive the federal funding) I think it will actually offset quite a bit of job losses we've had from illegal immigrants being deported, we will basically be forcing Able-Bodied people of working age to start taking up these construction jobs, which I think is more helpful for them than being bums on public assistance

>>1418238
>the difference is that nobody verifies it, the big difference will be that states must be verifying that people are working or trying to work to receive the federal funding
Actually, the other caveat that I really enjoy about this change is that they also allow people to go to school and receive public assistance, which I think is a huge improvement because it actually allows the people who want to improve themselves the means to at least attempt to do so and not lose their food

>>1418238
>able-bodied
>bums
choose one, but only one, nigger. The only reason you know of the term "able-bodied" besides being a methhead rapist is because you read a state approved form following state-approved terminology. You're a pathetic shillbot. What this all does is push more bodies into the line for disability benefit approval - thus bloating one entirely ill prepared service. Example, you're a retarded nigger. That is all.

>>1418238
>I'm just being hyperbolic for shock value.
No, you were right. I'm probably going to lose healthcare in 2027.
I already can't afford regular healthcare because I don't work enough to afford it. If I did work enough to meet the new requirements, my monthly pay would put me over the income limit, but I still couldn't afford healthcare.
I have chronic health issues which prevent me from working as much as I want. I need medication to treat that. If I don't have medication, I can't work.
So yeah. I'm probably fucked.

>>1418242
wow that's a lot of strawmen for a single post, anon

>>1418244
>I have chronic health issues which prevent me from working as much as I want. I need medication to treat that. If I don't have medication, I can't work.
Sounds like you aren't able bodied. You still get healthcare

>>1418248
You don't understand how hard it is to prove that to the state. Nobody is getting free healthcare because they have ulcerative colitis.

>>1417872
>this right here
is faggotry in it's final form.
It's all old gotcha bs. The objective throughout the last 40ish years of US gov't has been to make one overhead service of the (insert whatever that is is still around) conglomerates - meaning waddling and waiting for tech (better datamining) and specialists (esp. thinktanks) to reach a predetermined threshold that could sustain the people over the millennia - including being subjected to maintenance and adjustable inflationary reactions of the markets.
>Obama was a reactionary and moron
The public "private" sector healthcare market development, and, the 10yr slash to food assistance WAS the BANDAID.

>>1418242
Wow.
Just... Wow.

>>1418249
right there with you anon. Myocarditis is a bitch to hunt down, never mind having heart failure over three dozen times in two years. Discount that with extreme arthritis, chronic Crohn's, etc. - one has to pretty much seem like they got hit by truck before reaching the state defined level of disabled, too.

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/10738-Figure-2.png
Seems reasonable to me

>>1418235
I'm sorry I didn't get an answer to my last post.

Which means they have healthy food, yes?

>>1418257
Tell us where you shop for food so we can make fun of your ignorance.

>>1418259
Which means they have healthy food, yes?

>>1418253
samefag here - btw still considered "able-bodied"

>>1418255
This is it? This is what everyone is outraged about?

>>1418278
other anon's pic related has been cornerstoned as status quo - since over twenty years ago - they "set it and forget it."
My indignation is POTUS micromanaging retreaded ground over and over - most likely letters to statesmen get treated like people's resumes in the employment mills.
Sad that over $100B is already going towards the Golden Toilet Bowl :
https://www.whitehouse.gov/videos/the-golden-dome-missile-defense-shield/
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/missile-defense/golden-dome-missile-defense.html

>>1418298
Golden Dome is valuable. We got Canada and Mexico, two countries who would be more than happy to destroy us right on our borders. We need this. If they get uppity, we'll be able to crush them safely.

>>1417851
Required to work aka forced labor aka slavery

>>1417863
What is taxing people's work while doing nothing to assist it? Extortion?

>>1418349
the word u r looking for is "government"

>>1418337
it's funny cause you made this post in bread about bloat. $100B is the value it is going to be made by the lowest bidder, LHM, at initial time of inception. Wait till the price gets "fuzzy" because they need to have 120k customized screws that costs $300/pc.

>>1418337
Do anons want war with Canada so bad because they're bored, or is it because of South Park?

It's easy, everyone in the USA who voted for Trump should just compare his bank account shortly before the last election and then 4 years later when Trump (hopefully) retires. If you then have MORE money than before: GZ, you were right. If you have LESS money...well bad luck. ;)