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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14895463/ICE-California-farm-Camarillo-raid.html

> An ICE protestor could be seen firing a gun directly towards federal agents on Thursday morning as a volatile standoff escalated at a California cannabis farm.

> The moment was captured from above as a news helicopter surveyed the scene while chaos erupted down below outside Glass House Farms in Ventura County.

> Just seconds after Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents fired smoke canisters into a crowd of demonstrators near Laguna Road, one individual could be clearly seen raising a firearm and appeared to discharge it in the agents' direction.

> The raid was part of the broad federal crackdown on undocumented workers in Southern California - but it quickly spiraled into bedlam.

> Agents blocked off roads and stormed the facility in what witnesses described as a sudden and aggressive operation.

> Tear gas choked the air, smoke bombs were thrown and projectiles flew.

> Protesters, farmworkers, and family members scattered through the fields, many screaming, some hit, with others pouring milk over their faces to soothe burning eyes.

> At least three people were taken to hospital while dozens more were detained.

> Within minutes, smoke filled the air as stunned onlookers scrambled for safety.

> Video and photos from the scene showed ICE agents clashing with a crowd of more than 100 people - many of them farmworkers or their family members - who had initially formed a human blockade along the road.

> Federal agents responded with force as they deployed smoke canisters and what appeared to be less-lethal munitions.

>>1419294 (OP)
> The raid by ICE in Ventura County seemed to come as a complete surprise.

> The sprawling cannabis operation, one of the largest in the state, was quickly sealed off with yellow crime scene tape marked 'U.S. Border Patrol.'

> The standoff was tense and at times violent standoff surrounded by fields lined with crops.

> On one side of the road dozens of armed and masked federal agents could be seen lining up in tactical gear.

> On the other, more than 100 protesters, including farmworkers, community members, and family members of those believed to be targeted.

> Footage posted by the 805 Immigrant Coalition showed agents forming a blockade while demonstrators shouted expletives and refused to back down.

> Suddenly, plumes of green and white smoke erupted over the fields.

> Smoke grenades were thrown though with witnesses saying it was ICE agents who started the conflict.

> 'There was just smoke everywhere. People were running. It looked like war,' said Adrian Garcia, 25, a former worker at the farm who raced to the site after hearing his cousin was inside to the VC Star.

> 'I've never seen anything like this on a farm.'

> Agents fired projectiles into the crowd, striking at least one person in the face, according to eyewitness accounts. Others were hit in the torso and legs.

> Tear gas canisters were stomped out by protesters as others poured milk on their faces to try and calm the effects.

> First responders declared a mass casualty incident. Fire and medical crews from Oxnard and Ventura County treated several people and transported three to nearby hospitals.

>>1419296
> Ventura County Fire spokesperson Andrew Dowd confirmed emergency personnel were dispatched solely for medical aid and had no involvement in the federal operation.

> Among the crowd were relatives of undocumented workers caught in the chaos.

> Jessica Lopez said she received a call from her husband around 9:30am.

> 'He told me ICE was inside. He said he was hiding,' she said. 'He hasn't broken any laws. He just works here to support us.'

> Dalia Perez of Oxnard said her undocumented mother has worked at Glass House for more than 30 years.

> 'Upset. Helpless,' she said, describing her emotions. 'She hasn't done anything wrong. She's a mother. She's a worker.'

> By 2pm, a white ICE bus escorted by what appeared to be a National Guard vehicle rolled down Laguna Road, believed to be transporting detainees.

> The Department of Homeland Security has not yet confirmed the number of people taken into custody.

> Ventura County Democratic Party Chair Steve Auclair condemned the operation in harsh terms. His mother, who was present at the scene, was struck by a gas canister and hit by a projectile.

> 'This was a military attack on our community,' Auclair said. 'First they came for the farmworkers. Now they're coming for all of us.'

> United Farm Workers president Teresa Romero echoed such concerns.

> 'There's no good reason to do this to agricultural areas,' she said. 'These workers are living in panic every single day. And now they're under siege.'

>>1419298
> Glass House Farms, which purchased the Ventura County facility in 2021, has not commented on the raid. It remains unclear what prompted Thursday's operation, and ICE has not released a statement on the incident.

> As of Thursday evening, protesters remained outside the gates of the farm. Some held signs. Others simply waited for any word of those detained.

> 'We just want to know if our families are safe,' said Dalia Perez. 'That's all we want. Safety. Dignity. And some kind of peace.'

> The raid comes amid a wave of federal immigration enforcement operations targeting agricultural sites across Southern California.

> President Donald Trump, who returned to office in January, had initially signaled a shift in tone, promising to protect farmworkers even if undocumented.

> 'They're not citizens, but they've turned out to be, you know, great,' Trump said in a June 12 statement.

> 'We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back… We're going to have an order on that pretty soon.'

> But that apparent pivot has not slowed enforcement. Raids have been reported in multiple counties since June.

> Meanwhile, cities and counties across the state are pushing back.

> This week, Los Angeles County and eight other municipalities joined a lawsuit against the Trump administration, alleging that the tactics used by federal agents are unconstitutional.

> The suit names Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi among others, accusing them of racial profiling, unlawful detentions, and violations of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

Fin.

Also check the article itself. Loads of good photographs and footage of the shooting.

Turn yourself in, get $1000 dollars and a plane ticket to your home country.

Don't Turn yourself in, get gassed, get arrested, maybe shot, maybe eaten by a gator, and wind up dumped anywhere.

>>1419294 (OP)
>A whole line of cops standing together
>lefty dem fires a handgun multiple times in their direction
>doesn't hit anybody
These are the people who want to regulate gun ownership?

Another leftist terrorist attack, at a drug facility no less! color me surprised!

>>1419302
Nazis called their extermination camps "vacation resorts".

>>1419314
>Pools
>Babies
>Rollercoasters
I mean...

>why are there children working at a marijuana facility
Because as a handout to rural Republican doners that own farms, the national minimum age for farm work is below that of other industries, at 12 years old.

Jackasses.

Farm workers can also be legally paid subminimum wage.

anyone recall when the GOP used to be the party of states' rights? Trump is sending federal troops into states to arrest US citizens, in violation of a shitload of state and federal laws, and nary a peep from the MAGAs.

>>1419322
Ah yes, all those conservative pot farmers in California
Lmao
You got a source for your pipe dream, pal?

>>1419327
Cali farmers are the only conservative part of the state. Pot or normal crops, they're still farmers.

>>1419302
>Oh boy, $1000 and I have to completely start my life over again in the very country I was so desperate to escape! What a steal!
If someone offered you the deal to move to another state on the other side of the country where you knew no one, had no job opprotunity set up for you, and had no housing set up for you, but you get 1k, would you fucking do it?

>>1419322
Don't forget they're likely there because they heard the place was getting raided by thugs and they're scared for their parents.

Hm, how were they supposed to know they were ICE and not some kind of armed paramilitary? ICE is quite infamous for not identifying themselves you know.

>>1419326
>anyone recall when the GOP used to be the party of states' rights?
Yeah and remember when you were okay with Biden sending feds to face off with Texas police over putting up barbed wire at the border? I didn't hear any whining about states rights from your faggot ass back then. Quite the opposite.

>>1419327
>Ah yes, all those conservative pot farmers in California
Ask me how I know you know jack shit about California. And Republicans for that matter. Not that long ago a former GOP House Speaker became a fucking pot lobbyist.

>>1419348
Biden sued. He didn't send feds anywhere to do jack shit, even though he should have.

>>1419350
So federal agents did not remove the concertina wire? Are you sure about that?

>>1419350
....... I'm waiting....
Y'know what? Fuck it.
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-immigration-texas-razor-wire-9daef6bd316211b6633ece718e505187
>WASHINGTON (AP) — A divided Supreme Court on Monday allowed Border Patrol agents to resume cutting for now razor wire that Texas installed along a stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border that is at the center of an escalating standoff between the Biden administration and the state over immigration enforcement.

So tell me more about how your party was actually all for states' rights.

>>1419348
>US border
>States rights
You're a moron.

>>1419352
NTA but notice how the supreme court ruled the wire was in violation of the law.

>workers at a pot farm invoke their human right to self defense and firearms possession like rightoids are always going on about
>somehow not the good guys of the story
huh.

>>1419356
>Texans aren't allowed to enforce their own borders
The party of states' rights everyone!

>>1419358
Notice how these illegals are in violation of the law? Doesn't stop you people from shooting at police. Then crying "muh states' rights" over ICE showing up at a weed farm that employs children... failed to notice your complaints about law violations over that too.

>>1419361
Federal Government protects the US Border
10th amendment says Texas doesn't have any implied right to enforce federal borders
Fuck off, non-American shill. This is clearly laid out in the constitution

>>1419362
Thank you for again confirming you don't believe Texas can enforce their own borders and are against states' rights - despite whining about it.

>>1419363
It isn't Texas' borders, it's the US. You can do whatever you want with your borders with other states, but when you border another country the federal government is not ok with you potentially starting an international incident.

>>1419373
>It isn't Texas' borders,
The party of states' rights everyone!

>>1419373
Forget it, she's rolling.

Its also morally right to shoot any masked retards who refuse to identify themselves and start grabbing people off the street. We have multiple stories of people impersonating ICE agents to commit crimes, if someone can't provide identification then they're not law enforcement.

>>1419375
Do whatever the equivalent of states in Brazil expect to control their own section of the national border?
They may do it differently in Brazil and thats why you're getting confused.

>>1419378
I don't know why you're bringing up Brazil, and wtf they have to do with the topic. You want to bitch about states' rights? Well states have the right to enforce their borders, especially when the federal government fails to do so. They're not obligated to allow illegals into their state.

So don't bitch to me about muh states' rights over ICE deportations in California. You didn't give a fuck then, you only pretend to give a fuck now because the pendulum swung the other direction this time.

>>1419382
>Well states have the right to enforce their borders
Not if they're national borders you fucking retard. The federal government is directly stated to have control of national borders first and foremost. Texas can do whatever they want on their borders with other states but when it comes to the border with Mexico, yes, the federal government has first say.

>>1419388
So Texas is just supposed to bend over and take 11 million illegals up the ass while Biden has another dementia episode? Yeah don't complain about states' rights to me again, faggot. If Texas doesn't have the right to protect their own borders, then you DEFINITELY don't have the right to shoot at police.

>>1419391
this is a cute narrative, but why does trump's secret ice police have to invade schools and businesses, and deport people who have been here for years or decades to catch these supposed millions of violent illegals who just showed up under biden

>>1419395
>why do police have to go where criminals are at to arrest them?
Gee that's a tough one, Anon.

>>1419397
i see you have no answer. enjoy being remembered as scum by historians fascist faggot

>>1419388
>yes, the federal government has first say.
More specifically according to the supreme Court the federal government has the final say, not the first.
The supreme Court ruled the federal government had the authority to remove any barriers Texas set up that obstructed their job, but specifically never ruled that Texas was not allowed to set them up.

I can cite the ruling if you'd like, it's only a few years old and it's result was that Texas continued to construct barriers, and border patrol continued to remove them when they wanted to

>>1419395
>deport people who have been here for years or decades to catch these supposed millions of violent illegals who just showed up under biden
Well, because a) nobody ever reformed immigration law, so they are still here illegally and b) because an illegal is an illegal, I'm not sure it matters if they are one of the millions Biden let in illegally or not

>>1419400
trump's own family is illegal based on his own "reforms", stupid faggot. we all know what's actually happening and it is disgracing america on a global level

>>1419402
Never forget Melania got a visa meant for exceptional geniuses despite having 0 accomplishments prior.

>>1419400
“Illegal” is a technical term but as you said it has not been reformed. So it is “illegal” in the same sense that jay walking is illegal. A civil violation, you ready to round up all the jay walkers? Overstaying your visa is done by a majority of white people. They are making no efforts to round up people overstaying their visa. Should we round up and send those folks to detention camps in Florida too? Same level of crime. Your desire to demonize this group while ignoring the minor level of offense shows your xenophobia and bigotry is your main motivator. Not the rule of law.

>>1419408
we actually have deported White Canadians and Europeans. You all got salty about that too with lots of "but they aren't dangerous criminals or gangmembers so why are you deporting them!"

why does the GOP want white people to work in the fields while continually approving H1B visas for Indians to work high-paying corporate office jobs?

>>1419408
>“Illegal” is a technical term
Here we go. Already trying to downplay it, like you did in >>1418840 .Every fucking thread.
>So it is “illegal” in the same sense that jay walking is illegal.
Called it.
>your xenophobia and bigotry
Bonus u racist if u enforce laws.

>>1419409
Nice job demonstrating white people will also get swept up by this retard. It's either racist or fascist; either they're targeting brown people only, or just using this as a blanket excuse to send people to overseas prisons without due process.

>>1419412
>Nice job demonstrating white people will also get swept up by this retard.
NTA, that means it's not racist then, right?

>>1419414
Pretty much yeah.
We can tell who is an illegal immigrant immediately because they don't understand english.

>>1419414
You can both use it as an excuse to also disappear white people while simultaneously disproportionately targeting brown ones. Tell me, how many people have ICE held for days just because they had Hispanic features and didn't have their entire birth certificate and passport on them?

>>1419418
Plenty of citizens don't speak or understand much English, if you lived in a large city you'd know that.

>>1419421
Understanding basic English is a key requirement to pass the test for naturalization. If they don't understand it, then they didn't come here legally.

>>1419422
Or they were born here in a household that doesn't speak primarily English and live in an immigrant neighborhood.

>>1419424
English doesn't need to be your primary language to be able to understand and speak english.
Also, we know that there are multi-generational households of illegal immigrants in the United States. It changes nothing. They don't belong here and they need to be removed.

>>1419426
>we know
No one cares about what your shill collective erroneously believes

>>1419420
Anon they will disappear anyone who criticizes Israel, no matter what skin color.
>>1419292

>>1419430
Okay, well, your side is shooting at ICE officers. So I guess we're at an impasse.

>>1419432
They aren't ICE agents if they don't unmask and provide badge numbers.
Shooting thugs impersonating law enforcement is based, fuck off shill

>>1419434
>Shooting thugs impersonating law enforcement is based
Anon, these are confirmed ICE officers.
If you're rebelling against the lawful authority and obstructing the federal government from enforcing its own laws, that's not 'based', that's sedition and treason.

>>1419435
So anonymous retards who don't identify themselves are law enforcement are confirmed agents?
I didn't know Vance Boelter worked for the GOP, thanks for admitting to assassination charges

>>1419438
>who don't identify themselves are law enforcement
Pretty sure they verbally identify themselves just like all other law enforcement does.
Your entire argument is built on conflating the truth tho. ICE is federally and legally required to wear badges. They are legally required to announce they are ICE.
What they are not doing is showing their faces, which is not required by law, and you are purposefully conflating showing their face as identifying themselves, which is inaccurate and a lie.

They have badges, they may not have an ID number the same as a local PD badge, but they wear official badges and they announce themselves as ICE

The rest of your argument is literally just shit flinging lies

>>1419438
>riot gear
>identifying patches on vests
>humvees
>aircraft overhead
>That's not the government! That's the boogaloo boys!
Cope, cope and more cope.

>>1419440
>>riot gear
>>identifying patches on vests
>>humvees
All things civilians can buy and cosplay in.
Keep coping retard, in America cops need to provide badge numbers.

>>1419332
If I didn’t belong there in the first place then yeah why not. Better than the alternative. They will all get deported and birthright citizens will be stripped of their fraudulent papers.

>>1419441
Yeah they can also buy a police uniform on Amazon. I guess that means anyone wearing that can be shot on sight.

Go ahead and try that out Anon. Seriously, I'm rooting for you.

>>1419443
You're acting like its a joke when a Republicunt literally did that a month ago and killed two lawmakers.

Its okay, we know you're being deliberately retarded because you're paid to be, so you don't actually believe this horseshit

>>1419446
So go ahead and shoot anyone wearing a police uniform. Do it, faggot!

>>1419449
>police uniform.
silly retard, we're not talking about police officers.
They don't need to hide their faces, present warrants, and provide badge numbers when asked.
Read the thread before you reply so you don't look so fucking stupid

>>1419439
No response to this I see

>>1419451
Good shilling? 10/10?
Its not like you want to talk facts or reality, so I don't know what else you want

>>1419439
>ICE is federally and legally required to wear badges.
They don't do that either. And anyone can announce themselves as ICE to harass and rob people. Without faces there is no accountability.

>>1419450
>no police officer has ever been part of a no-knock raid without a warrant while masked up
Holy shit you are dumb.

>>1419454
>Without faces there is no accountability.
And I'm sure you hold that same standard to rioting Antifags?

>>1419322
Actually those laws are there to allow kids under 16 to drive tractors on the roadways if they are working for their family farm.
They don't allow farmers to hire 12 year olds.
These were unaccompanied kids working on the farm, not related to the owners.
In those situations the kids are working off the debt their parents took on for smuggling them. Once the kids earn enough the parents get smuggled in as well.
There were a bunch of egg farms busted doing this during Obama administration.
Leftists are demonically evil.

>>1419457
so you admit ice is holding themselves to the same standards as a bunch of teenage anarchists?

>>1419455
>no-knock raid without a warrant while masked up
thats just a home invasion, retard

>>1419349
>Ask me how I know you know jack shit about California.
NTA, I'm very familiar with Californian "conservatives". It's the same bullshit whenever they move here. Six months into being a transplant and they start pushing for the shit that made them leave in the first place.
>I'm for gun rights, but...
>I'm for border control, but...
>I'm for low taxes, but...

>>1419460
By police, yes?

>>1419439
So did the guys who did the St Valentines massacre.
The argument that you should let anyone who yells "police!" do anything they want to you is immediately defeated by the fact that anyone can yell "police!"

>>1419408
And here is where the coping begins

>>1419441
>>1419454
The only people impersonating ICE so far are Democrats

>>1419469
>According to ICE, the only people impersonating ICE so far are Democrats
kek

>>1419469
>he's okay with being manhandled by democrats larping as ice
Kinky boy.

>>1419467
You're not actually responding to what they posted.

Listening works better when you use your ears instead of your mouth.

Your scab labor is going away.
Labor costs are going to rise.
Get fucked you anti-labor asshole.

>>1419475
nobody is ever going to believe republicans are pro labor. you are bad at your job

>>1419475
They posted that ICE probably maybe we think should have verbally identified themselves if they felt like it.
Just like the guys who showed up at a rival gang hideout wearing police uniforms and then lined them up against a wall and gunned them down.

>>1419476
You're literally advocating for infinite imported scab labor to keep wages down.
You can't be pro immigration and pro labor.
Immigration hurts the working class.

Your imported scabs are going away.

>>1419477
That isn't what they posted at all.

You're just proving their point actually.

>>1419480
They posted this exact sentence.
>Pretty sure they verbally identify themselves just like all other law enforcement does.

>>1419481
>if they felt like it

And you posted this

Proving their point.

Fuck you wage suppressing assholes.

>>1419482
keep pretending trump isn't relegalizing slavery, shill. your faux rage is unconvincing

>>1419483

Removing cheap scab labor is slavery?

Employers having to raise wages to compete for workers is literally the 1860s again.

You people are insane good lord

Your scabs are going away and labor costs are going to go up and it's the end of the world for you apparently

>>1419482
>pretty sure
I'm pretty sure they're paying you too much for this performance. Put your manager on, I have a complaint.

>>1419487
They aren't saying what you are saying they are

You're still proving their point

Not an honest bone in your body

Labor costs are going to go up, scabs are getting deported, all is well

>>1419486
Actually he's referring to Trump floating allowing migrants to not be deported in exchange for working for farmers, who would implicitly be able to have them arrested and deported should they not be pleased with them. They'd also presumably still be underpaid and effectively monitored by ICE at all times.

>>1419483
>trump isn't relegalizing slavery
How is it slavery by making it harder for people to employ people and pay them below minimum wage due to their immigration status?

>>1419490
Actually, he's encouraging that with the specific caveat of them being deported should they fail the person running the farm. Oh and it isn't a road to citizenship or anything. Just stuck being underpaid under threat of removal, probably not even to the same country they came from. Or prison if they "discover" the offender was actually an ms-13 member.

>>1419494
>Actually, he's encouraging that with the specific caveat of them being deported should they fail the person running the farm.
This is just the official version of illegal immigrants working on your farm
If they look at you funny, or ask to be paid, or complain about the shitty living quarters, or ask for a break after 20 hours of work, then you deport them
So slavery.

>>1419495
A lot of them are sexually abused, too.
It stresses me out when I see liberals say
>ugh you're just a raciss because you hate brown people
and then I see video footage of a farm with teenage girls on it.
It's like, hey dipshit, how about you leave the fucking country if you agree with slavery? Can we get you out of the country? Can we put you on a plane and drop you off in a third world country, you piece of shit? Fuck you

>>1419498
So you're fine with them being forcibly deported (to places where they're more likely to be killed or abused) but not fine with them being abused while working?

>>1419500
They're abused because they come here illegally, retard; they exist outside the legal framework which protects them. They don't have the same social networks that we do, either.

>>1419503
>protects them
Protects us*
Because if you or I work for a scumfuck employer who tries molesting underaged girls, they can report that guy. But if a migrant reports them, they get reported to ice and/or killed. They have no legal documentation so they technically don't exist.
Who the fuck are these faggots who keep trying to shame us for not wanting the modern equivalent of slavery in America. I want their names.

>>1419503
You keep acting like coming here illegally is some big mafia-level felony and not a simple misdemeanor. It would be hilarious if your delusions weren't actually killing people, but here we are.

>>1419505
>But if a migrant reports them, they get reported to ice and/or killed. They have no legal documentation so they technically don't exist.
NTA, so then come in to the country legally?

>>1419506
>You keep acting like coming here illegally is some big mafia-level felony
And you're that faggot who keeps comparing entering a country illegally to jaywalking.

>>1419509
and you're literally not american

>>1419508
Yeah that's pretty much the only solution. And cutting off the hands of people who keep incentivizing this shit.
Trump's deportations may be authoritarian but they're working at preventing more human suffering by dissuading illegals from making the trip over here and disappearing into the interior.
There was a whistleblower under the Biden admin that disclosed that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant children would disappear in the orphanage system in the US. If you ever wanted to know where Epstein found his victims, there you fucking go, I guess.

>>1419511
>epstein
did you forget trump's latest announcement about epstein already, shill?

>>1419508
Yeah, keep blaming the immigrants instead of the businesses paying to import them to abuse and dump
Its nice they tricked you into being an unpaid enforcer for their illegal laborers. They're probably saving a shitload of money.

>>1419512
>both sides! both sides!
Shut up you stupid faggot

>>1419513
>Yeah, keep blaming the immigrants instead of the businesses paying to import them to abuse and dump
Trump is going after businesses that use illegals too.
>Its nice they tricked you into being an unpaid enforcer for their illegal laborers.
lol I wish I was in Los Angeles curb-stomping you monkeys right now. Alas, you never have the balls to pull this shit in red states.

>>1419513
Indeed the Democrats are. That's why the big business donations keep rolling in.
And why not? Big businesses can use their media holdings to fool Democrat voters into literally killing people.
It's pretty effective.

>Trump is going after businesses that use illegals too.
It keeps repeating this lie XD

>dems are hiring all the illegals
uh huh, thats why Trump isn't issuing fines or shutting down businesses
cope harder

>>1419521
i'm glad you're finally embracing your identity, but faggot would be a more appropriate trip

>>1419509
I'm not the jaywalking guy btw, I'm the one who compares it to a speeding ticket.

>>1419524
Which would require a drivers license.

>>1419495
Slavery is where you can leave at any time if you choose.

This ice raid on a farm disproves your entire bullshit spin

>>1419505
So the owner gets in trouble and the scab labor goes away

Win win

>>1419528
And?

>>1419533
so your take is that immigrants can leave at any time when ICE raids their workplace?
How much fent have you smoked, retard?

>>1419506
Immigration sup>>1419513
You're the advocating for infinite cheap labor
Nice try at spinning though

>>1419537
sorry, replied to the wrong post >>1419533

>>1419533
>leave at any time
Big oof anon

>>1419536

Is that what I said?

No it's not and you know that

You're the one calling slavery when that isn't the case

Ice raids are good
Your scab labor is going away and your handlers are going to have higher labor costs

You're advocating against the working class and should go lay down in traffic

>>1419539
You're trying to play word games over a situation that you're advocating for while trying to shame others about it.

Deport the scab labor.
Problem solved.

>>1419540
>>1419541
how do you manage to prove to everyone that you're not american every single day

>>1419535
Means going through a legal process of obtaining a license.

>>1419543
Do you think they only have drivers licenses in America?

>>1419541
>Deport the scab labor.
Yeah I'm fine with that. But I'm not fine with you denying that it's slavery.

>>1419544
To drive on public roads? Yeah that's a requirement last I checked.

>>1419540
>>1419541
It's not scabbing if no one wants the work in the first place.

We actually have a whole study on the last time an immigrant work force was driven out the US under the mindset that wages would go up citizens would fill the void. To summarize it; that didn't happen. The void left behind not only wasn't filled, but it actually resulted in even less citizens working in addition to the loss of immigrant workers because it stretched those willing to do the work even thinner with bigger workloads. The resulting massive economic damage and hardship took 60 years to undo.
>https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/2024-10/Impact%20of%20Chinese%20Exclusion%20-%20Tabellini.pdf

>>1419541
>HATE THE IMMIGRANT
>LOVE THE PEOPLE IMPORTING IMMIGRANTS FOR CHEAP LABOR
gotta love shill retards

>>1419548
>if no one wants the work in the first place.
So you admit that you'd rather have slaves then let the market correct itself instead of having a broken system that relies on slaves to keep the prices artificially low at the cost of human life?

You're also falsely grouping all immigrants together and the conversation is about illegal immigration

>>1419553
>Just ignore the study showing the market will not in-fact correct itself
I'd like farm workers to be paid and treated properly regardless of legal status. I'm also pointing out the only people willing to fill that niche are farm workers. The irony is "illegal immigration" as it exists right now didn't exist in the period this study looks at because the laws and regulations surrounding what is and is not proper immigration didn't exist. You either were a US citizen or you weren't; whether you got off a boat or jumped the border didn't matter.

>>1419553
>Just ignore the study showing the market will not in-fact correct itself
I'd like farm workers to be paid and treated properly regardless of legal status. I'm also pointing out the only people willing to fill that niche are immigrants. The irony is "illegal immigration" as it exists right now didn't exist in the period this study looks at because the laws and regulations surrounding what is and is not proper immigration didn't exist. You either were a US citizen or you weren't; whether you got off a boat or jumped the border didn't matter.

>>1419553
You're trying real hard to put words in other peoples mouths.
We're fine with immigrants being paid full rate for field work, whatever they'd pay Americans.
We just know no ones going to actually toil in the fields, you're just deluding yourself that someone will eventually be forced to if you complete your racist deportation spree

>>1419557
It shouldn't exist if it can't function without slaves. That single study is meaningless. You can't tell me that no one would have ever picked fruit or worked in fields and all agriculture would have stopped forever and no one would have fixed the problem or offered a solution
>>1419559
Shut up retard. Adults are talking. Go to pedosky if all you can contribute is calling everyone racist

>>1419561
>It shouldn't exist if it can't function without slaves
you really don't know america's history do you

>>1419561
>That single study is meaningless.
So are you denying the massive economic downturn and job loss that resulted happened at all?

There literally is a class of people fully willing to put in long working hours in those conditions because it will provide a better life for their family. That class of people are immigrants who want nothing more than to live here.

>>1419563
The "massive economic downturn" and "job loss" (slaves) is a pointless metric because of course the kikes are going to cry and lose money when you take away the slave labor. Feel free to completely ignore everything else thought and argue in favor of your slave labor
>There literally is a class of people fully willing to put in long working hours in those conditions because it will provide a better life for their family. That class of people are immigrants who want nothing more than to live here.
Yes, we call that class of people your slaves

>>1419564
It's not slavery for an immigrant to work a job you fucking retard. They should be properly paid for it and tying it to them being able to remain in the country. It's simple reality that the people willing to do some of the toughest jobs are those without other options.

You'll deny what's right in front of you and what awaits us down this path even when it's plainly obvious. Citizens didn't fill the void then and they won't fill the void now. All you accomplish is making everyone, including yourself, suffer so you can make some immigrants suffer a bit more for wanting a better life for them and their family.

>>1419564
It's not slavery for an immigrant to work a job you fucking retard. They should be properly paid for it and tying it to them being able to remain in the country is fucked. It's simple reality that the people willing to do some of the toughest jobs are those without other options.

You'll deny what's right in front of you and what awaits us down this path even when it's plainly obvious. Citizens didn't fill the void then and they won't fill the void now. All you accomplish is making everyone, including yourself, suffer so you can make some immigrants suffer a bit more for wanting a better life for them and their family.

>>1419564
>da jooz
you know you're shilling for zion don right shill anon

>>1419566
It is slavery for an ILLEGAL immigrant to get paid less than minimum wage and have no acceptable working conditions
>>1419568
Back to pedosky if you want to be retarded

>>1419569
i'm here because i like making fun of you, sorry faggot. you can cry about it if you want

>>1419569
>It is slavery for an ILLEGAL immigrant to get paid less than minimum wage and have no acceptable working conditions
maybe we should focus on that instead of deporting them.

>>1419569
>It is slavery for an ILLEGAL immigrant to get paid less than minimum wage and have no acceptable working conditions
Good post.

>>1419575
But that would require the rich and powerful to prosecute each other for hiring illegals by the truckload, so it's not going to happen.

>>1419578
>>1419575
Wouldn't that pretty much just create a giant Black market for slave labor with wages for slaves being driven continually lower to account for the risk of having said slave? The so-called slaves would still be present and would have to work for less and less wages if anyone were to hire them.

Better to just remove the source of slaves entirely, which is illegal immigration

>>1419579
>Better to just remove the source of slaves entirely, which is illegal immigration
Let's play Dummycrats and Dingleberries with this post.
>Roll a 20 sided die to determine the basis for the leftwangers
1-5 -Racist
6-10 -Fascist
7-15 -Fascist racist
-16-20 -Ad hom and attempting to falsely take the moral highground
Let's see what happens.

>>1419579
>guys we can't stop the guys who are getting the slaves, that'll just make them slave even harder
>we gotta punish the slaves for it
Even by your own logic you're a fucking retard.

>>1419579
There's already a black market, we call the people who bring them in coyotes. Sometimes they abandon them in the desert to die.

>>1419591
Wow that really sounds awful. Maybe we should stop illegal immigration so that doesn't happen

>>1419582
Looks like it landed on 16-20: >>1419583

>>1419593
no, anon, you're definitely a fucking retard

16-20 again, it looks like.

>>1419566
>immigrant to work a job

immigration suppresses wages

deport them all

your scab labor is going away

>Citizens didn't fill the void then

Anti labor propaganda

You are advocating for wage supression

eat shit you faggot scab

>>1419610
you're not american and your post formatting is unsettling

>>1419611
>no actual response

please go lay down in traffic you anti-labor faggot

wage suppression is a cornerstone leftist policy

>>1419613
you're really bad at shilling, but i doubt any shill could convince a sane person republicans give a fuck about labor rights. have you tried door dash?

>>1419303
Makes you wonder how those fucks won the last civil war.

>>1419615
i'm wondering why you haven't migrated to facebook yet

>>1419614
Advocating for infinite cheap imported scab labor is anti labor.

Immigration suppresses wages and leads to worse treatment of workers.

Unlimited mass immigration of cheap labor to keep wages down is a core leftist policy.

>>1419663
Reminder: It isn't scab labor if there's no strikes and no one does those jobs if they weren't there. We tried "deport all the immigrants! Citizens will take their place!" before. It failed miserably, resulted in 60 years of economic damage, and ironically showed that removing the immigrants actually causes citizens to take the jobs even less because the increased workload makes it even more unbearable.

>>1419666
>no strikes and no one does those jobs if they weren't there.
Pay a living wage, slaver. The wages are immorally low.

>>1419666
Scabs are also people who do the work for less money and worse working conditions.

>We did this before, no one wants those jobs!!

Pure anti labor bullshit, there is no shortage of labor or people willing to do 'those jobs'
Reducing labor supply increases wages and improves working conditions, employers having to pay higher wages is a good thing

I love how the leftist arguments are both 'this is slavery' and 'we need an underclass of laborers to keep wages low' while claiming to be pro labor

You people are fantastically stupid and evil

>>1419671
>Scabs are also people who do the work for less money and worse working conditions.
No. They aren't. And even arguing this is anti-labor.

>>1419672
Yes.
They are.
Scan does also carry the meaning in using.

Well how about I'll just use 'cheap labor' instead of scab?
But your definition of scab doesn't even matter.
Immigration suppresses wages and leads to worse working conditions.
You're advocating for lower wages and worse working conditions.
Please go lay down in traffic.

>>1419666
>removing the immigrants
ILLEGAL immigrants

>>1419682
>ILLEGAL immigrants
Next stop, the White House then. There's a woman who is an illegal immigrant there.
If Trumptards aren't willing to have that certain woman immediately thrown out of the US with no due process allowed, then not only does Trump's 'ICE' no longer have the right to so much as think of doing the same to anyone else. Trump's 'ICE' as an entity doesn't have the right to exist if they don't thow out said illegal immigrant woman Melania out of the White House immediately.

>>1419682
>ILLEGAL immigrants
Next stop, the White House then. There's a woman who is an illegal immigrant there.
If Trumptards aren't willing to have that certain woman immediately thrown out of the US with no due process allowed, then not only does Trump's 'ICE' no longer have the right to so much as think of doing the same to anyone else. Trump's 'ICE' as an entity doesn't have the right to exist if they don't throw out said illegal immigrant woman Melania out of the US immediately.

>>1419685
>words words words strawman

>>1419684
>There's a woman who is an illegal immigrant there.
Who?

>>1419686
Yeah pretty much

>>1419686
>>1419688
Get a room you two

>>1419672
This post is also an interesting glimpse into the leftist mindset.
Leftists have no guiding principles or morals beyond exerting power over others.
In this case it's trying to shame and control the vocabulary of another instead of actually engaging with what they are saying.

>>1419697
cool shilling bro

>>1419697
>In this case it's trying to shame and control the vocabulary of another instead of actually engaging with what they are saying.
What you are saying is a word means something it doesn't and workers should be hostile toward one another instead of working together to get better outcomes.

And you should eat a bag of dicks for that. Working for less than someone else doesn't make you a scab. Undercutting union wages makes you a scab. If the business isn't unionized or the person working for less isn't union, they aren't a fucking scab.

You also defended reducing the labor supply, you cocksucker. That shouldn't be an end goal for unions, especially when unskilled labor unions are a thing. You use collective bargaining to restrict the labor supply and push for initiatives that create job opportunities instead.

>>1419698
Shouting down dissenting opinions as shilling is a tactic used to create a false consensus
Feel free to actually engage with what people are saying
But you won't because you have no actual arguments

>>1419699
>defended reducing the labor supply,

Demand outpacing supply is the only way wages and working conditions improve

Your imported cheap labor lowers wages for union and non union workers

You're advocating for wage suppression and any union advocating for importing cheap scabs is a scam and just a tool to funnel workers wages to politically connected goons

You are working against the working class while trying to achieve some sort of moral high ground

Labor follows supply and demand like any other commodity, you're you're advocating for the government to use immigration to manipulate market forces against the working class

Eat shit you fucking scab

>>1419682
Stop taking away legal status then retard. Trump's already done it for thousands, and that's not even counting how many people ICE snatched up who were literally on their way to green card hearings or just leaving them.

>>1419671
>Pure anti labor bullshit, there is no shortage of labor or people willing to do 'those jobs'
SEE. HISTORY.
>https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/2024-10/Impact%20of%20Chinese%20Exclusion%20-%20Tabellini.pdf
>Our analysis begins by examining the labor supply. We focus on men, who constitute 96% of Chinese in our sample. We find that the Act reduced the Chinese labor supply by 64%. The reduction occurred for skilled and unskilled workers. For white workers, who were the intended beneficiaries of the Act and accounted for 92% of the 1880 population in our sample, we also find negative effects. The Chinese Exclusion Act reduced the white male labor supply by 28% and lowered white occupational income scores.

>>1419697
This is also an interesting glimpse into the rightist mindset.
Rightists have no guiding principles or morals beyond exerting power over others or they wouldn't have allowed Trump to politically exist

>>1419697
Accurate

>>1419703
>Thus, the negative estimates should be interpreted as a
slowdown in growth and not as a decline in levels.

Pure anti labor, wage suppression bullshit

Labor follows supply and demand like anything else.

Businesses competing for labor is the only way working conditions and wages improve. This is why Henry Ford starting paying his workers well and started the forty hour work week.

Please go lay down in traffic scab

>>1419704
I support things that increase the value of labor, that hasn't changed one bit

You're twisting in pretzels to try and stay on some sort of high horse to shout down at others from while advocating for wage suppression

Please eat shit scab

>>1419707
>Labor follows supply and demand like anything else.
This is literally showing it didn't. Citizens didn't replace the immigrants who left; hell, it even caused less citizens to work those jobs. The reality is people who could have other options do not want to do hard labor jobs. You cannot conjure up a working class for those jobs out of thin air once you deport the one that existed purely to fill that niche.

>>1419708
Its funny that you're retardedly shouting down people advocating for immigrants to receive the same high wage americans do
keep being deliberately retarded pretending to be pretend retarded, its a good way to go through life

>>1419710
Your study is based on estimates and the declines are just slower growth, like I pointed out. The introduction of the study even says this.
Paying higher wages slows down growth to these people.
The jobs were filled and production carried on at higher expenses.

Labor follows supply and demand, your study is just anti labor spin based on estimates and an underlying assumption that labor is an expense to keep as low as possible.

Please eat shit you fucking scab.

>>1419711
You're advocating for more cheap labor which lowers wages for everyone

Nice try at the spin though

Labor is a commodity that follows laws of supply and demand and the core driving leftist policy is to increase the supply to keep wages low

That affects everyone

Your scabs have to go
Wages and working conditions will improve

>Just offer wages that an American would work in the fields for, and pay Mexican immigrants that if farmers can't find Americans.
>>wHy Do YoU wAnT tO lOwEr WaGeS?
Shill is desperately trying to justify their racism and desire to deport brown people

>>1419717
>Just offer wages that an American would work in the fields for
You don't understand how insane this statement is
The profit margins for farming are so low that if farmers gave their american workers a livable wage, then they would go out of business. This is because American farms compete with international markets.
For every acre of crop you sow and harvest, China does more, faster, using slave labor. So in order to remain competitive Americans use slave labor too.
The answer to this problem is protecting our domestic markets with tariffs. That way there would be less supply, more demand, farmers could make more money and laborers could make more too.

>>1419714
>guys it was just slowed growth estimated to have resulted in 60 years of economic downturn and negatively affected everyone in the west coast

>The jobs were filled
they weren't you fucking retard.

>>1419718
>guys, if we make less food then people will have to spend more to make it and farmers will make more money
>starvation? people dying? thats just a cost we'll need to pay for farmers to make more money
cool shilling, retard
By that same logic you can increase the money other internet shills earn by killing yourself.
Why do you hate all your co workers? Do it faggot

>>1419720
>UHHH WHATTABOUT STARVATION?
Are you actually fucking stupid? We produce so much food that the government literally pays farmers to throw it away.
God, you're a fucking idiot. Jesus christ.

>>1419721
>We produce so much food that the government literally pays farmers to throw it away.
No retard, farmers grow food for orders that get cancelled because of Trump's bullshit, and then the government has to compensate them so they don't go bust and start a famine. Everyone loses money when this happens.

>>1419719
They industry in that area still grew retard

The jobs were filled and the work was done and they still grew.

There conclusions were from cherry picking and extrapolating the conclusion they wanted.

You should do more than glance at the abstract when you post things

>Thus, the negative estimates should be interpreted as a
slowdown in growth and not as a decline in levels.

Right from the intro.
These studies see higher wages as a negative.

You're advocating against the American working class but mass immigration is a leftist cause you feel like you can take a high horse over. Thus, reality and loyalty go right out the window.

Again, labor is a commodity line anything else. It follows supply and demand.
You're wanting businesses to have access to infinite cheap labor while trying to make some half hearted case of supporting the working class.

Wages have been stagnated for decades due to immigration and outsourcing, and lefting policy has both of these things as sacred cows.

>>1419723
>farmers grow food for orders
I am a farmer, dickhead. I complete with foreign markets every summer. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>1419718
Americans used to work harvests as summer jobs.
My town has a pickle factory and used to hire tons of high school kids every year to work the fields and plant.
Kids would save for cars and college.
They don't do that anymore because of the influx of cheap foreign labor.
I used to cut sugar cane growing up.
Americans used to do those jobs, many still do.

>>1419726
I made money for my lacross team planting rows, and I did charity work for our local fire dept harvesting plants too.
It's actually really fun. The hardest part is staying hydrated. There's 2~ weeks of backbreaking labor during seed and harvest, but after that you mostly just sit on your ass watching grass grow.

>>1419726
I used to grow pickles too.
It was great watching the pickle plants grow high, my friends and I would sneak into the field to shuck a pickle and eat them raw.
We'd pick a bunch for pocket money and blow it on malts and arcade games down at the local soda shop.
Americans want to work the fields, they just can't because trannies force immigrant labor to work for no money. We need to kick them out so we can make americans farm again.

>>1419724
Economic output slowed until World War 2 you fucking retard. We shot our output in the foot for 60 years.

>>1419726
>>1419727
>>1419728
Nice one person larp.

>>1419728
>Those are called cucumbers

>>1419730
Not larping, I grew up in a farming town. My mom's side of the family has farmed for almost 150 years.
I've done apples, blueberries, sugarcane at my father's in KY, bailed hay. I've worked 'those jobs' my entire life.
>>1419729
In one region where the "reduction" was a slow down in growth. These types studies only measure raw revenues and profits to gauge growth, and higher wages hurt this and are thusly bad.
The output increased, their orders were filled, and they still grew.

Again, that study you linked even says the reductions were just slowed growth, not actual reduction.

If higher wages and better treatment of employees mean the owner makes less profit then that is fine.

>>1419701
>Demand outpacing supply is the only way wages and working conditions improve
And approaching that problem as a supply side issue other than via collective bargaining is anti-labor.

When there isn't enough demand, the solution is to boost demand, not cut supply.

Supply side economics is trash and anti-worker. Always has been. Always will be. Fuck off.

>>1419733
>Those are called cucumbers
nah, straight pickle farming
you seem like the kind of faggot who shucked a lot of pickles in their youth

>>1419708
'Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history'
That quote is by someone during a time when the highest tax rate was 91%, yet during that time so many people voted - twice - for the one who made that quote
>scab
That same someone ensured a scab pulled itself off thus destroying itself whilst said someone who was voted in twice - and who made the above quote - didn't need to do anything to destroy that carbuncle on the face of American society.
It's going to be quite the shock to you when you use that above quote to search, thus discover who said someone was who said that. - and who voted for that someone twice - certainly the letter after their name.
Trump was already inferior to that someone during that orange mutant's first adminifrustration.
The one who made the above quote had infinitely more guiding principles & morals than you or Trump ever will and so many allowed that someone to politically exist

>>1419738
10th time you've said that according to archives. It's like you are repeating biblical verses predicting the end of times

>>1419734
Imported foreign labor hurts collective bargaining

You're the one advocating for wage suppression.

You're the one pushing for supply to always outpace demand.

Importing cheap labor hurts wages for union and non union workers.

Immigration has been the leftist core policy because it suppresses wages, which is what you're advocating for.

You have literally zero idea what your talking about.

Market forces improve working conditions and wages more than any union ever could.

Labor demand outpacing the supply gives unions MORE bargaining power as well as the individual worker.

You're advocating for unions and individuals to have less bargaining power while trying to do mental gymnastics to obscure this

You people are dangerously retarded

>>1419733
No one believes your tranny ass has ever done any hard work or else you wouldn't be advocating for slavery with falicious arguments

>>1419738
>Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history'

Not relevant.
You're advocating for wage suppression and trying to use any possible angles to do so.

You are advocating for wage suppression and a race to the bottom for the working class.

Climb down from your high horse.

>>1419744
How am I advocating for slavery?
Labor being more valuable is the opposite of slavery

>>1419697
>Leftists have no guiding principles or morals beyond exerting power over others.
>>1419745
And you never had a Shetland pony to get on to exert your moral/principles superiority over anyone else.
Now who has the superior morals & guiding principles, Trump or the one who made that quote? And what was the letter after that someone's name: 'D' or 'R'? Apparently the letter after Trump is 'R' but you wouldn't think so considering all those who voted twice for the someone who made that quote.
What letter was after that someone's name: 'D' or 'R'? Others can wait, but can you, when it comes to you thinking that your opinions aren't wrong? That someone thought otherwise and so many voted for him twice, so those voters' opinions could never be wrong.

>>1419742
>baaaawwww, its labors fault that capitalist pigs import foreign labor so they don't have to pay as much
>no, we can't regulate those greedy fucks at all because they're our donors, so we need you to blame labor
>enjoy working in the fields for minimum wage
keep licking the boot, shill

>>1419748
Now you've completely lost the plot

You're advocating for business to have unlimited cheap foreign labor
This suppresses wages

You're advocating for business while calling others a bootlicker

>Working fields

Those jobs will pay more without access to cheap foreign labor

Market forces raise wages and improve working conditions more than anything

That is why you're guiding core policy is to weird them against the working class to suppression wages

You have literally no clue

>>1419747
Irrelevant because you're advocating for wage suppression
I'm advocating for labor to be more valuable

>>1419746
>How am I advocating for slavery?
Imagine you're a native mexican citizen. You and your family are being threatened by local gangs, you make shit money, and every day is just getting worse.
You save up 24 months of wages to pay a coyote the peso equivalent of several thousand dollars to help you and your family get over the border. It's a few thousand for you only, but he's willing to cut you a deal.
Halfway through the journey, as you're trekking through the desert, the coyote demands your daughter suck his dick or he's going to kill you + your family. With no options available to you, she does it.
After evading border patrol, you arrive in America, and you reach out to a 'humanitarian organization' which gets you in contact with a 'labor contractor' who says he's willing to pay you a monthly salary to do backbreaking work in the sun. You run the numbers and, with the help of a stolen SSN and the welfare programs in America, you and your family can afford to live a normal life.
But before the end of the month, the 'contractor' reports you to ICE.

>>1419749
>refusing to admit who that someone who made that quote and what letter was after his name, thus the section of the US electirate who voted for that someone: twice
I advocate for the someone who made that quote becase their morals & guiding principles will always be more than infinitely superior to all other presidents who had/have the same letter after their names as that someone did.
You advocate for the most inferior of all presidents with the same letter after that someone's therefore you're irrelevant and all your opinions go into the trash. After all: those who voted for that someone twice would more than justifiably refer to you as the scab for not having the same morals & guiding principles as that superior president they voted for: twice.
Now what letter was after that someone's name: 'D' or 'R'?

>>1419749
Oh, its just a broken chatbot
the shill isn't even shilling themselves anymore

>>1419750
If they are able to save two years of wages, they are doing better than most American working class families.
Securing the border and enforcing laws prevents your scenario from happening.
You're advocating for wage suppression and using emotional bait to do so.
You are the ones guilty for these types of things happening by not securing the border and encouraging people to come.
That is all on you my friend.
>>1419751
Trump's policies increase the value of labor. He's walking the walk Bernie from ten years ago talked about.
Your posts are irrelevant because you're making them under the guise of advocating for reducing the value of labor and hurting the working class

>>1419754
Not an argument, you're back to trying to create a false consensus

>>1419755
>by not securing the border and encouraging people to come.
Where does this meme come from? Who was the last president to have an unsecured border? I think it was Herbert Hoover.

>>1419755
You're just lying and trying to reframe everything into your shitty shill arguments.

>>1419756
It's not a meme
Biden admin let is an unprecedented amount of people
During the Democrat primary every single candidate raised their hands in support of illegals getting free healthcare.
Go look up the chart Trump was showing right before the assassination attempt.
Biden admin had border patrol welding open gates, using forklifts to lift fences, went into private property to cut locks. All to let in a flood of people.
You're being willfully ignorant as a form of argument.

Leftist open border policy created a human trafficking industry.

>>1419757

You've resorted to name calling instead of addressing what I'm saying.

I'm not lying or shilling, I'm handily refuting all of the wage suppression and anti labor arguments you people are throwing out

>>1419685
>Melania
Why do you keep bringing her up? She is the spouse of a US Citizen and eligible for spousal visa and they can then apply for permanent residency and the citizenship process.

Anyways I don't understand why you bring her up because your argument is factually incorrect and displays a willful ignorance or malicious lying.

Heritage.org isn't sending their best.

>>1419702
>taking away legal status
Their status was "illegally entered US, pending disposition"

If you committed a crime your legal status would be accused of a crime.

>>1419759
cool republican talking points, gramps.

>>1419760
Weird, because you're the one making anti labor and wage suppression arguments.

>>1419765
>No you

Labor is supply and demand like anything else.
You're advocating for increasing the supply to suppress wages and worsen working conditions.

>>1419764
I'd post the chart but I can't here and you're not refuting anything I'm saying

Just insults and emotional pleas from the self titled facts and logic crowd

>>1419771
>wanting to post charts on /news/
I don't think you get the point of this board.

>>1419772
I literally said that I can't here but cool post
Listening works better when you use your ears instead of your mouth

I love how much damage control Democrats have to do to get us off the fact that illegal minor children are working at a weed farm.

>>1419774
right? they should all be in republicans basement getting raped.
GOP is the party of Epstein defenders and pedophiles

>>1419775
You are defending child slavery

>>1419776
nope, but thanks for trying
you're getting in your shillposts today

>>1419777
>How will the economy function if we don't let illegal immigrant children work the fields

>>1419778
This but unironically

>>1419774
>every poster I don't like is automatically a democrat
Brain rot

>>1419755
So what as the letter after the name of that someone - with more than infinitely superior morals & guiding principles than Trump will ever have - who made that quote: 'D' or 'R'?

>>1419755
So what was the letter after the name of that someone - with more than infinitely superior morals & guiding principles than Trump will ever have - who made that quote: 'D' or 'R'?

>>1419778
>how can i have sex with immigrant children when my shill masters tell me that democrats want to force immigrant children to work the fields

>>1419778
>How will the economy function if we toss immigrant children into a swamp prison before deporting them to an African warzone?

>>1419742
>Imported foreign labor hurts collective bargaining
Not when the foreign labor joins unions. More workers doesn't hurt collective bargaining. It helps it.

To say nothing of how immigrants vote. The biggest threat to labor is fucking Republicans.

>Market forces improve working conditions and wages more than any union ever could.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1419787
Its all about framing the conversation so no one ever considers getting rid of the leeches
Its why the shills hate Luigi so much, he cut through the bullshit and killed someone who directly stole tens of millions of dollars of healthcare money from Americans

>>1419787
>Not when the foreign labor joins unions
You're so fucking stupid. H1b, h2b, other guest workers and illegal aliens are employed at will of the employer and are easily replaced. They have no bargaining power because they are even more replacable than a local citizen that cares about the cost of rent.

>>1419792
So you agree they should be allowed to join unions and gain protections.

>>1419794
Don't point out the problem is public policy and not labor. They might short-circuit.

>>1419794
Illegals and guest workers don't unionize. They could unionize, but they already know they'll just get replaced. Also unions are nonviable for everything except public school teachers who pay into a union that provides no benefit and just pays DC lobbyists and their pet "charities"

>>1419810
>They could unionize, but they already know they'll just get replaced
Its weird that you somehow simultaneously believe that unions are worthless and steal money for DC lobbyists, but they're also so wanted that companies need to threaten guest workers with deportation if they join.
You'd think if they were that useless you wouldn't need to discourage people from joining the union
But then again, you're not thinking logically because you're a retarded shill

>>1419784
I love how your mind went from economics to kiddie fucking. Typical democrat behavior.

>>1419828
>notable democrat Donald Trump covered up Epsteins client list
you learn something new from shills every day

>>1419755
>You are the ones guilty for these types of things happening by not securing the border and encouraging people to come.
..who do you think owns the farms along the border? Who do you think is using all these Christian charities to create an underground network of human smuggling?

Republicans.

>>1419833
More to the point, the main thing that depresses the wages of immigrants is lack of legal status. If we just had open borders so that they were competing on an even foothold with other Americans, it'd be far less of an issue. Doubly so if they could unionize.

>>1419834
sounds like a lot of burden on the exploitive businessowner though
guess we have no choice except to keep supporting their corrupted system for bribes and waste taxpayer dollars helping them deport any cheap foreign labor that tries to ask for what they're worth

>>1419759
>Biden admin let is an unprecedented amount of people
And Obama deported more people than Trump has: or ever will. Your point?

>>1419894
Trump still has 3.5 years left in office

>>1419900
If he doesn't get impeached for covering up a trans-national pedophile cult first, sure.

>>1419900
And Trump has 2.5 years of being a politically impotent piece of whale flop after the midterms. Whale flop would have more political power after so many financially suffering/'I didn't vote for this' Republicans get their revenge on that orange subhuman next year.

>>1419833
>Republicans want cheap farm labor from illegals instead of paying a fair wage to citizens
>... so they vote in a man who runs on getting rid of all illegals forcing them to hire citizens and pay more for workers
Makes sense.

>>1419948
And guess who never goes after the people actually running these places? Guess who keeps floating the idea of letting farmers basically keep immigrants as slaves they can hang the threat of deportation over their entire lives?

>>1419969
>And guess who never goes after the people actually running these places
Biden, i suppose, since the DHS launched a criminal investigation against Glass House for labor violations

>>1419969
This thread is about ice raiding a farm retard

>Threat of deportation

Don't come here illegally
Problem solved

Your cheap labor is going away and labor costs are going to go up

>>1419894
Obama counted people turned away at the border as deportations

Biden opened the floodgates to unprecedented levels never before seen

>>1419834
That isn't how that works at all retard

Labor is supply and demand

Increased supply lowers wages for everyone

Opening the borders would lower wages not raise them

>>1419774
>it's horrible that these underage children are working at our farms
>we need to send them back to their home countries so they can work the farms there, for even less money

People only really have a problem with immigrants when they're taking the white-collar jobs. That's why Trump is already bleeding support because of his raids on restaurants and 7/11s while parties essentially promising a jihad against Indian tech workers are still doing great in the UK and Canada

>>1419302
Well that's where the gators come in you don't need to dump them anywhere.
>>1419314
This fag call it an 'extermination camp'. I call it a noble conservation effort to invigorate the wetlands.
GLM Gator Lives Matter