Trumps orders Zelensky to bring Russia to its knees. Commands Zelensky to strike Moscow and st Petersburg
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Donald Trump asked Volodymyr Zelenskyy if Ukraine could hit Moscow, say people briefed on call
US president encouraged Ukrainian leader to step up deep strikes on Russia
Donald Trump has privately encouraged Ukraine to step up deep strikes on Russian territory, even asking Volodymyr Zelenskyy whether he could strike Moscow if the US provided long-range weapons, according to people briefed on the discussions.
The conversation, which took place during the July 4 call between the leaders of US and Ukraine, marks a sharp departure from Trump’s previous stance on Russia’s war and his campaign promise to end US involvement in foreign conflicts.
While it remains unclear whether Washington will deliver such weapons, the discussion underscores Trump’s deepening frustration with Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s refusal to engage in ceasefire talks proposed by the US president, who once vowed to resolve the war in a day.
The conversation with Zelenskyy on July 4 was precipitated by Trump’s call with Putin a day earlier, which the US president described as “bad”.
Two people familiar with the conversation between Trump and Zelenskyy said the US president had asked his Ukrainian counterpart whether he could hit military targets deep inside Russia if he provided weapons capable of doing so.
“Volodymyr, can you hit Moscow?...Can you hit St Petersburg too?” Trump asked on the call, according to the people.
They said Zelenskyy replied: “Absolutely. We can if you give us the weapons.”
Trump signalled his backing for the idea, describing the strategy as intended to “make them [Russians] feel the pain” and force the Kremlin to the negotiating table, said the two people briefed on the call.

A western official, who had been informed of the call, said the conversation reflected a growing desire among Ukraine’s western partners to supply long-range weapons capable of “bringing the war to Muscovites” — a sentiment echoed privately by American officials in recent weeks.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment on Trump’s July 4 call with Zelenskyy.
But speaking to reporters as he left the White House on Tuesday, Trump said Zelenskyy “shouldn’t target Moscow”. He also said the US is “not looking” to supply long-range missiles to Kyiv.
Trump added tariffs and sanctions would be applied to Russia if a peace deal was not reached in 50 days.
He said: “We’re going to see what happens with President Putin. So far, I have been very disappointed with President Putin. I have solved a lot of wars in the last three months, but I haven’t got this one yet. This is a Biden war, it’s not a Trump war. I am here to try and get us out of that mess.”
Ukraine’s presidential office did not respond to requests for comment.
The discussion between Trump and Zelenskyy led to a list of potential weapons for Kyiv being shared by the US side with the Ukrainian president in Rome last week, said three people with knowledge of it.
During a meeting with US defence officials and intermediaries from Nato governments, Zelenskyy received a list of long-range strike systems that potentially could be made available to Ukraine via third-party transfers.
The arrangement would allow Trump to sidestep the need for Congressional approval on direct US military aid by authorising weapons sales to European allies, who would then pass the systems on to Kyiv.

During a meeting with US defence officials and intermediaries from Nato governments, Zelenskyy received a list of long-range strike systems that potentially could be made available to Ukraine via third-party transfers.
The arrangement would allow Trump to sidestep the need for Congressional approval on direct US military aid by authorising weapons sales to European allies, who would then pass the systems on to Kyiv.
The Ukrainians had asked for Tomahawk missiles, precision strike cruise missiles with a range of about 1,600km. But the Trump team — like Joe Biden’s administration — had concerns about Ukraine’s lack of restraint, said a person familiar with the list shared with Zelenskyy.
During a meeting in the Oval Office with Nato secretary-general Mark Rutte on Monday, Trump announced a plan to provide Ukraine with Patriot air defence systems and interceptor missiles but did not disclose any shipments of other weapons systems.
The US president said he was “very unhappy” with Russia and its president over the lack of progress towards a deal to end its war. “I’m disappointed in President [Vladimir] Putin, because I thought we would have had a deal two months ago.”
Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chair of Russia’s security council and a former stand-in president for Putin, shrugged off Trump’s decision. “Trump issued a theatrical ultimatum to the Kremlin...Russia didn’t care,” Medvedev wrote on X.
Two of the people briefed on the call between Trump and Zelenskyy and familiar with US-Ukraine discussions on military strategy said one weapon discussed was the Army Tactical Missile System, or Atacms.

Ukraine has used US-supplied Atacms missiles with a range of up to 300km (186 miles) to strike targets in Russian-occupied territory and, in some cases, deeper inside Russia. The Atacms can be launched from Himars rocket systems that the Biden administration delivered to Ukraine. But they do not fly far enough to reach Moscow or St Petersburg.
Russia has repeatedly threatened to attack western targets in response to western supplies of advanced weaponry to Ukraine, but has yet to do so.
After Ukraine first used the Atacms system to strike military targets inside Russian sovereign territory last November, Putin said the war had “taken on elements of a global nature” and responded by test-firing the Oreshnik, an experimental intermediate-range missile, on the city of Dnipro.
The Russian president said Moscow was entitled to “use our weaponry against military facilities of countries that allow their weapons to be used against our facilities, and in the case the aggressive action escalates, we will respond just as decisively and symmetrically”.
Following the Atacms strikes, Moscow also published an updated version of its nuclear doctrine that lowered the threshold for potential use. The changes could envision a Russian nuclear first strike against the US, UK and France — Nato’s three nuclear powers — in response to Ukraine’s strikes on Russia with weapons such as the Atacms and Storm Shadow missiles.
Washington has at times warned Ukraine off using them to strike deep inside Russia, but those constraints appear to be loosening now.
Ukraine has mostly used its own domestically-produced long-range drones to strike military targets deep inside Russia that help fuel its war machine.

>>1420517 (OP)
>P-Putin's p-p-puppet!

Incredibly disappointed President Trump. The MAGA Army voted for peace. Helping Ukraine continue it's genocidal actions against the Russian populace will only prolong the killing. Stop funding Ukraine now and LET THEM LOSE

>>1420531
Aren't you late for your next orange man bad thread, larper?

>>1420517 (OP)
yes

>>1420171 , now this: >>1420517 (OP)
Putintards & certain Trumptard ballglazers that voted for 'No More Foreign Wars' including not funding Zelenskyy, here's your 'Fell For It Again' award. Also your complimentary rope, now Putinbots & cultists are now on suicide watch.
Trump's pro-Ukraine now, and there's nothing you can personally do about it. Good

>>1420532
Low information troon post

>>1420531
>>1420535
are the low-T troons cucked by Trump This is you on the left:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY

>>1420536
>Rudy Giuliani dressed funny in a television comedy skit
You people are absolutely unhinged

>>1420539
>You people are absolutely unhinged
You should stop talking about yourselves, cultists.

>>1420544
I don't obsess over how people were dressed in a televised comedy skit from the 90s, that's you

>>1420548
>>1420535
>troon
The only obsessed ones here are you cultists. But the deflection attempt can't change reality, though: >>1420171 >>1420517 (OP)
Trump supports Ukraine. You either agree with your cult leader or in so much as thinking he's wrong in doing so, you're traitors to Trump. Choose wisely.

>>1420551
>troon
I never said that and you are obsessed. If you want to act all unhinged on people who did use that term as an insult, reply to them, not me

>>1420557
Again, nice deflection, but that's irrelevant to the simple but impossible to avoid fact here in this thread & the subject of such: Trump supports Ukraine. Thus you Trump voters (>>1420540 >President Trump is 100% right, per usual) either agree with your cult leader or if you so much as think he's wrong in doing so, you're traitors to Trump. Choose wisely.

>>1420561
>Thus you Trump voters
I didn't vote for Trump you unhinged whackjob

>>1420569
You voted for Trump and now you're angry about it.

>>1420573
You have no idea what you are talking about. You construct your own fantasies to reinforce your biases and project them onto others.

>>1420569
There you go again with the deflections. So either Trump is always right, certainly with his supporting Ukraine militarily, or Trump should be made politically impotent in the midterms next year and like the Teabaggers/Teatards after Romney's defeat in 2012, MAGA ceases to exist - even as a so-called 'idea' - after the cultists' leader takes that last trip on Marine One in early 2029. Choose wisely.

>>1420575
You are unhinged. Why can't you just have a normal conversation

>>1420574
You wouldn't be this mad unless Anon's post hit you where it hurts.

>>1420585
>You are unhinged. Why can't you just have a normal conversation
There's the deflections again. With the subject matter in this thread & the OP - and anyone else being supposedly 'unhinged' is irrelevant - Trump is supporting Ukraine. Is he right or wrong? Choose wisely.

>>1420588
Why can't you just have a normal conversation without being unhinged?
Is trump "right" or "wrong"? That doesn't even make sense, he's taking an action not answering a question.

I think trump is fully justified in this. Came much too late I believe too. I can understand his desire to try to broker a peace deal first, but this should have came months ago after trump gave them a chance for peace and the next day Russia kept bombing Ukraine.

>>1420594
So is Trump right in sending missiles to Ukraine? Yes or No.
He's doing so, anyway. Certainly long range missiles that'll reach Moscow. Is Trump right in doing so? Yes or No.
They're simple questions with simpler answers. Simple questiona that anyone else would see as being a normal conversation: they would answer Yes or No. It's impossible for these questions to be 'unhinged'.
Seems the only one not having a normal sane conversation is you when you can't give just a Yes or No answer. My answer to both is Yes. So what's your excuse for not giving the simpler answer Yes or No to both of the above simple questions. It's a normal conversation. Who are you to say it isn't?

>>1420596
Please stop acting so unhinged and just post like a normal person

>>1420596
Also, try reading my post for once, I answered all your dumb questions. Maybe if you try not being unhinged for a moment you could try reading my post and see that you can ive answered your questions.

>>1420596
Also, try reading my post for once, I answered all your dumb questions. Maybe if you try not being unhinged for a moment you could try reading my post and see that ive answered your questions

>>1420528
LMAO this times 10,000. How many fucking times... For years... YEARS... the left was going on about Trump "Making Russia Great Again" - even as he was drone striking Russians, which
A) should've started a fucking war
and
B) no other president has ever done before
And now he's telling Ukraine, a country Russia is at war with, to strike Moscow?

God I cannot wait to hear the cope from the left on this one.

>>1420609
>>1420611
>>1420569
>>1420573
>You voted for Trump and now you're angry about it.
>>1420347
>I'm genuinely curious, why someone (rational) would root for Ukraine's defeat unless they're living in Russia or China or something.
>A world in which Russia wins (whatever that definition of victory might look like) is a worse place for just about most nations since it promotes more wars of aggression for landgrabs as the new status-quo.
>I get it if you're an American who thinks Europe should bear the brunt of the cost, which as a Europen I agree with, but straight up wanting Russia to win is pretty short sighted
>>1420478
>I think it's ridiculous that we're helping an Israeli-backed nation commit suicide against Russia. I would prefer it if Russia + Ukraine made peace but Trump is being held hostage by Epstein shit so he'll go along with whatever the Israeli's want
>>1420531
>Incredibly disappointed President Trump. The MAGA Army voted for peace. Helping Ukraine continue it's genocidal actions against the Russian populace will only prolong the killing. Stop funding Ukraine now and LET THEM LOSE
You people are absolutely unhinged

>>1420614
you're literally never going to be american or respected for your opinions

We live in a society where a pipsqueak KGB officer thinks it has the right to have ideas above its station and invades a country it never had the right to so much as look at in the first place. An American give the leader of that invaded country missiles not only to protect his invaded people but to strike back against that invader for the crime of not having the right to be there in the first place. so the thing that thinks it has the right to have ideas above its station gets what it fucking deserves.

>>1420609
>Please stop acting so unhinged and just post like a normal person
>>1420615
>you're literally never going to be american or respected for your opinions
QED.

>>1420614
Good Lord you are unhinged

>>1420612
Good post

The only things unhinged in this thread are those who don't like what's in the OP article.
Trump wants Ukraine to win against Russia and is giving Zelenskyy the tools to do so >>1420171
>US president encouraged Ukrainian leader to step up deep strikes on Russia
Donald Trump has privately encouraged Ukraine to step up deep strikes on Russian territory, even asking Volodymyr Zelenskyy whether he could strike Moscow if the US provided long-range weapons, according to people briefed on the discussions.
>>1420531
>Incredibly disappointed President Trump. The MAGA Army voted for peace. Helping Ukraine continue it's genocidal actions against the Russian populace will only prolong the killing. Stop funding Ukraine now and LET THEM LOSE
Reality doesn't care about your feelings. Good

>>1420612
>>1420628
Get a room you two

Trumps got the balls to do what feeble Biden could not. He's not even giving the weapons away as charity either

>>1420531
>genocidal
Dear God this word keeps getting thrown around a lot. It's like the word "nazi", just toss it at everything you don't like whether it makes sense or not.

Notice how Ivan keeps seething ITT.

>>1420517 (OP)
Thank you MR PRESIDENT Donald J Trump!

tRump the 1st, mad ruler of ashes and purveyor of destruction as far as his eyes can see.

>>1420661
And he has now joined forces with Zelensky the Mad, Ruler of Ashes, and the First of His Name!
Putin the Feeble stands no chance!

>>1420517 (OP)
watch the far-left tds patients suddenly become pro-russia now.

>>1420713
Only the hardcore Tankies.
Trump referred to as a 'Teriffic Guy' Conservative PM Boris Johnson - with just a 80 seat majority - who supported Ukraine, certainly militarily. Trump recently wanted a deal with the current PM Keir Starmer. As the latter has a 400+ seat majority, so many voted for the leader of the center-left Labour Party now in power. None of those voters are protesting about Starmer sending Storm Shadow missiles for Ukraine to use against Russia, so there are infinitely more who are anti-Russia.

>>1420713
>>1420768
Where do you people go where you see 'hard core tankies' becoming pro-Russia because Trump is arming Ukraine?

>>1420713
Huh?

He said he would end the war in his first week. Went through the theater of having zelensky bend the knee. His whole plan was basically just to ask them to get along. Putin blew him off completely. Now he's just doing the same thing Biden was doing. Does not seem like a trump W here to me

>>1420517 (OP)
Too bad it's a bit of a nothing burger.
Sanctions on Russia do have an effect, but they won't deter them from continuing the war for a long time. I have my doubts anything significant will happen after the 50 day ultimatum is over. The US isn't interested in donating weapons to Ukraine, Trump just declared he is now okay with people buying their weapons to support Ukraine, putting the US in the same tier of supporters as India.
This isn't bad news, but it's not the great news it's made out to be either.

>>1420614
Oh hey. I'm >>1420347
Would you mind answering the question?

>>1420616
Alright, here are your pills, sir.

>Alright, here are your pills, sir.
...said to Putin that answers the question every second Russians exist in Ukraine, and why Vlad needs those pills for his retardation.