A U.S. Army veteran who was arrested during an immigration raid at a Southern California marijuana farm last week said Wednesday he was sprayed with tear gas and pepper spray before being dragged from his vehicle and pinned down by federal agents who arrested him.

George Retes, 25, who works as a security guard at Glass House Farms in Camarillo, said he was arriving at work on July 10 when several federal agents surrounded his car and — despite him identifying himself as a U.S. citizen — broke his window, peppered sprayed him and dragged him out.

“It took two officers to nail my back and then one on my neck to arrest me even though my hands were already behind my back,” Retes said.

The Ventura City native was detained during chaotic raids at two Southern California farms where federal authorities arrested more than 360 people, one of the largest operations since President Donald Trump took office in January. Protesters faced off against federal agents in military-style gear, and one farmworker died after falling from a greenhouse roof.

The raids came more than a month into an extended immigration crackdown by the Trump administration across Southern California that was originally centered in Los Angeles, where local officials say the federal actions are spreading fear in immigrant communities.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom spoke on the raids at a news conference Wednesday, calling Trump a “chaos agent” who has incited violence and spread fear in communities.

>https://www.militarytimes.com/veterans/2025/07/17/veteran-and-us-citizen-arrested-by-ice-warns-it-could-happen-to-anyone/

>>1420957 (OP)
“You got someone who dropped 30 feet because they were scared to death and lost their life,” he said, referring to the farmworker who died in the raids. “People are quite literally disappearing with no due process, no rights.”

Retes was taken to the Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown Los Angeles, where he said he was put in a special cell on suicide watch and checked on each day after he became emotionally distraught over his ordeal and missing his 3-year-old daughter’s birthday party Saturday.

He said federal agents never told him why he was arrested or allowed him to contact a lawyer or his family during his three-day detention. Authorities never let him shower or change clothes despite being covered in tear gas and pepper spray, Retes said, adding that his hands burned throughout the first night he spent in custody.

On Sunday, an officer had him sign a paper and walked him out of the detention center. He said he was told he faced no charges.

“They gave me nothing I could wrap my head around,” Retes said, explaining that he was met with silence on his way out when he asked about being “locked up for three days with no reason and no charges.”

Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, confirmed Retes’ arrest but didn’t say on what charges.

“George Retes was arrested and has been released,” she said. “He has not been charged. The U.S. Attorney’s Office is reviewing his case, along with dozens of others, for potential federal charges related to the execution of the federal search warrant in Camarillo.”

A federal judge on Friday ordered the Trump administration to halt indiscriminate immigration stops and arrests without warrants in seven California counties, including Los Angeles. Immigrant advocates accused federal agents of detaining people because they looked Latino. The Justice Department appealed on Monday and asked for the order to be stayed.

>>1420958
The Pentagon also said Tuesday it was ending the deployment of 2,000 National Guard troops in Los Angeles. That’s roughly half the number the administration sent to the city following protests over the immigration actions. Some of those troops have been accompanying federal agents during their immigration enforcement operations.

Retes said he joined the Army at 18 and served four years, including deploying to Iraq in 2019.

“I joined the service to help better myself,” he said. “I did it because I love this (expletive) country. We are one nation and no matter what, we should be together. All this separation and stuff between everyone is just the way it shouldn’t be.”

Retes said he plans to sue for wrongful detention.

“The way they’re going about this entire deportation process is completely wrong, chasing people who are just working, especially trying to feed everyone here in the U.S.,” he said. “No one deserves to be treated the way they treat people.”

Retes was detained along with California State University Channel Islands professor Jonathan Caravello, also a U.S. citizen, who was arrested for throwing a tear gas canister at law enforcement, U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli posted on X.

>>1420959
The California Faculty Association said Caravello was taken away by agents who did not identify themselves nor inform him of why he was being taken into custody. Like Retes, the association said the professor was then held without being allowed to contact his family or an attorney.

Caravello was attempting to dislodge a tear gas canister that was stuck underneath someone’s wheelchair, witnesses told KABC-TV, the ABC affiliate in Los Angeles.

A federal judge on Monday ordered Caravello to be released on $15,000 bond. He’s scheduled to be arraigned Aug. 1.

“I want everyone to know what happened. This doesn’t just affect one person,” Retes said. “It doesn’t matter if your skin is brown. It doesn’t matter if you’re white. It doesn’t matter if you’re a veteran or you serve this country. They don’t care. They’re just there to fill a quota.”

OTHER SOURCES:
>https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/19/us/california-immigration-raid-george-retes
>https://abc7.com/post/army-veteran-george-retes-plans-sue-detention-camarillo-raid/17164208/
>https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-army-vet-george-retes-shares-dire-warning-after-being-detained-by-ice/

>weed farm security
Oh no.

>>1420962
It's legal and no different from any other security job. Sorry you don't understand brutality on US citizens followed by being held without reason or ability to contact anyone is immoral.

>>1420957 (OP)
And the militias claiming to oppose the Day of the Jackboot say nothing. Hell, they're probably signing their ICE recruitment forms right now.

>>1420963
>It's legal
Not if he was harboring illegals.
Failing to report illegal immigrants is a crime.

>>1420968
Retard he wasn't the owner of the place, he was a security guard.
>HEY YOU SICK FUCK, YOU DIDN'T REPORT THAT WORKER YOU SEE MAYBE LIKE TWICE A WEEK FOR TWO MINUTES WAS HERE ILLEGALLY! YOU'RE BASICALLY A HUMAN TRAFFICKER!
>*beats you unconscious and smashes up your car*

>>1420969
>wasn't the owner
You don't get it.
"Harboring" also means concealing. If you see an illegal, and you fail to report it, you are committing a felony.
Also, google this guy. He looks 100% like an illegal immigrant.

>>1420970
history will remember you unkindly, fascist faggot

>>1420970
In case you aren't trolling and are 100% serious, even if that was the law it would be impossible to universally enforce, and laws that can only be selectively enforced are just excuses for fascists to arrest whomever they want.

>>1420970
Hey anon, that guy you saw on the side of the street once? He was here illegally. You're going to jail for harboring illegals.

>>1420970
>Also, google this guy. He looks 100% like an illegal immigrant.
So he looks brown. Meaning his arrest was racial profiling and thus, illegal.

>>1420972
>In case you aren't trolling and are 100% serious-
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324
Keyword is 'knowingly'. If he was a security guard, he knew.

>>1420971
>noooo you can't enforce immigration law that's fascism!
Neoconfederate scumfucks thinking they can skirt federal law and employ/hide illegals absolutely deserve to bite the curb.

>>1420975
How would he have known? Is he just supposed to be able to look at people and instantly clock their legal status?

>>1420978
>How would he have known?
I dunno anon, maybe it had something to do with hundreds of illegals working on the farm?

>>1420979
Yeah the hundreds of people with the sign on their back saying "ILLEGAL".

Hell, do we even know they really were "hundreds of illegals"? From this guy alone we know not everyone they arrested were even immigrants.

>>1420980
Yeah you're right there were hundreds of guys from management watching the one illegal immigrant work
Don't be retarded please

>>1420981
Just ignore the horde of protestors they also arrested you fucking retard.

>>1420957 (OP)
Racial profiling is ok when the secret police do it!

>>1420957 (OP)
In similar news, a survivor of the pinochet regime had his death faked by ICE to cover up how they disappeared him. They told his family he died when he actually got deported to Guatemala.
>https://www.mcall.com/2025/07/18/luis-leon-allentown-grandfather-ice-guatemala/
He was here legally, btw. But he'd lost his green card and got arrested and deported while trying to get a new one from the immigration office.

>>1420957 (OP)
>said he was arriving at work on July 10 when several federal agents surrounded his car and — despite him identifying himself as a U.S. citizen — broke his window, peppered sprayed him and dragged him out.
So in other words the police stopped him, he refused to identify himself, they told him to get out of his car, he refused, they had to break his window to open his car door, he was resisting, they had to pepper spray and cuff him. $50 that's what actually happened.

>>1420997
>he refused to identify himself
>despite him identifying himself as a U.S. citizen
Wow, it's really easy to pretend things are justified if you just make up a scenario where it would be and claim that's what actually happened.

>>1420998
>>despite him identifying himself as a U.S. citizen
Because that's all cops ask you when they pull you over, right? His story is full of holes. Until I see an actual video of the arrest I'm calling bullshit. My money is on him being a belligerent asshole to cops when stopped, refused to cooperate and won stupid prizes for playing stupid games - not to mention working as a security guard at a drug farm using child labor.

>>1421000
>Because that's all cops ask you when they pull you over, right?
Retard he wasn't arrested by cops, he was arrested by ICE. He pulled up to work while they were raiding his workplace.

>>1421000
do you get punched in the face a lot

>>1421000
>Until I see an actual video of the arrest I'm calling bullshit
You won't because ICE confiscated and destroyed almost all the videos taken during the raid. Probably to cover up how they killed someone during it considering one of the workers "just so happened" to fall 30 feet while they were raiding the place and died of his injuries in the hospital.

>>1421001
>Retard he wasn't arrested by cops, he was arrested by ICE.
Retard how the fuck do you know that? Were you there at the arrest to witness it? Or did you miss the part where he said “It took two officers" to arrest him? Also the part where "Retes was taken to the Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown Los Angeles"... which would be law enforcement.

>>1421004
>Retard how the fuck do you know that?

>U.S. Army veteran who was arrested during an immigration raid at a Southern California marijuana farm last week
>immigration raid

>>1421002
Nah, thankfully I didn't grow up with your father as a parent.

>>1421003
>You won't because ICE confiscated and destroyed almost all the videos taken during the raid.
[citation needed]

>>1421005
>there were no police at the raid working with ICE, like they usually are
>Dude just trust me. I know how they work.

>>1421006
i'd imagine the only reason you don't is because you're too much of a pussy act like this in public

>>1421008
I'd be more than happy to say it to your face if you're ever in Phoenix.

>>1421000
>My money is on him being a belligerent asshole to cops when stopped, refused to cooperate

He would be charged with resisting arrest if that's the case.

>>1421014
>He would be charged with resisting arrest if that's the case
Maybe you didn't read the article, but that's ok.
They arrested him, he was detained roughly the maximum allowable time someone can be federally detained without filing criminal charges, and then he was then released with a statement that the U.S. Attorney’s Office is reviewing his case for potential federal charges

>>1421015
>he was detained roughly the maximum allowable time someone can be federally detained without filing criminal charges
See the problem with this is California actually has specific laws specifying someone can only be held 48 hours without charges. Therefore what they did to him constitutes a crime in of itself.

>>1421016
>California
It was a federal arrest. He wasn't arranged by local law enforcement, dummy

>>1421016
>California actually has specific laws specifying someone can only be held 48 hours without charges
Oh hey, check this out, armchair lawyer.
Even assuming California law applies, it was still legal.
Ready to get btfo by FACTS?
His arrest was July 10, a Thursday. 48 hours afterwards would he sometime Saturday.
The law you are referencing appears to exclude weekend time as courts are not in session. They could have held him until Monday: https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/825/

>>1421023
Oh boy you really did just hang yourself.

First thing that sprung out.
>While defendants are in custody following an arrest, law enforcement officers must allow visits with defense attorneys. Officers who do not allow attorney visits can be charged with a misdemeanor plus a $500 fine payable to the defendant.
>He said federal agents never told him why he was arrested or allowed him to contact a lawyer or his family during his three-day detention

Secondly, you claim they could keep him for an extra 24 hours because courts aren't in session on weekends. Except that's not true and your own citation admits it; courts aren't in session on SUNDAYS. Saturdays are still valid. The 10th was a Thursday, so Saturday would've been the maximum time where 48 hours would've passed and they would've had to release him.
>The 48-hour period tolls (pauses) during court holidays and Sundays.
>Sundays

Nice try you armchair bootlicker.

>>1421021
Yeah even with that in play they still violated his rights by a. not allowing him to contact an attorney, b. never telling him why he was arrested in the first place, c. refusing to let him shower or change clothes despite the tear gas and pepper spray used on him, and d. racially profiling him considering he would've had easy proof he was a citizen otherwise, thus meaning they had no basis for the arrest either

There is no way they had reasonable suspicion to arrest a citizen for immigration offenses. Blatantly illegal arrest.

The standard for ICE arresting someone is supposed to be they have reason to believe they are illegal. Not that they don't have reason to believe they aren't.

>>1421032
>I didn't know they were illegals officer, all I knew is that none of them spoke english

>>1421030
So nice of you to not post the following sentence, you faggot
>(2) When the 48 hours prescribed by paragraph (1) expire at a time when the court in which the magistrate is sitting is not in session, that time shall be extended to include the duration of the next court session on the judicial day immediately following.
>court is in session on Saturdays
LMAO!
show me a single court in the US which regularly has Saturday sessions

>>1421034
Please point out the section of US law that requires that every person legally in this country speaks english as their primary language.

>>1421030
Your entire argument hinges on ignoring everything that you didn't paste from the penal code, and pretending that federal courts are active on Saturday

>>1421037
>>1421039
>The 48-hour period tolls (pauses) during court holidays and Sundays.
Funny, doesn't mention Saturdays for the time extension but DOES mention Sundays specifically.

Just accept you lost retard. You aren't even addressing the part (which also applies to federal court, btw) they have to give him access to an attorney if requested, which they did not.

>>1421030
I'm not surprised that your eyeballs explode when you read something that disagrees with your world view, it's why you selectively copied only a single sentence from the penal code cited in my source and ignored the entire subsequent section which excludes time when court is not in session.

And just to finish blowing you the fuck out and making your eyeballs sizzle, the local criminal court in Ventura country is Monday-Friday and so is every federal court https://www.ventura.courts.ca.gov/ https://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/locations

I don't know who the fuck is supposed to believe you when you say courts are open on Saturdays

>>1421040
>When the 48 hours prescribed by paragraph (1) expire at a time when the court in which the magistrate is sitting is not in session, that time shall be extended to include the duration of the next court session on the judicial day immediately following
What part of this do you not understand you retard?
Google translate it into Punjabi or whatever your home language is, rakesh

>>1421043
so you're indian

>>1421044
You got btfo son.

>>1421046
and you can't tell the obvious difference between posters either

>>1421044
I am Indian village boy

>>1421047
btfo. Cope and seethe. This is literally just another manufactured outrage. It is unfortunate what happened to this guy, but it was legal.

The only law potentially broken is whatever may have led to his arrest and the referral to the US attorney

>>1421051
i get that you're not american anon, but we don't like masked thugs coming into private places and kidnapping people for no reason

>>1421047
btfo. Cope and seethe. This is literally just another manufactured outrage. It is unfortunate what happened to this guy, but it was legal.

The only law potentially broken is whatever he may have done which led to his arrest, resulting in a referral to the US attorney

>>1421038
It's a key requirement of naturalization.

>>1421053
This is what you do.
You get blown the fuck out due to your lack of reading comprehension, and when you know you got blown the fuck out, you just call someone a foreigner.

If you want that argument to work, you should try touching up on your reading comprehension, rajoop poopaloop

>>1421051
>>1421054
i get that you're not american anon, but we don't like masked thugs coming into private places and kidnapping people for no reason

>>1421053
>kidnapping people for no reason
Well, whatever he did resulted in a criminal referral to a US attorney, you may not like it, but that's the truth

>>1421057
>>1421060
esl shill is talking to ghosts, you know his opinion is trustworthy

>>1421042
>>1421043
>, the defendant shall in all cases be taken before the magistrate without unnecessary delay, and, in any event, within 48 hours after his or her arrest, excluding Sundays and holidays.
Note how it does not say "excluding WEEKENDS". They never arranged for an arraignment and never bothered even charging him; combined with refusing to let him see an attorney and the groundless basis for arrest, this shit is several layers of illegal in both state and federal court.

>>1421053
>and now I am being sent back to mexico for no raisin!

>>1421061
Enjoying being btfo yet?
:-)

>>1421054
>It is unfortunate what happened to this guy, but it was legal.
Except for the abuse they subjected him to in custody, the basis for the arrest, and the fact they refused to let him contact an attorney.

>>1421063
>Note how it does not say "excluding WEEKENDS". They never arranged for an arraignment and never bothered even charging him; combined with refusing to let him see an attorney and the groundless basis for arrest, this shit is several layers of illegal in both state and federal court.
Anon, post the whole thing. Don't truncate it trying to deceive everyone. Go ahead, post the next clause.

>>1421056
Who said anything about naturalization? Do you need to speak english for a work visa all of a sudden?

>>1421063
>Note how it does not say "excluding WEEKENDS".
Correct. It says "in session" which is Monday to Friday for all local and federal courts. It really would have added context if you posted the next statement, instead of cherry picking just a single sentence that makes it appear you are correct
>(2) When the 48 hours prescribed by paragraph (1) expire at a time when the court in which the magistrate is sitting is not in session, that time shall be extended to include the duration of the next court session on the judicial day immediately following. If the 48-hour period expires at a time when the court in which the magistrate is sitting is in session, the arraignment may take place at any time during that session. However, when the defendant’s arrest occurs on a Wednesday after the conclusion of the day’s court session, and if the Wednesday is not a court holiday, the defendant shall be taken before the magistrate not later than the following Friday, if the Friday is not a court holiday.

Nice job trying to make a cheap fake on 4chan tho!

>>1421065
what the fuck are you even talking about, you delusonal faggot

>>1421069
Being able to read and write in plain english is requirement to fill out the forms. It's also a requirement to become a naturalized citizen, because this is a predominantly english speaking nation.

>>1421072
well you can speak english with your translator app, can't you, shill

>>1421067
>(2) When the 48 hours prescribed by paragraph (1) expire at a time when the court in which the magistrate is sitting is not in session, that time shall be extended to include the duration of the next court session on the judicial day immediately following. If the 48-hour period expires at a time when the court in which the magistrate is sitting is in session, the arraignment may take place at any time during that session. However, when the defendant’s arrest occurs on a Wednesday after the conclusion of the day’s court session, and if the Wednesday is not a court holiday, the defendant shall be taken before the magistrate not later than the following Friday, if the Friday is not a court holiday.
>(b) After the arrest, any attorney at law entitled to practice in the courts of record of California, may, at the request of the prisoner or any relative of the prisoner, visit the prisoner. Any officer having charge of the prisoner who willfully refuses or neglects to allow that attorney to visit a prisoner is guilty of a misdemeanor. Any officer having a prisoner in charge, who refuses to allow the attorney to visit the prisoner when proper application is made, shall forfeit and pay to the party aggrieved the sum of five hundred dollars ($500), to be recovered by action in any court of competent jurisdiction.
So one, good luck finding a judge who won't call you out on specifically trying to loophole this to keep someone for 4 days against state law. Two, they would've had to actually arrange an arraignment, which they didn't. They didn't even tell him what he was arrested for.

Oh, and you're also ignoring they violated the shit out of the SECOND clause by refusing to let him contact a lawyer, which is something they don't get out of even on a federal level.

>>1421066
>the abuse they subjected him to in custody, the basis for the arrest, and the fact they refused to let
What abuse? It doesn't mention abuse anywhere in the article
>>1421066
>the fact they refused to let him contact an attorney.
Yes, this was a fuckup on their part and they should be sued for this

>>1421072
>Being able to read and write in plain english is requirement to fill out the forms
No they aren't lol.

>>1421076
Okay.

>>1421077
if i were you i would not think things are ok. get a real job

>>1421075
>What abuse? It doesn't mention abuse anywhere in the article

>Authorities never let him shower or change clothes despite being covered in tear gas and pepper spray, Retes said, adding that his hands burned throughout the first night he spent in custody.

>>1421074
>against state law.
It clearly states otherwise. The 48 hours are not counted in days courts are not in session
Anon, this isn't some arbitrary interpretation, it's literally the word of the law and it's commonly followed. People arrested on Friday do not get a to see a judge on Saturday, they wait until Monday to Tuesday. People arrested on Thursday are not guaranteed to see a judge until Monday.
This is literally normal and is very clearly stated in what you posted.

>>1421080
you keep ignoring the right to an attorney part, shill. why is that

>>1421079
Lol. Good luck for anyone successfully arguing that no shower or prison clothes for a temporary stay is "abuse" lmao

>>1421079
Wow that sucks.
Guess he shouldn't have committed crimes.

>>1421081
>you keep ignoring the right to an attorney part, shill
No, I don't, you just can't read. Read this: >>1421075
For fucks sake, try to contain your eyeballs from exploding for a moment and try reading before you react

>>1421072
>Being able to read and write in plain english is requirement to fill out the forms.
No it isn’t.
>It's also a requirement to become a naturalized citizen, because this is a predominantly english speaking nation.
Repeating your irrelevant comment with more words doesn’t make it more relevant, retard. Nobody’s talking about naturalization.

>>1421083
He didn’t.

>>1421087
>He didn’t
To be fair, we don't actually know what he is accused of doing or the veracity of the claims. At this point only the US attorney who has received the criminal referral, the accused, and the people who arrested him may have any idea of this

>>1421085
> Nobody’s talking about naturalization.
Well, in order to be in our majority english speaking country, you either need to be born here or migrate, the latter of which requires a proficiency with english. And since none of these fucks could scream in english, I guess that narrows down where they came from, doesn't it?

>>1421080
They have to file charges in that time. They didn't; there was never a court date for them to bring him to. They had no intention of bringing him to an arraignment in the first place AND had no probable cause in the first place considering he's a US citizen and a veteran; it's textbook unlawful detention.

>>1421082
After spraying and tear gassing him? He could've (and judging by his comment about his hands, did) suffered chemical burns from that.

>>1421089
No. Answer >>1421038 or shut up.

>>1421089
>Local anon doesn't know what a visa or green card is

>>1421093
Is that why they were detained by ICE? They had a legal visa or green card?
You retards need to work on lying.

>>1421094
>work on lying
i'd rather not have your job

>>1421090
>They had no intention of bringing him to an arraignment in the first place AND had no probable cause in the first place considering he's a US citizen and a veteran; it's textbook unlawful detention.
They arrested the security guard at an ICE raid where a firearm was pointed at ICE.

>>1421096
>They arrested the security guard at an ICE raid
Unlawfully.
>where a firearm was pointed at ICE.
That didn’t happen.

>>1421090
>They have to file charges in that time. They didn't; there was never a court date for them to bring him to
No they don't you retard. Charges can be brought at any time and you can be arrested again
Google it. And don't lie if you don't like what you read.

>>1421090
>They have to file charges in that time
Wrong again
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=if+i+get+arrested+and+then+released+without+charges+can+they+still+file+charges+later

>>1421098
>>1421099
you don't have to post twice faggot shill. you're never going to win the argument

>>1421098
>>1421099
This isn't in the context of filing charges at all, this is in the context of detaining him. You can't detain someone for no probable cause, keep him rotting in jail for 3 days, refuse to let him contact his lawyer, and then not even inform him of the charges against him (because there were none).

>>1421056
>It's a key requirement of naturalization.
Not all citizens are naturalized.

>>1421034
Puerto Rico exists. It's perfectly reasonable for an American to not be fluent in English.

>>1421100
Shut up faggot, get bent
>>1421101
>You can't detain someone for no probable cause, keep him rotting in jail for 3 days, refuse to let him contact his lawyer, and then not even inform him of the charges against him (because there were none).
Most of what you said is either false, or only true if you assume yourself to be correct. The only thing you actually said that was true is that yes, he had the right to an attorney and was denied that right which is unconstitutional and I hope he sues them over that.

The rest of what you said is flat out false at worst, or extremely ostensible at best. You don't know what he is accused of, neither to I. He may or may not, but the arresting agency and the US attorney do know what he was accused of, so the probable cause argument is out the window.

As far as your 3 days talking point, we've been over this. State law says that the 48 hour clock is only ticking on days when court is in session. He was arrested on a Thursday, meaning he supposedly would be guaranteed to see a judge by Monday, but was released on Saturday, 1.5 days earlier than the legal requirements

>>1421104
tldr fascist faggot

>>1421104
>You don't know what he is accused of, neither to I.
Neither does he, they never informed him why he was arrested.
> but the arresting agency and the US attorney do know what he was accused of
No they don't. The Trump admin has a history of lying about this to cover up their abuses (See Kilmar Garcia). And considering this was an immigration raid, him being a US citizen (and a vet at that) meant they had no reason to arrest him just as he pulled into work.

And good luck convincing a judge "uh but we actually only had to wait until monday!" when the rest of the arrest and treatment stinks; the way they held him for all that time with no lawyer and no charges reeks of abuse of power.

>>1421106
>Neither does he, they never informed him why he was arrested.
I'm not sure there's any legal requirement that if someone is being detained you need to be told what you are suspected of, I believe the right to know your accusations occur when you have been charged with a crime
>>1421106
>The US attorney doesn't know why he was arrested
Well, the case was referred to him. If he's looked at it he should have an idea.
Neither you or I know why he was arrested tho, but you seem to just be projecting your lack of knowledge onto others.

>>1421106
>And good luck convincing a judge "uh but we actually only had to wait until monday!"
Well that is what the law says considering that judges don't work on weekends, I don't think it would be very hard to convince a judge on that point

>>1421108
>I'm not sure there's any legal requirement that if someone is being detained you need to be told what you are suspected of
it's called reasonable articulable suspicion, and it is a legal requirement, but this administration has been given a loophole allowing them to abscond from legal frameworks because america has been officially purchased by billionaires. do they pay you much?

>>1421007
it's Cali, i dont think newsom allows the police to work together with ICE.

>>1421109
There's so much else wrong with this arrest the fact they held him at all is a violation of his rights. 3 days, especially with forcing him to sleep in clothes covered in pepper spray, gives him enough for pain and suffering.

Funny thing is, your tax dollars will go to paying him.

>>1421112
>it's Cali, i dont think newsom allows the police to work together with ICE.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/2025/07/18/families-divided-rage-tear-gas-how-the-glass-house-raid-went-down/85248835007/
>12:45 p.m.: The Ventura County Sheriff's Office received a request for assistance from federal agencies. Local authorities readied to respond to help keep the peace between protesters and federal agents, authorities said.
Oh look, there were police there after all. I find it amazing how the "experts" on /news/ know for a fact that there weren't police at this raid when five seconds on google shows multiple agencies being involved, including firefighters and national guard - yet somehow can't find one cop to control and/or stop traffic on the roads (oh wait, they did).

>>1421016
>See the problem with this is California actually has specific laws specifying someone can only be held 48 hours without charges. Therefore what they did to him constitutes a crime in of itself.
Ever heard of the comedian Eddie Griffin? He went through the same thing when he was arrested for being drunk in California like 20 years ago, got picked up on Friday and had to wait in jail until Monday to see a judge.

>>1421111
>it's called reasonable articulable suspicion
>Reasonable Articulable Suspicion (RAS) is a legal standard that allows law enforcement officers to conduct brief investigative stops or detentions if they have specific, articulable facts that lead them to believe a crime may be occurring, has occurred, or is about to occur. Unlike probable cause, which requires a higher level of evidence for arrests or searches, RAS operates on a lower threshold, enabling officers to act swiftly in dynamic situations
No, this sounds completely different.
You have another theory?

>>1421115
>Ever heard of the comedian Eddie Griffin? He went through the same thing when he was arrested for being drunk in California like 20 years ago, got picked up on Friday and had to wait in jail until Monday to see a judge
You are arguing facts to demagogues.
They don't care what reality is or what the facts are, they've latched onto a single concept and have ignored the nuanced implementation details of it because they are just repeating their talking points blindly.

Yes, 48 hours is considered legally acceptable to hold someone suspected of a crime without filing charges but no, that clock is not ticking over the weekend because no judges or district attorneys are working at that time to process said charges.
The exact law was quoted multiple times in this thread stating that the 48 hours excludes days which are holidays, or when courts are not open (such as weekdays)

They are absolutely correct though in saying he hard a right to a lawyer and he was denied that right. That was the civil rights violation that occurred.

>>1421115
>>1421116
>>1421117
this whole shill farm should be burned down

>>1421119
Well then you'd be out of a job and your farm would be gone

>>1421117
>They are absolutely correct though in saying he hard a right to a lawyer and he was denied that right. That was the civil rights violation that occurred.
I'm just asking, but does that still apply if he wasn't charged with a crime? If they just hold you and let you go afterwards? Obviously now that he's out he can get a lawyer and sue for an unlawful detention.

>>1421119
Honestly though, this defense mechanism of yours, calling everyone else names when you lose an argument, is a really psychologically unhealthy way that prevents yourself from coming to terms with errors in your belief

>>1421121
>I'm just asking, but does that still apply if he wasn't charged with a crime?
That's a good question, but I'm fairly certain at any point in the process you have a right to an attorney, even if they were to show up to your house and search it and bring you outside to wait I don't think they could legally prevent you from requesting legal counsel

>>1421121
>I'm just asking, but does that still apply if he wasn't charged with a crime? If they just hold you and let you go afterwards?
Yes. Because if you are held by authorities, you have a right to contact a lawyer and they cannot deny you that right.

>>1421121
I'm googling it and I don't actually see a clear answer.
Miranda writes kick in even without charges, but only if you are being interrogated.
The sixth amendment right to council is only triggered when charges are formally brought against oneself.
Reading escodido vs Illinois It does seem to have been a right confirmed by the supreme Court https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/378/478/

>>1421125
>writes
Lol, voice to text.
But yeah, it appears to have been confirmed in escodido vs Illinois

>>1421126
>>1421125
Oh wait I take that back Escodido versus Illinois focuses on being interrogated much like the Miranda vs Arizona (Miranda rights) does

To be honest, I can't find any evidence of this being argued in front of the supreme Court, it doesn't apply as worded to the sixth or fourteenth but I would strongly suspect that if someone (the guy in the news article) took it to the supreme Court It would probably be ruled that the right is implied.

>>1421124
This was definitely what I thought up to about 30 minutes ago, but apparently it's a legal gray area if they haven't pressed charges and they are not interrogating you.
I actually can't find anything that states you have a right to legal counsel if you are not being interrogated and you are not being charged with a crime, regardless of detention status.

It'd be interested if you can find something that says that though, I honestly thought it was the case but I can't find any supporting evidence

>>1420957 (OP)
>disabled veteran
>security guard
Huh?

>>1421114
do u even read what u read or are u being disingenuous ?
I said "work together". Here the news report said police help keep the peace between protesters and agents, meaning the police being "neutral". When I said "work together", it means police helping ICE, meaning not-neutral.

>>1421101
>You can't detain someone for no probable cause
They can detain you for reasonable suspicion, e.g working on a farm that's harboring illegal immigrants.

>>1421103
Puerto Rico isn't a US state. The people living there aren't US citizens.

>>1421130
>there were no police at the raid working with ICE
>yes there were, see link
>DURRR THEY WERE DER ARRESTING PEOPLE INNA ICE RAID DUN MEAN ''''''WORKING TOGETHER''''''' DURRRRRR

>>1421134
>Puerto Rico isn't a US state. The people living there aren't US citizens.
Washington DC isn't a US state. The people living there aren't US citizens.

See? I can say dumb bullshit, too.

>>1421133
>working on a farm that's harboring illegal immigrants
That's not reasonable suspicion. A business employing criminals does not mean the feds get to round up every employee of said business without further evidence. Apply that shit to fucking Walmart or Amazon.

>>1421139
>A business employing criminals does not mean the feds get to round up every employee of said business without further evidence
They do if it's an illegal operation anon.
Retards seems to have forgotten that growing weed is still a federal crime.

>>1421140
>They do if it's an illegal operation anon.
ICE doesn't have the authority to enforce drug crime.

>>1421148
Good thing the DEA was there with them. (((Working together)))

>>1421135
>I trust what police says until I dont feel like it DURRR
https://abcnews.go.com/US/los-angeles-police-responded-kidnapping-call-found-ice/
"The LAPD said it did not take part in the federal operation and will "not participate in or assist with civil immigration enforcement," according to a police statement..They say this is partly because the department has been prohibited from immigration enforcement in a policy that goes back to 1979. And now, California law prohibits police agencies from working with federal immigration agents."

>>1421150
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/los-angeles-police-responded-kidnapping-call-found-ice/
>Oops! Page unavailable.
LMAO

>>1421151
https://www.yahoo.com/news/los-angeles-police-responded-kidnapping-194800629.html
keep coping and delaying the inevitable, kiddo.

>>1421150
LOL holy shit you're being a slick fucking cunt right now. Why don't you post the ENTIRE quote. I see what you fucking did there.

Hell let me start you off.
https://6abc.com/post/los-angeles-police-responded-kidnapping-call-found-ice-operation/16852938/
>The LAPD said it did not take part in the federal operation and will "not participate in or assist with civil immigration enforcement," according to a police statement. Rather, the LAPD said its officers remained on scene to "de-escalate tensions, move pedestrians out of the roadway, and allow emergency vehicles safe passage."

FUNNY HOW YOU LEFT THAT PART OUT!

>>1421154
Keep coping kiddo.

>They say this is partly because the department has been prohibited from immigration enforcement in a policy that goes back to 1979. And now, California law prohibits police agencies from working with federal immigration agents."

>>1421153
>The LAPD said it did not take part in the federal operation and will "not participate in or assist with civil immigration enforcement," according to a police statement.
>Rather, the LAPD said its officers remained on scene to "de-escalate tensions, move pedestrians out of the roadway, and allow emergency vehicles safe passage."

>"The LAPD said it did not take part in the federal operation and will "not participate in or assist with civil immigration enforcement," according to a police statement..They say this is partly because the department has been prohibited from immigration enforcement in a policy that goes back to 1979. And now, California law prohibits police agencies from working with federal immigration agents."

One of these things is not like the other! One of these just doesn't belong!

>>1421156
Uh oh! Someone's upset because they got caught being a bad faith, misleading piece of shit.

>>1421157
everything i said is exactly what the law said. meanwhile you...
>i am police supporter until i feel the need to accuse them of breaking the law because i dont like losing internet debate.

>>1421159
>everything i said is exactly what the law said.
>PAY NO ATTENTION TO HOW I EDITED THE QUOTE AND LEFT OUT SHIT IN BETWEEN SENTENCES
HAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED!

>>1421160
we already covered that in the conversation above. no need to repeat what we already know
>>1421135

>>1421160
me deciding to omit information that's already posted above does not change LAPD official statement nor Cali law. But keep coping.

>>1421162
>me deciding to omit information
LOL
>that's already posted above
LMAO
>does not change LAPD official statement nor Cali law.
That they're not there to enforce immigration, but rather to remain "on scene to "de-escalate tensions, move pedestrians out of the roadway, and allow emergency vehicles safe passage."" ... For example arresting a jackass security guard that's being a piece of shit. "Working together" with ICE to make sure people don't do dumb shit like shoot at federal agents or try to drive onto an area that's blocked off because of a federal raid to shut down an illegal drug farm using child labor that involves multiple agencies.
>But keep coping.
lol keep editing quotes to try to win an argument. It's fucking hilarious!

>>1421163
It's already posted above, different case but same rule same spirit
>>1421114
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/2025/07/18/families-divided-rage-tear-gas-how-the-glass-house-raid-went-down/85248835007/
>>12:45 p.m.: The Ventura County Sheriff's Office received a request for assistance from federal agencies. Local authorities readied to respond to help keep the peace between protesters and federal agents, authorities said.

omitting repetitive information that we already know does not change the merit of argument.

>>1421163
i am sorry u have memory of goldfish such that i need to repeat repetitive information in every reply for u to not sperge out

>>1421164
>n-no you see actually I changed the quote because someone else several hours ago posted something that debunks my bullshit narrative about cops not "working together" with ICE and I didn't want to be repetitive
...... That makes sense!

>>1421165
Or you could just ... I dunno... Give the full, unedited quote like a normal person would. And not be a bad-faith piece of shit. lmao

>>1421166
>my bullshit narrative
LAPD official statement

>>1421168
That you edited. lol

>>1421169
changes nothing for anyone not having memory of goldfish

>>1421171
>changes nothing
Other than the part where police ARE "working together" with ICE to arrest pieces of shit like the OP security guard... which you tried to imply didn't happen with your edited quote LOL

Are either of you even old enough to vote? You don't sound it.

>>1421173
>"He added he's not even sure which agency arrested him."
LAPD would have announced themselves.

>>1421182
>LAPD would have announced themselves.
You're assuming he's telling the truth. You're also assuming it was the LAPD and not a Ventura County Sheriff. Or a DEA agent, or an FBI agent, or any of the dozen of agencies involved in this - All of which had access to the metropolitan detention center they dropped him off at, which is run by law enforcement.

>>1421183
oh, so just like how u were assuming and insisted my edited quote is due to "bad faith", not because i dont feel like repeating information already posted.

>>1421188
LMAO you're still salty about getting caught being a misleading piece of shit?
>y-you weren't supposed to check the link, baka! You were just supposed to trust what I posted was the actual thing!
The problem with your absolute dogshit attempt at damage control is the part where the "repeating misinformation" contradicts the edited quote you made.

The police were there "working together" with ICE, along firefighters, NG, and too many federal agencies to bother listing. No matter how hard you try to cut up quotes to act like ICE was all alone during that raid. Cope, seethe, dialate, self-terminate.

>>1421190
except i literally repeated the information myself already before i post the article/quote
>>1421130
>I said "work together". Here the news report said police help keep the peace between protesters and agents, meaning the police being "neutral". When I said "work together", it means police helping ICE, meaning not-neutral.

>>1421192
Oh my God he's still coping lmao.

Another problem with you providing mangled posts is that you started this entire chain of replies that began with - and notice how I didn't edit this part of the quote:

>>1421001
>Retard he wasn't arrested by cops, he was arrested by ICE. He pulled up to work while they were raiding his workplace.
(Notice how I didn't leave anything out? This is the opposite of what you did.)

Now everyone else watch as he tries to argue semantics of "working together" to dig himself out of the grave he dug himself.

>>1421193
that anon actually wasn't me. My first comment in this thread is "it's cali, newsom wouldn't allow police to work with ICE".

>Now everyone else watch as he tries to argue semantics of "working together" to dig himself out of the grave he dug himself.
Except that's the same semantics LAPD uses.

It still fucks me up that so many anons here are trying to use legal arguments why it was a bad thing for this farm filled with illegal immigrants to be raided
Like, if you have a conscience, you should not be on the side of the guy that was 'guarding' a weed plantation

>>1421219
you can stop pretending to have morals now, you've already gone full fascist and pedo defender

>>1421219
>It still fucks me up that so many anons here are trying to use legal arguments why it was a bad thing for this farm filled with illegal immigrants to be raided
Agreed. The gestapo kidnapping people is bad no matter how legal or illegal it is.

>>1421223
Liberals have this weird brainrot problem where they think federal officers throwing you into a cage is evil even if you did something wrong

>>1421227
follow your leader faggot

>>1421227
Punishment doesn't fit the crime. Hell, the crime ain't even a crime. They're using minor bullshit to condemn people to hell prison for the rest of their lives. Legal or not, that's fucking wrong.

>>1421229
We spent a year suffering through race riots because many of you thought blacks committing crimes was a problem with the criminal justice system itself. You're not rational.

>>1421234
>we
you're not american. and don't start whining, nobody likes a whiny fascist shill

>>1421234
No.

>>1421234
Good post

>>1421229
>Hell, the crime ain't even a crime.
>illegally trespassing into a foreign country
>manufacturing federally banned drugs
>child labor
>firing a gun at federal police
Typical dems and their dindu nuffin delusions.

>>1421254
now you're ghis laine

>>1421254
>illegally trespassing into a foreign country
Civil offense, not a criminal one.
>manufacturing federally banned drugs
Legal in several states.
>child labor
Legal on farms. Yes, really.
>firing a gun at federal police
That didn't happen.

>>1421257
>federally banned drugs
also banned for having no medical purpose despite having multiple documented medical purposes.
The US Government has been literally farming pot and making joints for a man since the last millennium because he got grandfathered into an early federal medical marijuana program

>>1421257
>Civil offense, not a criminal one.
So a crime.
>Legal in several states.
Not legal federally.
>Legal on farms. Yes, really.
Not until 15, must have a work permit, limited to so many hours, and working non-hazardous jobs (i.e. a drug farm).
>That didn't happen.
https://nypost.com/2025/07/11/us-news/california-protester-fires-gun-at-federal-agents-in-chaotic-clash-during-pot-farm-raid-wild-video/

>>1421259
>i.e. not a drug farm
derp. You get the idea.

>>1421257
>Civil offense, not a criminal one.
Also this is incorrect. It is a federal crime.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

>>1421259
>Not legal federally.
Yeah, fuck states rights.
>Not until 15, must have a work permit, limited to so many hours, and working non-hazardous jobs (i.e. a drug farm).
It varies, there's no reason to think these kids didn't have permits or were working too many hours, and this wasn't hazardous work.
>https://nypost.com/2025/07/11/us-news/california-protester-fires-gun-at-federal-agents-in-chaotic-clash-during-pot-farm-raid-wild-video/
Wasn't the people getting black bagged.

>>1421261
I stand corrected. Still doesn't fit, though.

>>1421262
>Yeah, fuck states rights.
Don't pretend you give a fuck about states rights after you assholes went against Texas enforcing their own borders when Biden was in charge.
>It varies,
Looking at California.
>there's no reason to think these kids didn't have permits or were working too many hours
And you know this how? Please show me their working permits. You know that's required per California law.
>and this wasn't hazardous work.
Yes tell me more how working with psychoactive drugs isn't hazardous to children.
>Wasn't the people getting black bagged.
First off, I love how you used the phrase "black bagged". Second, the person still hasn't been caught yet so we don't know his affiliation with the farm other than he's willing to kill police over it.
>I stand corrected. Still doesn't fit, though.
It's still a crime, even if you think "the crime ain't even a crime".

>>1421263
>Don't pretend you give a fuck about states rights
You first.
>And you know this how? Please show me their working permits. You know that's required per California law.
I dunno, how do you know they don't? You're the one claiming they don't have any permits without evidence, retard.
>Yes tell me more how working with psychoactive drugs isn't hazardous to children.
You remind me of the cops that think they'll just drop dead if they're in the same room as some fentanyl.
>First off, I love how you used the phrase "black bagged".
Thanks.
>Second, the person still hasn't been caught yet so we don't know his affiliation with the farm other than he's willing to kill police over it.
Great. That's irrelevant.
>It's still a crime
That's what I just said. "Still doesn't fit" as in the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

>>1421262
Also California has some very, VERY strict laws for owning a marijuana farm for commercial use. It's HIGHLY regulated. I'm going through the weeds (pun intended) of these regulations right now, and it specifically shows employees must be 21 or over.

It's funny how selective you are about the laws you want to follow.

>>1421266
>You first.
lol the Texas border situation happened first. Do you know how time works?
>I dunno, how do you know they don't? You're the one claiming they don't have any permits without evidence, retard.
LMAO well retard, turns out I don't need evidence of their workers permits after all, per my last post, because anyone under 21 years old working on a marijuana farm in California IS ILLEGAL.
>You remind me of the cops that think they'll just drop dead if they're in the same room as some fentanyl.
And you remind me of a typical democrat who thinks the laws don't apply to him.
>Thanks.
Yes because that's totally what happened. No bad-faith imagery there.
>Great. That's irrelevant.
No it's highly relevant. This is what you democrats do all the time: blatant illegal shit like shooting at police or using child labor on drug farms - and then when you get caught you cry "YOU CAN'T DO THAT I KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!" (lol you don't).
>That's what I just said.
No you said "the crime ain't even a crime". Turns out it is in fact a crime.

>>1421266
And I'm getting tired of waiting for your counter-argument so let me just go ahead and drop this down here:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=BPC&division=10.&title=&part=&chapter=14.&article=


CHAPTER 14. Protection of Minors [26140- 26140.] ( Chapter 14 added November 8, 2016, by initiative Proposition 64, Sec. 6.1. )

26140.


(a) An A-licensee shall not:

(1) Sell cannabis or cannabis products to persons under 21 years of age.

(2) Allow any person under 21 years of age on its premises, unless the A-licensee holds an M-license and the licensed premises for the A-license and M-license are the same.

(3) Employ or retain persons under 21 years of age.

(4) Sell or transfer cannabis or cannabis products unless the person to whom the cannabis or cannabis product is to be sold first presents documentation that reasonably appears to be a valid government-issued identification card showing that the person is 21 years of age or older.

>>1421269
>lol the Texas border situation happened first. Do you know how time works?
I'm not going to humor you intentionally misconstruing my words, faggot.
>LMAO well retard, turns out I don't need evidence of their workers permits after all, per my last post, because anyone under 21 years old working on a marijuana farm in California IS ILLEGAL.
I appreciate the admission that you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about when you said that. It says a lot.
>And you remind me of a typical democrat who thinks the laws don't apply to him.
I'm sure I remind you of quite a few people. I bet some of them even exist.
>Yes because that's totally what happened.
Correct.
>No it's highly relevant.
It's not. I'm talking about ICE raiding this farm and kidnapping the people working there. This protestor isn't one of them.
Yes, I know, you're trying to extrapolate things and group everyone you don't like into some big amorphous mass of vague democrat devil people. I don't give a shit. I'm not humoring that either.
>No you said "the crime ain't even a crime". Turns out it is in fact a crime.
Yeah, I did. Then you proved it was and I admitted that. Pay attention.

>>1421271
>I'm not going to humor you intentionally misconstruing my words, faggot.
Okay retard. Just take your L after I demonstrated you don't give a fuck about states rights, but have no problem saying "muh states' rights" when it's something you care about.
>I appreciate the admission that you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about when you said that.
Guess you're just going to ignore all the California law I was throwing at you earlier. lol I accept your concession.
>I'm sure I remind you of quite a few people. I bet some of them even exist.
Yes, they're called retarded faggots.
>Correct.
Show me an image or video of one of the arrested having a black bag thrown over their head. Go ahead I'll wait.
>It's not.
It is.
> I'm talking about ICE raiding this farm and kidnapping the people working there.
You dems have some of the most hilarious terms for people being arrested. It's like you're intentionally flipping it so the cops are criminals and you're victims of a crime, instead of the truth where you're criminals and they're stopping crimes.
>This protestor isn't one of them.
Says you. We'll see when he's eventually caught and found guilty of attempted murder of a federal police officer.
>Yeah, I did.
I know.
>Then you proved it was and I admitted that.
And then you tried to shift the goalposts and downplay it. "w-well yeah it is a crime... But it's not a bad one!"
>Pay attention.
Stop sucking.

>>1421275
Alright, you're just talking shit now.

>>1421277
>I've got nothing. You just blew me the fuck out so hard I can't counter-argue anything.
GGEZ

>>1420957 (OP)
Good. It may sound hurtfull but, Americans and latins deserve what is happening in their whole extra large united states. They had one job in election day and they awfully failed stoping mctrump. Thanks to him the whole world has to suffer the economic war. I hope leftist Americans remember forever what happens when they let rich madmen take control of the white house 2 times

>>1421270
Good post.

>>1421285
oops meant for >>1421271

>>1421286
No.

>>1421286
LMAO

>>1421284
The alternative was worse

>>1421304
No it fucking wasn't.

>>1421305
Yeah it was.
Gay race communism is retarded. The Biden admin. unironically created a Ministry of Truth. Why would anybody want more of that shit?

>>1420970
You are harboring and giving support to an mafia authority, finger-pointing traitor.

>>1421060
No innocent person ever went to prison either, huh?

>>1421310
A traitor is someone who betrays his country.
Who is ruling the country now? MAGA.
Don't get it twisted, faggot, you are the traitor.

>>1421313
>A traitor is someone who betrays his country.
A traitor is someone that betrays their allies. The shitbags running this country were never on anyone's side but their own. Nobody can betray them.

>>1421311
>We're just growing drugs using child labor and shooting at police when they try to stop us. We dindu nuffin! We gud!