Yet another leftwing terrorist threatening the US Government - /news/ (#1421241)

Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:17:47 AM No.1421241
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https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/cincinnati-man-arrested-alleged-terroristic-threats-against-ice-agents-federal-official-immigration-customs-agent-department-homeland-butler-county-ohio-anthony-kelly

Cincinnati man arrested for alleged threats against ICE agents and federal official

A Cincinnati man has been arrested on federal charges for allegedly making terroristic threats against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents and a federal official, according to a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announcement on Saturday.

Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs at DHS, said Anthony Kelly is facing charges for allegedly threatening to kidnap, assault, and murder a U.S. official. He was listed at being arrested at 12:13 p.m. and was being held in Butler County Jail. Those charges online are listed as, "HOLD FOR FED."

"Thank you to our law enforcement," McLaughlin said in a post on X. "These threats will not be tolerated. You will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

McLaughlin's post included photos of social media posts from an account allegedly connected to Kelly that threatened to shoot and kill ICE agents. "You come here for me, you're getting shot. I'm shooting for the kill. I won't give a f--- about your names, who you are or anything else," reads a post on X about ICE officials.

Another post included a response about DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. "The shotgun is being bought later on this week you're also invited b-----."

The user was apparently referring to ICE agents in a post when replying on X about Tom Homan, Trump's border czar. "Thanks for giving We The People permission to shoot "

During a search of Kelly's home in Cincinnati, authorities found one gun and ammunition, McLaughlin said.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:24:24 AM No.1421243
Must suck to know you now live under a regime which doesn't tolerate terrorist threats against republicans.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:36:33 AM No.1421244
>>1421243
>terrorist threats against republicans
A gallows built outside of the Capitol Building on 6th January 2021 that would have been used if those that had no right to be in that building had gotten their hands on Mike Pence: a Republican.
Terrorists: but not if they're Republican voters.
Was white rightist Timothy McVeigh a terrorist? Yes or No. I say Yes. If any Republican voter in /news/ answers that question No, they support terrorists.
USAAF air ace Chuck Yeager helped the Resistance in France to kill white rightists in WWII. Was he & those he helped terrorists? Yes or No. I say No. If anyone in /news/ answers Yes, they support terrorists: those Yeager & co. eliminated for the crimes of existing, having wrong opinions, and being where they never had the right to be in the first place.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:37:28 AM No.1421245
>>1421241 (OP)
>"If you come for me I'm going to kill you."
>terroristic threat
lol sure
Hey, arrest everyone who's said they're gonna fight back if the government comes for their guns. Over my dead body, from my cold, dead hands, that whole thing. That's terrorism now.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:42:38 AM No.1421247
>>1421244
>A gallows that would have been used

wasn't the gallows a mini gallows that was only symbolic and physically couldn't be used?

>USAAF air ace Chuck Yeager was a heckin WHITE FUCKING MALE who never would have supported an invasion of America, men who call themselves women, or anti-White-male bigotry
yeah I support him why don't you?

>>1421245
>Illegally invade a country and threaten government agents if they enforce their border
yes this is terrorism.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:53:04 AM No.1421248
>>1421247
>wasn't the gun unloaded and only symbolic and physically couldn't be used?

>threaten government agents if they enforce their border
the famous international border in southern Ohio
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:58:52 AM No.1421250
>>1421247
>wasn't the gallows a mini gallows that was only symbolic and physically couldn't be used?
>wasn't
You said it, I didn't. It wasn't, but was an actual gallows ready for committing the terrorist act of lynching a Republican by Republican terrorists. Was their so much as thinking of doing what they did outside/within the Capitol Building a terrorist act? I say Yes. What's your answer, Yes or No?
>USAAF air ace Chuck Yeager helped the Resistance in France to kill white rightists in WWII. Was he & those he helped terrorists? Yes or No. I say No
What part of 'No, Yeager & co. weren't terrorists' don't you understand, or don't you possess reading comprehension? Was McVeigh a terrorist? I say Yes. What's your answer?
>Illegally invade a country and threaten government agents if they enforce their border
So you agree that Putin never had the right to so much as think of looking at Crimea least of all annex it, along with not having the right to so much as enter one inch within Ukraine's borders because doing so is an act of terrorism? I say Yes. What's your answer, certainly now Trump's giving Zelenskyy the tools - Patriot & longer range Moscow-reaching missiles - to hit home the proven fact that Putin's nothing more than a terrorist, just like those Yeager & the French Resistance fought & killed for their crime of existing. And being terrorists with wrong opinions & being where they never had the right to be.
Obama removed more illegals than Trump ever has or will, with none of the furore. Was he the superior president, and Trump is inferior? I say Yes. Do you?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:59:20 AM No.1421252
>>1421247
>Illegally invade a country and threaten government agents if they enforce their border
Didn't happen, retard.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:51:51 AM No.1421264
>>1421244
>A gallows built outside of the Capitol Building
Ugh. This bullshit again. They're still crying about a fake gallows that couldn't support the weight of AOC's skinny ass - while conveniently ignoring the molotov cocktails they threw at Secret Service on May 30th 2020 when they tried to storm the white house.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:54:08 AM No.1421265
>>1421248
>>wasn't the gun unloaded and only symbolic and physically couldn't be used?
Except the part ... where it ... COULD ... be used? Because it was real? A real gun? With ammunition that could be used to shoot it with?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:02:36 AM No.1421268
>>1421264
So what, it was just symbolic?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:24:56 AM No.1421274
>>1421268
It was made out of paper mache.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:30:11 AM No.1421276
>>1421274
Why did they build that?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:35:11 AM No.1421278
>>1421276
Do you know what paper mache is?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:38:35 AM No.1421280
>>1421278
Yes. Are you going to answer any of my questions?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:41:40 AM No.1421281
>>1421280
>Yes.
Okay, then there's your answer.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:44:31 AM No.1421282
>>1421281
In a matter of speaking. What was it symbolic of?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:17:32 AM No.1421287
>>1421282
>>1421280
>>1421268
I wasn't aware it was made out of paper mache. I legitimately thought it was real, but inoperable in a practice sense because it appeared to be so flimsy.
So you people have been bitching about a literal art project this entire time?
lmao
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:20:07 AM No.1421288
>>1421282
>>1421280
>>1421268
I wasn't aware it was made out of paper mache. I legitimately thought it was real materials although It did appear much too flimsy to be operable in a practical sense.
But now I find out it was paper mache lol
So you people have been bitching about a literal art project this entire time?
lmao
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:22:58 AM No.1421289
>>1421288
Not him or "you people", but I'm pretty sure they're bitching about trying to storm the building to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:27:30 AM No.1421290
>>1421289
>I'm pretty sure they're bitching about trying to storm the building to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
Pretty sure I replied to people discussing paper mache gallows, so kindly go away
socialist Phoenix rises from the ashes
7/21/2025, 6:30:10 AM No.1421291
>>1421264
Stop trying to make it look like nothing happened, you fascist. 109 Novel Weapons Employed During DC insurrection. https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(21)00960-4/fulltext And then of course there was the guy with the zip ties!
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:34:01 AM No.1421292
>>1421288
Yeah, it was basically a stage prop. If they actually tried to hang someone from it, let alone step on it, it would've fallen apart.
This is why the 'muh insurrection' crowd is retarded. They weren't scared about losing democracy, they were scared that the regime which favored them specifically was going to be obstructed from taking power again.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:41:28 AM No.1421293
>>1421274
>>1421278
>>1421281
Actually, nevermind, I googled around and can't find any mention anywhere about it being made of paper mache. You're full of shit.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:46:15 AM No.1421294
>>1421293
Cool opinions.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:53:34 AM No.1421295
>>1421294
>doesn't even try to prove it when called out
Yup, full of shit.
Also, the point you were avoiding was that it's a threat. It's symbolic of "We're going to fucking kill you." Which, going by the logic of this news article, is terrorism.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:54:22 AM No.1421296
>>1421291
I don't know which part is more hilarious; the part where your link combines May 30th 2020 and Jan 6th 2021 - even though they were opposite sides - or how your link doesn't include the molotov cocktails and flammable weapons used on May 30th.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:21:47 AM No.1421299
>>1421295
1) If you think everything about the world exists through the lens of a search engine, you're retarded.
2) A gallows that cannot hold the weight of a man isn't a credible threat.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:27:57 AM No.1421300
>>1421299
>If you think everything about the world exists through the lens of a search engine, you're retarded.
I don't. But I do think that if someone makes a claim without evidence, you can't find any evidence of that claim yourself, then they're probably full of shit.
>A gallows that cannot hold the weight of a man isn't a credible threat.
So you don't know what symbolism means. Is that why you were avoiding answering that question?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:35:15 AM No.1421301
>>1421300
NTA, care to explain the "symbolism" behind BLM chanting "Pigs in a blanket! Fry 'em like bacon!"?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:44:06 AM No.1421302
>>1421300
>I don't.
Then you should stop using google as a fact-checker, retard.
>Is that why you were avoiding answering that question?
Because it's a stupid question from a stupid person.
The gallows weren't real or functional. They weren't symbolic of anything outside of the impotence of the rioters.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:59:36 AM No.1421303
>>1421302
Oh, anon, you missed the rest of that line. Let me help you there.
>But I do think that if someone makes a claim without evidence, you can't find any evidence of that claim yourself, then they're probably full of shit.
Post proof or fuck off, faggot.
>The gallows weren't real or functional. They weren't symbolic of anything outside of the impotence of the rioters.
The rioters made a "paper mache" gallows to show how impotent they were. Sounds legit.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:20:08 AM No.1421306
>>1421303
>Post proof or fuck off, faggot.
The only mitigating factors here are your incredulity and stupidity. I'm not going to dig through FBI reports to win an argument with a retard.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:25:26 AM No.1421307
>>1421306
>If you don't believe my bullshit claim without evidence then you're stupid and retarded.
Sounds legit.
Fuck off, faggot.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:55:33 AM No.1421312
Isn't is weird that most people that snap or go serial killer were/are law enforcement and/or have a military background. Just seems too steady to be a coincidence.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:26:03 PM No.1421321
>>1421264
And what was stopping those white rightard terrorists from hanging Pence should they have got hold of him? One doesn't necessarily need a gallows to lynch someone. Just ask Jeffrey Epstein.
But then, one doesn't necessarily need to use that method - lynching - to execute someone you just happen to not like. Just ask 168 innocent people in the Alfred P. Murrah Building on 19th April 1995: including 19 children. One doesn't necessarily need rope to execute others. Just ask Timothy McVeigh.
One can become a terrorist with just threats. Just ask former Vice President Mike Pence. What letter was after his name, >>1421264, and was just making a 'fake' gallows at what was basically an act of terrorism itself an act of terrorism? Yes or No. I say Yes. Just ask Mike Pence. He would ask those outside that day chanting 'Hang Mike Pence'.
...and '...in Minecraft' can no longer be used an excuse. Even saying that means you mean it. The courts know that. 'Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law'. Prosecutors have no concept of 'Memes', and why should they? Even with '...in Minecraft', one no longer has the right to that excuse to excuse away even a threat. If you say it that way, you mean it that way. No 'Excuses' allowed.
There's no excuses for Terrorism. Just ask those white rightards outside/within the Capitol Building on 6th January 2021. Was that an act of terrorism? Yes or No. I say Yes. Nobody else has the right to any excuses for saying anything other than Yes. For saying anything other than 'Yes it WAS an act of terrorism' means that you're a terrorist enabler, ergo you're a terrorist too.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:11:57 PM No.1421322
>>1421321
>And what was stopping those white rightard terrorists from hanging Pence should they have got hold of him?
Unfortunately not much because unlike May 30th 2020 the National Guard wasn't there to keep them from breaching - even though Trump specifically told his underlings to do so prior to the event, per General Milley (and we all know how those two get along).

The rest of your post is incoherent ranting about Timothy McVeigh, as if he's the only American terrorist we've ever had. Nobody cares.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:23:03 PM No.1421324
>>1421241 (OP)
Murrican "right wing" is a zionist psyop.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:54:05 PM No.1421327
>>1421322
>Timothy McVeigh
>Nobody cares
So white rightists don't care about 19 children murdered by a white rightist terrorist
>Nobody cares
Sums up the white right as a whole, and their incoherent wrong opinions which justify terrorism. Gotcha. literally
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:20:03 PM No.1421331
>>1421327
>So white rightists don't care about 19 children murdered by a white rightist terrorist
No more than you care about the 28 children killed at Waco. Since you want to bring up a topic from the early 90s that has no relevance to modern day, riots, or politics.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:47:36 PM No.1421332
>>1421331
Are you really pretending that the large majority of mass shooters are not right wing nut jobs? Despite all the evidence in the world that shows almost all shooters are conservative, your willful ignorance is like an armor protecting your stupid brain from facts.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:54:06 PM No.1421333
>>1421332
>Are you really pretending that the large majority of mass shooters are not right wing nut jobs?
Since we're moving to yet ANOTHER topic, no. Mass shooting defined as three or more shot in one event, blacks in Chicago got right-wing nut jobs beat. Now can you please stick to one subject? Are we talking about Jan 6th, Timothy McVeigh, or active shooters?

Or are we just lumping in entire categories of bad things and attributing it to one side, because if that's the case the left has everyone beat by a fucking mile when it comes to rioting. Name the last time right-wingers had a year long riot across the country that cost $1.6 billion in property damage, dozens of deaths, and more arsons than the FBI could keep track of.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:12:16 PM No.1421334
>>1421333
...but aren't white rightists supposed to be morally superior to everyone else, including blacks? If one white rightard proves to be morally inferior, therefore ALL white rightards are morally inferior. No Exceptions.
That includes white rightards in /news/ that refuse to condemn white rightards that commit terroristic acts.
>reduced to using the race card
>the reverse card can therefore be played: one white rightard being morally inferior, therefore all white rightards are morally inferior
Here's your broad brush back >>1421333, sorry about the mess. /s
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:24:22 PM No.1421336
>>1421334
Please see a psychiatrist
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:31:53 PM No.1421338
>>1421336
>Please see a psychiatrist
Good advice to yourself, that which is reduced to that sort of reply
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:56:01 PM No.1421339
>>1421333
Good post
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:06:28 PM No.1421340
>>1421333
>Name the last time right-wingers had a year long riot across the country
This seems to imply that you're imaging a fake left wing year long riot across the country?
You should see a doctor about curing your brain damage if you're hallucinating fake events
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:11:32 PM No.1421341
>>1421333
>>1421339
Get a room you two
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:22:00 PM No.1421342
>>1421340
>I'm going to pretend that 2020 didn't happen to try to win an argument
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:34:04 PM No.1421343
>>1421342
MAGA rioted at the white house Jan 6th 2021, note 2020
You'd think a Real American would remember a group of illiterate retarded morons breaking windows, beating police officers, and smearing shit all over our capital building.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:52:14 PM No.1421344
>>1421343
>I'm still pretending that nothing happened in 2020
lol
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:55:29 PM No.1421345
>>1421343
>MAGA rioted at the white house Jan 6th 2021, note 2020
>note
esl alert.
Americans remember the 2020 leftist race riots in the US. You should try some internet sleuthing, rakesh
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:59:05 PM No.1421346
>>1421345
>2020 leftist race riots
You can keep trying to pretend there were leftist race riots in 2020, but they didn't exist.
Are you talking about that retard that shot three people during a protest? That didn't even start a riot.

I'm not sure you know what a riot is.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:03:12 PM No.1421347
>>1421346
>but they didn't exist
lol
lmao even
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
There you go, Rakesh, educate yourself.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:04:34 PM No.1421348
>>1421244
>>1421250
Wtf does Chuck Yeager have to do with anything? And why do you type like that? Are you a mentally unwell retard? I say Yes. What's your answer, Yes or No?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:04:40 PM No.1421349
>>1421347
>protests
You still don't seem to understand what a riot is, or the difference between a riot and a protest.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:06:53 PM No.1421350
>>1421347
>ACLED found that the overwhelming majority of the more than 9.000 Black Lives Matter demonstrations that took place across the US after the killing of George Floyd have been peaceful.
>News reports at the height of demonstrations over Floyd’s killing cited dozens of deaths in connection with protests, but many of those turned out to be examples of deadly crimes carried out in the vicinity of protests, rather than directly related to the demonstrations themselves, the researchers concluded.

Shills BTFOing themselves with their own links is a /news/ tradition at this point.
Thanks for showing the George Floyd protests weren't riots, you miserable faggot
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:38:14 PM No.1421351
>>1421350
He's just happy you keep bumping his thread. He would be replying to himself if you didn't.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:42:57 PM No.1421352
>>1421350
>>1421349
Oh well because there existed some protests that were peaceful I guess that excuses all the murders that happened during the leftist race riots
Leftist logic is abhorrent
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:43:26 PM No.1421353
>>1421352
Are you talking about the Boogaloo Riots?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:50:56 PM No.1421355
>>1421353
No I'm talking about reality and not your headcanon nor your attempts at gaslighting
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:08:00 PM No.1421356
>>1421355
>No I'm talking about reality
You're not, because reality is that the protests were all mostly peaceful and you're hallucinating all the murders you're talking about.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:09:45 PM No.1421357
>>1421355
Thousands of protests across the country for months and yes some bad actors show up just like always. Assholes are attracted to any gathering.


This is comparable to mass shootings and political violence, which is almost always carried out by a right wing nut job, and no, shootings by gang members do not come close to the mass killings committed by white conservative men, and are also usually confined to other gang members. Where white conservative shooters target innocent people and children, usually at schools.

So you are wrong twice. Wrong in your desire to associate every bad act during literally months of peaceful protests as representative of all protestors, while you simultaneously attempt to say every single white conservative shooter is an individual and not representative of the violent conservative right. Which is just ridiculous if you spend 5 minutes on 4-Chan and see the slew of your white conservative cohorts talking about all the violence they wish on non whites and women.


So TLDR… cope and seethe bigot. The BLM protests against systemic bigotry where not violent and no cities burned down, but white conservatives are planning and committing attacks across our country every day.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:23:18 PM No.1421358
>>1421356
>you're hallucinating all the murders you're talking about.
11 murders, 14 other related deaths
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

Your lies don't work here.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:35:22 PM No.1421360
>>1421358
So less violence was committed during literally 10 months of protests by millions of protests in the streets across the country daily, then one night when a team wins a sports championship…https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/14/sport/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-super-bowl-patrick-mahomes-spt-intl#:~:text=Children's%20Mercy%20Hospital%20received%2012,fans%20after%20the%20parade%20ended.

Sounds like the scope and duration of the BLM protests puts the violence compared to total participation at .000001 % of people.

But again, tell us about how these numbers tell you that white conservative violence is not a big deal compared to liberal protests… clown ass mother fucker.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:37:43 PM No.1421361
>>1421358
Feel free to claim you didn't post it, but either way your shill buddy literally just debunked that bullshit while trying to force the same lie

>>1421347
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
>News reports at the height of demonstrations over Floyd’s killing cited dozens of deaths in connection with protests, but many of those turned out to be examples of deadly crimes carried out in the vicinity of protests, rather than directly related to the demonstrations themselves, the researchers concluded.

Do you have a reason why these murders should be lumped in with the peaceful protests that doesn't involve your ongoing brain problems or paid shilling?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:41:18 PM No.1421362
>>1421360
Wow no need to have a melty, at least you admitted there were 25 deaths related to the BLM riots.

Although I have *no idea* why you decided to pivot to an unrelated story of some black people shooting up a football event
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:42:27 PM No.1421363
>>1421361
>Do you have a reason why these murders should be lumped in with the peaceful protests
Ask the person who wrote the article, not me, I'm just sharing facts with you.
It seems to be widely reported and understood that all these deaths are related to the BLM riots.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:45:11 PM No.1421364
>>1421362
>>1421363
Ah, so you can't read and you're deliberately posting articles that refute your brainrotted points because you have mental problems.

I'd suggest going to see a mental health professional and getting yourself diagnosed, because if you believe that those deaths are attributed to the BLM riots you are literally out of touch with reality.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:48:04 PM No.1421365
>>1421364
Can't read what? The article says that 25 people were killed during the BLM riots.
And then you posted an article about a black dude shooting up a football event like it's some kind of gotcha.

Seek help, anon
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:50:13 PM No.1421366
>>1421365
try to read >>1421361 again, get your English tutor to help if you're having problems
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:38:44 PM No.1421367
leftists only destroy
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:55:14 PM No.1421368
>>1421366
Just read it again.
Is still says that 25 people were killed during BLM rioting.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:57:40 PM No.1421369
>>1421368
I'm sorry that your shilling requires you to be deliberately retarded.

Its stated clearly in the article:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
>News reports at the height of demonstrations over Floyd’s killing cited dozens of deaths in connection with protests, but many of those turned out to be examples of deadly crimes carried out in the vicinity of protests, rather than directly related to the demonstrations themselves, the researchers concluded.
Replies: >>1421370 >>1421371 >>1421373
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:04:31 PM No.1421370
>>1421369
The ACLED found the true number, minus erroneous reporting, is 25, and the guardian is reporting that finding. The sentence you cherry-picked is literally implying you that a number greater than 25 has been found by others, but they believe the true number is 25.


Do you even actually read what you're posting or do you just skim through an article until you find a sentence that sounds like you agree with it and then you post it without the context?

I highly encourage you to try reading the article
Replies: >>1421372
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:07:00 PM No.1421371
>>1421369
>At least 11 Americans have been killed while participating in political demonstrations this year and another 14 have died in other incidents linked to political unrest, according to new data from a non-profit monitoring political unrest in the United States.
Yes, he were correct, people have disagreed on the true number of deaths, and the guardian is reporting that the true number is 25, as found by a neutral third party, and not greater as some other people have reported in the past
Replies: >>1421372
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:07:58 PM No.1421372
>>1421370
>>1421371
So you're coping now that its been proved that 25 murders that happened sorta near nationwide protests don't have anything to do with the protests, and don't make them violent riots?
Replies: >>1421374
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:08:48 PM No.1421373
>>1421369
>At least 11 Americans have been killed while participating in political demonstrations this year and another 14 have died in other incidents linked to political unrest, according to new data from a non-profit monitoring political unrest in the United States.
Yes, you are correct, people have disagreed on the true number of deaths, and the guardian is reporting that the true number is 25, as found by a neutral third party, and not greater as some other people have reported in the past, as the guardian claims they have misattributed those deaths and they were caused by something other than the BLM race riots
Replies: >>1421375
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:09:48 PM No.1421374
>>1421372
>don't have anything to do with the protests
Well you just made this part up, if you just want to lie and gaslight you should try out /pol/, it might be more your speed. Your lies don't work here
Replies: >>1421376
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:10:08 PM No.1421375
>>1421373
>the BLM race riots
what now? Are you making up fake things that didn't happen again?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:11:50 PM No.1421376
>>1421374
try reading >>1421361 again, get your English tutor to help if you're having problems
Replies: >>1421379
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:12:44 PM No.1421377
>>1421241 (OP)
immigrants are not the cause of the lowering of our standards of living, anon.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:54:37 PM No.1421378
>>1421348
Chuck Yeager and the French Resistance fought & killed terrorists. White rightard ones. That has to do with more than everything.
My answer to your question is No. Because I'm not a mentally unwell rightard that thinks the way you do.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:55:35 PM No.1421379
>>1421376
Just read it a third time
The ACLED determined that 25 people died as a result of the BLM race riots, and determined that some other deaths which had been reported by various news media seems unrelated.

Looks like 25 is the official murder count for the BLM Race Riots '20 as reported by The Guardian
Replies: >>1421380 >>1421386
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:58:03 PM No.1421380
>>1421379
try reading >>1421361 (You) again, get your English tutor to help if you're having problems

You also keep bringing up imaginary riots, your hallucinations aren't reality. Listen to your doctor.
Replies: >>1421381
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:07:29 PM No.1421381
>>1421380
Since you can't read, I'll do you a solid and paste the relevant portions
>At least 11 Americans have been killed while participating in political demonstrations this year and another 14 have died in other incidents linked to the political unrest, according to new data from a non-profit monitoring political unrest in the United States.

>Nine of the people killed during protests were demonstrators taking part in Black Lives Matter protests. Two were conservatives killed after pro-Trump “patriot rallies”. All but one were killed by fellow citizens.

>The new data highlights the danger of the presence of guns during politically charged protests, and raises concerns about continued violence during and after election day, when many Americans anticipate delays, confusion and protests before the winner of the presidential race is confirmed.

>Violence at US protests
>The new data on fatalities and violence at American protests comes from a database created by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data project (ACLED), a non-profit, working in collaboration with a group of researchers at Princeton.

Man.
I guess 25 people really were murdered as the result of the BLM Race Riot. The new data proves it.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:10:43 PM No.1421382
1421381
>they really were BLM riots, and people really were murdered
>no I don't have any sources
>yes I keep inserting the words 'riot' and murder' because they don't exist in anything I'm quoting
How much do you get paid? You're not doing a great job.
Replies: >>1421383 >>1421384 >>1421389
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:12:38 PM No.1421383
>>1421382
they're not getting paid, they just have a pathological need to defend pedophiles because, like Trump and most of the GOP, they're a pedophile
Replies: >>1421384 >>1421389
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:25:48 PM No.1421384
>>1421383
>>1421382
25 murdered as a result of the BLM Race Riots.
The sooner you come to grips with this widely reported fact, the sooner you can move on with your life and people life me won't be able to laugh at you as much, you lolcow
Replies: >>1421385 >>1421386
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:32:18 PM No.1421385
>>1421384
we've heard your script a thousand times, faggot. get a real job and stop running damage control for billionaire pedophiles
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:32:25 PM No.1421386
>>1421379
>>1421384
There were 15 million people in those protests. At the lowest estimate. 25 people ain't shit.
Replies: >>1421387 >>1421388
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:43:09 PM No.1421387
>>1421386
MAGAfags are very proud of the 25 people they killed near the BLM protests that they failed to turn into riots, and they're very proud of their murders.

Almost as much as they're proud of defending pedophiles, and fucking kids directly
Replies: >>1421389
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:35:58 AM No.1421388
>>1421386
Ah, so we've pivoted away from "25 people weren't murdered during the BLM Race Riots" and now we are at "only 25 murders was an acceptable death toll for the BLM Race Riots"
Replies: >>1421390 >>1421433
Anonymous !./retard..
7/22/2025, 12:40:14 AM No.1421389
>>1421387
>>1421383
>>1421382
This! So much this!
There were no r*ce riots, but there WERE the BOOGALOO BOYS riots!
Replies: >>1421390
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:44:07 AM No.1421390
>>1421388
>>1421389
stop samefagging and try not to drive your car into protesters in a murderous rage, fascist faggot
Replies: >>1421391 >>1421397 >>1421408
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:02:59 AM No.1421391
>>1421390
He's not samefagging but he's right you know.
Replies: >>1421392
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:03:39 AM No.1421392
>>1421391
you're a faggot and you should stop samefagging, but you won't stop doing either
Replies: >>1421393 >>1421408
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:04:00 AM No.1421393
>>1421392
Why are you so angry?
Replies: >>1421394
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:05:16 AM No.1421394
>>1421393
i'm not angry, faggot, just stating facts
Replies: >>1421395
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:07:30 AM No.1421395
>>1421394
You're clearly seething and lashing out at everyone by wrongly calling them samefags. it's not our fault you were indoctrinated to believe a bunch of untrue crap about "BLM riots".
Replies: >>1421396
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:09:13 AM No.1421396
>>1421395
are you trying to convince us your tantrum is somehow mine, faggot?
Replies: >>1421398 >>1421408
Anonymous !./retard..
7/22/2025, 1:15:20 AM No.1421397
>>1421390
I wasn't samefagging THOUGH
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:23:20 AM No.1421398
>>1421396
No one here needs convincing. You started melting down when someone dared to contravene your programming. No one else calls them "BLM riots" but terminally online chuds, and you're the only one here calling the Floyd protests "BLM riots".
Replies: >>1421399 >>1421408
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:24:20 AM No.1421399
>>1421398
are you pretending to be on my side or are you just confused. either way it's fine honestly
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:32:40 AM No.1421400
I wonder how many Republicans commit arson during a protest for the insurance money... uh, i-it w-was those protesters that burned down my failing business, glad my insurance was paid up... sure thing, honest Abe. Now hold still while I stick this hot needle in your eye.
Replies: >>1421401
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:34:16 AM No.1421401
>>1421400
Its the same group of people who clap when someone fails to train a dog, drives it out to a gravel pit, and then murders it for no reason.

MAGA also approves of fucking kids, so maybe they're just all brain damaged
Replies: >>1421404
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:01:20 AM No.1421404
>>1421401
we truly live in an era where maga would go watch old yeller as a comedy. what a world, what a life
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:17:26 AM No.1421408
>>1421392
>>1421390
>>1421396
>>1421398
absolutely unhinged
Replies: >>1421427
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:18:52 AM No.1421409
failed astroturf campaign trying to make 'blm riots' a phrase
lmao, go home glowie
Replies: >>1421412
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:25:48 AM No.1421412
>>1421409
I'm sorry, are you still mad that 25 people were murdered as a result of the BLM Race Riots?
You might try therapy
Replies: >>1421413 >>1421414
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:26:47 AM No.1421413
>>1421412
Weird headcanon you have there
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:27:29 AM No.1421414
>>1421412
you have been a faggot long enough to make up for faggotry twenty five fold
Replies: >>1421424
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:19:18 AM No.1421424
>>1421414
>you have been a faggot long enough to make up for faggotry
Maybe you should calm down, I know that it sucks 25 people were murdered during the course of the BLM Race Riots of 2020, but you aren't make sense anymore
Replies: >>1421425
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:36:59 AM No.1421425
>>1421424
>MOOOOOOOOM, I'M TROLLING TWO LIBS BY TELLING THEM 25 PEOPLE WERE MURDERED DURING THE BLM RACE RIOTS
>THE BLM RACE RIOTS
>IN 2020
>THEY WEREN'T PEACEFUL MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM 25 PEOPLE DIED
Replies: >>1421426
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:48:39 AM No.1421426
>>1421425
another lefty melty, sweet!
Replies: >>1421428
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:48:43 AM No.1421427
>>1421408
Reality seems unhinged when you're in a cult.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:50:15 AM No.1421428
>>1421426
Do you think everyone you respond to is a "lefty"?
Replies: >>1421451
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:05:45 AM No.1421433
>>1421388
>pivoted
NTA.
>only 25 murders was an acceptable death toll for the BLM Race Riots
That's not what I said.
Replies: >>1421434 >>1421435
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:08:46 AM No.1421434
>>1421433
>25 murders was an acceptable death toll for the BLM Race Riots
>That's not what I said.
Oh your right.
You said "25 ain't shit"
Replies: >>1421436
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:10:04 AM No.1421435
>>1421433
>>only 25 murders was an acceptable death toll for the BLM Race Riots
>That's not what I said.
they're just coping that the Floyd Protests weren't violent, copkilling riots like Jan 6th was.
probably because of the lateterm syphilis they got from the child prostitude they fucked with their maga buddies
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:13:07 AM No.1421436
>>1421434
In the context of classifying these as violent, or as riots at all, yes.
Replies: >>1421437
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:41:16 AM No.1421437
>>1421436
Every small town I went to which was protesting was protesting peaceful. Every small gathering of people I saw protesting was peaceful.
But damn, I still have pictures of going thru downtown after a BLM riot swept thru the previous weekend and literally entire streets are smashed up and spray painted.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:29:07 AM No.1421446
>>1421348
>And why do you type like that? Are you a mentally unwell retard? I say Yes. What's your answer, Yes or No?

lol
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:45:08 AM No.1421451
>>1421428
Not him, lefties tend to melt down a lot when you call them out on their bullshit.
Replies: >>1421469
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:42:04 AM No.1421469
>>1421451
MAGAtards are in a condition worse than Chernobyl after being called out on enabling their Pedo-in-Chief
Replies: >>1421471 >>1421472
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:49:41 AM No.1421470
>>1421244
you're a terrorist and deserve to be in a padded room
Replies: >>1421474
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:51:29 AM No.1421471
>>1421469
whose in power right now dipshit? your end is near
Replies: >>1421474
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:06:20 PM No.1421472
>>1421469
Oh so that's why they're running around shooting police and ICE agents - oh wait, that's the left.
Replies: >>1421474 >>1421483
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:40:08 PM No.1421474
>>1421470
>>1421471
>>1421472
You're not american
Replies: >>1421479
Anonymous !./retard..
7/22/2025, 4:35:13 PM No.1421479
>>1421474
hahaha! It's so funny when you say this!
Antifa
7/22/2025, 4:42:12 PM No.1421480
nothing wrong with killing sadistic psychopathic subhumans like Republicans and cops. Thats been my position ever since I could talk in full sentences before kindergarten over 3 decades ago. And no, I dont give a damm about your so called morality and incomprehensible laws; Causing a collapse of government into purge-style anarchy has been my lifelong dream/goal.
Replies: >>1421482 >>1421488
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:47:47 PM No.1421482
>>1421480
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the average democrat voter.
Replies: >>1421494
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:47:57 PM No.1421483
>>1421472
no one cares about your made up attacks on ICE
Replies: >>1421486
Antifa
7/22/2025, 4:53:22 PM No.1421485
I didnt realize the average democrat voter is also a jew raised in Tel aviv like me, where I was taught every year on Holocaust rememberance day to kill Nazis, where the IDF teaches how to build molotov cocktails in boot camp which every 18 year old adult goes through.
Replies: >>1421487
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:02:36 PM No.1421486
>>1421483
It's literally in the OP retard.
Replies: >>1421490 >>1421491
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:04:38 PM No.1421487
>>1421485
>claims to be jewish
>also claims to like killing cops, wants to collapse the government and live in a purge-style anarchy
Interesting.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:22:30 PM No.1421488
>>1421480
typical leftists and you're wondering why no one takes you seriously anymore, you shouldn't be allowed to vote
Replies: >>1421494
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:31:32 PM No.1421490
>>1421486
He is indeed a retard.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:48:11 PM No.1421491
>>1421486
You mean the staged attack to trick shills into accepting pedophilia?
Only MAGAfags care. America wants to get rid of pedophiles like Trump, Vance, and all the other GOP pedophiles.
You're not going to be able to protect kid fuckers much longer, glowie
Replies: >>1421492
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:57:07 PM No.1421492
>>1421491
Funny, I don't hear a lot of outrage from the left after we found out he fucked his daughter. No instead you simp faggots defended him sniffing 10 year old girls on national television.
Replies: >>1421493 >>1421534
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:58:26 PM No.1421493
>>1421492
No ones defending Trump raping his daughter or other girls except you
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:16:45 PM No.1421494
>>1421482
>>1421488
>those that won't condemn the terrorist attack on the capitol building in early 2021
Trumptards. Terrorism condoners.
Replies: >>1421497 >>1421506
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:25:16 PM No.1421497
>>1421494
I've already condemned Jan 6th you fucking moron. We had an impeccable record of not acting like leftists until those dumbass boomers fucked it all up - and even then they still caused a fraction of damage as the average "fiery but peaceful" protest with no arsons and the only person shot and killed was an unarmed white woman by police (of course no whining about police brutality from the left).

Nobody told those stupid fucks that only the left can get away with shit like that... like when they tried to storm the White House to kill Trump on May 30th 2020.
Replies: >>1421498 >>1421512
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:31:20 PM No.1421498
>>1421497
>they tried to storm the White House to kill Trump on May 30th 2020
You're still making up fake events
How much lead paint have you smoked?
Replies: >>1421503
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:39:10 PM No.1421503
>>1421498
>They threw molotovs at National Guard, injured 60+ Secret Service and burned down two buildings while chanting how they wanted to kill Trump, who was relocated to a bunker with his family over that event (and later mocked for by Biden, politicians and media pundits), because they just wanted to shake his hand
>durr fake news
Actually I want whatever you're smoking right now.
Replies: >>1421507
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:46:01 PM No.1421506
>>1421494
I condemn them now what are you going to do about your group of domestic terrorists destroying nyc property? did you condemn them no you fucking gaslighting retard tried to pretend it never happened. how about the nationwide attacks on tesla a car your fucking side told people "you were being selfish if you didn't buy one don't you care about the environment" fuck off you disgusting hypocrite
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:51:59 PM No.1421507
>>1421503
weird that this happened just outside the white house and we have no video footage

Or not really, you're just making shit up to distract from Trump fucking kids. Why do you support pedophilia so much?
Replies: >>1421508 >>1421511
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:53:59 PM No.1421508
>>1421507
>i didn't see it so it didn't happen.
apply the same logic to epstein you dipshit
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:57:34 PM No.1421511
>>1421507
>weird that this happened just outside the white house and we have no video footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiHp9ed4erM
Here's one of many to start you off with. I know leftists are too retarded to use basic search engines to look shit up... I mean hell look at how badly you subhumans fucked up with the Rittenhouse trial because you couldn't google whether he crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
Replies: >>1421515
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:58:02 PM No.1421512
>>1421497
>Impeccable record
>What was the Unite the Right car attack
>What was the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting
>What was the Oklahoma City bombing
Yeah... real impeccable.
Replies: >>1421513 >>1421516
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:59:24 PM No.1421513
>>1421512
leftists are unequivocally the party who cause the majority of political violence, your nitpicking bullshit won't work
Replies: >>1421571
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:01:59 PM No.1421515
>>1421511
>because you couldn't google whether he crossed state lines
Rittenhouse did cross state lines though. No ones debating this except you, because your mental illness makes you think shill news is real
Replies: >>1421516
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:08:21 PM No.1421516
>>1421512
>What was the Unite the Right car attack
One person. Not a riotous mob attacking people and looting stores like the average BLM (((protest))).
>What was the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting
Again, not a mob of rioting right-wingers.
>What was the Oklahoma City bombing
Once again, not a mob of rioters on the right.

I feel like we're having a communication breakdown. Let me try to make it as simple as I can for people like you:

The left can riot and get away with it. The right cannot.

>>1421515
Notice how you left out the part about carrying a rifle across state lines? Typical bad-faith whoreshit from the left.
Replies: >>1421517 >>1421519
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:12:08 PM No.1421517
>>1421516
Keep moving the goalposts, faggot
Rittenhouse did cross state lines
Now you just need to stop defending Trump fucking kids. Just denounce pedophilia, its not hard
Replies: >>1421518 >>1421528
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:13:35 PM No.1421518
>>1421517
>I mean hell look at how badly you subhumans fucked up with the Rittenhouse trial because you couldn't google whether he crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
>because you couldn't google whether he crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
>crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
I know. Reading is hard for democrats. Don't worry, I'll help you through this difficult time.
Replies: >>1421520
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:14:22 PM No.1421519
>>1421516
>The left can riot and get away with it
only shills and non-americans care about imaginary riots
Real riots in real life have consequences, like Jan 6th
Replies: >>1421521
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:16:20 PM No.1421520
>>1421518
>he didn't cross state lines!
>okay, he crossed state lines, but he didn't have a rifle?
cope harder
Replies: >>1421522
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:18:12 PM No.1421521
>>1421519
Apparently $1.6 billion in property damage, dozens killed, and the FBI losing track of the number of arsons across America in half a year doesn't qualify as consequences to democrats. But I'm sure those former small business minorities feel the same way after you burned down their stores.
Replies: >>1421523 >>1421525
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:20:19 PM No.1421522
>>1421520
>>he didn't cross state lines!
Which I didn't say. Again, I know reading is very hard for you. Let me post the line again.
>I mean hell look at how badly you subhumans fucked up with the Rittenhouse trial because you couldn't google whether he crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
>because you couldn't google whether he crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
>crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
Do you notice there's a "with" after the word "lines"? Yes or no. Depending on your answer, we'll move on to the next part of that sentence. We have to go one step at a time for people with special minds like you.
Replies: >>1421524
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:21:14 PM No.1421523
>>1421521
big if true, source?
I'm not expecting much, since the proof provided for murders happening during the George Floyd protests said that they weren't connected to the protests, and proof that the white house was attacked showed people not attacking the white house.

So I guess you have a lot of videos of a peaceful protest not burning down buildings?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:24:03 PM No.1421524
>>1421522
You already admitted Rittenhouse crossed state lines. Stop deflecting and just admit it again.
The sooner you come to terms with the fact that he was in one state and went to another, then we can start talking in reality.
Replies: >>1421526 >>1421529 >>1421546
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:26:20 PM No.1421525
>>1421521
you are arguing with a person who is willfully retarded and purposefully ignores the large sum of evidence and widely reported facts you are referencing
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:27:38 PM No.1421526
>>1421524
I'm sorry, that wasn't a yes or a no. Let's try this again.
>crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
Do you notice there's a "with" after the word "lines"?

Yes or no.
Replies: >>1421527
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:29:09 PM No.1421527
>>1421526
So did Rittenhouse cross state lines or not?
Yes or no?
You keep dodging this question, maybe you're afraid of the answer
Replies: >>1421531
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:31:39 PM No.1421528
>>1421517
crossing state lines isn't illegal you fucking retard, he didn't weapon smuggle either.

Sure we denounce it now you do it too and stop pretending you're innocent you disgusting wretched hivemind
Replies: >>1421530
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:34:13 PM No.1421529
>>1421524
How far did he travel regardless of state lines? I mean did he live in a town on the border of a state in which most people dual state their lives or did he travel to a place he never goes normally. Look at the intent morally and not the technobabble pedo Fed's viewpoint(which is wholly one-sided evil)
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:34:25 PM No.1421530
>>1421528
So you're physically incapable of saying whether Rittenhouse crossed state lines or not?
Its not a hard question. No one else is debating this but you.
Replies: >>1421532 >>1421535
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:34:49 PM No.1421531
>>1421527
Yes he did, but not with a rifle. Contrary to what everyone on the left thought they knew. Also fun fact: he only briefly crossed state lines to Illinois with his friends who were getting gear to guard car source after the owner asked them to, and then crossed back into Wisconsin. He was already in Kenosha before the riots started.

LMAO but I'm sure you already knew that, right?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:35:27 PM No.1421532
>>1421530
you're the only dipshit who thinks that's illegal lol, also funny how you love to martyr the sex pests who tried to rape and violate him looks like there's only 1 party that loves pedophilia YOURS you fucking dipshit leftard
Replies: >>1421533
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:36:41 PM No.1421533
>>1421532
>there's only 1 party that loves pedophilia
Yep, the GOP, who literally just shut down congress and took a 5 week vacation because they don't want to hurt kid fuckers >>1421500
Replies: >>1421536
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:37:06 PM No.1421534
>>1421492
Funny, how both sides think they can make amends by pointing fingers... both will pay in full.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:37:24 PM No.1421535
>>1421530
That's another person you're replying to, Anon. It's okay, differentiating between posters is a more advanced skill and I'm still trying to teach you basic reading comprehension. Don't worry, we'll get you up to speed after a few months of repetition.

Now, since I answered your question, can you answer mine:
>crossed state lines with a rifle or not.
Do you notice there's a "with" after the word "lines"?

Yes or no.
Replies: >>1421537
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:38:25 PM No.1421536
>>1421533
you're literally defending sex pests and convicted rapists when you attack rittenhouse but go ahead with your muh muh trump epstein shit. typical self-projection you disgusting rapist.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:38:58 PM No.1421537
>>1421535
You're still dodging the question. Why are you so evasive on this?
Did Rittenhouse cross state lines? Everyone including Rittenhouse can easily answer 'yes'. Why can't you give me a Yes or No?
Replies: >>1421538 >>1421540 >>1421543
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:40:12 PM No.1421538
>>1421537
typical leftist illiteracy smh, just off yourself alerady you're too vile a human being I hope your parents suffer for bring such evil into the world
Replies: >>1421541
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:40:24 PM No.1421539
I love you all. However, that will not spare you from punishment.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:41:29 PM No.1421540
>>1421537
>You're still dodging the question.
I'm not though. I know, we're working on your reading comprehension. Let me post my answer again.

Yes he did, but not with a rifle.

Let me know which part of this you're confused about. Hang in there!
Replies: >>1421549
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:41:32 PM No.1421541
>>1421538
>yes, Rittenhouse did cross state lines. He admitted to it in court. No one disputed it except me, because I'm getting paid to shill and dispute reality
Just copy and paste the above. Then you can join the rest of the world in acknowledging that Rittenhouse crossed state lines.
Replies: >>1421542
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:42:35 PM No.1421542
>>1421541
just admit you're a sex pest whose terrified of being shot for being a disgusting human being. we need more rittenhouses to stop people like you disgusting sealioning
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:42:36 PM No.1421543
>>1421537
How about this, anon... double jeopardy. He was already found not guilty by a court so the point is moot. Perhaps you're using it as deflection. Or you do not understand what you have submitted yourself to? Your law also says ignorance is not an excuse.
Replies: >>1421544 >>1421545
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:44:33 PM No.1421544
>>1421543
Its not illegal to cross state lines, why are you bringing up double jeopardy?.
Its weird that you're having so much trouble saying that Rittenhouse crossed state lines.
Replies: >>1421547 >>1421549
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:46:03 PM No.1421545
>>1421543
I want to see more accountability when at senate hearings. This "I don't know" doesn't count, ignorance is not an excuse... especially when overseeing said operation is their job. Cut out their tongue to save their souls. Lying hellbound fucks
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:46:32 PM No.1421546
>>1421524
Bro please take meds you shit up this board so much is unreal.
Nobody cares that he crossed state lines except for the liberal news pundits when it happened, and the retards that watched them
because it's totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the dude traveled from Australia. He was attacked by violent leftists during a BLM riot and a jury found that he was justified to having defended himself himself with lethal force.
Replies: >>1421548
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:47:53 PM No.1421547
>>1421544
Prosecutor should have had this charge with the other charges otherwise it would look 100% retaliatory after he was found not guilty. You're just trying to nitpick some little aspect. Please shut your fucking mouth.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:48:37 PM No.1421548
>>1421546
>Nobody cares that he crossed state lines
So yes, he crossed state lines?
Or are you going to pretend you didn't say he crossed state lines?
Just a Yes or No. 2-3 characters. Its not hard.
Replies: >>1421550
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:49:39 PM No.1421549
>>1421544
>Its weird that you're having so much trouble saying that Rittenhouse crossed state lines.
Oh Anon! Look over here! >>1421540

Look! Look! Do you see it? It might be difficult. Let me know how I can help you.
Replies: >>1421552 >>1421555
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:53:31 PM No.1421550
>>1421548
Yes you faggot, he crossed state lines and was attacked by a violent mob of leftists at one of the many BLM Race Riots.

He had to shoot and kill an insane person much like yourself, and a jury determined that he was justified in shooting this person who was acting much like you are now
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:54:40 PM No.1421552
>>1421549
Its weird that you can type all those words, but can't just say Yes or No that Rittenhouse crossed state lines.
Replies: >>1421553 >>1421554
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:55:26 PM No.1421553
>>1421552
He clearly said "yes" in that post you raging retard. Try learning to read English
Replies: >>1421555
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:55:55 PM No.1421554
>>1421552
*sigh* We've got so much work to do with your reading comprehension.......

Oh I know! Why don't you type back what I said in that post. Let's try that.
Replies: >>1421559
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:57:08 PM No.1421555
>>1421553
I know english isn't your first language, but the word 'yes' literally isn't in this post >>1421549
You're making a lot of posts to dodge the question. Its just three letters.
Replies: >>1421557 >>1421558
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:01:55 PM No.1421557
>>1421555
"Yes" would be in there if you read the post it links to
But you are a retard. A standard leftist retard. I hope you don't set any dumpsters on fire and attack any armed children the next time you are rioting with your buddies.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:04:04 PM No.1421558
>>1421555
It's really entertaining when retards like you purposely try to act even dumber than you already are.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:05:59 PM No.1421559
>>1421554
>Yes, Rittenhouse crossed state lines
>I made 30 posts denying that he did because I'm a retard who loves attention
Same amount of characters as your post, but it answers the question instead of going into a shill deflection.
Try it, maybe?
Replies: >>1421560 >>1421561
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:07:57 PM No.1421560
>>1421559
*long sigh* No anon, that's wrong. You need to type back exactly what I said in that post. I believe in you. I know you can do it. Try again.
Replies: >>1421561 >>1421565
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:08:57 PM No.1421561
>>1421559
>>Yes, Rittenhouse crossed state lines
>>1421560
>No anon, that's wrong
hint: he did
why are you so fucking stupid?
Replies: >>1421564 >>1421568
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:13:11 PM No.1421564
>>1421561
That is still not exactly what I said Anon. I can see you're getting overloaded. Let's try this one more time and then we'll take a break to let you recover.

Last chance. Give it your best shot. Type out exactly what I said in that post without leaving any words out.
Replies: >>1421566 >>1421568
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:13:59 PM No.1421565
>>1421560
At this point he's just acting like a child looking for attention.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:15:12 PM No.1421566
>>1421564
Honestly just stop engaging with him. Insult his intelligence and move on with your day.
He does this all the time on this board, I think he finds joy acting like a mentally disabled 5 year old
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:17:48 PM No.1421568
>>1421564
Alright, lets play the stupid shill game and see where your retardation takes us.

>>1421561
>Type out exactly what I said in that post without leaving any words out.

In that post, your words were:
>No anon, that's wrong
in reference to >>Yes, Rittenhouse crossed state lines

He did cross state lines though, so you're just denying reality. Rittenhouse admitted to it, no ones hiding that fact.
Why do you have to pretend he didn't cross state lines?
Replies: >>1421570
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:20:32 PM No.1421570
>>1421568
Tsk tsk... Well I think you've stressed yourself out enough. Time for you to take a nap and rest your tired head. We'll try again in a few hours.
Replies: >>1421572
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:20:58 PM No.1421571
>>1421513
Then where are they? Would you like to list some tragedies committed by Leftists? Because I have far more than 3 examples of Right wingers killing people.
Replies: >>1421581
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:21:41 PM No.1421572
>>1421570
Okay, take a few hours then. Do whatever research you think you need.
All you gotta do is either type 'Yes' or 'No' when you get back.
Takes most people a few seconds.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:43:24 PM No.1421581
>>1421571
>Would you like to list some tragedies committed by Leftists?
Stalin? The Holodomor, the gulag system, ethnic cleansing, the Katyn Massacre, etc. etc. I mean it's only what 20-30 million dead. No big deal.
Replies: >>1421582 >>1421591
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:45:19 PM No.1421582
>>1421581
Hey there budderoo! Looks like you posted a bunch of crimes committed by right wing fascists and attributed them incorrectly to leftists!
Touch some grass, stop raping kids, and maybe you'll stop posting stupid shit on the internet one day.
Replies: >>1421583 >>1421584
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:47:07 PM No.1421583
>>1421582
>Stalin
>communism
>right-wing
lol
Replies: >>1421586
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:47:10 PM No.1421584
>>1421582
Those crimes were committed by communists tho. A far left wing ideology.

Although I don't blame you for confusing the far left with the far right. they are nearly indistinguishable when taken at face value
Replies: >>1421585
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:48:16 PM No.1421585
>>1421584
Pull the other one, next you'll say something equally retarded like the Nazis were lefists
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:48:45 PM No.1421586
>>1421583
Honestly just stop engaging with him.
He is a retard, and he enjoys acting like an idiot when someone btfo's him (which often happens)

I think after he's lost an argument, the only way he can satisfy himself is by acting dangerously retarded in the hopes of upsetting the person who blew him the fuck out
Replies: >>1421587 >>1421588
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:51:06 PM No.1421587
>>1421586
why are you having such a serious melty over having to admit that Rittenhouse crossed state lines?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:51:19 PM No.1421588
>>1421586
There's nothing else going on in /news/. Unfortunately this retard is the only one posting anything. Yes it's shit, but it's the only shit on this board to work with.
Replies: >>1421589 >>1421590
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:54:39 PM No.1421589
>>1421588
We could just discuss something that angers him that he's trying to distract from
Such as the dozens of deaths and $1bn+ in damages caused by the violent leftists during the BLM Race Riots of 2020.

I can share some photos if you want.
Replies: >>1421592
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:54:45 PM No.1421590
>>1421588
they've been doing it all thread
first trying to push BLM riots and claiming people were murdered during the Floyd protests, now this Rittenhouse shit
Replies: >>1421594
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:56:57 PM No.1421591
>>1421581
Authoritarianism isn't glorified by the majority of leftists (unless we are talking about tankies, who are deranged), so trying to gaslight people to think that someone advocating for racial equality would somehow agree with the Soviets waging wars on countries that didn't want to give up their land is beyond dumb.
Replies: >>1421596
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:57:26 PM No.1421592
>>1421589
Yeah we tried that earlier. He doesn't think that happened. Hence the whole "lefties can't into google" that ended with the Rittenhouse subject.
Replies: >>1421594 >>1421599
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:58:17 PM No.1421594
>>1421590
>>1421592
Samefag
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:59:28 PM No.1421596
>>1421591
>the people who want to control what you do, say, think or own aren't glorifying authoritarianism
Sure anon, whatever you say. Just like Stalin wasn't on the left.
Replies: >>1421598 >>1421609
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:00:45 PM No.1421598
>>1421596
>Just like Stalin wasn't on the left.
Weird that you can admit to that, but not that Rittenhouse crossed state lines or the 2020 BLM race riots happened
Replies: >>1421601
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:01:33 PM No.1421599
>>1421592
Hold up I'll share some personal photos. During COVID I rode cross country on my bike and I happened to be in both Denver and Sacramento the weekend there were Race Riots taking place. I have photos of afterwards if the buildings that had all been smashed into And boarded up.

I'll grab them from my drive, gimme like 15 minutes
Replies: >>1421604
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:02:30 PM No.1421601
>>1421598
Anon I know you're dumb, but do you expect me to believe you don't know what sarcasm is?
Stalin is left-wing. He also killed between 20 and 30 million people.
Replies: >>1421603 >>1421604 >>1421605
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:12:18 PM No.1421603
>>1421601
Here's one of Denver. They broke the windows for the local news paper and I'm not sure why there's a huge amount of rubbish everywhere. I'm guessing it's from cleaning up after the BLM Race Riot but before garbage men could coqme
Replies: >>1421604 >>1421606 >>1421607 >>1421610
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:13:19 PM No.1421604
>>1421603
>>1421599
>>1421601
Whoops
https://files.catbox.moe/ddzl4r.jpg
Replies: >>1421617
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:13:30 PM No.1421605
>>1421601
>Stalin is left-wing
Big if true
I didn't know facists were left wing, what with so many right wingers being facists.
Seriously, right wingers hate leftists so much they'll support child fuckers out of spite.
Replies: >>1421608
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:14:35 PM No.1421606
>>1421603
I think this was the Denver city hall
https://files.catbox.moe/u0ayrl.jpg
Replies: >>1421617
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:16:46 PM No.1421607
>>1421603
This one must have been Sacramento. Its a little difficult to tell from the photo but the sliding doors had been forced open when they broke into the state office, and that's a piece of wood propped against the opening. I remember that when I drove by you could clearly see that that wood was just leaning against the open doorway
https://files.catbox.moe/4qjgnf.jpg
Replies: >>1421617
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:18:07 PM No.1421608
>>1421605
>Big if true
It is. But it's okay, I know most left-wingers can't admit to doing anything wrong even though it happens all the time. Responsibility never was one of their virtues.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:18:25 PM No.1421609
>>1421596
I just said I'm not talking about tankies man, keep up.
Replies: >>1421611
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:18:28 PM No.1421610
>>1421603
Dont remember where this was. But the BLM Race Rioters broke in and from the looks of it tried to steal jewelry. I'd be surprised if they actually had any sitting around though, It was probably a empty shop
https://files.catbox.moe/u12dz5.jpg
Replies: >>1421612 >>1421617
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:20:15 PM No.1421611
>>1421609
>he thinks there's a group of leftists that exist who don't want to control how people behave
Replies: >>1421613
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:21:16 PM No.1421612
>>1421610
Thinking back one of the things I saw. I'm like 90% sure this was in Sacramento, I thought it was wild.
I remember there were a few shops downtown that didn't have boarded up windows (or maybe they did, but that's not important) And they had signs hanging up facing the street that said things like "this is a LGBT/minority owned business and we stand with BLM, please leave us alone"

I thought it was so wild, it's like they were putting up these signs like they were some sort of talisman or good luck charm, hoping it would ward off the BLM Race Rioters
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:21:41 PM No.1421613
>>1421611
>Why do leftists think fucking kids is wrong?
>I thought we live in a democracy
Replies: >>1421614
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:23:01 PM No.1421614
>>1421613
>No we're not authoritarian at all. We just want to control what you own, what you say and who you vote for - and if you disagree then you're a nazi and we'll kill you!
Replies: >>1421615
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:24:57 PM No.1421615
>>1421614
>The left saying I can't fuck kids is authoritarianism
What a wild take
Replies: >>1421622
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:26:15 PM No.1421617
>>1421604
>>1421606
>>1421607
>>1421610
So your violent BLM race riot with arsonists, looters, and murders has no race riots, no rioters, no fire, no looting, and no murders?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:30:53 PM No.1421618
Is this the thread where the chuds argue with the leftist strawmen? Reddit sent me here.
Replies: >>1421621
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:40:26 PM No.1421621
>>1421618
>Reddit sent me here.
You need to go back. GTFO
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:42:05 PM No.1421622
>>1421615
>The left burned down minority-owned businesses to fight pedophilia
I mean it's not the dumbest attempt to downplay 2020 that I've heard...
Replies: >>1421623
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:47:01 PM No.1421623
>>1421622
cool deflection bro
timely with noted leftist Mike Johnson and the for reals leftist GOP taking a five week break to protect pedophiles
Replies: >>1421624
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:48:47 PM No.1421624
>>1421623
>cool deflection bro
Thanks. I'll take that compliment from the king of deflection that's been doing that all morning - even if it meant pretending (I hope) to be a retard.
Replies: >>1421626
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:49:49 PM No.1421625
The George Floyd protests were mostly peaceful. This is an objective fact. Yes, there was some rioting during them and if you look for damage you'll find it, but most of the protesting was still peaceful. No amount of anecdotes or memes is going to change that.
Replies: >>1421628 >>1421629
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:52:32 PM No.1421626
>>1421624
>everyone else on the board is one person
You need help.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:02:22 PM No.1421628
>>1421625
>The George Floyd protests were mostly peaceful.
So was Jan 6th, but the difference is the FBI dropped the fucking hammer on everyone that was there, investigated and searched people who weren't even there, and charged several with seditious conspiracy.

Meanwhile the left starts their own CHAZ zone, larping as commies to the point where they even executed two black teenagers, and yet out of thousands attending that only about 30 got arrested.

May 30th these animals tried to storm the white house to kill Trump and yet only one god damn person was charged with a crime - a lousy destruction of government property charge.

And leftists like Matthew Dolloff shot and killed a man for slapping him in his bitch face - in broad daylight, in a crowd of people, WITH CAMERAS, 20 steps away from a line of police - and yet Colorado prosecutors didn't think there was enough evidence to go to trial. We had no fucking problem going to trial with Rittenhouse even though it was the most obvious case of self-defense in recorded history - along with charging EVERY SINGLE PERSON that ever defended themselves from these "peaceful protesters"... but Dolloff? Meh... Can't be bothered.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Only the left can get away with rioting. The right cannot.
Replies: >>1421630 >>1421631 >>1421632 >>1421721
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:04:04 PM No.1421629
>>1421625
the maga matrix is entirely severed from objective reality, unfortunately
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:05:05 PM No.1421630
>>1421628
stop whining, lying faggot
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:06:19 PM No.1421631
>>1421628
>Jan 6th was mostly peaceful
Apparently all the judges who prosecuted violent retards for Jan 6th were liars
Oh shit, and all the judges who refused to listen to appeals
Wait, and all their lawyers who refused to appeal the violent crimes in the first place?
Apparently the whole judicial system is rigged. None of those charges were levied against the violent 2020 peaceful protests.

Or maybe you're just objectively wrong, and need mental help
Replies: >>1421633
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:07:29 PM No.1421632
>>1421628
Breaking into the capital building is more significant than anything that happened during the George Floyd protests.
Replies: >>1421634 >>1421722
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:07:51 PM No.1421633
>>1421631
Real quick, how many violent offenders were there at Jan 6th? Give me a specific - and accurate - number.
Replies: >>1421635
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:09:49 PM No.1421634
>>1421632
Yeah I know. Taking over parts of a city and declaring it autonomous from America - an act of sedition that nobody in media called sedition - meh who gives a fuck. Eh, two black teens got killed, whatever. People getting robbed and raped while the police are told to stay out, I mean what you gonna do? It is what it is.
Replies: >>1421636 >>1421658
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:10:00 PM No.1421635
>>1421633
why would we argue your argument for you, you monumental faggot
Replies: >>1421641
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:11:08 PM No.1421636
>>1421634
your script is so outdated it's sad
Replies: >>1421639
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:13:17 PM No.1421639
>>1421636
They're using up most of their mental bandwidth to try to figure out why pedophilia isn't geat again
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:23:58 PM No.1421641
>>1421635
It's okay, you don't know. Don't worry, I looked into it and it turns out most of the people there were peaceful.
Replies: >>1421642
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:26:00 PM No.1421642
>>1421641
you've shilled this topic countless times, idiot, there's nothing new to say that all of us aren't aware of, whether it's the truth or your favorite spin on it
Replies: >>1421644
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:36:48 PM No.1421644
>>1421642
You don't even know what percentage of those arrested at Jan 6th were violent crimes. I'll give you a hint: it's better than that "93% were peaceful" figure you love throwing out for BLM "protests".
Replies: >>1421646
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:39:30 PM No.1421646
>>1421644
don't you have a floor to shit on, worthless shill
Replies: >>1421657
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:59:13 PM No.1421657
>>1421646
Haven't you considered how unfair it is that MAGA gets called out for committing a violent riot, and leftists don't even have the courtesy to riot themselves so things are even?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:06:35 PM No.1421658
>>1421634
That's not what I said.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 8:20:50 AM No.1421721
>>1421628
Very good post.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 8:23:19 AM No.1421722
>>1421632
It's only more significant to you when it obstructs democrat authoritarianism.
Replies: >>1421739
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:16:40 PM No.1421739
>>1421722
As opposed to current Republican authoritarianism.
If there's nothing wrong with an authoritarian Trump being authoritarian against Democrats, then Republicans don't have the right to have wrong opinions about future Democrat administrations that are authoritarian against rightards. Their hypocrisy's showing if they disagree with the latter.