Gunmaker Sig Sauer is taking Washington’s police academy to court after officials banned its SIG P320 pistol over safety concerns.

Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission (WSCJTC) banned the pistol after investigating growing claims that the firearm has a troubling history of firing without a trigger pull.

In one case, Houston police officer Rick Fernandez, who is now suing Sig Sauer for $10 million, said he was shot in the leg by his holstered gun, a P320 handgun.

“The bullet from the subject handgun shot through Officer Fernandez’s right calf and lodged into his ankle,” the lawsuit stated. “But the subject handgun, at all times, remained holstered. He never pulled the trigger or otherwise handled the gun.”

Sig Sauer, an American company headquartered in New Hampshire, according to the lawsuit, is suing Washington’s academy to reverse its ban, claiming it’s unnecessary and not well grounded in fact or law. It also wants to block the executive director of the training commission from making public statements about the pistol outside the scope of her duties.

“Law enforcement departments throughout Washington State trust, rely on, and prefer the P320 as their service pistol of choice,” the lawsuit stated. “By banning the P320 for new law enforcement recruits, the WSCJTC is putting these men and women at a disadvantage when they enter the field and will be assigned the P320. The action also imposes negative financial impacts on all those law enforcement agencies that utilize the P320 and Sig Sauer. It further inappropriately and unjustifiably inflicts reputational and economic harms on Sig Sauer.”


>https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/gunmaker-sues-washingtons-police-academy-over-p320-pistol-ban/3PRTWPMBFNCJDA2GJE5I4QDPDU/

>>1422698 (OP)
This shit is fucking unreal to me. Imagine shipping a defective product, not just like, broken defective, like "dangerous and has killed at least one person" defective. And then when one of your clients decides to no longer use them, you fucking sue them to FORCE them to keep using (and thus buying) them under the logic that dropping it for being dangerous makes people think it's dangerous (which it is, this is legitimately proven repeatedly in test settings this pistol can and will go off if it's so much as brushed on the slide) and is thus damaging your brand.

In this case I'm a lot more willing to believe sig than some 70 iq pigs.

>cop fumbling for his gun while trying to turn off his body camera because he saw a 12 year old with a water gun and his murder instinct activated
>shoots himself in the ass because he forgot to put the safety on
>durrr da gun dun shot me!

>>1422701
Even the FBI report all but said that in the case they were examining, the cop dropped his keys into the trigger guard and set it off pulling them out.

>>1422705
Sounds to me like he was handling the gun then.

>>1422701
Explain this:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMQOtOQoPk&t=2075s&ab_channel=WyomingGunProject

>>1422698 (OP)
I'm waiting for that one fag to come back in here claiming a P320 has never gone off on it's own and demanding proof, only to dismiss every example given as user error, holster, etc.

Funny how no other gun company has this problem.

>>1422698 (OP)
It's crazy how it always seems to be cops having all of these discharges and it never happens to regular citizens. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that cops are retards and have less gun training than a regular carrying citizen

>>1422707
User error.

>>1422711
See >>1422707

And also: the reason it's usually cops is because it usually goes off because of being stored in a holster all day. Even licensed gun nuts in open carry states don't have their guns holstered on them their entire work day. Plus, civilian owners have less reason to note and sue than people who have to carry as part of their job and have no say in what brand they have on them.

>>1422710
What the fuck do you think the term Glock Leg came from?

>>1422700
That's how it is for the rich. You're not allowed to say no. Ever hear about those billionaires suing California farmers for not selling them their land? Same shit.

>>1422714
>Even licensed gun nuts in open carry states don't have their guns holstered on them their entire work day.

Seems to me a civilian would be MORE prone to accidental/negligent discharge as they're more prone to fucking around with the pistol. A cop sticks it in a holster in the morning and it stays there all day until after his shift, he isn't likely to be handling it in between.

>>1422725
The problem is the holster itself is the thing banging against the slide and causing it to go off. These aren't accidental discharges being caused by reckless handling, these are accidental discharges being caused by faulty design.

>>1422698 (OP)
>troubling history of firing without a trigger pull.
Perfect for pig plausible deniability

>>1422735
Cops are more like jackals

Damn. Imagine being the appeals court forced to decide between rewarding cops and rewarding gunmakers. Why would you subject someone to that?

>>1422735
Look I'm not a fan of cops either but there is documented evidence these things go off while in holster or when dropped. There's a whole video in this thread of someone forcing the trigger into a position where it can't fire and demonstrating the gun can and will go off if the slide is touched in the wrong spot. The P320 is a defective and dangerous product and there should be a recall; instead they're trying to force people to keep using it anyways.

Imagine if a car company released a car that has a proven history of suddenly veering uncontrollably to the right, and then when a company that bought a fleet of them announced they were going to stop buying and using them because of it, the manufacturer sued that this was damaging to their brand and they have to keep using it no matter how many accidents it causes. That's what Sig Saucer is doing right now.

>>1422747
Might be the first time a 4chan post ever changed my mind about something. Yeah you're probably right, but the pigs could also have been mishandling the thing.

>>1422714
I have my gun in a holster all day long and I've never once had an ND and I've been carrying daily for 17 years

>>1422725
Cops are actually less good at handling weapons by basically every metric imaginable. It's just a job to them, so they're less accurate and more prone to mistakes than enthusiasts.

>>1422811
Do you own a SIG P320? If you've been using the same gun for that whole time it can't be since it released in 2014.

The issue is entirely with the specific model of gun. This isn't really in question considering you have multiple people doing repeated experiments and finding, yes, the gun can go off without the trigger being pulled.

>>1422714
>Even licensed gun nuts in open carry states don't have their guns holstered on them their entire work day.
>licensed
>gun nuts
>in open carry states
A) Good job showing your bias.
and
B) How the fuck do you know?

>>1422698 (OP)
>ICE has discontinued the use of the Sig Sauer P320 as its service handgun due to safety concerns, particularly regarding unintentional discharges.
Just when I thought I couldn't love ICE more right now, they do this.

>>1422832
Because even people who worship the second amendment like a god have periods of their day where they don't have a gun on them. Maybe not far from them, but they do take off holsters every once and a while.

>>1422836
>unintentional discharges
It sounds more like they, and Trump, have been intentionally discharging into kids instead >>1422770
Can't we just have them keep the guns that make them shoot themselves? I'm fine with pedophiles shooting themselves.

>>1422837
>but they do take off holsters every once and a while.
So do cops. You think they wear them to bed when they're off-duty? By the way I'm one of those "gun nuts" that carries while I'm at work.

>>1422848
I don't think carrying an airsoft gun counts.

>>1422848
Well, do you carry a gun with a provable defect/design flaw that makes it go off without the trigger being pulled upon pressure being applied to the rack? Because that also helps.

It's incredible how many people, Sig Saucer themselves included, are pretending there isn't heaps upon heaps of replicable experiments and demonstrations showing yes, the P320 can in fact go off without the trigger being pulled.

>>1422857
>Well, do you carry a gun with a provable defect/design
No, and I'm not defending Sig. I'm arguing against that other Anon who thinks this only applies to cops (as if civilians haven't also had problems with the gun), trying to excuse it as cops carry more so they're more likely to have problems.

I remember seeing a video of someone who died while resisting arrest because a gun in it’s holster went off. And then the officers doing the arrest panicked and put him down thinking he had a gun at the time. He didn’t.

>>1422897
Firing off a shot in the wrong place reminds me of another story going around these boards, of Trump fucking young girls and trying to normalize pedophilia to defend himself.

>>1422864
I mean it's more correcting that cops are more likely to report it because a. they have to carry as part of their job, and b. they have their guns on them in holster (and thus liable to go off) more often then most gun owners do.

>>1422918
Its pretty obvious that having more chances for something to happen means it'll happen more often.

Like how Trump fucked more kids than most pedophiles because he ran a teen beauty pageant and hung out with a notorious pedophile raping kids that looked like his daughter.

>>1422698 (OP)
H&K P7. Problem solved.

>>1422698 (OP)
The Right told me that it's not guns that kill people and we need to stop always blaming them, so this story in reality is a nothingburger.

>>1422700
>killed at least one
The Air Force guy? Did they ever release what, exactly happened? I doubt it just went off by itself, like gun control advocates think guns do.

>>1423070
>I doubt it just went off by itself
This gun actually does go off by itself. Or at least, without a trigger pull. Shit hasn't just failed drop tests; it's failed tests of just brushing against the rack.

>>1423070
The Air Force hasn't released what happened exactly yet, beyond he set his pistol down on the desk and it went off. However, there have been multiple gun youtubers that have demonstrated the pistol going off just by shifting the slide left and right. So if he set it down on the table and the slide shifted a bit from pressure, that's probably what did it.

>>1423070
I saw a YouTube video where the guy slightly depressed the trigger, then after wiggling the slide the gun fired.

>>1422811
Bullshit. You don't need to lie anon, NDs are not something to be ashamed about. Every true gun owner has had at least a couple of negligent discharges. I've had several myself.

First time
>At friends apartment at college. Just bought my first pistol from a gun show (I was 18)
>Drinking with friends
>Show them my new Jericho
>Try to manually decock
>Thumb slips on hammer, ND into celling

Second time
>At range
>Showing friend pistol
>Point at ground show him how to wrack and pull the trigger.
>Forgot loaded mag in
>Shoot between his feet

Third time
>At parents house.
>Just bought a sig from a guy
>Try swapping slides with another sig I had
>Forgot the other sig slide was chambered.
>Pull trigger
>Shoot parents wall

Fourth time
>At my new house
>Playing with a friend's 5.56 AK
>Release bolt
>Slam fires round into ground

Fifth time
>Showing a friend how to use it
>No idea how but a round got chambered
>Show him how the trigger works,
>Pull trigger
>Shoots round into floor in the same place as before

Sixth time
>Thought maybe the house was haunted
>Grab a sig
>Physically clear it, (racked the slide 3 times) with no magazine in
>pull trigger at the same hole
>Round goes off

Seventh time
>Friend brings over a used Glock wants me to look over it
>I grab it and pull the trigger without clearing it
>Didn't even realize the thing was loaded.

Eighth time
>Making a movie with the lads
>A bunch of jerks I hired keep making a big deal about "MUH GUN SAFETY!" and quit
>hire some 5/10 Instagram thot
>Instagram thot tells me the gun is clear
>point it at the camerawoman
>pull trigger
>round goes off

Overall you shouldn't feel too bad about NDs. It's part of owning guns, and you should get used to them

>>1423212
at what point does a responsible gun owner with a couple ND's become a fat retard with 8? unless this is all satire, in which case, carry on