I need to know who was the bigger retard in this situation. I'm red car
>turning left on yellow
>Pedestrian to the left of me
>black car turning right
The black car was the last car in their group so I pulled out to the star in preparation to turn after they turned. The pedestrians started walking across and when the black car got to the turn they stopped completely (the X). The pedestrian location is dead accurate to where they were at the time the black car stopped. So now I'm in a situation where the next group of cars is coming in and I'm in T-bone position, the black car has the right of way, and the pedestrians are not even to the halfway point of the cross walk. I obviously floor it rather than waiting to get smashed and as im turning the black car guy raises his hands at me or something.

I understand my first mistake was pulling out too far, but the pedestrians had started walking right as I pulled out (and I dont even know what the pedestrian signal was I was too busy to look). I know pedestrians always have the right of way no matter what, but in a situation like this where both cars have more than enough time to go before they even hit the halfway mark I dont see the big deal in going. So who fucked up more here?

>>28453671 (OP)
The retard was the person designing this shitheap of an intersection

>>28453671 (OP)
Well you were turning onto a 2 lane road.
Its illegal for the black car to enter the left lane or for you to enter the right lane for 100 feet within the intersection. So the black car has nothing to do with your route- it was between you and the pedestrian.

Imagine panicking like a woman. Could have just pulled near the crosswalk, let man walk as his right, then just go.

Pedestrian walk light should not be green in that instance.

>>28453702
Of course it is

>>28453703
They don't get the green walk signal if OP's lane is yield on green.

>>28453707
But they do. Op must yield to him. Op does not need yield to black car as both get their own lanes.

>>28453714
Intersections like that are usually protected turns with green left arrows, but allow left turns on yield also. Those crosswalks also have push buttons for the pedestrian crosswalk signals. They never allow pedestrians green signal while either the protected turn is active or the same direction traffic is left turn on yield.

not reading all that lmao

>>28453671 (OP)
Should've just taken the left before stopping in the middle of the intersection since you cut off the pedestrian anyway

>>28453714
the car making a right turn has the right of way over an unprotected left turn. the car making an unprotected left must yield in any situation. OP went full retard.

>>28453734
Yep, everyone is on red when the peds are allowed to move.

>>28453671 (OP)

Black car is supposed to stop on yellow, but they have right of way. Pedestrian has right of way above everyone, even when they are being a nigger and walking into traffic. You have right of way over people who just got the green light, they can't enter the intersection until it is clear no matter how mad it makes them. While you may have avoided a potential collision, legally it is your job to wait until the pedestrian and black car have gone.

>>28453763
>if it safe to do so.
It's in all the rules and means it's your fault if things go badly.

you were
thats a gigantic turn for you to run it at a yellow

ok just to be more clear I (the red car) had a blinking yellow arrow, while my directions through lights were green. It was not a yellow about to change to red. I assume the the black car had a normal green light. I have no idea what the pedestrian signal was

>>28453800
That makes no fucking sense, a blinking arrow is an advance turn signal and no one in the oncoming lane should have a green to go. Do you even have a license?

If you have an advance turn then it's pedestrian, then you and then the black car.

>>28453938
maybe not blinking whatever all I mean is my yellow arrow wasn't transitioning to red it was just a normal yield arrow while the rest of the lights for my direction were green. I know for a fact I yield to the black car turning right. But the black car was yielding to pedestrians who were 30 yards away from him which made my position very awkward and dangerous

>>28453671 (OP)
Pedestrians are not allowed to cross on a left turn and need to wait on their own light. You are both retarded and need to retake the test.

>>28453949
States that do do that use two green lights instead of some yellow. Yellow is yellow and that yellow means your turn is ending. Retake your license test.

>>28453671 (OP)
Imagine needing to ask /o/ how to do something as basic as navigate a left turn in an intersection.

>>28453671 (OP)
it was a shitty situation all around, and it happens. same shit would have happened to other drivers if the pedestrian decided to cross just before the cross-traffic got a green light. you wait for the person to finish walking and then you go. its uncomfortable and awkward, but then it passes.

>I need to know who was the bigger retard in this situation.
you are. based on what you're saying, you had an advance turn signal. you could have just gone since there was ample space to clear the pedestrian, and the black car was either waiting to see if you were a nog that jumps lanes or had a no right on red or some shit, but is otherwise irrelevant in this equation

>>28453949
As others have said, the black car doesn't factor into it at all because you both have your own lanes to turn into.
And depending on which state you are in, you might not have needed to yield at all to the pedestrian in the first place since they are not yet in the half of the road you are turning onto.
Instead of starting the turn, you should have pulled out straight and sat in the middle of the intersection so there was no chance of interfering with oncoming traffic and only then make your turn once it was safe.
>>28453965
You're an idiot. Plenty of states have flashing yellow turns while traffic driving straight is green. It just means yield to oncoming traffic and pedestrians.
https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/signals/flashingyellowarrow.html

>>28453734
>>28453756
straight up false
yeah, SOME are like that (usually in foot traffic heavy areas) but plenty allow pedestrians to cross while left turn is on yield

>>28455164
>As others have said, the black car doesn't factor into it at all because you both have your own lanes to turn into.
This is technically true but it follows the same concept as zipper merging, meaning no one fucking does it. You can't be sure the other driver actually knows this and will follow it. I make this turn everyday and people just go into what lane they feel like. So the black car does factor in because of unpredictability.
>you might not have needed to yield at all to the pedestrian in the first place since they are not yet in the half of the road you are turning onto
I wasn't planning on yielding to the pedestrians given how far away they were. Unless there are some weird light changes I'm not aware of right when they press the button, the black car decided to yield to the pedestrians since I'm assuming he had a normal green for his right.
>Instead of starting the turn, you should have pulled out straight
I think this is what I should have done. I was just assuming the black car would go so I moved out so far I would get hit by the next group of approaching cars. Basically the black car yielding with such a huge distance between the pedestrians completely fucked me because I already moved to far into oncoming traffic. Even after reading the thread I still think the black car was the bigger fucking retard assuming he had a green light and the pedestrians were illegally crossing.

This is the way my light is set up by the way and it was in fact blinking.

>>28455565
>This is technically true but it follows the same concept as zipper merging, meaning no one fucking does it
Okay, so be cautious but you still have the right of way into that lane. If someone else hits you because they're a stupid fucktard, it's not on you. You aren't some poor with shitty insurance are you?
>I was just assuming the black car would go
The only thing you should assume is that everyone else on the road is a drooling retard.
>Basically the black car yielding with such a huge distance between the pedestrians completely fucked me
It shouldn't have. You've got to look and think ahead a little bit when driving. When you pull out to the middle of the intersection, you're clearing the crosswalk, then you're clearing oncoming traffic, that's it. Then you make your turn. You've done everything you're supposed to do. Hesitating or panicking because the other fucktards on the road are doing dumb shit is how you end up making bad decisions that put you at fault.

>>28453671 (OP)
Why do retards even pull forward into intersections?
Makes zero sense.
It doesn't help you make the turn.
It doesn't make anything faster.
It just puts you in a shit position.

>>28455596
if the light turns red while there's still oncoming traffic you can be the guy that steals a base

>>28455602
And risk getting rammed by a karen with a 9,000lb hummer EV?
Or hit by some Shitskin Uber driver?
All to save 45 seconds on a stop?

Cops will also ticket you for that as well.
My brother for one after getting stuck in a intersection at a red.

>>28455596
If you live anywhere with unprotected left turns and heavier traffic, it is basically impossible to make a left turn if you don't pull forward into the intersection and proceed once the oncoming light turns red. It's legal in most states in the US as far as I know.

OP's problem was that they started turning left too early and blocked oncoming traffic. Can't cut the corner.

>>28455607
It's legal.
>Cops will also ticket you for that as well.
>My brother for one after getting stuck in a intersection at a red
Your brother got a ticket for getting stuck in an intersection. If you aren't a retard and make sure you have space to turn into before pulling into the intersection, it's legal.

>>28455622
If you drive up into an intersection to make a unprotected turn, you can get a ticket if you get stuck there.
There's no guarantee you can make it through.
If you try to rush out after the light turns red, that's red light ticket.

>>28455902
>There's no guarantee you can make it through
Of course there is. Turn your head and look to see if there's room in the lane you're turning into.
>>28455902
>If you try to rush out after the light turns red, that's red light ticket.
It's not. You're only running a red light if you enter the intersection after the light turns red. If you're all ready in the intersection, you're safe.

You bus riders are making this all way too complicated. It's like half of you have never driven a car before.

>>28453671 (OP)
If the signal went to put you in t bone position the pedestrians likely began long after the countdown was underway.

>>28453671 (OP)
Pedestrian shouldn't be in the crosswalk if the light is yellow, they didn't follow their signal. For the turning cars, the one turning right has the "right of way," left should wait in the intersection for it to complete its turn then make the left turn, even if the light has turned red. You both technically have your own lanes and are supposed to turn into the closest available lane, so technically you could both turn at the same time but it's dangerous to get that close in case someone goes over the line and it caused a collision. I would wait for the pedestrian, wait for the black car, and honk in the pedestrians ears as I drive by him closely for being an asshole and holding everyone up.

>t. Cop

I've seen so many bad accidents where a dumbass didn't realize you can stay in the intersection and complete your turn after the light is red. This is per Arizona law but vehicle codes are almost uniform across the country, some even copied and pasted with little things added here and there. Also stop waiting for pedestrians to fully clear the crosswalk, here the law says you can turn so long as they arent past the yellow center line yet, or if they're already past it. Obviously don't do that if theyre moving fast towards the other side on a bike. But some states are less reasonable and say you have to wait the whole time until they're back on the curb, retarded.

Who cares? Nobody died. Don't sweat it.

>>28453671 (OP)
You were not in danger of being t-boned. Oncoming traffic would have seen you and not mindlessly accelerated into you. If they were waiting on the left side in the image they would have hit the pedestrian. Right turn car should have yielded to you considering the timing of the light. Also get some friends and don’t hurry home to tell anon’s your story

>>28455164
>Plenty of states
>mn
lol, I was going to say the same thing, but my only experience is with my home state (MN)

A truck honked at me just a few minutes ago because I stopped near a crosswalk to make sure that the pedestrian who was near it wanted to cross or not. It's always the pick-up truck drivers who do this shit.

>>28456080
>where a dumbass didn't realize you can stay in the intersection and complete your turn after the light is red
wish more people knew this where i live. would cut down a bit on congestion. and also stop those crashes that happen because an oncoming car tries to beat the red.

>>28453695
Yes, I see this a lot with people turning. You must maintain your lane when turning. So the red and black car can turn at the same time.

>>28453763
No yellow wasn't supposed to enter the intersection unless he can get all the way through it without stopping & green light has right of way because OP wasn't supposed to be there

>>28453949
Yellow means fucking yield ie dont go into the fucking intersection unless it's clear of cars and pedestrians. You fucked up

>>28455909
Lurk more.
maybe you can replay properly after 6 months

>>28456241
>replay properly
Maybe you'll be able to spell properly after a thousand years, retard

>>28456080
Even Cali says you can pass behind peds. What ever state says you gotta wait the whole time probably doesn't have a nigger population.

>>28458719
washington state requires one lane of separation between vehicles and pedestrians

>>28453671 (OP)
>I need to know who was the bigger retard in this situation. I'm red car
You.
> so I pulled out to the star in preparation to turn after they turned
You should never do this unless you are about to make the turn. As in immediately. You basically blocked the intersection doing this which is illegal. Also you have a yellow which mean yield. You can't pull out and block an intersection like that for a yield.

>>28453671 (OP)
you are the fucking faggot for giving a shit about a pedestrian kek

>>28456080
OP said elsewhere it was a blinking yellow. Ped signals are allowed green in that case.

>>28458764
just point out that
>Also you have a yellow which mean yield
has different meanings in different states, sadly. in my state, theres a dedicated turn lane i use every day that will never, ever go green. ever. it only ever flashes yellow for "yield to incoming traffic". your supposed to go when its clear. it will never go green. if the car in front of you doesnt know this, and has an out of state license plate, you might be in for a wait. luckily ive never had put my parking brake on and get out and explain to the driver in front of me, they generally start stressing/panicing enough to "take the risk of running the yellow" thats actually totally legal because traffics reallllly building up behind them now lol

>>28459093
AND that shit can have a green for peds going at the same time. its such a shit intersection.

>>28453671 (OP)
You have to yield to pedestrians.
You're not supposed to proceed if you will be within one lane of intersection with a pedestrian in the crossing path.

>>28453671 (OP)
>>turning left on yellow
>>Pedestrian to the left of me
This means the pedestrian started crossing when they were not allowed to.
If the pedestrian was already crossing before you entered the intersection, then you should not enter the intersection.
If the positions and scale are accurate, there is no reason the black car should have stopped so early anyway.
Is this the exact intersection?

>>28456140
yes because there weren't pedestrians in your FOV and you should never drive again

>>28453671 (OP)
If you didnt have a green turn arrow the black car had right of way. If you didnt have reasonable safe time to turn before getting too close to the pedestrian they also had right of way. If the black car had right of way but was yielding to a pedestrian who was still far away for no reason and you took the turn, also assuming you didnt endanger the pedestrian, no harm no foul.

>>28453676
Agreed. I hate having to stop in the middle of the intersection when making a left turn.

>>28453671 (OP)

>I obviously floor it rather than waiting to get smashed
Why are you worried about getting smashed?
If you're in middle of the road waiting for the walkie to cross, the cross traffic is going to have to wait for you to clear the lane.

I would have waited because, not because I was waiting for the ped to cross, but because I can't predict with 100% accuracy that the black car wouldn't decide to turn into the outside lane and hit me.(Basically I wouldn't turn left because of drivers like you)

>I dont even know what the pedestrian signal was I was too busy to look
Pedestrian lights generally match with the traffic's lights. If you had solid green, the ped would have a crossing light. It would have a stop light if you had a left arrow green.

You sound like you're a pretty new driver as all these things are stuff you get ironed out as you get more experience.

>>28453695
That's true that you turn into the first available lane. But I don't trust drivers to do that. I would rather inconvenience myself than get into a fender bender because an uninsured Somali immigrant wasn't aware of that rule.

>>28453756
Wha?
Where do you live where every light is red to let a ped cross?
This sounds like something they'd do in Seattle.

>>28453671 (OP)
It is legal to pull into the intersection to get ready to turn left.
If the light turns red you can stay in the intersection until it is safe to turn left.
i.e. if half a dozen retards run the red and keep driving or an old grandma is slow crossing the intersection, you can stay in middle of the intersection. You're obligated to take the left turn as soon as it's safe.
The cross traffic is obligated to wait for you to clear the intersection before they go and the green light doesn't give them the right of way to just t-bone you cuz they were bored.

>>28462873
t. pickup driver

>>28455565
Holy fuck you are dense. Did somebody (your mom) hit you in the fucking brain as a toddler

>>28455596
where I live, it's correct and legal to pull into the intersection when preparing for a left hand turn at a lighted intersection, and it's legal to make said left turn on red if you're already in the box. it's illegal to enter the intersection on a red (obviously), therefore anyone with a few brain cells to rub together will prep for their turn. no one is turning *into* oncoming in advance, and no one at a full stop at the perpendicular intersection is going to bowl you over if you make the turn late

if you actually have a license, which I doubt, please exchange it at your nearest bus station